James Lindsday's reminder that the Alinsky playbook says to accuse your enemies of that which you intend to do is so useful. I believe it is possible to win the entire larger debate by using exclusively their words, side by side with a record of their actions, and then do a fill-in-the-blank for what they have planned, based on what else they are saying.
it's not even clear to me that you need to teach people to do this. i suspect their groupthink, isolation, and victim mentality do it for them. it's all projection as a form of psychological self-defense/self-preservation.
El Gato, you are correct in that Cluster-B personalities do not require teaching of these tactics. They have an innate sense of them, as if reading internally from a manual.
It is their followers who require the written manual.
Goebbels was not the first to put that in writing. You might look at Machiavelli. And many others along the way simply passed this on by word of mouth.
Karen Mitchell, PhD and Harrison Koehli have written a new version. Inspired by Polish Psychiatrist Andrew Lobaczewski, who realized what was actually going on during his time living in Poland under both Nazism and then Communism.
James Lindsay and Harrison Koehli. I give them a gold star each. I have been in this field myself for a long time. Well before anyone else paid the least attention. It became a thing to the general public only as of the COVID Mania years. Whereas the big thinkers in the field have been publishing on these ideas since immediately post-war in the 1940s.
Heck, Gustave Le Bon even published "The Crowd" in 1895. About the phenomenon Mattias Desmet took to podcasts in 2021, calling Mass Formation.
If you want to look at the Psychological study of this, it goes back to Ancient Greece.
The Cult of Dionysus was found in versions in both ancient Greece and ancient Rome. I would consider it to have been a secret psychopathic society, Psychopaths being the most severe of the Cluster-B disorders, beyond Narcissism.
This morning I heard a speculation that when Trump wins the election they will 25th amendment Biden and put in Harris for the final months and she will use executive orders to chaos everything they can. = because Trump stole all the oreos.
I haven’t heard this speculation yet these were my exact thoughts not too long ago. Trump may (and that’s a big “If”) be allowed to win but there’s an eternity of time, in government terms, between Election Day and Inauguration Day. So much chaos to be wrought and so much time!
What we call the Left are the Dark Personalities and their followers. This is a Psychological concept before it is political. It is called Totalitarianism when in the political spectrum, (Pathocracies).
It is known as the Cluster-B/Psychopathic spectrum when viewed as a Psychological concept.
These overlap. Therefore, the best material is found in both aspects of the field.
Milton in "Paradise Lost" had Satan saying those words.
There is wisdom in authentic literature. I would think that astute individuals through the ages saw some of these concepts at play, without having graduate Psychology degrees or even being a Milton. They simply kept their eyes and minds open.
a famous psychologist did say that psychology, as a science, is an absolute fraud. Having a "degree" in it only lets you join a credentialed class. That's it. It does not take a degree to understand human nature. Once you have read modern psychiatric studies on the topic, then go back and re-read the classics, Milton, the Bible, the Greeks, and even political treatises from de Tocqueville to the Federalist Papers (remember, my handle is "Publius") you will see that those from the past knew what they were talking about, from a philosophical standpoint. It is very relevant to today. THat is why they used to teach this stuff in college.
I say this as someone who has personally experienced totalitarianism, who has read many of the the classics, and who also holds several degrees in relevant cross-disciplines.
Alinsky was brilliant. Too bad he was also a twisted, leftist sociopath. Oh, well. His tactics work just as well for us as for them. I especially enjoy the mocking part.
I read it back in my teens. After its heyday with radical leftists. Because I had a sense even then of what it was. And I was never a leftist. I have recommended it a thousand times since, as a source of enemy tactics. But there were mainly big yawns in return.
People are only beginning to catch on to these ideas now, for the most part. Sixty years or more after they started circulating through the leftwing.
Their favorite seems to be Rule 5, Ridacule. That one enables any moron to participate; all you need do is make fun of people, and they get their "Look, Mommy, I will be politicking, moment!"
If you thought the Alinsky playbook was interesting (I read it as a teen who recognized totalitarianism when I encountered it)..... you might want to read the classic Andrew Lobaczewski book, "Political Ponerology".
If these ideas have not crossed your path before, you may find it mind-blowing!
And then the Harrison Koehli Substack picks up where Lobaczewski left off. Very good stuff.
I use that rules for radicals example all the time. It is the fundamental principle of the democrats since I was old enough to watch politics with some understanding of what goes on.
a narcissists needs outside engagement (supply) to validate their existence because they have no freudian EGO, and therefore have no sense of self. The can only exist when others respond to them, so as to confirm their "false" ego that they have manufactured.
To greyrock is to not engage with them. You are no longer "supply" to them.
Or, if Maria does a quick Google search, she will find something like this:
"The grey rock method is where you deliberately act unresponsive or unengaged so that an abusive person will lose interest in you.
Abusive people thrive on emotions and drama. When you act indifferent and don’t show your emotions, they may lose interest and stop bothering you. This is known as “grey rocking.”
Using the grey rock method might look like avoiding eye contact, giving short answers, and focusing on other things when talking with someone who’s using abuse tactics."
One thing to remember when Grey-rocking (hadn't heard that term for it, good to have a name for the technique) is that some people with the personality disroders most commonly associated with narcissism in some form, may become hostile, even outright violent, without what a sane/normal person would call provocation, much less cause.
Stepping closer, screaming spittle in your face, shoving, pushing, slapping (if it's a woman) or outright trying to knock you down if it's a man.
Be aware that this may happen, and be aware of it in advance. Make sure you are not alone with the narcissist and its co-dependents if confronting or challenging it.
Here is an example of an enraged Narcissist knocking down a man when the Narcissist is crossed. In this case it was a British Labour MP who considered himself crossed when a constituent asked him a question he did not like.
I have noted that Narcissists when crossed often try to push their opponents down to the ground.
Telegraph (UK): ‘You’ll never threaten me ever again’: Labour MP in altercation with constituent
Mike Amesbury, MP for Runcorn and Helsby, filmed apparently confronting a man lying on the pavement"
Been there, seen that. I agree that they tend to go ballistic if they are challenged. When it gets really bad, it is known as Narcissistic Collapse, during which they seem demon-possessed. And highly vindictive that you crossed them, even very slightly.
GREYROCK is different. GREYROCK means simply ignoring them. Refusing to engage. It does not refer to crossing or challenging them. Quite the opposite. It means refusing to join their dark games. NOT partaking of their drama. This way, you do not feed the beast. Your negative emotions give them power, So refrain from displaying these.
I learned to do this, on my own, before it was written about, and became in vogue. It seemed like a natural response to a dis-regulated tormentor. By dismissing them, and not providing them “supply” (which is what they need to validate their false ego) you essentially are confirming to them that they are NOTHING and they move on to another source of “supply”, their “next victim” .
I use other methods. In high school my parents gave that advice "if you ignore the bully they will go away." And yet for many a bully (which may not be a narcissist) will simply think that silence gives consent.
I do two things. Call ad hominem out for what it is, to which case they will tell me I don't know what it is (gaslighting.) They also get annoyed when I point it out "hey that's ad hominem, more ad hominem, that's ad hominem and a side of erroneous facts"
And then I will illustrate for them how to insult someone when I began the practice of insulting/ridiculing myself. Who knows better my faults (both perceived and observed by others) than me? This was done quite eloquently in the movie "Roxanne" with Steve Martin when he demonstrated to the "prophets of the obvious" just how much better he was at effacing his own nose than those around him.
Another good approach, would be to ask questions to cause their minds to explode with cognitive dissonance…its like putting salt into a wound. Example "does that make you feel better? Does acting in the way you are to me make you feel tough? Are you doing these things to cover up some deep seated insecurity you have? You know, normal, well adjusted people would not do that, do you really think this normal?”
And so on. Their minds become frozen with narcissistic injury.
Joe Rogan - JOE ROGAN! - conducted better interviews with Trump and Vance than the entirety of the corporate press has managed in the last 10 years (of course they never tried.) And this took some skill, especially where Trump is concerned... A few times, Rogan had to reign him in and redirect the conversation with some energy, which he managed just fine.
The two interviews were calm, entertaining, long-form discussions that revealed the two men for who they are, on a number of subjects. They were also revealed as authentic, something no one can say about Kamala and the Dems.
Which is of course also why neither Tim or Kamala were allowed to go on Rogan by their handlers. Neither has the intellectual capacity to present their phony-ness as authentic without a script, a teleprompter and a sycophant for an interviewer for even a minute.
and, as a reminder, no phycologist can diagnose a person under the age of 18 with Narcissistic personality disorder, well, because, all infants (up until they develop emotional maturity, which for some never happens) are narcissists.
Well...not all infants would behave in the destructive manner of an adult Narcissist.
Many are cowed into obedience towards their Attachment figure. And if that Attachment figure is a Cluster-B Personality, their children become fawning serfs in one way or another.
It's complex in several ways, but simple in others.
some infants are "pre-disposed" to not be easily soothed (some think that it relates to genetics and/or brains structure). There is re-search that suggests that these infants are more inclined to develop personality disorders in adulthood. But all infants are narcissistic (lowercase n) until they successfully individuate from their primary caregiver (usually mom) and ultimately realize that they are, in fact, a separate entity from the mother. The child who successfully does this, develops their own "person" a freudian Ego, and with appropriate support, becomes well adjusted and normal. The child that does not, and is predisposed to be difficult, and who has a parent with a personality disorder, will in all likelyhood be so afflicted in the future.
It is VERY complex, and frankly no one really knows the answer, if the answer is even knowable.
We have learned that whether we understand the causes or not, therapy for unresolved trauma/PTSD can make a positive difference. It can even be self-taught and done without a therapist. Some people stumble on this themselves.
the type of trauma/ptsd that causes personality disorders generally occur in childhood and are considered by some "doctors" as a "complex ptsd". It is not well known and is a new area of study. Therapy, unfortunately, is usually ineffective on narcissists and psychopaths, but shows promise with borderlines and histrionics. For many, knowledge, is therapy.
Doing the work on yourself can be effective, whether you are the Cluster-B Personality, or the chronic target.
For those seeking self-therapy guidance, I would recommend "Narcissistic Abuse" by Melanie Tonia Evans, "Re-regulated" by Anna Runkle, "Radical Forgiveness" by Colin Tipping, "Focusing" by Eugene Gendlin, and "Man's Search for Meaning" by Viktor Frankl.
True. And with any luck all the psych majors in college these days might help themselves out of the mess their heads are in. Or life will teach them the hard way.
The libs have historically accused conservatives of what they themselves do, and it amazes me how well they internally manage the contradiction. Split consciousness? Self-righteous lying (for the good of the country)? Good ‘ol denial and projection? Deep psychopathology? All of the above????
I fear the Bolsheviks way more than the nazis. It’s the Bolsheviks who are getting transvestite story hour into your child’s classroom, doling out cross sex hormones and mutilating kids. They are also the ones who are replacing you with brown third worlders in your own country. The nazis would never let any of that happen. The nazis were the ones burning down the transgender clinics in the 1930’s and burning “Margret has a big dick” books.
Well, the thing is this. Socialism, whether it be fascist or communist in flavor, is nothing more than a sales pitch to concentrate power in the hands of one or more sociopaths. And while it's true that Communism gave us Critical Theory and thus our current woke lunatic frenzy, it is also true that the sociopath in power decides whether or not Critical Theory will be applied to destroy and disunify society. So in the end, the issue is (and has always been) Liberty vs Tyranny, Good vs Evil.
Man, they pulled exactly the same level and strategy of lie with those ridiculous election results in 2020. And not only got away with it, but used the protest to fake a violent episode with FBI agents in the Capitol and beat democracy over the head with that every day since.
Why <wouldn’t> they just wait for the counts, then miraculously add however many million votes they need? They’ve already done it, and conservative America sat still for the steal.
I wish that his lies were as innocuous as "who ate the oreos?" His lies were more about "the immigrants ate their pets", much more damaging than oreos!
Like many outrageous stories they are a sort of telephone game. Since there was in fact a black though American woman in Canton OH arrested for killing and eating a cat right out on the sidewalk.
Thanks for mentioning her. But the more important thing is this. The long-term residents of Springfield have effectively been silenced because they have learned that their government officials (both local and state) DO NOT HAVE THEIR INTERESTS AT HEART. Most people just want to live their lives in peace. Go against the approved narrative and trouble ensues, and you will not win. Be silent and you'll avoid trouble.
Trump's great and persistent failure is to not be rigorously accurate. His fabulisms grown from little seeds of truth make it easy to dismiss and mock him.
He's a showman, not a leader. But lousy vessel that he is, he's all we got right now in this moment of time and let's hope for justice for all of us, sooner rather than later.
There's hardly a politician out there who's rigorously accurate. The only difference is the media highlights everything Trump exaggerates or lies about, while ignoring all the whoppers coming from Democrat politicians.
That is not the point. When Trump says truly idiotic things he loses independent voters who desperately want to be able to vote for him without feeling like idiots themselves.
Me, this cycle, I'm whoring out my integrity for the sake of the nation and that even despite a gag reflex that's an environmental hazard. But many will not be so noble.
Did they call it an epidemic? I will have to look. However, I do believe there were other complaints of missing cats, although they would probably be difficult to find at this point
What baffles me is that it's as if the 'covid' thing never happened and legions of people are pretending that scores of people weren't murdered by medical malpractice, people's rights and freedoms weren't violated, informed consent was honored, government didn't collude with social media companies and big pharma to censor dissenting views and they didn't bully and coerce people to take unnecessary and unsafe medical treatments, lest they lose their jobs etc.
Nah, it's back to pre-covid "DJT is Hitler."
This has nothing to do with being pro-Trump (which is irrelevant), it's about the lack of a reflection and assessment of who exactly who implemented that stuff. If the Trump admin had coerced transfection etc.., I would have felt the same way. Now, people could be fine with what was done, in which case that's admittance that they are authoritarian but then they're in no position to lecture on Trump's authoritarianism. It's all so f#$king pathetic.
James Lindsday's reminder that the Alinsky playbook says to accuse your enemies of that which you intend to do is so useful. I believe it is possible to win the entire larger debate by using exclusively their words, side by side with a record of their actions, and then do a fill-in-the-blank for what they have planned, based on what else they are saying.
alinsky stole that from goebbels.
it's a tradition with a truly unpleasant history.
it's not even clear to me that you need to teach people to do this. i suspect their groupthink, isolation, and victim mentality do it for them. it's all projection as a form of psychological self-defense/self-preservation.
El Gato, you are correct in that Cluster-B personalities do not require teaching of these tactics. They have an innate sense of them, as if reading internally from a manual.
It is their followers who require the written manual.
Goebbels was not the first to put that in writing. You might look at Machiavelli. And many others along the way simply passed this on by word of mouth.
Karen Mitchell, PhD and Harrison Koehli have written a new version. Inspired by Polish Psychiatrist Andrew Lobaczewski, who realized what was actually going on during his time living in Poland under both Nazism and then Communism.
"I believe it is possible to win the entire larger debate by using exclusively their words, side by side with a record of their actions"
All Hail Elon!
James Lindsay should be consulted by the Trump team as he knows the Left’s playbook better than anyone and can predict their moves 10 steps ahead.
James Lindsay and Harrison Koehli. I give them a gold star each. I have been in this field myself for a long time. Well before anyone else paid the least attention. It became a thing to the general public only as of the COVID Mania years. Whereas the big thinkers in the field have been publishing on these ideas since immediately post-war in the 1940s.
Heck, Gustave Le Bon even published "The Crowd" in 1895. About the phenomenon Mattias Desmet took to podcasts in 2021, calling Mass Formation.
If you want to look at the Psychological study of this, it goes back to Ancient Greece.
Are you referring to the Cult of Dionysus?
The Cult of Dionysus was found in versions in both ancient Greece and ancient Rome. I would consider it to have been a secret psychopathic society, Psychopaths being the most severe of the Cluster-B disorders, beyond Narcissism.
A Bacchanalia for the Rest of Us!
This morning I heard a speculation that when Trump wins the election they will 25th amendment Biden and put in Harris for the final months and she will use executive orders to chaos everything they can. = because Trump stole all the oreos.
For what it's Worth:
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life, it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the man come and take you away
I haven’t heard this speculation yet these were my exact thoughts not too long ago. Trump may (and that’s a big “If”) be allowed to win but there’s an eternity of time, in government terms, between Election Day and Inauguration Day. So much chaos to be wrought and so much time!
Buffalo Springfield! :)
Fun Fact: Steven Stills and Neil Young met when they were in a car accident with one another.
Probably not so fun for them. But the result was pretty good. Was one of them driving a Nash?
One of my favorite songs!
What we call the Left are the Dark Personalities and their followers. This is a Psychological concept before it is political. It is called Totalitarianism when in the political spectrum, (Pathocracies).
It is known as the Cluster-B/Psychopathic spectrum when viewed as a Psychological concept.
These overlap. Therefore, the best material is found in both aspects of the field.
Does "it is better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven" ring a bell?
Maybe reading Milton should also be on the reading list too?
Milton in "Paradise Lost" had Satan saying those words.
There is wisdom in authentic literature. I would think that astute individuals through the ages saw some of these concepts at play, without having graduate Psychology degrees or even being a Milton. They simply kept their eyes and minds open.
a famous psychologist did say that psychology, as a science, is an absolute fraud. Having a "degree" in it only lets you join a credentialed class. That's it. It does not take a degree to understand human nature. Once you have read modern psychiatric studies on the topic, then go back and re-read the classics, Milton, the Bible, the Greeks, and even political treatises from de Tocqueville to the Federalist Papers (remember, my handle is "Publius") you will see that those from the past knew what they were talking about, from a philosophical standpoint. It is very relevant to today. THat is why they used to teach this stuff in college.
I would go as far as saying that a degree in psychology, given the theories of today, actually impairs your ability to understand human nature.
I concur.
I say this as someone who has personally experienced totalitarianism, who has read many of the the classics, and who also holds several degrees in relevant cross-disciplines.
I covered all the bases in looking for answers!
Projection is one of the biggest weapons in the commie arsenal, that is for sure.
Alinsky was brilliant. Too bad he was also a twisted, leftist sociopath. Oh, well. His tactics work just as well for us as for them. I especially enjoy the mocking part.
Yes, Alinsky was a Cluster-B Dark Personality.
It is the Alinsky Bible. I think many read it once a year!!!
I read it back in my teens. After its heyday with radical leftists. Because I had a sense even then of what it was. And I was never a leftist. I have recommended it a thousand times since, as a source of enemy tactics. But there were mainly big yawns in return.
People are only beginning to catch on to these ideas now, for the most part. Sixty years or more after they started circulating through the leftwing.
not to sound apocalyptic, but the world literally means "unveiling of the truth".
People are noticing that, all is not what it seems.
Lies are depicted as truth, and truth is dismissed as lies.
That’s the title? I might have to read it just to stay sane when I interact with my liberal friends.
I think the book being discussed is Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.
it is an angry awful book.
Written by a Dark Personality, on the Cluster-B spectrum. Who was into political totalitarianism.
"Rules for Radicals"
ISBN 0-394-44341-1
Their favorite seems to be Rule 5, Ridacule. That one enables any moron to participate; all you need do is make fun of people, and they get their "Look, Mommy, I will be politicking, moment!"
If you thought the Alinsky playbook was interesting (I read it as a teen who recognized totalitarianism when I encountered it)..... you might want to read the classic Andrew Lobaczewski book, "Political Ponerology".
If these ideas have not crossed your path before, you may find it mind-blowing!
And then the Harrison Koehli Substack picks up where Lobaczewski left off. Very good stuff.
I use that rules for radicals example all the time. It is the fundamental principle of the democrats since I was old enough to watch politics with some understanding of what goes on.
They want all the cookies for themselves.
in other words, Alinsky tells his followers to consciously use Projection on their targets.
You know what the antidote is for that? The target GREYROCKS.
What do you mean Greyrocks?
a narcissists needs outside engagement (supply) to validate their existence because they have no freudian EGO, and therefore have no sense of self. The can only exist when others respond to them, so as to confirm their "false" ego that they have manufactured.
To greyrock is to not engage with them. You are no longer "supply" to them.
A. am i right about that?
On the money, Publius. 👍
Or, if Maria does a quick Google search, she will find something like this:
"The grey rock method is where you deliberately act unresponsive or unengaged so that an abusive person will lose interest in you.
Abusive people thrive on emotions and drama. When you act indifferent and don’t show your emotions, they may lose interest and stop bothering you. This is known as “grey rocking.”
Using the grey rock method might look like avoiding eye contact, giving short answers, and focusing on other things when talking with someone who’s using abuse tactics."
One thing to remember when Grey-rocking (hadn't heard that term for it, good to have a name for the technique) is that some people with the personality disroders most commonly associated with narcissism in some form, may become hostile, even outright violent, without what a sane/normal person would call provocation, much less cause.
Stepping closer, screaming spittle in your face, shoving, pushing, slapping (if it's a woman) or outright trying to knock you down if it's a man.
Be aware that this may happen, and be aware of it in advance. Make sure you are not alone with the narcissist and its co-dependents if confronting or challenging it.
And keep an eye on their hands at all times.
Here is an example of an enraged Narcissist knocking down a man when the Narcissist is crossed. In this case it was a British Labour MP who considered himself crossed when a constituent asked him a question he did not like.
I have noted that Narcissists when crossed often try to push their opponents down to the ground.
Telegraph (UK): ‘You’ll never threaten me ever again’: Labour MP in altercation with constituent
Mike Amesbury, MP for Runcorn and Helsby, filmed apparently confronting a man lying on the pavement"
Been there, seen that. I agree that they tend to go ballistic if they are challenged. When it gets really bad, it is known as Narcissistic Collapse, during which they seem demon-possessed. And highly vindictive that you crossed them, even very slightly.
GREYROCK is different. GREYROCK means simply ignoring them. Refusing to engage. It does not refer to crossing or challenging them. Quite the opposite. It means refusing to join their dark games. NOT partaking of their drama. This way, you do not feed the beast. Your negative emotions give them power, So refrain from displaying these.
100%
I learned to do this, on my own, before it was written about, and became in vogue. It seemed like a natural response to a dis-regulated tormentor. By dismissing them, and not providing them “supply” (which is what they need to validate their false ego) you essentially are confirming to them that they are NOTHING and they move on to another source of “supply”, their “next victim” .
Yes, indeed Publius.
Next step is to clear your own wounds so that you never even attract them.
Thank you all! That’s one of the reasons I love this place so much. I always learn something new 😊
I use other methods. In high school my parents gave that advice "if you ignore the bully they will go away." And yet for many a bully (which may not be a narcissist) will simply think that silence gives consent.
I do two things. Call ad hominem out for what it is, to which case they will tell me I don't know what it is (gaslighting.) They also get annoyed when I point it out "hey that's ad hominem, more ad hominem, that's ad hominem and a side of erroneous facts"
And then I will illustrate for them how to insult someone when I began the practice of insulting/ridiculing myself. Who knows better my faults (both perceived and observed by others) than me? This was done quite eloquently in the movie "Roxanne" with Steve Martin when he demonstrated to the "prophets of the obvious" just how much better he was at effacing his own nose than those around him.
That is an effective approach.
Another good approach, would be to ask questions to cause their minds to explode with cognitive dissonance…its like putting salt into a wound. Example "does that make you feel better? Does acting in the way you are to me make you feel tough? Are you doing these things to cover up some deep seated insecurity you have? You know, normal, well adjusted people would not do that, do you really think this normal?”
And so on. Their minds become frozen with narcissistic injury.
Very good, Jimmy. I give you high marks on that one!
You understood the principles behind their tactics and turned the tables on them. 👍
It's also called "Greystoning".
She said the Big Guy ate the cookies
No. He only got 10% of them
But remember, Hunter got 20% and Jim got 10%, too.
40% total for the Bidens.
There is no doubt I ate the cookies.
Joe Rogan - JOE ROGAN! - conducted better interviews with Trump and Vance than the entirety of the corporate press has managed in the last 10 years (of course they never tried.) And this took some skill, especially where Trump is concerned... A few times, Rogan had to reign him in and redirect the conversation with some energy, which he managed just fine.
The two interviews were calm, entertaining, long-form discussions that revealed the two men for who they are, on a number of subjects. They were also revealed as authentic, something no one can say about Kamala and the Dems.
Which is of course also why neither Tim or Kamala were allowed to go on Rogan by their handlers. Neither has the intellectual capacity to present their phony-ness as authentic without a script, a teleprompter and a sycophant for an interviewer for even a minute.
Plastic people can't be authentic, because they're plastic.
They also emit toxic smoke when they melt.
ONLY when they melt, Mickey?
I wish I could like this more than once!
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Okay. I want to see the memes of Kamala with Oreo crumbs all over her face. Please make it happen.
Ask Glenn Beck for that meme - he of the Trump/Cheetos fame.
Saying someone else ate the Oreos, without batting an eye....that's projection. No shame involved, just like a toddler.
A way of offloading your own sins/weaknesses onto someone else. They take the fall.
and, as a reminder, no phycologist can diagnose a person under the age of 18 with Narcissistic personality disorder, well, because, all infants (up until they develop emotional maturity, which for some never happens) are narcissists.
Well...not all infants would behave in the destructive manner of an adult Narcissist.
Many are cowed into obedience towards their Attachment figure. And if that Attachment figure is a Cluster-B Personality, their children become fawning serfs in one way or another.
It's complex in several ways, but simple in others.
some infants are "pre-disposed" to not be easily soothed (some think that it relates to genetics and/or brains structure). There is re-search that suggests that these infants are more inclined to develop personality disorders in adulthood. But all infants are narcissistic (lowercase n) until they successfully individuate from their primary caregiver (usually mom) and ultimately realize that they are, in fact, a separate entity from the mother. The child who successfully does this, develops their own "person" a freudian Ego, and with appropriate support, becomes well adjusted and normal. The child that does not, and is predisposed to be difficult, and who has a parent with a personality disorder, will in all likelyhood be so afflicted in the future.
It is VERY complex, and frankly no one really knows the answer, if the answer is even knowable.
We have learned that whether we understand the causes or not, therapy for unresolved trauma/PTSD can make a positive difference. It can even be self-taught and done without a therapist. Some people stumble on this themselves.
the type of trauma/ptsd that causes personality disorders generally occur in childhood and are considered by some "doctors" as a "complex ptsd". It is not well known and is a new area of study. Therapy, unfortunately, is usually ineffective on narcissists and psychopaths, but shows promise with borderlines and histrionics. For many, knowledge, is therapy.
Doing the work on yourself can be effective, whether you are the Cluster-B Personality, or the chronic target.
For those seeking self-therapy guidance, I would recommend "Narcissistic Abuse" by Melanie Tonia Evans, "Re-regulated" by Anna Runkle, "Radical Forgiveness" by Colin Tipping, "Focusing" by Eugene Gendlin, and "Man's Search for Meaning" by Viktor Frankl.
True. And with any luck all the psych majors in college these days might help themselves out of the mess their heads are in. Or life will teach them the hard way.
The libs have historically accused conservatives of what they themselves do, and it amazes me how well they internally manage the contradiction. Split consciousness? Self-righteous lying (for the good of the country)? Good ‘ol denial and projection? Deep psychopathology? All of the above????
Embrace the power of AND. There's certainly a cognitive dissonance to how they manage all the contradictions they espouse.
"Who stole the Oreos from the Oreo Jar."
"Pi stole the Oreos from the Oreo Jar."
*mumbles, between crumbs falling from mouth* "Wh-ooo Mer-EE?"
"Yes, YOU!"
"Coubmldn't bEEE!"
"Then who?"
"Kamala stole the Oreos from the Oreos Jar."
It's early. And dark. And I'm still only on my second covfefe. I'm so sorry.
Well, you’re thinking more than I.
But I'm not.
😊
The absurdity is a feature, not a bug. It keeps people on their heels rather than their toes.
So THATS where the fascists / NAZIs got it from! Toddlers!
"Accuse your opponent of what you are doing AS YOU ARE DOING IT to create confusion"
~Attributed to Hermann Göring.
I fear the Bolsheviks way more than the nazis. It’s the Bolsheviks who are getting transvestite story hour into your child’s classroom, doling out cross sex hormones and mutilating kids. They are also the ones who are replacing you with brown third worlders in your own country. The nazis would never let any of that happen. The nazis were the ones burning down the transgender clinics in the 1930’s and burning “Margret has a big dick” books.
Well, the thing is this. Socialism, whether it be fascist or communist in flavor, is nothing more than a sales pitch to concentrate power in the hands of one or more sociopaths. And while it's true that Communism gave us Critical Theory and thus our current woke lunatic frenzy, it is also true that the sociopath in power decides whether or not Critical Theory will be applied to destroy and disunify society. So in the end, the issue is (and has always been) Liberty vs Tyranny, Good vs Evil.
Man, they pulled exactly the same level and strategy of lie with those ridiculous election results in 2020. And not only got away with it, but used the protest to fake a violent episode with FBI agents in the Capitol and beat democracy over the head with that every day since.
Why <wouldn’t> they just wait for the counts, then miraculously add however many million votes they need? They’ve already done it, and conservative America sat still for the steal.
I wish that his lies were as innocuous as "who ate the oreos?" His lies were more about "the immigrants ate their pets", much more damaging than oreos!
Like many outrageous stories they are a sort of telephone game. Since there was in fact a black though American woman in Canton OH arrested for killing and eating a cat right out on the sidewalk.
Thanks for mentioning her. But the more important thing is this. The long-term residents of Springfield have effectively been silenced because they have learned that their government officials (both local and state) DO NOT HAVE THEIR INTERESTS AT HEART. Most people just want to live their lives in peace. Go against the approved narrative and trouble ensues, and you will not win. Be silent and you'll avoid trouble.
Trump's great and persistent failure is to not be rigorously accurate. His fabulisms grown from little seeds of truth make it easy to dismiss and mock him.
He's a showman, not a leader. But lousy vessel that he is, he's all we got right now in this moment of time and let's hope for justice for all of us, sooner rather than later.
There's hardly a politician out there who's rigorously accurate. The only difference is the media highlights everything Trump exaggerates or lies about, while ignoring all the whoppers coming from Democrat politicians.
Thank you for reporting the obvious.
That is not the point. When Trump says truly idiotic things he loses independent voters who desperately want to be able to vote for him without feeling like idiots themselves.
Me, this cycle, I'm whoring out my integrity for the sake of the nation and that even despite a gag reflex that's an environmental hazard. But many will not be so noble.
Not exactly the epidemic described by Agent Orange or Hillbilly Vance!
Did they call it an epidemic? I will have to look. However, I do believe there were other complaints of missing cats, although they would probably be difficult to find at this point
The cats or the reports? (ha-ha)
Both
And why did I call it a telephone game?
I had a “conversation” with a liberal friend the other day regarding why he supported kamala.
The Ohio issue came up. He said that cats were not being eaten in Ohio. I said there was an arrest that demonstrated the opposite.
I then asked where he got his information. He said from the governor. He liked him. The governor said it didn’t happen.
I ended the conversation
And that governor claims to be a Republican
🙄 And her lies are more like, “welcoming known convicted criminals into the country and supporting them with your tax dollars is good for the USA”.
The whole Rogan interview is a good ‘un. JD knows his stuff. Next up, Walz. Ha just kidding, that’ll never happen. And there’s the glaring difference.
What baffles me is that it's as if the 'covid' thing never happened and legions of people are pretending that scores of people weren't murdered by medical malpractice, people's rights and freedoms weren't violated, informed consent was honored, government didn't collude with social media companies and big pharma to censor dissenting views and they didn't bully and coerce people to take unnecessary and unsafe medical treatments, lest they lose their jobs etc.
Nah, it's back to pre-covid "DJT is Hitler."
This has nothing to do with being pro-Trump (which is irrelevant), it's about the lack of a reflection and assessment of who exactly who implemented that stuff. If the Trump admin had coerced transfection etc.., I would have felt the same way. Now, people could be fine with what was done, in which case that's admittance that they are authoritarian but then they're in no position to lecture on Trump's authoritarianism. It's all so f#$king pathetic.
Tbh, lying is and has for a a few decades now, been the DEMS automatic pathological MO....and that's NO LIE!
"Nobody told poll watchers to go home, they just said they were done counting for the day."
Given where Kamala grew up and who her parents were I wouldn't be surprised if she couldn't quote Saul Alinsky verbatum.