As a fellow salesperson, I would say the exhaustion isn't with the grift. It is more exhausting watching the masses that refuse to see the overwhelming evidence of the grift.
Well said, Jason. I've given myself neck damage from shaking my head. It just seemed so effing obvious. Hard to believe the mass gullibility. I think it might just come down to - do you feel comfortable with the fact that you will die some day, or not. Those who don't - they are the ones who can be led.
"I don't fear death, I just don't want to be there when it happens."
-- Woody Allen
"I'm not afraid of death. It's dying that scares the hell out of me."
-- ???
I can better identify with the second saying. As an unbeliever, I believe that when I'm dead whatever the self is, will no longer exist, thus will perceive nothing. In glaring contrast, there are all manner of unpleasant experiences possible while one on on the way out.
Keahi, itтАЩs all driven by FEAR. Once that is imprinted, anything will be believed. And look how much the fear is impacted and where.
I take it youтАЩre Hawaiian. Our favourite place to holiday. And we canтАЩt get there, thanks to the irrational rules of travel established by Canada and Hawaii.
The jabbed get Covid as much as if not more than us Purebloods, but WE are the ones not allowed to travel. Covid can spread as much as ever under the current insane rules.
Oh I'm 100% haole. Keahi is my name given me by my kumu hula. I'm Hawaiian in my soul, born and raised there, in a taro patch, riding the water buffalo. We are kama'aina - family's been in the Islands for over 100 years. My cousins, nieces and nephews are Hawaiian, Chinese, Japanese, Filipino...it will always be home, but I left 29 years ago. Hawaii is bluer than blue, everyone there is soooo proud of how well they followed orders. Including my family. We don't talk much these days. I carry my Hawai'i in my heart.
Breaks my heart what went on in the islands. I lived there for 12 years (Maui and Kona). Will we ever get back? Have many friends in both islands. A hui hou
A hui hou and aloha no to you, my friend. I was born in Kaneohe in the Territory, Papa went to Roosevelt, flew for Hawaiian Airlines starting in 1952, we could island hop for free, so I know and love every island - especially as they were then. He built a house in Kamuela when there wasn't a single traffic light, taught flying out of Kona after he retired. Maui, same thing, Makawao was a sleepy Portuguese paniolo town, Hana, Kaupo, Paia, Haiku...such wonderful little towns, Maui folks are truly the kindest. We got the last of the wine, David. I can hardly bear to visit, now. I go to Waimanalo Beach where I lived for five years, backcountry at the Park on the Big Island, or Na'alehu in Ka'u. I try to hold fast to the way it was. I was blessed.
You were truly blessed. I had four or five favourite places. The mountain road to Hilo from Kamuela. The view from Mauna Kea summit. The little 9 hole golf course at Kahuku. The view of Niihau from Kaui. Hapuna beach.
The spirit of aloha still lives on the big island. I felt closer to God there than anywhere else I have ever been. The cabal has robbed us of so much.
until the hysteria, we used to spend a long week each year backpacking the whole north shore trail on kauai and ending with a soak at hanakap'ai falls.
unvaxxed and untested. i'll miss all the friends we met, from the mayor of kona to the eskimos vacationing from above the arctic circle and whom we visit in ak.
The Big Island remains my favorite, the presence of the park keeps it from being completely overrun. I spent a lot of time there visiting my Dad. I was happy to see on my last visit that the Hamakua Coast remains much as it was, not too built up. But the cane is all gone - were you there for the sugar cane? Did several climbs up Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa, solo on Mauna Loa was my one-on-one with God. Kahuku, wow! When my parents were finally settled in after Dad got back from the Pacific theater (he was a radioman and gunner on B-17s), they lived in a quonset hut at the Kahuku airstrip. Dad had a little plane they would fly over the Koolaus into Honolulu for groceries and to see his folks once a week. That was in 1946. My grandpa built most of the highways, tunnels and bridges on Oahu and the Big Island, the restoration of Volcano House. He was head of the Department of Public Works. Spent time as a patient at Kalaupapa (yes, he was diagnosed as having leprosy). He called it the best vacation he'd had in years, started a baseball team. They still remember him there...The view of Niihau from Kauai, that would be Polihale Beach. The jumping off place. I'm writing a book about that...
Let us know when you finish the book, please. I've never been to Hawai'i - almost lived there 3 years ago, but happenstance took us to the PNW instead.
I love your nostalgic reminiscences. My father was a WWII vet also (but European theater.)
One of my sons recently spent some time there and came back shocked at the economic disparities and general hatred of tourists from the poor native population.
When I read news stories of people like Obama and the Zuckerbergs making nefarious moves in the Islands, cheating residents and bypassing laws in order to grab especially desirable properties, I can understand why our famed aloha spirit is wearing pretty thin.
Completely agree about the death part. Fear of loss is a greater motivator than the opportunity to gain. The biggest fear for most people is their own mortality. Those in power know this and are masters at exploiting this fear to accomplish their own selfish goals.
It wasn't just a fear of their own mortality. It was just as much about "losing" social status, income, "privileges", etc., etc.
Typical outcome of a prisoners dilemma...everyone ended up losing because they couldn't realize they were actually working against their own interests by being unilaterally "selfish".
You can dupe yourself into anything if you know your being selfish.
It's curious you bring up the Prisoner's Dilemma. For those unfamiliar, this is a a basic exercise in game theory. Those interested can wiki or otherwise look up the term. For the present discussion,
Ryan's comment is not strictly accurate and bears a little clarification. In a social trap, an individual's best choice actually IS the one in his best interest. The problem is that this rationally selfish choice produces a non-optimal cost on a group. Ryan would be correct if he said the selfish choice works against the AVERAGE outcome.
While game theory sounds rather abstract, it actually has very many practical real-world implications and is a key part of many fields, including sociology and psychology.
I'd also disagree with Ryan on one final point: Making the selfish choice is probably most often the right one (from the individual's point of view.) When a system is in place to aid optimal outcomes for all (social rules, customs, laws, and so on), this actually requires the conscious consent of the individual, or equivalently good training, so that he will choose the action that produces the optimal outcome for all, not just the best for him, right now. In other words, being "selfish" is not always a bad thing, but it is IF the individual KNOWS that his choice is coming at the expense of the group.
Well said.. and clarified. However I do think it applies here. I'll respond after work in more detail because I do think game theory was "used" against the uniformed public.
The thing is.. as this progresses the info become so much more conclusive ... and you find yourself thinking -- of course nobody believes this nonsense anymore ....
But they do... and you have to remember -- we read substacks and other non MSM sources... they don't.
Nothing has changed for the hard core CovIDIOTS. They are doing what they are told
That is the worst part. Friends and family that I respected have become part of the masses. Blows my mind that they can't see the forest for the trees.
You must be exhausted then.
As a fellow salesperson, I would say the exhaustion isn't with the grift. It is more exhausting watching the masses that refuse to see the overwhelming evidence of the grift.
Well said, Jason. I've given myself neck damage from shaking my head. It just seemed so effing obvious. Hard to believe the mass gullibility. I think it might just come down to - do you feel comfortable with the fact that you will die some day, or not. Those who don't - they are the ones who can be led.
i never feared death, i fear ongoing slow and painful life
"I don't fear death, I just don't want to be there when it happens."
-- Woody Allen
"I'm not afraid of death. It's dying that scares the hell out of me."
-- ???
I can better identify with the second saying. As an unbeliever, I believe that when I'm dead whatever the self is, will no longer exist, thus will perceive nothing. In glaring contrast, there are all manner of unpleasant experiences possible while one on on the way out.
Back to "stardust".
also an unbeliever and also had an out of body experience when i died before!
Exactly!
Well said
100% this:
I think it might just come down to - do you feel comfortable with the fact that you will die some day, or not.
Keahi, itтАЩs all driven by FEAR. Once that is imprinted, anything will be believed. And look how much the fear is impacted and where.
I take it youтАЩre Hawaiian. Our favourite place to holiday. And we canтАЩt get there, thanks to the irrational rules of travel established by Canada and Hawaii.
The jabbed get Covid as much as if not more than us Purebloods, but WE are the ones not allowed to travel. Covid can spread as much as ever under the current insane rules.
Clown World.
Oh I'm 100% haole. Keahi is my name given me by my kumu hula. I'm Hawaiian in my soul, born and raised there, in a taro patch, riding the water buffalo. We are kama'aina - family's been in the Islands for over 100 years. My cousins, nieces and nephews are Hawaiian, Chinese, Japanese, Filipino...it will always be home, but I left 29 years ago. Hawaii is bluer than blue, everyone there is soooo proud of how well they followed orders. Including my family. We don't talk much these days. I carry my Hawai'i in my heart.
Breaks my heart what went on in the islands. I lived there for 12 years (Maui and Kona). Will we ever get back? Have many friends in both islands. A hui hou
A hui hou and aloha no to you, my friend. I was born in Kaneohe in the Territory, Papa went to Roosevelt, flew for Hawaiian Airlines starting in 1952, we could island hop for free, so I know and love every island - especially as they were then. He built a house in Kamuela when there wasn't a single traffic light, taught flying out of Kona after he retired. Maui, same thing, Makawao was a sleepy Portuguese paniolo town, Hana, Kaupo, Paia, Haiku...such wonderful little towns, Maui folks are truly the kindest. We got the last of the wine, David. I can hardly bear to visit, now. I go to Waimanalo Beach where I lived for five years, backcountry at the Park on the Big Island, or Na'alehu in Ka'u. I try to hold fast to the way it was. I was blessed.
You were truly blessed. I had four or five favourite places. The mountain road to Hilo from Kamuela. The view from Mauna Kea summit. The little 9 hole golf course at Kahuku. The view of Niihau from Kaui. Hapuna beach.
The spirit of aloha still lives on the big island. I felt closer to God there than anywhere else I have ever been. The cabal has robbed us of so much.
until the hysteria, we used to spend a long week each year backpacking the whole north shore trail on kauai and ending with a soak at hanakap'ai falls.
unvaxxed and untested. i'll miss all the friends we met, from the mayor of kona to the eskimos vacationing from above the arctic circle and whom we visit in ak.
what a dreamscape.
I have faith that the nightmare will end, and in our lifetime. May your memories serve to nurture and comfort you, until that day.
The Big Island remains my favorite, the presence of the park keeps it from being completely overrun. I spent a lot of time there visiting my Dad. I was happy to see on my last visit that the Hamakua Coast remains much as it was, not too built up. But the cane is all gone - were you there for the sugar cane? Did several climbs up Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa, solo on Mauna Loa was my one-on-one with God. Kahuku, wow! When my parents were finally settled in after Dad got back from the Pacific theater (he was a radioman and gunner on B-17s), they lived in a quonset hut at the Kahuku airstrip. Dad had a little plane they would fly over the Koolaus into Honolulu for groceries and to see his folks once a week. That was in 1946. My grandpa built most of the highways, tunnels and bridges on Oahu and the Big Island, the restoration of Volcano House. He was head of the Department of Public Works. Spent time as a patient at Kalaupapa (yes, he was diagnosed as having leprosy). He called it the best vacation he'd had in years, started a baseball team. They still remember him there...The view of Niihau from Kauai, that would be Polihale Beach. The jumping off place. I'm writing a book about that...
Let us know when you finish the book, please. I've never been to Hawai'i - almost lived there 3 years ago, but happenstance took us to the PNW instead.
I love your nostalgic reminiscences. My father was a WWII vet also (but European theater.)
One of my sons recently spent some time there and came back shocked at the economic disparities and general hatred of tourists from the poor native population.
When I read news stories of people like Obama and the Zuckerbergs making nefarious moves in the Islands, cheating residents and bypassing laws in order to grab especially desirable properties, I can understand why our famed aloha spirit is wearing pretty thin.
Completely agree about the death part. Fear of loss is a greater motivator than the opportunity to gain. The biggest fear for most people is their own mortality. Those in power know this and are masters at exploiting this fear to accomplish their own selfish goals.
It wasn't just a fear of their own mortality. It was just as much about "losing" social status, income, "privileges", etc., etc.
Typical outcome of a prisoners dilemma...everyone ended up losing because they couldn't realize they were actually working against their own interests by being unilaterally "selfish".
You can dupe yourself into anything if you know your being selfish.
It's curious you bring up the Prisoner's Dilemma. For those unfamiliar, this is a a basic exercise in game theory. Those interested can wiki or otherwise look up the term. For the present discussion,
Ryan's comment is not strictly accurate and bears a little clarification. In a social trap, an individual's best choice actually IS the one in his best interest. The problem is that this rationally selfish choice produces a non-optimal cost on a group. Ryan would be correct if he said the selfish choice works against the AVERAGE outcome.
While game theory sounds rather abstract, it actually has very many practical real-world implications and is a key part of many fields, including sociology and psychology.
I'd also disagree with Ryan on one final point: Making the selfish choice is probably most often the right one (from the individual's point of view.) When a system is in place to aid optimal outcomes for all (social rules, customs, laws, and so on), this actually requires the conscious consent of the individual, or equivalently good training, so that he will choose the action that produces the optimal outcome for all, not just the best for him, right now. In other words, being "selfish" is not always a bad thing, but it is IF the individual KNOWS that his choice is coming at the expense of the group.
Well said.. and clarified. However I do think it applies here. I'll respond after work in more detail because I do think game theory was "used" against the uniformed public.
The thing is.. as this progresses the info become so much more conclusive ... and you find yourself thinking -- of course nobody believes this nonsense anymore ....
But they do... and you have to remember -- we read substacks and other non MSM sources... they don't.
Nothing has changed for the hard core CovIDIOTS. They are doing what they are told
"COVIDiots" is really good, but I still prefer "Branch Covidians."
CovIDIOTS are a sub-set of MOREONS --- who live in DelusiSTAN.
This is EXACTLY right!
So obvious that it can make you angry.
Bingo...worse still, watching your friends/colleagues becoming part of the "masses". Mind boggling
That is the worst part. Friends and family that I respected have become part of the masses. Blows my mind that they can't see the forest for the trees.
Lol