Great stuff per usual- Doctors are not taking the time, nor do they have the statistical background to be able to interpret and then give advice. I see too many Drs. saying "get vaccinated" (i.e. SHOT) without delving into their patient's histories and that is concerning.
Wondering if Dr. Eric Topol read the report? Sam Harris had him on a recent podcast and their level of detail was "Get vaccinated." Disappointing that Sam puts so much blind faith trust in other 'scientists.'
Well done. Thank you. Different but related note: Why do we no longer see any mention of Sweden Covid situation? I can guess, but perhaps you have better data. They took a more science-based, less intrusive approach with a high degree of success, especially considering the far lower overall adverse impacts on their society. Why no mention of current infections, hospitalizations, deaths, Delta variants, vaccinations, masks, lockdowns, etc?
Thanks for a very interesting analysis. HOWEVER, it seems there is an enormous issue that you didn't address. Weren't all of the placebo group offered the vaccine roughly two months into the trial? Wouldn't that basically nullify all results of the 6-month follow-up? Would love to hear your thoughts on this - thx. https://n.pr/3yfCKmx
While brilliant, your analysis missed perhaps the biggest defect in the Pfizer study: it failed to count vaccine deaths and hospitalizations from serious side effects as avoided Covid deaths and hospitalization. Just imagine how many more Covid deaths and hospitalizations we would have suffered if only the vaccine hadn’t done the job first.
Someone needs to explain to Lori Lightfoot the true brilliance of her shooting violence strategy - The more children and others shot and killed, the more Covid deaths and hospitalizations avoided. Pure genius. A “3 shot” approach: If the vaccine shot doesn’t save you from Covid, the gunshot will. More shootings are really a good thing in Lori’s world.
One thing I don't think this study addresses is the data coming out of Israel where vaccine's protection is going down by 50% in just 3 months and down to 16% in just 6 months.
Initially I even thought the vaccine might be useful. But based on the latest data, now I really don't see the point. Based on the latests reports, vaccinated people aren't just contracting it, they are also infecting others and have "just as much viral load as the unvaccinated". So what exactly is vaccination even achieving especially for young healthy?:
> CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated
> Among five Covid patients who were hospitalized, four were fully vaccinated, according to the agency.
> after new data suggested fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting Covid-19 but could potentially infect others.
> CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said recent studies had shown that those vaccinated individuals who do become infected with Covid have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated, making it possible for them to spread the virus to others. Based on that finding, Walensky said the CDC is also recommending that all school children wear masks in the fall.
> Recent data released by the Health Ministry shows that those who were first to receive their two doses of the Pfizer COVID vaccine are more likely now to be infected, as the vaccine appears to lose protection potency over time. Data released by the Health Ministry last week suggested that people vaccinated in January have just 16% protection against infection now, while in those vaccinated in April, the effectiveness was at 75%.
Even the leftist NYMag is now coming out that vaccine efficacy declines to just 19% in 6 months. So unless people now want to keep getting booster shots every 3 months or something, it's useless imo:
>already seeing a few pieces of evidence that the vaccines may not be very effective at all at stopping spread: the Provincetown cluster, where 70 percent of cases were in the vaccinated; the CDC finding that viral loads were almost identical in the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, and its warning today that the science of transmission among the vaccinated is shifting; and a few different Israeli studies showing that efficacy against transmission might decline as low as 19 percent six months after the doses were given.
Lancet: Pfizer, AstraZeneca jab antibody levels may dip in 3 months: "Total antibody levels start to wane six weeks after complete immunisation with Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines, and can reduce by more than 50% over 10 weeks, according to a study published in The Lancet journal. For Pfizer, antibody levels reduced from a median of 7506 Units per millilitre (U/mL) at 21–41 days, to 3320 U/mL at 70 or more days. For AstraZeneca vaccine, antibody levels reduced from a median of 1201 U/mL at 0–20 days to 190 U/mL at 70 or more days, over five-fold reduction."
1. fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting Covid-19 but infecting others
2. vaccinated individuals who do become infected with Covid have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated, making it possible for them to spread the virus to others
3. vaccine loses potency to just 16% in 3-6 months
With all this, why should a healthy young person get vaxxed? Unless people want to get booster shots every few months too?
Doctor here. Wasn't taught any of this stuff during my training. Neither were any of my colleagues, and it shows. Only difference between them and me is that I smelled something off early on and have had los gatos malos of the internet to help and educate. Thanks a bunch.
consumer risk, that is risk the hypothesis the jab is worth it is based on age, health, and mobility. and safety which data is years away from a useable consumer risk determination.
me: 70 yo fairly healthy 26 bmi view is shaded by home life where i live with a covidian, trump hating, biden voting karen. otherwise i would leave the jab.... i had it. and rely on the idea i have far less time to endure than a younger person.
on loosely note: the military clinic i use [being a retiree] will only carry moderna after 1 aug.... hmmmm.
Moderna trial split control group into 2. One half got pure saline, other half got Menningicocal vaccine which has a history of adverse reactions including death. I wonder if Pfizzer did the same.
Great stuff per usual- Doctors are not taking the time, nor do they have the statistical background to be able to interpret and then give advice. I see too many Drs. saying "get vaccinated" (i.e. SHOT) without delving into their patient's histories and that is concerning.
Wondering if Dr. Eric Topol read the report? Sam Harris had him on a recent podcast and their level of detail was "Get vaccinated." Disappointing that Sam puts so much blind faith trust in other 'scientists.'
Well done. Thank you. Different but related note: Why do we no longer see any mention of Sweden Covid situation? I can guess, but perhaps you have better data. They took a more science-based, less intrusive approach with a high degree of success, especially considering the far lower overall adverse impacts on their society. Why no mention of current infections, hospitalizations, deaths, Delta variants, vaccinations, masks, lockdowns, etc?
Thanks for a very interesting analysis. HOWEVER, it seems there is an enormous issue that you didn't address. Weren't all of the placebo group offered the vaccine roughly two months into the trial? Wouldn't that basically nullify all results of the 6-month follow-up? Would love to hear your thoughts on this - thx. https://n.pr/3yfCKmx
The thing that jumped out at me during the trials is how few people got sick in the first place.
I saw a piece on Spiked that said, "“Why encourage people not to get vaccinated?”
I replied:
1. Experim. treatment w/ ?? long term effects
2. Useless/harmful for recovered people
3. Disease 99.9+% survivable
4. <age 25 almost zero risk, but real risks from vaccine
5. Vaccines cause variants
6. Vaxxed can still get sick
Statistics class paying off...
While brilliant, your analysis missed perhaps the biggest defect in the Pfizer study: it failed to count vaccine deaths and hospitalizations from serious side effects as avoided Covid deaths and hospitalization. Just imagine how many more Covid deaths and hospitalizations we would have suffered if only the vaccine hadn’t done the job first.
Someone needs to explain to Lori Lightfoot the true brilliance of her shooting violence strategy - The more children and others shot and killed, the more Covid deaths and hospitalizations avoided. Pure genius. A “3 shot” approach: If the vaccine shot doesn’t save you from Covid, the gunshot will. More shootings are really a good thing in Lori’s world.
Great analysis, thanks! A shame this type of stuff gets censored and not discussed more in public. I wonder why...
Instead we get a constant push to get the jab
One thing I don't think this study addresses is the data coming out of Israel where vaccine's protection is going down by 50% in just 3 months and down to 16% in just 6 months.
Initially I even thought the vaccine might be useful. But based on the latest data, now I really don't see the point. Based on the latests reports, vaccinated people aren't just contracting it, they are also infecting others and have "just as much viral load as the unvaccinated". So what exactly is vaccination even achieving especially for young healthy?:
> CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated
> Among five Covid patients who were hospitalized, four were fully vaccinated, according to the agency.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html
> after new data suggested fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting Covid-19 but could potentially infect others.
> CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said recent studies had shown that those vaccinated individuals who do become infected with Covid have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated, making it possible for them to spread the virus to others. Based on that finding, Walensky said the CDC is also recommending that all school children wear masks in the fall.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-administration-recommend-vaccinated-wear-masks-areas-low-vaccination-rates-n1275012
> Recent data released by the Health Ministry shows that those who were first to receive their two doses of the Pfizer COVID vaccine are more likely now to be infected, as the vaccine appears to lose protection potency over time. Data released by the Health Ministry last week suggested that people vaccinated in January have just 16% protection against infection now, while in those vaccinated in April, the effectiveness was at 75%.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-severe-covid-cases-could-reach-400-by-mid-august-researchers-warn/
Even the leftist NYMag is now coming out that vaccine efficacy declines to just 19% in 6 months. So unless people now want to keep getting booster shots every 3 months or something, it's useless imo:
>already seeing a few pieces of evidence that the vaccines may not be very effective at all at stopping spread: the Provincetown cluster, where 70 percent of cases were in the vaccinated; the CDC finding that viral loads were almost identical in the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, and its warning today that the science of transmission among the vaccinated is shifting; and a few different Israeli studies showing that efficacy against transmission might decline as low as 19 percent six months after the doses were given.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/covid-vaccines-may-not-totally-stop-delta-from-spreading.html
Lancet: Pfizer, AstraZeneca jab antibody levels may dip in 3 months: "Total antibody levels start to wane six weeks after complete immunisation with Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines, and can reduce by more than 50% over 10 weeks, according to a study published in The Lancet journal. For Pfizer, antibody levels reduced from a median of 7506 Units per millilitre (U/mL) at 21–41 days, to 3320 U/mL at 70 or more days. For AstraZeneca vaccine, antibody levels reduced from a median of 1201 U/mL at 0–20 days to 190 U/mL at 70 or more days, over five-fold reduction."
https://web.archive.org/web/20210727111610/https://www.ndtv.com/science/pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccine-antibody-levels-may-decline-in-2-3-months-lancet-study-2495837
So we have:
1. fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting Covid-19 but infecting others
2. vaccinated individuals who do become infected with Covid have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated, making it possible for them to spread the virus to others
3. vaccine loses potency to just 16% in 3-6 months
With all this, why should a healthy young person get vaxxed? Unless people want to get booster shots every few months too?
Thanks, Gato. Really appreciate the effort you put into these posts.
Doctor here. Wasn't taught any of this stuff during my training. Neither were any of my colleagues, and it shows. Only difference between them and me is that I smelled something off early on and have had los gatos malos of the internet to help and educate. Thanks a bunch.
consumer risk, that is risk the hypothesis the jab is worth it is based on age, health, and mobility. and safety which data is years away from a useable consumer risk determination.
me: 70 yo fairly healthy 26 bmi view is shaded by home life where i live with a covidian, trump hating, biden voting karen. otherwise i would leave the jab.... i had it. and rely on the idea i have far less time to endure than a younger person.
on loosely note: the military clinic i use [being a retiree] will only carry moderna after 1 aug.... hmmmm.
"i’d love to see one study compare PCR+ vs PCR+ and symptoms to show a variance." YES! much needed.
Fantastic analysis. Bravo
Moderna trial split control group into 2. One half got pure saline, other half got Menningicocal vaccine which has a history of adverse reactions including death. I wonder if Pfizzer did the same.