1. Less than 1500 5-11 yo’s receiving an mRNA vaccine for the first time qualifies as a “safety” and efficacy study.
2. An 11 yo requires 1/3 the dose of an EUA therapeutic as a 12 year old.
3. We no longer need to use clinical endpoints in studies because the desired impact can’t be proven, and instead substitute lab titers as a proxy for a drug’s clinical effectiveness.
The use of clinical endpoints is so old-school, dare-I-say, pre-2020! Same with "proving the desired impact" or any other data-driven outcome. #TrustTheScience (TM)
The blatant disregard for evidence-based medicine has been stark through this whole process. The medical world has lost its collective mind! Those of us willing to look at data and challenge conclusions used to be celebrated. Now marginalized, even criminalized. Orwell was a genius.
While I love data and analysis, and even data analysis, I figure we can likely come to one conclusion now and use it going forward: Rule One: Pfizer is Pfull of Shit. Rule Two: When in doubt, or when presented with *any* additional data or narrative, refer to Rule One.
Let’s make Pfizer accept some/all of the liability for people who die or have to go to the hospital because of the vaccine for the 5-11 year olds. My guess is that they would not accept that offer. Then why is Pfizer and the government insisting on (multiple)shots for everyone. It’s my understanding in the UK that the vaccinated are getting the new virus more than the unvaccinated. If that is correct then the world has some real serious problems to get corrected!
Well, since 1986--in the U.S. at least--vaccine makers bear no liability for adverse effects. All liability is determined in "vaccine court" and all payouts, which are capped, are paid by the government. Given that scenario, Pfizer would be fools not to lobby, bribe, cajole, threaten, influence, or whatever else, to increase market penetration via regulatory capture. On the UK, you are correct AFAIK. Recent data--and I can probably dig it up if cmpalmer75 does not post it--shows that fully vaccinated and partially vaccinated are experiencing worse results, i.e., hospitalizations and deaths, than unvaccinated. (Or course, this is data, and by this point in the COVID-19 Dumpster Fire, everyone should realize that data is irrelevant.)
And then you have to factor in the effect of boosters to counter waning vaccine effectiveness. I can't believe we're having to discuss the ethics of this, it is beyond insane.
I wonder how they can determine the vax works in children 5-11, if that age group is practically at zero risk from covid. 2,268 looks way too small. And no mention of any possible long term effects.
I would rather let covid propagate among children (of course, keeping an eye for those who get really sick. Where are the treatments BTW?). They would probably develop much better immunity. But alas, seems a lot of vaxed adults are too scared. And to make sure children get jabbed, they might keep getting treated like this:
Is there a pre-pint of their trial anywhere? The study had only 2238 children overall, So that only 1119 in each arm. Plus assuming half were boys and half were girls, that means there were only 560 boys in each control arm. So how can they even make any conclusions based on so few kids and events especially for myocarditis that seems to affect somewhere from 1 out of 6400 to 1 out 20,000 boys? Seems like the study is grossly under powered.
I don't think these numbers for hospitalizations are correct. The data for that hospitalization chart only represents ~10% off the population and so the end result is probably off by about an order of magnitude.
"The Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) conducts population-based surveillance for laboratory-confirmed COVID-19-associated hospitalizations in children (persons younger than 18 years) and adults. The current network covers nearly 100 counties in the 10 Emerging Infections Program (EIP) states (CA, CO, CT, GA, MD, MN, NM, NY, OR, and TN) and four additional states through the Influenza Hospitalization Surveillance Project (IA, MI, OH, and UT). The network represents approximately 10% of US population (~32 million people)."
I made this same mistake when going over this dataset and didn't notice it until much later. I have an enormous amount of respect for the work at you are doing. Each post feels like one step closer to the truth and one step closer to sanity.
I would never put this vaccine in my kid- thank god she is an adult and is making her own decision to NOT PUT THIS SHOT INTO HER BODY! (but she's lost friends, been ostracized and criticized at work, and shunned by family members her own age)- she is sticking to her decision however and I am proud of her.
Why aren't you writing for the New York Times? Why aren't they begging you to write for them? Why isn't the FDA or the NIH using your stats to strike back at the pharmaceutical companies? Why is this daily dose of sanity not being posted everywhere on the internet? Is it that you haven't learned how to capitalize yet? Surely they have editors who could help. Cats have never been noted for capital letters.
Because el gato is a science-denying white supremacist, and they don't get invited to work at the NYT.
> Why isn't the FDA or the NIH using your stats to strike back at the pharmaceutical companies?
Because el gato is already on terrorist watch lists for spreading dangerous, criminal misinformation, and why on earth would the FDA or NIH "strike back at the pharmaceutical companies?" They're all on the same side- the good guys who will stop at nothing to protect your health.
I've seen so many vax injuries in previously healthy young people. As the mother of 17 and 19 year olds, I fear the worst. What will it take to stop this train wreck? The CDC-FDA-Pharma triumvirate seems to be invincible. Media is horribly complicit in this crime against humanity.
I hate to say it, but a bunch of kids dying in ways that are only attributable to the vaxx. That's the only thing that would stop this and see someone, probably not the right people, but SOMEONE paying for these crimes.
I would like to believe that they’ll be forced to present efficacy data for approval, but then I live in a state where 2 year olds must wear masks in day care despite 18 months of experience indicating that it is unnecessary. We are back to Upton Sinclair’s Jungle!
Due to the very light impact SARS II has on this age cohort the ONLY way a parent should consider vaccinating their kids is if it were a true sterilizing vaccine - and they are the kind, giving type, willing to risk their children to reduce spread. But, it's not. It doesn't. End of story.
Plus, none of them seem to question the narrative on msm. You must rely on the underground media: Odyssey. Telegram, Rumble, substack, etc. to be truly informed. Media is just another tool of pharma.
Correct. And there is a greater good to giving children at low-risk a sterilizing vaccine. The community benefits. That argument holds no weight with the vaccinated known to be shedding virus. It is simply the risk-benefit to the children themselves - and that is a non-starter based on all the data presented.
Excellent Article. I will add this to my library. I am probably going to have to quit my job and flee my state next year to try and escape the jab for my 11 year old. I am facing termination myself right now for not getting the jab. Great times.
it's absolutely fascinating living through this time. it will make a lengthy case study in authoritarianism if the "good guys" (spoiler: there will be no good guys) win.
Thanks so much to that Bad Cat for writing down what I surmised to be the case about a year ago. This debate on actual efficacy is the one we should be having (and I thought we'd have.) This piece is on what, though, actually happened with the whole child vax question. https://empathy.guru/2021/09/19/societal-narcissistic-inversion/
So, just to get this straight…..
1. Less than 1500 5-11 yo’s receiving an mRNA vaccine for the first time qualifies as a “safety” and efficacy study.
2. An 11 yo requires 1/3 the dose of an EUA therapeutic as a 12 year old.
3. We no longer need to use clinical endpoints in studies because the desired impact can’t be proven, and instead substitute lab titers as a proxy for a drug’s clinical effectiveness.
The use of clinical endpoints is so old-school, dare-I-say, pre-2020! Same with "proving the desired impact" or any other data-driven outcome. #TrustTheScience (TM)
The blatant disregard for evidence-based medicine has been stark through this whole process. The medical world has lost its collective mind! Those of us willing to look at data and challenge conclusions used to be celebrated. Now marginalized, even criminalized. Orwell was a genius.
But imagine how much funner sports will be when we just send some samples off to LabCorp to figure out the winner.
Those kids are getting so much social emotional learning. If they have a bad outcome, at least they'll be able to deal with it.
They will automatically qualify for victim status, having been the target of a genocidal pharma complex.
While I love data and analysis, and even data analysis, I figure we can likely come to one conclusion now and use it going forward: Rule One: Pfizer is Pfull of Shit. Rule Two: When in doubt, or when presented with *any* additional data or narrative, refer to Rule One.
Let’s make Pfizer accept some/all of the liability for people who die or have to go to the hospital because of the vaccine for the 5-11 year olds. My guess is that they would not accept that offer. Then why is Pfizer and the government insisting on (multiple)shots for everyone. It’s my understanding in the UK that the vaccinated are getting the new virus more than the unvaccinated. If that is correct then the world has some real serious problems to get corrected!
Well, since 1986--in the U.S. at least--vaccine makers bear no liability for adverse effects. All liability is determined in "vaccine court" and all payouts, which are capped, are paid by the government. Given that scenario, Pfizer would be fools not to lobby, bribe, cajole, threaten, influence, or whatever else, to increase market penetration via regulatory capture. On the UK, you are correct AFAIK. Recent data--and I can probably dig it up if cmpalmer75 does not post it--shows that fully vaccinated and partially vaccinated are experiencing worse results, i.e., hospitalizations and deaths, than unvaccinated. (Or course, this is data, and by this point in the COVID-19 Dumpster Fire, everyone should realize that data is irrelevant.)
Children do not need these vaxxines.
This isn't about personal health or public health or the greater good.
It’s driven by the teacher’s unions, jab the kids to “protect the teachers”. Sacrificial lambs, as it were.
These people are MONSTERS!
And then you have to factor in the effect of boosters to counter waning vaccine effectiveness. I can't believe we're having to discuss the ethics of this, it is beyond insane.
I wonder how they can determine the vax works in children 5-11, if that age group is practically at zero risk from covid. 2,268 looks way too small. And no mention of any possible long term effects.
I would rather let covid propagate among children (of course, keeping an eye for those who get really sick. Where are the treatments BTW?). They would probably develop much better immunity. But alas, seems a lot of vaxed adults are too scared. And to make sure children get jabbed, they might keep getting treated like this:
https://twitter.com/456trainMama/status/1439209826668658688
Oh, and Fauci seems to be out there lying again:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/09/20/did-fauci-really-say-more-kids-have-died-of-covid-than-the-flu-n2596123
Where are the treatments? Oh, silly kitty. Treatments are superstitious things your grandma did because she didn’t know better. We’re modern now.
Christine stabell Benn wrote a wonderful piece here. ( should covid be a childhood disease or vaccination disease.
https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1687/rr-8
A great article, thanks for sharing!
the covidians would throw your kids in to baal if the big pharma media said so.....
say no!
Because they are so brainwashed they believe the vaccines has no illl effects but corona will kill all children.
They are.
Is there a pre-pint of their trial anywhere? The study had only 2238 children overall, So that only 1119 in each arm. Plus assuming half were boys and half were girls, that means there were only 560 boys in each control arm. So how can they even make any conclusions based on so few kids and events especially for myocarditis that seems to affect somewhere from 1 out of 6400 to 1 out 20,000 boys? Seems like the study is grossly under powered.
the 12-17 trial had aprox 1250 in control and vax arm each. Horrendous sample size for rare adverse events.
or, perhaps, sized to make them impossible to find in any stat sig fashion?
take it from someone who has helped design a number of drug trials: pfizer does not "make mistakes" they make choices.
if the trial makes it impossible to see something, it's because pfizer does not want it seen.
but hey, what's cutting a few corners on safety. it's just your children...
I don't think these numbers for hospitalizations are correct. The data for that hospitalization chart only represents ~10% off the population and so the end result is probably off by about an order of magnitude.
"The Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) conducts population-based surveillance for laboratory-confirmed COVID-19-associated hospitalizations in children (persons younger than 18 years) and adults. The current network covers nearly 100 counties in the 10 Emerging Infections Program (EIP) states (CA, CO, CT, GA, MD, MN, NM, NY, OR, and TN) and four additional states through the Influenza Hospitalization Surveillance Project (IA, MI, OH, and UT). The network represents approximately 10% of US population (~32 million people)."
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html
The AAP reports 18,479 hospitalizations from 23 states, which also coincides with about an order of magnitude adjustment.
https://downloads.aap.org/AAP/PDF/AAP%20and%20CHA%20-%20Children%20and%20COVID-19%20State%20Data%20Report%209.9%20FINAL.pdf
Still a super bad number for the vaccine, but is likely closer to 8.8x vs 88x
ah, this is a good point and a good catch.
will adjust to reflect. thank you.
data now adjusted. gave you a shout out at the top. appreciate it. this is the peer review we ALL need. please keep it coming.
I made this same mistake when going over this dataset and didn't notice it until much later. I have an enormous amount of respect for the work at you are doing. Each post feels like one step closer to the truth and one step closer to sanity.
Yes, this is what I was looking at, so was wondering if it was hospitalizations per million in the age group with a positive test.
I would never put this vaccine in my kid- thank god she is an adult and is making her own decision to NOT PUT THIS SHOT INTO HER BODY! (but she's lost friends, been ostracized and criticized at work, and shunned by family members her own age)- she is sticking to her decision however and I am proud of her.
Why aren't you writing for the New York Times? Why aren't they begging you to write for them? Why isn't the FDA or the NIH using your stats to strike back at the pharmaceutical companies? Why is this daily dose of sanity not being posted everywhere on the internet? Is it that you haven't learned how to capitalize yet? Surely they have editors who could help. Cats have never been noted for capital letters.
blech.
who would want to work someplace like that?
I was about to say - dont insult the man!
> Why aren't you writing for the New York Times?
Because el gato is a science-denying white supremacist, and they don't get invited to work at the NYT.
> Why isn't the FDA or the NIH using your stats to strike back at the pharmaceutical companies?
Because el gato is already on terrorist watch lists for spreading dangerous, criminal misinformation, and why on earth would the FDA or NIH "strike back at the pharmaceutical companies?" They're all on the same side- the good guys who will stop at nothing to protect your health.
Don't you realize that the CDC, FDA and NIH are beholden to Big Pharma?
This is about to get very interesting and very tragic.
I've seen so many vax injuries in previously healthy young people. As the mother of 17 and 19 year olds, I fear the worst. What will it take to stop this train wreck? The CDC-FDA-Pharma triumvirate seems to be invincible. Media is horribly complicit in this crime against humanity.
I hate to say it, but a bunch of kids dying in ways that are only attributable to the vaxx. That's the only thing that would stop this and see someone, probably not the right people, but SOMEONE paying for these crimes.
I agree. Probably as they roll out the toxic jabs onto the 5-11 year olds. 😪
I would like to believe that they’ll be forced to present efficacy data for approval, but then I live in a state where 2 year olds must wear masks in day care despite 18 months of experience indicating that it is unnecessary. We are back to Upton Sinclair’s Jungle!
This is why. https://empathy.guru/2021/09/19/societal-narcissistic-inversion/
Due to the very light impact SARS II has on this age cohort the ONLY way a parent should consider vaccinating their kids is if it were a true sterilizing vaccine - and they are the kind, giving type, willing to risk their children to reduce spread. But, it's not. It doesn't. End of story.
I've often wondered what kind of parent would have their kid participate in such a study.
Me too. One has to be panic ridden and have blind trust vaccines never cause harm I suppose.
Plus, none of them seem to question the narrative on msm. You must rely on the underground media: Odyssey. Telegram, Rumble, substack, etc. to be truly informed. Media is just another tool of pharma.
I know a few.
Correct. And there is a greater good to giving children at low-risk a sterilizing vaccine. The community benefits. That argument holds no weight with the vaccinated known to be shedding virus. It is simply the risk-benefit to the children themselves - and that is a non-starter based on all the data presented.
Excellent Article. I will add this to my library. I am probably going to have to quit my job and flee my state next year to try and escape the jab for my 11 year old. I am facing termination myself right now for not getting the jab. Great times.
it's absolutely fascinating living through this time. it will make a lengthy case study in authoritarianism if the "good guys" (spoiler: there will be no good guys) win.
Thanks so much to that Bad Cat for writing down what I surmised to be the case about a year ago. This debate on actual efficacy is the one we should be having (and I thought we'd have.) This piece is on what, though, actually happened with the whole child vax question. https://empathy.guru/2021/09/19/societal-narcissistic-inversion/