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That's why the measles vaccine is, for the most part, a matter of personal choice. However, measles itself is infinitely more deadly for children than the vaccine, and part of the problem with modern vaccines is they try to pack too many diseases in one. They are much safer if taken individually. And, yes, I'd rather my parents gave me the measles vaccine, like they did, than my risk being blinded or become deaf, only a few of the long-term effects of actually coming down with measles. We forget how deadly and damaging those diseases were because we haven't dealt with them on any large scale. And as for therapeutics, the old adage is the best: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

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I don't know anyone in my generation that *didn't* have the measles. There were no magical "shots" for measles back then and after having them, not only does it develop immunity from ever getting them again (except in VERY rare cases), but from what I've read, also provides protection from other diseases as well! We used to live long, full, healthy lives without shots. My grandmother who died at 102 just a couple years ago NEVER had a vaccine for anything. (Except some antibiotics when she was very old for an infected cut from working in her yard).

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Indeed ! My dad at 87 has never been sick in his life. 2 years ago he had a minor internal bleeding and they did a colonoscopy, just to be sure (reassure him), and that was the first time he was in the hospital other than to visit. 15 years of flu shots and now these, but never had any other but smallpox and probably polio which were obligatory at the time

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My mother had all of those childhood illnesses, and she is fine. But you know what she did as soon as she had children? She vaccinated us. Why? Because she knew how miserable the diseases were and she knew of people who were harmed or killed by them. The problem with our world today is we look back with nostalgia. Yes, my great grandparents who died in the 1930s were both in the nineties when they died. Were they typical for their generation? Walk through the graveyards and do the math. There's a reason why the life expectancy was so low. Many people didn't make it past childhood. These illnesses were part of the reason why. It doesn't matter what your personal experience was, or your great grandparents. Overall, vaccines have been a lifesaver.

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We used to have chicken pox parties so that many children would become infected at the same time and “get it over with”.

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Do you have shingles parties now?

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From all the testimonies I have seen and heard from vaccine damaged or dead children's parents, none of them would agree. I think most parents did not know vaccines can kill and hurt as well. One mother of 6 vaccinated her first. The second got damaged. The other 4 she refused to vaccinate. The first was constantly ill. The other 4 were healthy as can be. The mother of 4 that I know vaccinated until the damage occurred. that was the end for her, too. I am reading Dr Humphries Dissolving Illusions. Until now I thought some diseases were iradicated by vaccines, but I was wrong. The least a doctor could do is 1. tell the truth - vaccines are not completely covering and not completely safe, 2. offer the SINGLE vaccines instead of the all in one. I know from a doctor that the measles vaccine as a single was safer and covered better, than the mixture they give now.

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And, yes, the single doses were much safer, but if you worry about it, you can ask for single dose vaccines, just like you can ask for a refrigerated single dose flu shot. It's about being educated. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.

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In my entire life, I've only met one person who had any long lasting damage from a childhood vaccine. I have met many people, of course older, who faced lifelong consequences from polio, including one who spent a good chunk of time in an iron lung. I am not against mandates because I think everyone should gauge their own risk tolerance, but given the sheer number of people I know who have had all the vaccines (which is quite literally everyone around me) and that I've only come across one that was harmed by a vaccine, I'll stick with the conclusion that, in general, the older vaccines are safe and well worth the minimal risk.

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Missing so far from this discussion is the fact that most, if not all, of the old-fashioned vaccines, certainly those that proved highly successful, were developed using old-fashioned science, trial and error and years -- not months -- of Phase 3 testing in large populations to prove (relative) safety. Compare that with the current crop of Covid-19 jabs, which not only were not tested except for a few months on small, especially healthy populations but also, in the case of mRNA have almost no human testing of any type at all prior to that. There is simply no long term proofs of even efficacy, let alone safety. And as each day goes by the red flags continue to pop up but they are censored as "misinformation." Ominous.

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You're not going to get any argument from me. As I stated before, I get headaches from both extremes. Not all vaccines are equally good, nor are all vaccines equally bad, and how this one is made is the real cause for concern, especially since the "experts" deny what right is in front of our faces, that it causes problems immediately. If we can't get them to admit that, we have little hope that they will admit if it causes problems down the road.

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No measles is not deadly. You are misinformed. Growing up, everyone in my household, class, school, neighbourhood had measles, and I don't know of a single fatality or even a hospitalization. If it was "infinitely" more deadly than the vaccine, surely I would've heard or read about *someone* dying of the measle. Instead, everybody, including myself and my brother and sister stayed in bed "sick" for a week, then we were back at it like usual. Childhood illness like the measles fortify and develop your immune system and by preventing these largely innocuous diseases from taking hold in kids, you're literally setting them up for a lifelong chronic condition in many cases.

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In 2016, 104 people had died from the measles vaccine since 2000. Measles itself has a death rate of 1 or 2 in 1000. (https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_deaths_from_vaccination_outnumber_deaths_caused_by_measles) You do the math. How many MMR shots do we give out to children every year? Yes, the measles vaccine saves lives. This is the problem. One one side, I have to deal with the all vaccines are perfect crowd, so we can't question any vaccine, including a rushed one that is definitely costing lives. And then on the other, I have to deal with people who think every vaccine is bad, even though we have clearly been saving people, in particular children, with these vaccines. Both groups give me a migraine.

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Yes, I have done the math. I also have had measles. The math is clear: by the time the measles vaccine was rolled out in 1963, mortality from measles already had declined from 13.3 per 100K to .2 per 100K. Interestingly, 15 years after the vaccine was rolled out, young adults started getting measles again. We effectively became naturally immune, and then undid the decades of humoral immune system progress, by a mass vaccination campaign.

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I think you are right. Of course it might be other strands of measles but if you are naturally immune through former sickness, your system adjusts. Vaccine immunity does not. I also read that mothers who had immunity give this to their babies, so that they are protected until about 1 year of age and have their own immune system. That makes the sickness less dangerous, too, I would think.

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I am 71. Measles, The Mumps, and Chicken Pox were expected childhood rite of passage for us. Normal and no big deal. When Polio Vaccine campaign occurred, I remember being in a line, anxiously walking past a table with a large pile of glass and steel empty injections in an atmosphere that reeked of alcohol. I dreaded “shots” but my father herded us kids through the gauntlet because “it was necessary” and then it was done. Afterward, I turned and saw, to my amazement, he was himself not taking the shot!!! He seemed, after assuring us, to be afraid of it! LOL!!! A critical crack in my respect for authority that has only grown since then! Especially lately. Fundamentally, there is clearly a process of disinformation going on with “the statistics.” Therefore, RUN!!! So much for “risk assessment!” Figure it out, to be sure, but do it while you are running and warning everyone to RUN. That is my take. I am here hoping to see comments I saw yesterday. One was about the death (murder?) of a whistleblower chemist about GrapheNE Hydroxide in Germany. The other was some analysis of VAERS data which shows that only certain batches produced quick injuries/deaths and those batches were released by all three producers in a way that shows they were cooperating with each other and doing lethal dose testing. The video about this was on newtube. I think that it might have been done by the Great Dr. Michael Yeadon, who is a world hero for the exposure he has done already.

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Dr. Andreas Noack was the graphine hydroxide doctor who allegedly was just murdered. He was also the one who was raided by a SWAT team during a livestream. https://www.bitchute.com/video/yaAo6J92Kxp1/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/YuLTNsxBKYur/

Here's Dr. Yeadon's analysis of the 5% hot-shots- https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/11/01/dr-mike-yeadon-just-when-you-though-things-couldnt-get-any-worse/

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Thanks. I saw that raid but have not seen the rest of the story get filled in yet. Something about he was giving medical aid to people at a demonstration? I saw his presentation calling out some officials by name on the grapheNE hydroxide, which he had done his doctorate in specifically and was possibly the most knowledgeable authority in the world. He said the stuff was extremely sharp one atom thickness) so it would cut like a razor in the bloodstream. He speculated that the athletes were going down a lot because their blood was circulating so fast. He said that toxicologists would not be able to spot it because they were not looking for it and the nano-particles are too small for their usual inspection instruments to see. So there is a short list of people who have the motive- means-opportunity to pull this off. Thus maybe his sudden death?

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I will run with you ! Enough shots for me !

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I think if there is something to heal with, that is better than a vaccine. None of them cover fully and none of them are fully safe. That is why one should decide for oneself to take them or leave them. As for measles etc. I know they are far more dangerous when you are adult. So you could get in the middle and say, everyone who did not get measles by age 18, might want to get vaccinated. That sounds more reasonable than vaxx all and everyone, risking death or harm without a sickness.

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You know the best cure for your migraine? Letting patients and parents of patients to decide for themselves and their children. If they ask for your advice, give it.

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If you would read (I know that's difficult), you would see that I am anti-mandates. And people like you, who won't read, give me a bigger migraine. And don't come in conversations like this not expecting people to give opinions. Something else that gives me a migraine.

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Haha. Yes reading is so difficult. But maybe it is just misunderstanding of tone. It doesn't matter which side of vax you fall on as a doc. If you wish to not be plagued with headaches, you don't get overly invested in the decision of each patient no? You, as an anti-mandater should allow yourself that arm's distance (versus getting all migrainy as we dunces might say) and allow those plebes to sort it for themselves. If they can read and process it that is. Cuz... we dum.

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Yes, reading seems to be difficult for you. We were having a discussion about the efficacy of vaccines in general. I nowhere made mention of what I thought anyone else should do or be made to do. They claimed the vaccines in general are not effective and do more harm than good. I took issue with that based on empirical and statistical evidence, not to mention the fact that we don't have children dying of things like diphtheria and polio anymore, at least not in this country. So while I won't call you "dum," I will say that you perhaps need to do a bit more listening and a little less reacting.

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Who has the migraines from "listening to people". You or me?

Yeh.

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Well, I suppose, if like you, I didn't actually take the time to listen to people, I'd avoid a migraine too. Thanks for the miracle cure.

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I'm listening to you and that is most challenging. So, yeah. You're welcome. Pity your patients.

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When I was a child, all children got the measles. At the time we were not vaccinated. I was born premature and had all these diseases yet I am still here and 64 now. I remember Pertussis being very bad. Measles? Yes I was sick for a week and had fever. And then it was over. In the meanwhile mom cooked my favorite dishes and I got to stay home from school for a week. I know no one in our whole school who got deaf or blind or died.

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I'm 72 and got the measles at about 6. I was sick enough that I still remember it, but no ill effect afterwards. I also got mumps and chicken pox at some point, it was very common in the 1950's as this was before the vaccines. I do remember being very fearful of polio as we often saw photos of people in iron lungs, and the idea of that frightened me no end. I remember taking the polio vaccine via a sugar cube at some point, but don't know how old I was. As for pertussis, in 1985 a good friend's baby girl got the pertussis shot, and shortly afterwards she started having seizures. She ended up very brain damaged and was never normal after that. Her parents participated in a huge lawsuit against the vaccine manufacturer as it was determined to be bad batches of the vaccine that caused the damage. I believe a lot of children were involved and a lot of money was paid out. My son was born a year after this, and I didn't want to get him vaccinated with DPT for that reason.

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Thank you for your testimony ! I am reading Dr Suzanne Humphries book on vaccines and their unsafety, and I just read in the news an outbreak of mumps is going on, almost all vaccinated. The measles outbreak a few years ago also hit a lot of vaccinated children. Vaccines are NOT safe and NOT effective. You made the right choice !

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I've previously gotten flu shots in the past, but never again! Also, I know an 80 year old man who got the flu shot last year but he got the flu anyway, and he said he was terribly sick, the worst ever.

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I know of a few like that. Several people report that after vaxxing the flu is worse than when they had it before.

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This is a wrong way to utilize statistics imo. Yes, if they are accurate, then the vaccine is less harmful than the disease. But who gets sick? The weak, the unlucky. Who are we harming with the vaccine? Everybody. The weak, the strong, the sick and the healthy. A healthy individual will not be damaged by the disease, but he will certainly be damaged in some way when he gets a injection which contains various poisons. That is the difference between God and Man.

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Healthy individuals were damaged by diseases that we vaccinate against: polio (obvious), mumps (sterilized many men), measles (yes, it did cause blindness and deafness). I'm not for vaccine mandates, but to suggest that vaccines are a net negative or even a net neutral is ridiculous. Our infant/childhood mortality rate has plummeted, and it is partially because of vaccines. You can try to spin that however you like, but what ends up happening is you now make the people that we might have been able to convince to treat the COVID vaccine, which is dangerous, warily look at us and laugh. Vaccines *are* a miracle of modern medicine; to gain immunity at a fraction of the risk is a wonder. To suggest otherwise is to play into the hands of those ridiculing us for being skeptical of the COVID vaccine.

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Polio was caused by DDT I think. Then they made up the vaccine to hide that fact. It seems many if not all of these diseases are the result of poison in the early industrial age, before they understood the dangers. They just won't admit to it. Better to blame diseases and cigarettes.

Infant mortality vanished when they started washing hands. It's a very illustrative story I think. The male doctors didn't wash, taught not to. But the nuns did, being less "educated" and with more common sense. Their child care unit had vastly less incidences of infant mortality.

A guy noticed this, a doctor. He tried it at his own hospital with great success. However what did the Medical Community do? Shut him down, called him names, took his license. Until the truth became too overpowering to ignore.

So I'd be vary believing anything from the medical community. Including the efficacy of those old "tried and tested" vaccines.

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Polio was around before DDT, and "infant mortality" includes deaths up to one year of age, long after they leave the hospital. Infants actually have very health immune systems as they get all the antibodies from their mother. The mother's had more to fear from a doctor's dirty hands than newborns did.

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DDT was made in 1874, first polio outbreak was 1894. Other pesticides also existed before that time. The timeline is curious isn't? They started regulating pesticides in the 1950s at the same time we saw a drastic reductions in polio and small pox. By the 70s total bans on the worst pesticides had been enacted and at the same time both diseases were declared eradicated. Not quite though, the vaccines still cause damage they just give it other names like cerebral palsy and MS.

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It was first synthesized in 1874. It was not turned into an insecticide until 1939. Polio has existed for thousands of years. You're right about the outbreaks, but that could be from a mutation that made it more transmissible. By the 70s we also had both the smallpox and polio vaccines and they were widespread. My mother was born in 1939. No one around her was dying of smallpox because inoculation was common and had been since the 1800s, though it was a riskier inoculation than most today. Smallpox was pretty much eradicated in the developed world. The last known case was in the late 1970s. Polio is not eradicated and still shows up, coincidentally, where vaccines are less utilized.

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*mothers

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Amen to that

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