she is not the first domino, just a highly visible one. the first domino was the ability to start mocking these people. the second was "those who pay" waking up and starting to put the hurt on the universities by saying "i'm not funding this garbage." ms gay is not even a cause, she's a symptom. the huge rise against and discrediting of …
she is not the first domino, just a highly visible one. the first domino was the ability to start mocking these people. the second was "those who pay" waking up and starting to put the hurt on the universities by saying "i'm not funding this garbage." ms gay is not even a cause, she's a symptom. the huge rise against and discrediting of her is a sign that the societal immune system is kicking in. woke has survived as an ableine paradox. as the gaslighting ends, it will change faster than many seem to suspect. it was never popular outside of some small circles.
I agree. BUT imo I think we will divide into little California's and Florida's, at first, before the progressive puritans realize they don't have to use a poop map to navigate Ocean Drive in Miami but do on Van Ness Ave in San Francisco.
there will be bastions that go through one more round of rarefication as they sequester themselves and pursue some sort of fully recursive ideological singularity, but they are going to find themselves ever more isolated and the absurdity of the positions they will need to adopt to sustain the some form of dissonance dodging internal coherence will push past exotic into outright self-parody.
the whole thing has crossed lines of unpopularity and ridiculousness from which it cannot recover.
too many saw, too many laughed, and the impervious integument was pierced.
this is just mop up now. will take time, but the outcome is already forgone.
If only we could help people to connect, let's say, the complete hypocrisy of the way the upper crust in Martha's Vineyard "welcomed" the illegals and the complete lawlessness of allowing 730k illegals to enter our country since October.
I'm still having a hard time with that amongst my liberal friends/colleagues.
I always suggest a sponsorship program whereby open-borders people take in 5 illegal immigrants and are responsible for their housing, food, clothing, education, and healthcare, and are also liable for any crimes they might commit. People balk at that for some reason.
I suggested something like that to a psychiatrist my wife knows from her earlier career, when we attended a fancy function over a decade ago.
"So when you sign off on a pedophile being safe to release into society, I think he should go live with the one signing him out for a year first."
I honestly thought he'd try to jump me then and there, he was that outraged over me "Making a mockery of the confidence people should have in his profession" (in swedish the "should" would be an imperative, mind).
They used to force butchers and bakers eat their own product in olden days, whenver there was doubt about the product. We need to bring that kind of rules, laws and thinking back I think.
OK, but what do you say to those of us who support open borders in libertarian, not leftist, terms? That is, what about the argument that Adam Smith's "invisible hand" or Friedrich Hayek's "spontaneous order" can be trusted to guide the voluntary movement of human beings across borders as well as the voluntary acts of buyers and sellers in a free market?
Nobody can know how many is too many, just as nobody can know better than a free market how to distribute resources. The Smithian-Hayekian argument is essentially a call for intellectual humility on that point, and a call for trust in the self-regulation of complex systems. Republicans in the Reagan era were better at holding to that small-government principle on the subject of immigration than Republicans in the Trump era are.
Mass-migration via open borders means extinction and genocide for peoples like mine.
There are about 8 500 000 swedes on planet Earth.
There are hundreds of millions of arabs. There's over one and a half billion of black africans.
Guess what free movement does to smaller people letting more proliferate groups into their territory.
Your Smiths and Hayeks didn't talk about race and culture; all their arguments apply solely to "white" cultures and peoples of the time of writing, which is why they cannot be applied universally. You cannot discount race/kultur.
I don't think you mean that your libertarian principles trumps our right to our ancestral territory, culture and very lives.
the problem with free migration is that's it's free.
It should cost a lot to enter a decent country!
They trillions spent in historical infrastructure.
The enormous social wealth from a high trust reciprocal culture.
Not costing for these is an effective subsidy and that's collected by the establishment via increased rents and lower wage bill. Which is why stopping the obvious harm of mass low quality migrants is much harder than it should be.
Are we talking about not vetting people who cross into our country? That they should be able to come and go without us knowing who they are?
We're a sovereign nation and get to decide who comes in. If there's a check in place, then I'm leaning your way. I'd also want us to be able to set limits on how many come in. We, as a sovereign nation, get to decide how many is too many.
If I understand correctly, passports were not even a thing until as recently as the First World War. If people freely crossed borders until that recently, why shouldn't they do so now?
As for "How many is too many?", please see my reply to Ryan Gardner when he asked the same question.
People didn't move freely across border pre WW1. In most places you actually needed internal passports and/or visible means of support, letters of recommendation, and so on to be allowed to leave in the first place, let alone be allowed to settle in a new region or nation.
Identity-papers of some kind was most definitely a "thing" back then. Check up on Ellis Island procedures for europeans coming to the US - the vetting there would be called extreme today, and everyone who came there had been pre-vetted by the shipping company transporting them across the Atlantic.
Oh the sponsor should also top up the migrants tax to an average wage as low wages harm productivity and boost rents. So those negatives also need to be priced into the migrant costs.
Ohhhh yes! That one I've used when talking about prison, early release and such.
"How many times do I get to steal your car?" was the version I used.
My colleagues went perfectly rabid at the very idea that you should talk about crime as a real thing affecting a real person in a real way, not just an abstracted far-away political issue decided on principles.
Hence the time-tested adage that a liberal is simply a conservative who hasn't yet been mugged. The Leftoids don't care about the catastrophic rise is crime, even violent crime, so long as the victims are white and not anyone they know or are related to. Crime being nature's way of offsetting all those decades of White Privilege and all.
Consider how many of the "defunders" who have recently been carjacked and are now suddenly calling for more police. "But it happened to *me*!!!!"
Jesus. Imagine a crazed White person screaming "I want all Black people dead", then stabbing two random Black teens? It would be the summer of St. George all over again.
'"Any time you have incidents in these high-profile locations it sends the feeling of people don't feel safe and that's why we have to zero in and make the arrest as soon as possible and make sure we get those repeated offenders off our streets," Adams said.'
Right. Make an arrest as soon a possible, just so my bro' Alvin can put him back on the street in an hour.
Maybe the Biff Tannen-method could get through? Hell-ooo! McFly? Anybody home?
There's a wonderful scene in Starship Troopers (the book) where Rico is asked "how many" in the context of POWs. How many POWs in concentration camps is one too many?
A friend at work was going on about Trump's "banning Muslims" back in the day. "Why are y'all afraid of women and children?" I said, "We could relocate them to Laurel, Maryland, where you live." "Wait a minute..." and he abruptly ended the convo.
No. I just don't have a choice. Some are family as well.
I'm still close enough with a few of my friends in college to give them shit. But I've also lost several friends during covid. They could not handle the truth:
Anyone who has dared to question the official narratives has lost friends and family recently. Consider it a favor from them to you to no longer be burdening you with their fantasy worldview. Life is too short and too precious to be wasted arguing with Kool Aid drinkers.
Yes, migration to hopefully less crazy & tyrannical places. CA just continues to devolve - now instead of Amber Alerts they’re imposing Ebony Alerts in 2024 for the missing person of color! I kid you not- true.
Gato - Flippin Jersey is on to the malodorous stench, as this will not change much at high cost brainwashing mills. Because there's a bigger picture than "woke" which runs far deeper, and has been going on far longer. Subversion, inversion, perversion and conversion of institutions and government can take generations. The "brand" invasion will not be abandoned overnight because of a minor setback, which will be swept under the rug. When elite sociopaths are providing the corporate and endowment trust funding for education, government agencies, judges and politicians, its an all you can eat buffet of Whores d'Oeuvres Mr. Mulder. https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/free-for-me-but-not-for-thee/comment/45697320
she is not the first domino, just a highly visible one. the first domino was the ability to start mocking these people. the second was "those who pay" waking up and starting to put the hurt on the universities by saying "i'm not funding this garbage." ms gay is not even a cause, she's a symptom. the huge rise against and discrediting of her is a sign that the societal immune system is kicking in. woke has survived as an ableine paradox. as the gaslighting ends, it will change faster than many seem to suspect. it was never popular outside of some small circles.
I agree. BUT imo I think we will divide into little California's and Florida's, at first, before the progressive puritans realize they don't have to use a poop map to navigate Ocean Drive in Miami but do on Van Ness Ave in San Francisco.
That's going to take a little time.
indeed.
there will be bastions that go through one more round of rarefication as they sequester themselves and pursue some sort of fully recursive ideological singularity, but they are going to find themselves ever more isolated and the absurdity of the positions they will need to adopt to sustain the some form of dissonance dodging internal coherence will push past exotic into outright self-parody.
the whole thing has crossed lines of unpopularity and ridiculousness from which it cannot recover.
too many saw, too many laughed, and the impervious integument was pierced.
this is just mop up now. will take time, but the outcome is already forgone.
Yeah. I hear you.
If only we could help people to connect, let's say, the complete hypocrisy of the way the upper crust in Martha's Vineyard "welcomed" the illegals and the complete lawlessness of allowing 730k illegals to enter our country since October.
I'm still having a hard time with that amongst my liberal friends/colleagues.
Asking: "So how many of them are you willing to put up and pay for?" really drives it home.
Kills the mood, of course. Will get you hateful glares and baleful stares.
I always suggest a sponsorship program whereby open-borders people take in 5 illegal immigrants and are responsible for their housing, food, clothing, education, and healthcare, and are also liable for any crimes they might commit. People balk at that for some reason.
I suggested something like that to a psychiatrist my wife knows from her earlier career, when we attended a fancy function over a decade ago.
"So when you sign off on a pedophile being safe to release into society, I think he should go live with the one signing him out for a year first."
I honestly thought he'd try to jump me then and there, he was that outraged over me "Making a mockery of the confidence people should have in his profession" (in swedish the "should" would be an imperative, mind).
They used to force butchers and bakers eat their own product in olden days, whenver there was doubt about the product. We need to bring that kind of rules, laws and thinking back I think.
A Traditional Chinese Medicine friend of mine told me that, back in the day in China, you didn't pay the doctor UNLESS you got well.
Exactly.
You should pay for medicine via an escrow account.
only if you're alive in 5 years the pharma company gets your money.
What if you are very sick from big pharma's drugs but not dead?
https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/the-big-pharma-health-business-model
I avoid big pharma like the plague.
Similarly Judges should know that bail hostels and inmates released from prison should be housed near their families.
Brilliant
Exactly
OK, but what do you say to those of us who support open borders in libertarian, not leftist, terms? That is, what about the argument that Adam Smith's "invisible hand" or Friedrich Hayek's "spontaneous order" can be trusted to guide the voluntary movement of human beings across borders as well as the voluntary acts of buyers and sellers in a free market?
How many is too many?
I'm all about libertarian ideals, but not at the expense of the sovereignty of We The People.
Nobody can know how many is too many, just as nobody can know better than a free market how to distribute resources. The Smithian-Hayekian argument is essentially a call for intellectual humility on that point, and a call for trust in the self-regulation of complex systems. Republicans in the Reagan era were better at holding to that small-government principle on the subject of immigration than Republicans in the Trump era are.
Mass-migration via open borders means extinction and genocide for peoples like mine.
There are about 8 500 000 swedes on planet Earth.
There are hundreds of millions of arabs. There's over one and a half billion of black africans.
Guess what free movement does to smaller people letting more proliferate groups into their territory.
Your Smiths and Hayeks didn't talk about race and culture; all their arguments apply solely to "white" cultures and peoples of the time of writing, which is why they cannot be applied universally. You cannot discount race/kultur.
I don't think you mean that your libertarian principles trumps our right to our ancestral territory, culture and very lives.
the problem with free migration is that's it's free.
It should cost a lot to enter a decent country!
They trillions spent in historical infrastructure.
The enormous social wealth from a high trust reciprocal culture.
Not costing for these is an effective subsidy and that's collected by the establishment via increased rents and lower wage bill. Which is why stopping the obvious harm of mass low quality migrants is much harder than it should be.
"our" politicians are not ours.
Are we talking about not vetting people who cross into our country? That they should be able to come and go without us knowing who they are?
We're a sovereign nation and get to decide who comes in. If there's a check in place, then I'm leaning your way. I'd also want us to be able to set limits on how many come in. We, as a sovereign nation, get to decide how many is too many.
If I understand correctly, passports were not even a thing until as recently as the First World War. If people freely crossed borders until that recently, why shouldn't they do so now?
As for "How many is too many?", please see my reply to Ryan Gardner when he asked the same question.
People didn't move freely across border pre WW1. In most places you actually needed internal passports and/or visible means of support, letters of recommendation, and so on to be allowed to leave in the first place, let alone be allowed to settle in a new region or nation.
Identity-papers of some kind was most definitely a "thing" back then. Check up on Ellis Island procedures for europeans coming to the US - the vetting there would be called extreme today, and everyone who came there had been pre-vetted by the shipping company transporting them across the Atlantic.
Adam Smith was a "Georgist/GeoLibertarian" and as such would tax the land-title and not incomes.
This would tend to up the price of migration leading to less migration.
He was also a plagiarist who stole the pin factory anecdote from Persian medieval writers.
Oh the sponsor should also top up the migrants tax to an average wage as low wages harm productivity and boost rents. So those negatives also need to be priced into the migrant costs.
How many is too many? works as well
Ohhhh yes! That one I've used when talking about prison, early release and such.
"How many times do I get to steal your car?" was the version I used.
My colleagues went perfectly rabid at the very idea that you should talk about crime as a real thing affecting a real person in a real way, not just an abstracted far-away political issue decided on principles.
Hence the time-tested adage that a liberal is simply a conservative who hasn't yet been mugged. The Leftoids don't care about the catastrophic rise is crime, even violent crime, so long as the victims are white and not anyone they know or are related to. Crime being nature's way of offsetting all those decades of White Privilege and all.
Consider how many of the "defunders" who have recently been carjacked and are now suddenly calling for more police. "But it happened to *me*!!!!"
Case in point:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-teenage-girls-stabbed-inside-grand-central-christmas-man-allegedly-wanted-white-people-dead
Jesus. Imagine a crazed White person screaming "I want all Black people dead", then stabbing two random Black teens? It would be the summer of St. George all over again.
'"Any time you have incidents in these high-profile locations it sends the feeling of people don't feel safe and that's why we have to zero in and make the arrest as soon as possible and make sure we get those repeated offenders off our streets," Adams said.'
Right. Make an arrest as soon a possible, just so my bro' Alvin can put him back on the street in an hour.
bro' Alvin!
Thx for that
BLANK STARE...
Maybe the Biff Tannen-method could get through? Hell-ooo! McFly? Anybody home?
There's a wonderful scene in Starship Troopers (the book) where Rico is asked "how many" in the context of POWs. How many POWs in concentration camps is one too many?
Lol. I like
What I don't get is that if this is true - people getting dsick of the woke - then why don't recent election results reflect this?
A friend at work was going on about Trump's "banning Muslims" back in the day. "Why are y'all afraid of women and children?" I said, "We could relocate them to Laurel, Maryland, where you live." "Wait a minute..." and he abruptly ended the convo.
He probably walked away in self-righteous indignation.
That's been my experience in similar situations
Ryan G, you dare speak of these things with the indoctrinated, wow! I am silent, too cowardly or more likely tired.
No. I just don't have a choice. Some are family as well.
I'm still close enough with a few of my friends in college to give them shit. But I've also lost several friends during covid. They could not handle the truth:
That what happened was WRONG.
oh well
Anyone who has dared to question the official narratives has lost friends and family recently. Consider it a favor from them to you to no longer be burdening you with their fantasy worldview. Life is too short and too precious to be wasted arguing with Kool Aid drinkers.
Exactly!
Agree. Burdened loosed
Hope so. People still defend Barry and Killary.
Yes, migration to hopefully less crazy & tyrannical places. CA just continues to devolve - now instead of Amber Alerts they’re imposing Ebony Alerts in 2024 for the missing person of color! I kid you not- true.
Geez Louise. It so bizarre to me that I have friends I've known my entire adult life who have bought into this rancid racism.
I'm so happy I left my home state for Florida.
CA is lost.
Gato - Flippin Jersey is on to the malodorous stench, as this will not change much at high cost brainwashing mills. Because there's a bigger picture than "woke" which runs far deeper, and has been going on far longer. Subversion, inversion, perversion and conversion of institutions and government can take generations. The "brand" invasion will not be abandoned overnight because of a minor setback, which will be swept under the rug. When elite sociopaths are providing the corporate and endowment trust funding for education, government agencies, judges and politicians, its an all you can eat buffet of Whores d'Oeuvres Mr. Mulder. https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/free-for-me-but-not-for-thee/comment/45697320
Sure hope you are right.
[edit: Abilene? I was confused, but grateful you had provided the link. ]
When you see someone like Gay there you wonder how and why she got there.
Sociopaths employ the incompetent to create a barrier of dependents who will defend them.
So who is she defending?