They are not going to own this. They willed get fined and the company will pay a few billion to make it go away. Like they did with vioxx. No one will go to jail and no one will lose his or her own personal funds. In the end, the people who made this happen will be better off than they were before. No deterrent against a next time. Except that maybe this time people will remember
i think it's going to come down to how big a stink can be made and how publicly.
the real goal is to get over the line into showing fraud and open them up to the civil actions they so richly deserve.
fraud is a sort of universal contract solvent and will eliminate the EUA liability shields. it may even pierce the corporate veil and allow people to go after management. and that would be both highly useful and a strong deterrent for aspiring future malefactors.
As long as the execs suffer consequences (meaning they are held personally liable without having their fines and/or civil suits paid by the corporation or by their insurance companies), it will be a deterrent. But clearly what happened with vioxx wasn’t a deterrent.
Maybe if actual fraud is proven, they can send some of these guys to jail. Even if the ones running the studies go to jail, maybe next time people will refuse to run these awful, fraudulent studies. Start taking away credentials, too. If fraud is shown, maybe they can revoke licenses. That might be a deterrent to next time
I've been on beta blockers since I was a teenager because of Vioxx. It's the chief reason I was so skeptical of the vax when the rollout happened. I got permanently screwed by these clowns once, never again.
I'd say the key would be Israel. Netanyahu is stronger than ever and with increased ultra-Orthodox support, and this despite a vax increasingly being shown to be harmful to fertility at the least.
If he doesn't fall/turn on Pfizer because of revulsion from an extremely important and cohesive political bloc, then I'd think there won't be enough pressure anywhere from less organized populations in all other countries.
And yet the people of Israel just re-elected him. 90% of the Israelis took the first 2 shots, 80% the third and 50% the fourth. For a group holding pretenses of being "the master race" I can only laugh and say "That's not very masterful". They appear to be pretty much the same as all other groups of humans.
Funniest thing is 10% of Israelis have more in common with 25% of Austrians than they do with the vast majority of their own countrymen and vice versa. Those who can question authority to the point of saying "NO" to it are rare in humanity.
Menachen Begin did and so do tons of others. Hubris is terminal. It is so appealing because you don't need to be world class in sports, academics, music or art. Just by luck of birth you are better. Total BS but full marks for marketing angle.
It's amazing how long that philosophy has been around and failing every time but yet more people line up for it. Go back through history and look for groups that thought that simply by being born into a group they are better than others and their lives are worth more. They ALL get decimated. 100% failure and yet humans keep trying it. "This time it's different", "We're smarter" etc.
Claiming to be the "master" subset of humanity is pretty pathetic IMHO. That's not a high bar LOL. If anyone ever needs more proof that humans are all the same after these last 2+ years they are below stupid. It's staring them in the face. The vast majority of every group on the planet fell for it.
Now they pay the price as Israel's all cause mortality is not looking good and in fact getting worse. Considering almost 100% of the shots were the mRNA ones in Israel and 80% took the third they're in a world of trouble.
I can relate to those Israelis (and everyone else) who said "NO" and held their ground. If you are not going to stand up for yourself when your government is allowing literal war crimes to be done to you then when will you? Never is the answer.
To be sure it's the attitude of all born-again Christians that they've become the elect. Sure, the mother religion left them with some bad lessons, but they took 'em and ran with 'em.
Ironically, the Hebrews (Old Testament) spent part of their history as slaves, not masters. Yet they are God's chosen race. But they are also a people of exceptional talents. The OT story of Jacob working his way up from slave to 2nd in command of Egypt sometimes comes true, in the sense that Jews disproportionately are found in the arts, sciences, academia, government, busienss and so on. This is not without its problems, as the legend of Samson and Elilah show. Life sometimes immitates art.
Your ... thesis? Lol ok. I’m glad you don’t find yourself “limited”. (Maybe you’re just above other humans, you know, like your own master race or something. Full circle! Whew!) I agree that God is infinite and unknowable except on His own terms. I never said otherwise and if you have a thesis to present, go right ahead.
That's the funny thing. I've NEVER felt myself superior to others and still don't. The only thing I've got going for me is the ability to question authority to the point where I will say "NO" and stick to it regardless of the consequences. It's cost me lots in my life but I just move on.
I view most people as having lost their survival instincts. Those who held out and refused to take the shots are from every race, religion, culture, education, intelligence, etc. We are a minority in our own groups with only one thing in common. I can relate to them but not the majority. I feel a bond with all those who refused that is kind of weird.
I feel that, too. My remark above was meant to be a reply to someone else, but posted as a separate comment for whatever reason. She seemed to think she had some sort of theological “thesis” to share with me, but never did.
I do feel a kind of kindred spirit with other people who refused to go along with this mass vax debacle. They certainly need not believe everything I believe, I’m just glad they are here. Interesting point about survival instincts. Maybe so. Our modern culture is burdened by a lot of toxic disdain for human life, for itself, and for each other. People will do anything to maintain the illusion of security in a world that was never meant to last, but if pressed, they can’t tell you why or if it matters to be human and alive. Eh. Anyway. As I said. Glad you’re here.
It will come out that the jabs are bad. Gov will come out and say something like 'we were at war with COVID and the jabs were our best weapon. There were issues, but big pharma did the best they could. Those who died of the jab are heroes and should be celebrated' The end.
We've been working to prove the case they willfully faked what was in the vaccines and the clinical trial data since those seem to be the two best lines of attack we've found for proving fraud so far.
Criminal “fines” are just stealing from the shareholders. Corporate officers who performed criminal acts need criminal punishment, including capital punishment where warranted.
True. But fines allow politicians to say they punished those responsible. Personal fortunes need to be taken away. And individuals need to be jailed. Otherwise it will repeat, just like it has repeated for the last several decades
Don’t be naive. These crooks are pros at hiding profits overseas. They will have no problem hiding their wealth overseas. Probably already doing it. I doubt a crooked corporate officer has ever been reduced to true penury.
I’m not being naive. I’m being realistic. I am well aware that these people hide their money. That’s why they always come out ahead. However, there will be some powerful people harmed (or whose kids were harmed) by these corporate execs and by their enablers in government. We need those powerful people to go after (or actively help regulators find) where the personal money is. This is a losing path we are going to go down where the politicians grandstand and get “record fines” from the corporations.
Fines don’t affect the crooked corporate officer in any way. It punishes the shareholders. That said, these companies are also liable for damages. Someone like Bourla needs to be put in solitary confinement never to see the light of day, or subjected to capital punishment if a jury so finds. These crooks always seem to come out ahead because we let them buy their way out of justice. How many millions (or billions) of people’s lives need to be destroyed or ruined before these crooks deserve hard-time criminal punishment? There are people currently serving years in jail for a minor drug offense.
We are arguing the same point. No, fines against the company won’t do anything except punish shareholders that did nothing wrong. Fines against the company won’t deter future bad behavior. Fines against the company won’t punish those responsible for this. Yes, people need to go to jail forever. Yes, it needs to be hard time and not some cushy fed resort thing. But those people in jail also need their legacies and their whole fortunes taken away so they don’t pass the fruits of their evil to their family. If someone can leave their spouse and children a bazillion dollars, they will take the cushy fed resort prison time. In addition to locking those responsible away in a real prison, we need to take their personal fortunes (yes, realize it is highly unlikely to happen, but that fact is why there will always be a next time). So far as people being out away for minor drug crimes, we should let all of them out to make room for all those people who actually hurt others.
Many of them also hold dual citizenship that is handy in a pinch. Or they readily qualify for citizenship in a certain Mideastern nation that shall remain nameless, and incidentally is America's biggest recipient of foreign aid. Also conveniently, its citizens cannot be extradited to any foreign nation.
They all have their special ways of avoiding culpability. Israel is going to be as pissed as the rest of the world, though. They may not be so ready to give safe harbor to what will become the villains in this story.
True. This matter is weighty enough where’d I’d support the use of extrajudicial means to extradite the defendants wherever they are. Or try & convict them in absentia and place a fat bounty on their sorry asses….like they did in the Old West.
Or chase them to the ends of the earth and make their remainder of life miserable like they did for Snowden and assuage. I think those two should have been hailed as heroes, but it showed what we can do to those determined by the security state to be enemies. Let them do the same to the pharma execs
Yes, the fact that the vaccine was mandated made this an extra category of evil. Vioxx hurt many people. Many people were given Vioxx without their knowledge. I worked with an anesthesiologist who would routinely give Vioxx to people under anesthesia (not to imply that is anywhere close to the same as mandating a vaccine, but to point out that innocents were hurt without any fault of their own). After the huge hullabaloo around the Vioxx, it was supposed to be a deterrent against anything like it happening again. What happened with the vaccines was much worse. So, doing the same things against Pfizer that were done to Merck when the Vioxx harms came to light, will not prevent another catastrophe.
Right… I believe Pharma should actually be treated in a criminal sense, and truly the vaccine mandates should be treated similar. I was under the assumption some thing that was given EUA could not be mandated. You know that whole pesky Nuremberg thing! And immediately, when they saw that it was not stopping transmission the fact that mandates were continued, is just criminal in my mind! I actually sent a letter to the president of the university that our family has attended and told him that it was wrong that they were not standing up against these mandates, and he basically just acted like there was nothing he could do. I talked about the side effects and everything so in my mind these people knew what they were doing just wanted the money and allowed people to be harmed. There should be a lot of people taken to task for this. I don’t feel it should just be monetary lawsuits because all of this is just tax dollars being pushed around. So that would be basically like us suing ourselves.
I think you are right. If you read Katherine Watt's Substack and Sasha Latypova's Substack, this would appear to have been a lawful Department of Defense operation:
No they're not gonna own this because they really don't own it.. I kept wondering myself why this just keeps on after the harms and deaths it is causing. It didn't make sense until I read these:
I think it probably depends on how high the stacks of bodies get. If the died suddenly phenomenon starts to taper off as less people get boosters they may be able to sweep it under the carpet. If the all cause mortality remains extremely high with high profile deaths happening like right now, it will be much harder for them to hide. 
ie, Vioxx - 50k deaths, mostly men >50. Vioxx was never mandated. Difficult to prove mal-intent over incompetence. Most people didn't hear of Vioxx.
mRNA jabs - millions of deaths globally. Many <30 or 40. Clear evidence of fraud. Upheaval of global economy and mass destruction of lives. Everyone has heard of the jabs. A large minority believe they have had friends/ family dead from it.
The two situations have only superficial resemblance as coming from Big Pharma.
Perhaps the people/organizations we think are in control are not.
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"they ran a slipshod process devoid of safety controls and rushed to market vaccines of dubious design using appalling trial structure. then they refused to do their jobs and track the safety signals."
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I agree. This is what happened. The question is why. Surely, greed, hubris, incompetence, and CYA were factors in the 2009 H1N1 vaccine disaster as they were in the 1987 Swine Flu disaster. While it took far too long and too many people were hurt (or killed), the vaccines were pulled. The failures were acknowledged.
There are now 33,469 deaths following C19 jabs in the VAERS.
16,246 of those deaths occurred in the United States.
9,617 of those deaths occurred within 3 days of injection.
Why have the FDA and CDC failed so miserably?
Could it be they weren't really in control?
I am not making excuses for Pfizer or Moderna or the so-called public health authorities.
Burn it all down.
But do we really know who/what was running the show?
Do we really know why this time is so much worse than previous "health emergencies"?
Sasha Latypova and Katherine Watt assert that the DoD is running the show. The FDA and CDC are playing a role in the vaccine kabuki theater. This is the argument Pfizer's lawyers made in their motion to dismiss Brook Jackson's lawsuit.
All people responsible must be held accountable:
Pfizer, Moderna, J&J
The military.
So-called elected leaders.
Pharmacies.
Doctors, nurses, hospitals.
The past three years cannot be explained by greed, hubris, incompetence, CYA.
One, hunting someone down is not the American way. It will also immediately turn that person into a martyr and turn public opinion against those trying to speak truth to what happened. Two, these people will have more security than heads of state. Information and education is the way to prevent a next time. The more people know what happened, the less likely they will be to allow big pharma (and all their enablers) to repeat this.
Companies like Pfizer and Moderna need to be completely broken up. They exert way too much influence. And quite frankly charge obscene amounts for their products. Get medical treatment overseas sometime. You’ll be aghast to discover how expensive quality healthcare is in the USA versus overseas. You barely need medical insurance overseas. Medical care costs about as much as maintaining your car. True.
The individual pays for maintaining their car, not the government. It makes a difference when people are responsible for their own bills instead of relying on insurance companies to set prices. Docs in us work (in the vast majority of cases) to make the insurances happy or to make their employers (the large corporate hospitals happy). Docs in the US don’t work for the patient in the vast majority of cases and so do not care if the patient is happy or if the patient totally gets screwed over
100% agreed! The markup on medical costs in the USA compared to privately owned hospitals overseas is absolutely staggering. I’ve spent a good part of my life overseas…am overseas now. I have plenty of first hand experience with just how much it costs. I had to come here to get what turned out to be a simple ailment fixed. My US doc should have been able to fix me up in a couple of weeks. I suspect many US docs are financially incentivized to extend time/cost for treatment, and if the patient dies while waiting, no big deal. They’ve killed and eaten the golden goose.
I am in healthcare in the US. I work for myself because I was disgusted at what happens to medicine in this country. From an inside perspective, it’s not that the doc prolongs care to jack up prices. It’s that the doc works for the large corporation (hospital or insurance). They get paid the same no matter what happens to the patient. Frequently the patient has no other doc to see either because they are mandated to stay within their network or because there is so k uh of a shortage and a waitlist that they realistically can’t go somewhere else. So, there is zero incentive for the doc to do more work to make things happen faster. There is zero incentive for the doc to take the initiative and seek out better, cheaper, more effective care for their patient. The incentive for the doc is to do what makes the hospital/insurance happy and to do the minimal amount of work possible to get the patient out and get the next one. It is completely broken.
All true. I'm in my early 60s and generally good health. What opened my eyes last year was researching the routine treatments I'd been on, as many millions take, usually as we get old: baby aspirin, statin, and hypertension medication. If one reads "the literature," for primary prevention they are high-cost*, very low-value interventions. In plain English, they provide almost no benefit to the patient. But they DO keep doctors employed, also the health bureacracy that brags about how they're promoting public health, and they need their budget increased next year, and of course Pharma, who makes a mint, especially when the mandated drugs are still on patent.
In a nutshell: the medical system is completely captured. They really are profit first, patient care (or even common sense) a distant second. I will still use doctors, but when possible will do my homework and say "no" to worthless and expensive products.
*By "high cost" I refer not to the cost of possibly generic drugs for a single patient, which may be very reasonable, but the cost from a public health perspective. Several hundred patients may need to be treated per year to avoid or delay one bad event (e.g. heart attack, death). Although governments are not known for thrift, at some point such interventions become uneconomcial solely looking at the cost, never mind risk of side effects. How much is it worth to prevent one heart attack this year, or delay a death for a year in a target group? $20,000? $200,000?
"...hunting someone down is not the American way."
Thought you had something called a posse comitatus, since your law is based on british legal tradition?
Us germanics used to have the concepts "var mans rov" (every man's prey) and "Varg i Veum" (desecrator in the holy place) for people judged outside the law, and thus outside all protections and considerations.
Concepts I for one would like to see brought back into effect.
It is not just that victim and perpetrator both live under the same sky.
So, there's this guy by the name of Clif High who does something called predictive linguistics. It's all very weird and is accurate... once and a while.
One of his markers shows that at some point, individuals from Israel will start hunting down those responsible all over the world and k*lling them.
No matter what evidence comes to light--the majority of the country will never know about it. Main stream media just doesnt report it and it goes away an nothing happens. Im so black pilled right now. Every day explosive new evidence comes out (on substack only) and it looks like the dam is going to break, but none of it ever gets any traction and the water never breaks through. Without mainstream media the masses will never realize what is going on.
They forced my mom to spend the last year of her life locked down, scared, and alone. And they murdered my dad. I will never forgive them and I would gladly pull the rope that opens the trap door. If that sends me to hell it’s a price I’m willing to pay.
I'm never going to buy the "how could we have known" claim from most people. I'm a warehouse worker and I knew. I don't have a college degree. All I had going for me was an interest in math and statistics and a general distrust of the phrase "for the common good". That and a bit of research comparing arguments both for and against the vax was all it took. A vast majority of people could have figured it out if they wanted to.
Yep. It stuns me how many people who are "health conscious" injected a totally unproven substance into their body and continue to do so for a virus that is 99% survivable. It's insane.
Love it ! "to every “amateur” and expert alike who came together in emergent resistance to this medical malfeasance: these “authorities” had no idea who they were taking on and i am proud to have stood with you. interdisciplinary excellence trounces cloistered credentialism.
Along with Big Pharma and the regulators going down, I hope every single company that mandated these clot shots is sued into oblivion. I just saw ESPN is being sued by former employees - let's hope that's just the beginning.
Biden tweeted get your vax only this week. They also extended the state of emergency. Do you think they have war gamed a 180 about turn? I think they are all in. I guess the troponin data must have been OK. If they can fix Western Blots, troponin must be a gimme.
I’m not letting the politicians off the hook so easily. They practically all turned a blind eye to a cacophony of protests by highly qualified scientists and physicians. Politicians have little domain expertise in anything, but they all get paid to protect our rights and safety. Their abject failure and foot dragging magnified the damages done 1 million- fold.
In that same thread, I noticed you had used the term “the worst medical blunder in human history,” which I had agreed with—and it was precisely that sort of exculpatory language I wrote the poem to call out. So I sent that poem back in time to both of us 😹
To be fair, that exchange occurred in December 2021, so we’ve accumulated a great deal of evidence for culpability in the meantime, but I thought it was quite a humorous coincidence nevertheless.
I wish the Malones and Steve Kirsch would talk more about this since their audiences are so huge. Sasha and Katherine are getting to the bottom of this nightmare. I know Sasha has been interviewed quite a lot lately.
Perhaps each state needs to start a class action lawsuit?
Yes Sasha Latypova, Katherine Watts and David Martin's work combined changes the story. The pharma "trials" a sham and theater by design. The culprits in DOD and their connected agencies who did the planning and set up with patents, chipping away at legislation, and did experimentation on the sly, apparently on military and in Ukraine and elsewhere. There was no lab "leak" of the engineered construct, but a planned dissemination.
Exactly those three you mentioned, above all! As for the likes of Malone, he is still sitting on the fence and/or creating his own narrative as events develop; interestingly, he is revealing bit by bit how much he really knew from the beginning, with the hope that he will always have an opening to get in on the "right side" some day.
The few videos I've seen of him, and via his Substack, Malone has always been up-front of his past connections with DoD, etc. At least those he's alowed to disclose. Give the man some credit.
The ironic thing is, that the only people that can save the ruling class from the mob were subject to the vax mandates. I feel that someone is gonna turn snitch soon
Hey EGM I just want to be the first commenter so I can ask you to share your take on the extended ban for unvaxxed non citizen visitors to the USA. This has been a huge issue for my hubs and we were counting on being able to make plans after January 10th. No such luck for us or Djokovic sadly. At this point we will likely be arranging a fake vax card. If any other readers have other useful tips please let me know. Commiseration also welcome! Thanks...
My husband and I are from Spain and we had the Greencard (now we are US citizens) and could travel to Spain and back here without being vaccinated but my parents cannot come to visit their grandchildren. My mother wanted to get jabbed just to be able to come here for a couple of months and help me with the little one as she is retired now, but I begged her not to do it. We have resisted so far but not sure for how long. Its so frustating, specially when it is clear that the shots do not work and are dangerous. People just ask, why don’t they get vaccinated? It’s easier. That’s all. I don’t want them to be coerced and we are just thinking moving back to Spain. I love US and the bastion of freedom it was. Unfortunately most Americans don’t even appreciate it and some are actively destroying it. So sad.
So well said. I’m so sorry for your family. You have held strong this long you can for sure go the distance. I would consider moving back too in order to unite your family. For us as an international couple one side of the family is always missing out. I’ve already made peace with the fact that our world is not the same as when I made my big life choices. On some level it feels unnecessary and unfair and it pisses me off, but also it is what it is. None of our lives are a given and never were, though I naively thought so. I mean if the WEF has their way none of us will be flying internationally in the next few years anyway!
Absolutely we keep fighting! I just find for me personally I need to learn to let go of expectations so that I have the mental bandwidth to deal with reality better. So expecting to be denied the right to travel keeps me from melting down in sadness every time I think about it...
I've heard it is possible to cross if you get to Bahama's first (or another place nearby, sorry I forgot). From there you take a ferry to Florida, where you don't get checked. Apparently the checks happen mainly if you fly in, but rarely or not at all if you come in via sea or roads.
This info could be outdated so ask around to confirm.
Yeah I need to find the right boots on the ground info. All of this would be easier if it wasn’t so bloody far and so expensive to travel with a family of four. It’s expensive enough to do a direct flight, but making it a multi leg mission is so not what I want to spend my time and money on! We either commit fraud, deal with the mission impossible as a family or the citizens will leave their dad to stay home and pay the vacation bills without going on vacation...
Agree! The stupid thing is that at least there was an exemption for spouses of us citizens until Biden decided to harass families this way. Can’t even test which would be somewhat more logical... the whole thing is so anti human rights I can’t stand it.
I think they have to be vaccinated AND test which a lot of people seem to be upset about. I mean it doesn’t really make a lot of sense. As dumb as the testing is, it really only made sense when everyone had to do it.
No I totally agree with you! But as soon as we knew the vax didn’t stop transmission, it needed to stop providing privileges, which it is still doing. If you want to pretend that the testing is effective, then you need to test everyone. The fact that they are not just makes the whole thing way less defensible.
So sorry, that is awful. I wish this was a bigger issue for Americans, but since it doesn’t affect many of them, I’m afraid it’s not going to get the pushback it deserves.
This is exactly the problem. If more people knew about it I’m sure they would be angry. But even some people in my family aren’t aware or don’t care even though it means we can’t travel together to visit. Thanks to media spin. It boils my blood. This is the type of case that needs a lawsuit but I wouldn’t know the first place to start since I live abroad....
I may be wrong, but I seem to remember you can cross the land border unvaxxed? Will make your journey rather more inconvenient but if you're determined ... Personally I would do this if it were for something super important like seeing close family.
It is not an option. You can do it when you haven’t got anything else and you are desperate and you want to leave your old life behind. But imagine sending your mother there. A decent hard working person. My mother has been a 3 years-old teacher all her live, she is 67, she takes care of her father (96) and has all her relatives in Spain (except me and my kids). When she came she helped me with the kids and the house for a month or so, brought little gifts and tons of love for the kids and went back to her obligations in Spain. She is not fluent in English. She gets nervous while traveling and arrives at he airport hours in advance not to miss a flight in case she makes mistakes going to a wrong gate or things like that. Imagine for a moment sending her to Mexico, tell her to look for coyotes or whatever are they called, pay them for being trafficked illegally into the border. Get rid of her passport? If she made it to the border alive and then caught by border patrol then what? You are in but you are a criminal, you can never again try to enter legally in the country. You end up being dead or a criminal or having a most horrible experience just because you wanted to visit family. It is not a good option. It is clearly a punishment for not doing what the government wants you to do.
I meant just the normal legal land route! I've looked it up just now and the vax requirement only applies to entry by air. Fly into Mexico and then catch a bus. I was there recently and did not see any roaming coyotes - it was nice! :)
Ohhh!!! Thanks for clarifying! Sorry, I automatically thought of the illegal way 😓. I am so used to feel as I criminal for not getting vaxxed that I can only think this way. Well, it’s certainly more inconvenient but it can really be an option then. I will looked at it. Last time I checked they were also required vaccines for entry by boat and by car but I just checked it now and you are right. It is only required for flights now. Thank you very much!!!!
You're welcome, for what it's worth lol ... My family has done some travel while skirting the vax mandates - it's cost us quite a lot of extra money and time, which I resent but do not regret! There's no price on a healthy body.
....and nothing will happen. Im so black pilled right now. New explosive data and evidence every day but without the main stream media reporting it--nothing ever happens and the masses remain in the dark. Ive gotten my hopes up that the dam is going to break way too many times. Nothing happens to anyone connected to the democratic party.
I cannot handle seeing all the deaths of our young people...and it definitely appears to be picking up. There are going to be serious consequences when these kids realize they might die at any moment .
Nobody is going to be found guilty of any of this. Who would be judging them? "Official" people - aka "the same people who allowed it all to happen".
Pfizer & Co will get fined. Albert and other CEOs/board directors will be pushed out on fine severance pay and pension packages. The politicians will act like it had nothing to do with them and they were merely trying to save lives (see British MP Matt Hancock). The people who made money fraudently have already disappeared. The low level medical flunkeys who goose-stepped around will continue to do so and people will just put up with it.
It would be good to think the public won't get fooled again but they will (unless they are all dead from the jab they took to save other peoples' lives).
They are not going to own this. They willed get fined and the company will pay a few billion to make it go away. Like they did with vioxx. No one will go to jail and no one will lose his or her own personal funds. In the end, the people who made this happen will be better off than they were before. No deterrent against a next time. Except that maybe this time people will remember
i think it's going to come down to how big a stink can be made and how publicly.
the real goal is to get over the line into showing fraud and open them up to the civil actions they so richly deserve.
fraud is a sort of universal contract solvent and will eliminate the EUA liability shields. it may even pierce the corporate veil and allow people to go after management. and that would be both highly useful and a strong deterrent for aspiring future malefactors.
As long as the execs suffer consequences (meaning they are held personally liable without having their fines and/or civil suits paid by the corporation or by their insurance companies), it will be a deterrent. But clearly what happened with vioxx wasn’t a deterrent.
Maybe if actual fraud is proven, they can send some of these guys to jail. Even if the ones running the studies go to jail, maybe next time people will refuse to run these awful, fraudulent studies. Start taking away credentials, too. If fraud is shown, maybe they can revoke licenses. That might be a deterrent to next time
I've been on beta blockers since I was a teenager because of Vioxx. It's the chief reason I was so skeptical of the vax when the rollout happened. I got permanently screwed by these clowns once, never again.
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And a big stink is very possible here: lots more people have been and will continue to be affected by the covid shots than vioxx.
Indeed, the jabs make Vioxx look like a vitamin by comparison.
Vive le stink!
I'd say the key would be Israel. Netanyahu is stronger than ever and with increased ultra-Orthodox support, and this despite a vax increasingly being shown to be harmful to fertility at the least.
If he doesn't fall/turn on Pfizer because of revulsion from an extremely important and cohesive political bloc, then I'd think there won't be enough pressure anywhere from less organized populations in all other countries.
Zelenko was right about Nutty. He's a Mengele.
And yet the people of Israel just re-elected him. 90% of the Israelis took the first 2 shots, 80% the third and 50% the fourth. For a group holding pretenses of being "the master race" I can only laugh and say "That's not very masterful". They appear to be pretty much the same as all other groups of humans.
Funniest thing is 10% of Israelis have more in common with 25% of Austrians than they do with the vast majority of their own countrymen and vice versa. Those who can question authority to the point of saying "NO" to it are rare in humanity.
We never said we wuz the "master race."
Menachen Begin did and so do tons of others. Hubris is terminal. It is so appealing because you don't need to be world class in sports, academics, music or art. Just by luck of birth you are better. Total BS but full marks for marketing angle.
It's amazing how long that philosophy has been around and failing every time but yet more people line up for it. Go back through history and look for groups that thought that simply by being born into a group they are better than others and their lives are worth more. They ALL get decimated. 100% failure and yet humans keep trying it. "This time it's different", "We're smarter" etc.
Claiming to be the "master" subset of humanity is pretty pathetic IMHO. That's not a high bar LOL. If anyone ever needs more proof that humans are all the same after these last 2+ years they are below stupid. It's staring them in the face. The vast majority of every group on the planet fell for it.
Now they pay the price as Israel's all cause mortality is not looking good and in fact getting worse. Considering almost 100% of the shots were the mRNA ones in Israel and 80% took the third they're in a world of trouble.
https://i.postimg.cc/sg75NLVt/Israel-2017-2022.png
I can relate to those Israelis (and everyone else) who said "NO" and held their ground. If you are not going to stand up for yourself when your government is allowing literal war crimes to be done to you then when will you? Never is the answer.
To be sure it's the attitude of all born-again Christians that they've become the elect. Sure, the mother religion left them with some bad lessons, but they took 'em and ran with 'em.
Ironically, the Hebrews (Old Testament) spent part of their history as slaves, not masters. Yet they are God's chosen race. But they are also a people of exceptional talents. The OT story of Jacob working his way up from slave to 2nd in command of Egypt sometimes comes true, in the sense that Jews disproportionately are found in the arts, sciences, academia, government, busienss and so on. This is not without its problems, as the legend of Samson and Elilah show. Life sometimes immitates art.
Thank you!
Nutty Yahoo is indeed a Mengele.
Indeed, in a world of Lysenkos, be a Zelenko.
Your ... thesis? Lol ok. I’m glad you don’t find yourself “limited”. (Maybe you’re just above other humans, you know, like your own master race or something. Full circle! Whew!) I agree that God is infinite and unknowable except on His own terms. I never said otherwise and if you have a thesis to present, go right ahead.
That's the funny thing. I've NEVER felt myself superior to others and still don't. The only thing I've got going for me is the ability to question authority to the point where I will say "NO" and stick to it regardless of the consequences. It's cost me lots in my life but I just move on.
I view most people as having lost their survival instincts. Those who held out and refused to take the shots are from every race, religion, culture, education, intelligence, etc. We are a minority in our own groups with only one thing in common. I can relate to them but not the majority. I feel a bond with all those who refused that is kind of weird.
I feel that, too. My remark above was meant to be a reply to someone else, but posted as a separate comment for whatever reason. She seemed to think she had some sort of theological “thesis” to share with me, but never did.
I do feel a kind of kindred spirit with other people who refused to go along with this mass vax debacle. They certainly need not believe everything I believe, I’m just glad they are here. Interesting point about survival instincts. Maybe so. Our modern culture is burdened by a lot of toxic disdain for human life, for itself, and for each other. People will do anything to maintain the illusion of security in a world that was never meant to last, but if pressed, they can’t tell you why or if it matters to be human and alive. Eh. Anyway. As I said. Glad you’re here.
No problem. Threading comments inaccurately happens LOL.
"They certainly need not believe everything I believe, I’m just glad they are here." - Sums up my feelings in a nutshell. Glad you're here too.
I think it was Event 201 that explained it:
It will come out that the jabs are bad. Gov will come out and say something like 'we were at war with COVID and the jabs were our best weapon. There were issues, but big pharma did the best they could. Those who died of the jab are heroes and should be celebrated' The end.
We've been working to prove the case they willfully faked what was in the vaccines and the clinical trial data since those seem to be the two best lines of attack we've found for proving fraud so far.
Yes
Criminal “fines” are just stealing from the shareholders. Corporate officers who performed criminal acts need criminal punishment, including capital punishment where warranted.
True. But fines allow politicians to say they punished those responsible. Personal fortunes need to be taken away. And individuals need to be jailed. Otherwise it will repeat, just like it has repeated for the last several decades
Don’t be naive. These crooks are pros at hiding profits overseas. They will have no problem hiding their wealth overseas. Probably already doing it. I doubt a crooked corporate officer has ever been reduced to true penury.
I’m not being naive. I’m being realistic. I am well aware that these people hide their money. That’s why they always come out ahead. However, there will be some powerful people harmed (or whose kids were harmed) by these corporate execs and by their enablers in government. We need those powerful people to go after (or actively help regulators find) where the personal money is. This is a losing path we are going to go down where the politicians grandstand and get “record fines” from the corporations.
Fines don’t affect the crooked corporate officer in any way. It punishes the shareholders. That said, these companies are also liable for damages. Someone like Bourla needs to be put in solitary confinement never to see the light of day, or subjected to capital punishment if a jury so finds. These crooks always seem to come out ahead because we let them buy their way out of justice. How many millions (or billions) of people’s lives need to be destroyed or ruined before these crooks deserve hard-time criminal punishment? There are people currently serving years in jail for a minor drug offense.
We are arguing the same point. No, fines against the company won’t do anything except punish shareholders that did nothing wrong. Fines against the company won’t deter future bad behavior. Fines against the company won’t punish those responsible for this. Yes, people need to go to jail forever. Yes, it needs to be hard time and not some cushy fed resort thing. But those people in jail also need their legacies and their whole fortunes taken away so they don’t pass the fruits of their evil to their family. If someone can leave their spouse and children a bazillion dollars, they will take the cushy fed resort prison time. In addition to locking those responsible away in a real prison, we need to take their personal fortunes (yes, realize it is highly unlikely to happen, but that fact is why there will always be a next time). So far as people being out away for minor drug crimes, we should let all of them out to make room for all those people who actually hurt others.
Many of them also hold dual citizenship that is handy in a pinch. Or they readily qualify for citizenship in a certain Mideastern nation that shall remain nameless, and incidentally is America's biggest recipient of foreign aid. Also conveniently, its citizens cannot be extradited to any foreign nation.
They all have their special ways of avoiding culpability. Israel is going to be as pissed as the rest of the world, though. They may not be so ready to give safe harbor to what will become the villains in this story.
True. This matter is weighty enough where’d I’d support the use of extrajudicial means to extradite the defendants wherever they are. Or try & convict them in absentia and place a fat bounty on their sorry asses….like they did in the Old West.
Or chase them to the ends of the earth and make their remainder of life miserable like they did for Snowden and assuage. I think those two should have been hailed as heroes, but it showed what we can do to those determined by the security state to be enemies. Let them do the same to the pharma execs
This This This
🎯🎯🎯
A mandated vaccine is a very different scenario than the Vioxx.
Yes, the fact that the vaccine was mandated made this an extra category of evil. Vioxx hurt many people. Many people were given Vioxx without their knowledge. I worked with an anesthesiologist who would routinely give Vioxx to people under anesthesia (not to imply that is anywhere close to the same as mandating a vaccine, but to point out that innocents were hurt without any fault of their own). After the huge hullabaloo around the Vioxx, it was supposed to be a deterrent against anything like it happening again. What happened with the vaccines was much worse. So, doing the same things against Pfizer that were done to Merck when the Vioxx harms came to light, will not prevent another catastrophe.
Right… I believe Pharma should actually be treated in a criminal sense, and truly the vaccine mandates should be treated similar. I was under the assumption some thing that was given EUA could not be mandated. You know that whole pesky Nuremberg thing! And immediately, when they saw that it was not stopping transmission the fact that mandates were continued, is just criminal in my mind! I actually sent a letter to the president of the university that our family has attended and told him that it was wrong that they were not standing up against these mandates, and he basically just acted like there was nothing he could do. I talked about the side effects and everything so in my mind these people knew what they were doing just wanted the money and allowed people to be harmed. There should be a lot of people taken to task for this. I don’t feel it should just be monetary lawsuits because all of this is just tax dollars being pushed around. So that would be basically like us suing ourselves.
I think you are right. If you read Katherine Watt's Substack and Sasha Latypova's Substack, this would appear to have been a lawful Department of Defense operation:
Katherine: https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/
Sasha: https://sashalatypova.substack.com/
One recent bright spot is the Children's Health Defense lawsuit against the Trusted News Initiative:
Breaking: Landmark Lawsuit Slaps Legacy Media With Antitrust, First Amendment Claims for Censoring COVID-Related Content
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/lawsuit-trusted-news-initiative-antitrust-first-amendment-censoring-covid-content/
True ~ being legal/lawful doesn't make something right. Unfortunately, we have to operate under that rubric until it can be successfully challenged.
Drew is one of so many ~ have you seen Anecdotals?
No they're not gonna own this because they really don't own it.. I kept wondering myself why this just keeps on after the harms and deaths it is causing. It didn't make sense until I read these:
https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/american-domestic-bioterrorism-program
https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/the-role-of-the-us-dod-and-their
https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/covid-19-injectable-bioweapons-as
https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/nobody-knows-what-is-in-the-vials
I think it probably depends on how high the stacks of bodies get. If the died suddenly phenomenon starts to taper off as less people get boosters they may be able to sweep it under the carpet. If the all cause mortality remains extremely high with high profile deaths happening like right now, it will be much harder for them to hide. 
You do not and cannot know such a thing.
ie, Vioxx - 50k deaths, mostly men >50. Vioxx was never mandated. Difficult to prove mal-intent over incompetence. Most people didn't hear of Vioxx.
mRNA jabs - millions of deaths globally. Many <30 or 40. Clear evidence of fraud. Upheaval of global economy and mass destruction of lives. Everyone has heard of the jabs. A large minority believe they have had friends/ family dead from it.
The two situations have only superficial resemblance as coming from Big Pharma.
I posted this comment below, but it applies here.
Perhaps the people/organizations we think are in control are not.
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"they ran a slipshod process devoid of safety controls and rushed to market vaccines of dubious design using appalling trial structure. then they refused to do their jobs and track the safety signals."
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I agree. This is what happened. The question is why. Surely, greed, hubris, incompetence, and CYA were factors in the 2009 H1N1 vaccine disaster as they were in the 1987 Swine Flu disaster. While it took far too long and too many people were hurt (or killed), the vaccines were pulled. The failures were acknowledged.
There are now 33,469 deaths following C19 jabs in the VAERS.
16,246 of those deaths occurred in the United States.
9,617 of those deaths occurred within 3 days of injection.
Why have the FDA and CDC failed so miserably?
Could it be they weren't really in control?
I am not making excuses for Pfizer or Moderna or the so-called public health authorities.
Burn it all down.
But do we really know who/what was running the show?
Do we really know why this time is so much worse than previous "health emergencies"?
Sasha Latypova and Katherine Watt assert that the DoD is running the show. The FDA and CDC are playing a role in the vaccine kabuki theater. This is the argument Pfizer's lawyers made in their motion to dismiss Brook Jackson's lawsuit.
All people responsible must be held accountable:
Pfizer, Moderna, J&J
The military.
So-called elected leaders.
Pharmacies.
Doctors, nurses, hospitals.
The past three years cannot be explained by greed, hubris, incompetence, CYA.
What was the power center behind this?
What was that power center's goal?
We cannot defeat what we do not understand.
https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/reviewing-the-dod-contracts-for-covid
https://sashalatypova.substack.com
https://bailiwicknews.substack.com
https://www.uncoverdc.com/2022/05/26/pfizers-motion-to-dismiss-whistleblower-case-jab-was-a-prototype/
https://totalityofevidence.com/brook-jackson-pfizer-whistleblower/
And revenge for the beagles that Fauci tortured .
Still torturing
What?
One, hunting someone down is not the American way. It will also immediately turn that person into a martyr and turn public opinion against those trying to speak truth to what happened. Two, these people will have more security than heads of state. Information and education is the way to prevent a next time. The more people know what happened, the less likely they will be to allow big pharma (and all their enablers) to repeat this.
Companies like Pfizer and Moderna need to be completely broken up. They exert way too much influence. And quite frankly charge obscene amounts for their products. Get medical treatment overseas sometime. You’ll be aghast to discover how expensive quality healthcare is in the USA versus overseas. You barely need medical insurance overseas. Medical care costs about as much as maintaining your car. True.
The individual pays for maintaining their car, not the government. It makes a difference when people are responsible for their own bills instead of relying on insurance companies to set prices. Docs in us work (in the vast majority of cases) to make the insurances happy or to make their employers (the large corporate hospitals happy). Docs in the US don’t work for the patient in the vast majority of cases and so do not care if the patient is happy or if the patient totally gets screwed over
Bingo! Direct Pay is the only solution! Then disband the 3 letter agencies starting with CMS!
Both DOEs.
*spits in Jimmy Carter's general direction*
Omg, yes, start with cms!!! Those guys are pure evil!
100% agreed! The markup on medical costs in the USA compared to privately owned hospitals overseas is absolutely staggering. I’ve spent a good part of my life overseas…am overseas now. I have plenty of first hand experience with just how much it costs. I had to come here to get what turned out to be a simple ailment fixed. My US doc should have been able to fix me up in a couple of weeks. I suspect many US docs are financially incentivized to extend time/cost for treatment, and if the patient dies while waiting, no big deal. They’ve killed and eaten the golden goose.
I am in healthcare in the US. I work for myself because I was disgusted at what happens to medicine in this country. From an inside perspective, it’s not that the doc prolongs care to jack up prices. It’s that the doc works for the large corporation (hospital or insurance). They get paid the same no matter what happens to the patient. Frequently the patient has no other doc to see either because they are mandated to stay within their network or because there is so k uh of a shortage and a waitlist that they realistically can’t go somewhere else. So, there is zero incentive for the doc to do more work to make things happen faster. There is zero incentive for the doc to take the initiative and seek out better, cheaper, more effective care for their patient. The incentive for the doc is to do what makes the hospital/insurance happy and to do the minimal amount of work possible to get the patient out and get the next one. It is completely broken.
All true. I'm in my early 60s and generally good health. What opened my eyes last year was researching the routine treatments I'd been on, as many millions take, usually as we get old: baby aspirin, statin, and hypertension medication. If one reads "the literature," for primary prevention they are high-cost*, very low-value interventions. In plain English, they provide almost no benefit to the patient. But they DO keep doctors employed, also the health bureacracy that brags about how they're promoting public health, and they need their budget increased next year, and of course Pharma, who makes a mint, especially when the mandated drugs are still on patent.
In a nutshell: the medical system is completely captured. They really are profit first, patient care (or even common sense) a distant second. I will still use doctors, but when possible will do my homework and say "no" to worthless and expensive products.
*By "high cost" I refer not to the cost of possibly generic drugs for a single patient, which may be very reasonable, but the cost from a public health perspective. Several hundred patients may need to be treated per year to avoid or delay one bad event (e.g. heart attack, death). Although governments are not known for thrift, at some point such interventions become uneconomcial solely looking at the cost, never mind risk of side effects. How much is it worth to prevent one heart attack this year, or delay a death for a year in a target group? $20,000? $200,000?
"...hunting someone down is not the American way."
Thought you had something called a posse comitatus, since your law is based on british legal tradition?
Us germanics used to have the concepts "var mans rov" (every man's prey) and "Varg i Veum" (desecrator in the holy place) for people judged outside the law, and thus outside all protections and considerations.
Concepts I for one would like to see brought back into effect.
It is not just that victim and perpetrator both live under the same sky.
So, there's this guy by the name of Clif High who does something called predictive linguistics. It's all very weird and is accurate... once and a while.
One of his markers shows that at some point, individuals from Israel will start hunting down those responsible all over the world and k*lling them.
Are these Israelis headed for the meeting in Davos this week? They could save a lot of traveling around the world by going to Davos pronto.
Where is Commander James Bond? Oh yeah, MI-6 and the CIA, FBI, and RCMP are in the WEF corner now.
No matter what evidence comes to light--the majority of the country will never know about it. Main stream media just doesnt report it and it goes away an nothing happens. Im so black pilled right now. Every day explosive new evidence comes out (on substack only) and it looks like the dam is going to break, but none of it ever gets any traction and the water never breaks through. Without mainstream media the masses will never realize what is going on.
The changes to Twitter may be helping, but Ed Dowd is predicting a change in the narrative to continue the obfuscation:
https://gettr.com/post/p24vxb6d62a
"It's long C0VID."
No, wait.
"It's climate change."
Right....
They murdered my fucking friends
They forced my mom to spend the last year of her life locked down, scared, and alone. And they murdered my dad. I will never forgive them and I would gladly pull the rope that opens the trap door. If that sends me to hell it’s a price I’m willing to pay.
I'm never going to buy the "how could we have known" claim from most people. I'm a warehouse worker and I knew. I don't have a college degree. All I had going for me was an interest in math and statistics and a general distrust of the phrase "for the common good". That and a bit of research comparing arguments both for and against the vax was all it took. A vast majority of people could have figured it out if they wanted to.
Yep. It stuns me how many people who are "health conscious" injected a totally unproven substance into their body and continue to do so for a virus that is 99% survivable. It's insane.
Sigh.
That's the Power of Brainwashing.
What really stuns me is that they they try to force me
Exactly. The official data has ALWAYS contradicted the official narrative.
Yes! And we told them, right?
Love it ! "to every “amateur” and expert alike who came together in emergent resistance to this medical malfeasance: these “authorities” had no idea who they were taking on and i am proud to have stood with you. interdisciplinary excellence trounces cloistered credentialism.
keep it up." Absolutely Love it !
Along with Big Pharma and the regulators going down, I hope every single company that mandated these clot shots is sued into oblivion. I just saw ESPN is being sued by former employees - let's hope that's just the beginning.
A glimmer
Biden tweeted get your vax only this week. They also extended the state of emergency. Do you think they have war gamed a 180 about turn? I think they are all in. I guess the troponin data must have been OK. If they can fix Western Blots, troponin must be a gimme.
Yup, random trop is very unlikely to give them any negative info about the vaxx. Especially in such low numbers. Gimme.
I’m not letting the politicians off the hook so easily. They practically all turned a blind eye to a cacophony of protests by highly qualified scientists and physicians. Politicians have little domain expertise in anything, but they all get paid to protect our rights and safety. Their abject failure and foot dragging magnified the damages done 1 million- fold.
AMEN to accountability, el gato. On New Year’s Day, I published the following poem to inaugurate 2023 as the Year of Accountability:
• “Mistakes Were NOT Made: An Anthem for Justice” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/mistakes-were-not-made-an-anthem)
Apparently people are thirsty for this message as it resonated more deeply than I ever imagined.
One commenter (https://merylnass.substack.com/p/who-should-fauci-be-more-afraid-of/comment/11579381) described it as “the definitive statement on the global genocide event now still underway” and “the Star Spangled Banner of the Covid resistance movement and anti-genocide movements in general. It should be read by all.”
On a coincidental note, I touched on the term “pureblood” in the updates section after the poem, and I tracked down your reflections on why it is problematic (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/i/94122656/pure-blood-registry).
In that same thread, I noticed you had used the term “the worst medical blunder in human history,” which I had agreed with—and it was precisely that sort of exculpatory language I wrote the poem to call out. So I sent that poem back in time to both of us 😹
To be fair, that exchange occurred in December 2021, so we’ve accumulated a great deal of evidence for culpability in the meantime, but I thought it was quite a humorous coincidence nevertheless.
MAA: Do you agree that the conversation topic must now go in this direction?
https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/reviewing-the-dod-contracts-for-covid
https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/could-congress-members-federal-and
Yes, as it happens I linked to multiple articles by Sasha and Katherine in my poem :-)
We will need to band together to become a force to be reckoned with. That is the way we’ll be heard by both those responsible and those still asleep!
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I wish the Malones and Steve Kirsch would talk more about this since their audiences are so huge. Sasha and Katherine are getting to the bottom of this nightmare. I know Sasha has been interviewed quite a lot lately.
Perhaps each state needs to start a class action lawsuit?
Great idea—Florida is a good candidate. Maybe after the Grand Jury.
Yes Sasha Latypova, Katherine Watts and David Martin's work combined changes the story. The pharma "trials" a sham and theater by design. The culprits in DOD and their connected agencies who did the planning and set up with patents, chipping away at legislation, and did experimentation on the sly, apparently on military and in Ukraine and elsewhere. There was no lab "leak" of the engineered construct, but a planned dissemination.
Well, we need to name names from the DOD. Who are they?
Exactly those three you mentioned, above all! As for the likes of Malone, he is still sitting on the fence and/or creating his own narrative as events develop; interestingly, he is revealing bit by bit how much he really knew from the beginning, with the hope that he will always have an opening to get in on the "right side" some day.
I suspect that at best, Malone is in it for Malone. At worst, he's a bad actor.
More on Malone here:
https://gingerbreggin.substack.com/p/breggins-prioritize-free-speech-above
The few videos I've seen of him, and via his Substack, Malone has always been up-front of his past connections with DoD, etc. At least those he's alowed to disclose. Give the man some credit.
The ironic thing is, that the only people that can save the ruling class from the mob were subject to the vax mandates. I feel that someone is gonna turn snitch soon
Hey EGM I just want to be the first commenter so I can ask you to share your take on the extended ban for unvaxxed non citizen visitors to the USA. This has been a huge issue for my hubs and we were counting on being able to make plans after January 10th. No such luck for us or Djokovic sadly. At this point we will likely be arranging a fake vax card. If any other readers have other useful tips please let me know. Commiseration also welcome! Thanks...
My husband and I are from Spain and we had the Greencard (now we are US citizens) and could travel to Spain and back here without being vaccinated but my parents cannot come to visit their grandchildren. My mother wanted to get jabbed just to be able to come here for a couple of months and help me with the little one as she is retired now, but I begged her not to do it. We have resisted so far but not sure for how long. Its so frustating, specially when it is clear that the shots do not work and are dangerous. People just ask, why don’t they get vaccinated? It’s easier. That’s all. I don’t want them to be coerced and we are just thinking moving back to Spain. I love US and the bastion of freedom it was. Unfortunately most Americans don’t even appreciate it and some are actively destroying it. So sad.
So well said. I’m so sorry for your family. You have held strong this long you can for sure go the distance. I would consider moving back too in order to unite your family. For us as an international couple one side of the family is always missing out. I’ve already made peace with the fact that our world is not the same as when I made my big life choices. On some level it feels unnecessary and unfair and it pisses me off, but also it is what it is. None of our lives are a given and never were, though I naively thought so. I mean if the WEF has their way none of us will be flying internationally in the next few years anyway!
Yes, you are totally right. I hope they do not get their way. We will keep fighting anyway. Good luck to you too!!!
Absolutely we keep fighting! I just find for me personally I need to learn to let go of expectations so that I have the mental bandwidth to deal with reality better. So expecting to be denied the right to travel keeps me from melting down in sadness every time I think about it...
The process is the punishment.
Seriously
Stephenie, fly into Juarez or Tijuana & walk across. No jab, no proof of jab, no testing, no questions asked
Ha! I just might try it!
And no ID needed and they fly you where you want to go
I live in a border state, come visit! 😅
How fun! South? We need to get to Wyoming and/or Utah...
New Mexico 😊. I’ll “sponser” you 😂
Sweet! Utah it is.
Meanwhile anyone can come through or Southern border without proof of jab or negative test
Yes, but they are expected to vote democrat so they get a pass.
I've heard it is possible to cross if you get to Bahama's first (or another place nearby, sorry I forgot). From there you take a ferry to Florida, where you don't get checked. Apparently the checks happen mainly if you fly in, but rarely or not at all if you come in via sea or roads.
This info could be outdated so ask around to confirm.
Florida is clamping down
Canada sees a lot coming over but the “coyotes” there are negligent so wait until fair weather
Oh no why?? That’s bad news
Yeah I need to find the right boots on the ground info. All of this would be easier if it wasn’t so bloody far and so expensive to travel with a family of four. It’s expensive enough to do a direct flight, but making it a multi leg mission is so not what I want to spend my time and money on! We either commit fraud, deal with the mission impossible as a family or the citizens will leave their dad to stay home and pay the vacation bills without going on vacation...
Is it not possible to enter through our unsecured borders?
No, not for us. Thanks!
I’m sorry. 😢
I wish I had some useful tips, but sadly I don't :( It's ridiculous that the travel ban was ever implemented in the first place.
Agree! The stupid thing is that at least there was an exemption for spouses of us citizens until Biden decided to harass families this way. Can’t even test which would be somewhat more logical... the whole thing is so anti human rights I can’t stand it.
If you’re Chinese all you have to do is test. China has LGB-FJB by the short hairs with all of his corrupt family dealing there so….
I think they have to be vaccinated AND test which a lot of people seem to be upset about. I mean it doesn’t really make a lot of sense. As dumb as the testing is, it really only made sense when everyone had to do it.
The PCR tests were not designed for it and the number of cycles each went through was crazy wrong and varied all over the place. No useable data
The “testing” is every bit as 🐂💩 as all the rest of it
No I totally agree with you! But as soon as we knew the vax didn’t stop transmission, it needed to stop providing privileges, which it is still doing. If you want to pretend that the testing is effective, then you need to test everyone. The fact that they are not just makes the whole thing way less defensible.
Democrats are mental midgets!
We haven’t seen our children since 2019. And maybe not in 2023. So I understand you and you have my sympathy.
So sorry, that is awful. I wish this was a bigger issue for Americans, but since it doesn’t affect many of them, I’m afraid it’s not going to get the pushback it deserves.
This is exactly the problem. If more people knew about it I’m sure they would be angry. But even some people in my family aren’t aware or don’t care even though it means we can’t travel together to visit. Thanks to media spin. It boils my blood. This is the type of case that needs a lawsuit but I wouldn’t know the first place to start since I live abroad....
Media IS the virus! Until people understand that nothing will change
I have said that for years. The media (most of it) is the real enemy and the real danger to the USA.
Thanks. Your situation sounds unacceptable!!
Come through the Southern Border.
I may be wrong, but I seem to remember you can cross the land border unvaxxed? Will make your journey rather more inconvenient but if you're determined ... Personally I would do this if it were for something super important like seeing close family.
Thank you. But we are too old to travel like that.
It is not an option. You can do it when you haven’t got anything else and you are desperate and you want to leave your old life behind. But imagine sending your mother there. A decent hard working person. My mother has been a 3 years-old teacher all her live, she is 67, she takes care of her father (96) and has all her relatives in Spain (except me and my kids). When she came she helped me with the kids and the house for a month or so, brought little gifts and tons of love for the kids and went back to her obligations in Spain. She is not fluent in English. She gets nervous while traveling and arrives at he airport hours in advance not to miss a flight in case she makes mistakes going to a wrong gate or things like that. Imagine for a moment sending her to Mexico, tell her to look for coyotes or whatever are they called, pay them for being trafficked illegally into the border. Get rid of her passport? If she made it to the border alive and then caught by border patrol then what? You are in but you are a criminal, you can never again try to enter legally in the country. You end up being dead or a criminal or having a most horrible experience just because you wanted to visit family. It is not a good option. It is clearly a punishment for not doing what the government wants you to do.
I meant just the normal legal land route! I've looked it up just now and the vax requirement only applies to entry by air. Fly into Mexico and then catch a bus. I was there recently and did not see any roaming coyotes - it was nice! :)
Ohhh!!! Thanks for clarifying! Sorry, I automatically thought of the illegal way 😓. I am so used to feel as I criminal for not getting vaxxed that I can only think this way. Well, it’s certainly more inconvenient but it can really be an option then. I will looked at it. Last time I checked they were also required vaccines for entry by boat and by car but I just checked it now and you are right. It is only required for flights now. Thank you very much!!!!
You're welcome, for what it's worth lol ... My family has done some travel while skirting the vax mandates - it's cost us quite a lot of extra money and time, which I resent but do not regret! There's no price on a healthy body.
....and nothing will happen. Im so black pilled right now. New explosive data and evidence every day but without the main stream media reporting it--nothing ever happens and the masses remain in the dark. Ive gotten my hopes up that the dam is going to break way too many times. Nothing happens to anyone connected to the democratic party.
Add Maria Bartiromo to the list. She was on with Moderna CEO Bancel this morning, fawning over the company’s “success”. It was nauseating.
She’s a WEF young leader. https://www.weforum.org/people/maria-bartiromo
WOW!! I would not have thought she'd do that.
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I cannot handle seeing all the deaths of our young people...and it definitely appears to be picking up. There are going to be serious consequences when these kids realize they might die at any moment .
To the "they, them, their,"
You take on a World. We'll give you a World. A World of Hurt for what YOU HAVE DONE. It's time to pay the piper.
Nobody is going to be found guilty of any of this. Who would be judging them? "Official" people - aka "the same people who allowed it all to happen".
Pfizer & Co will get fined. Albert and other CEOs/board directors will be pushed out on fine severance pay and pension packages. The politicians will act like it had nothing to do with them and they were merely trying to save lives (see British MP Matt Hancock). The people who made money fraudently have already disappeared. The low level medical flunkeys who goose-stepped around will continue to do so and people will just put up with it.
It would be good to think the public won't get fooled again but they will (unless they are all dead from the jab they took to save other peoples' lives).