The potential for a 2 week window of serious immune surpression is bad enough but what does this suggest for long term consequences? I suspect "no one knows" and that is a bad answer for a treatment being pushed onto almost the whole population worldwide.
This has the potential to eclipse every other medical scandal combined.
El Gato, thank you so much for "ALL" of this. I realize this is off topic, and maybe you have addressed this in the past, but I cannot seem to find any serious analysis of previously infected people who also got the vaccine (either by choice or pressure) and how they account for any analysis of vaccine efficacy. In my mind, this should be a major consideration. What if any or the majority of efficacy occurred in those who already had natural immunity? Would this not greatly decrease the "actual" efficacy? I'm curious about your take on that concept and if you or anyone you know of has included that in any analysis. Thank you again.
So boosting acts like the 1st shot.. significantly decreasing immunity for a while? Implications would be to never boost during a time when there is Covid is present in any great degree, or hideout in the basement for a month after boosting..? (or in my case as a person without significant risk - don't boost at all).
I'm worried about what we're going to see here in the northeast. The first rollout was when the virus was waning due to seasonality. The boosters are coming when we're just gearing up for respiratory virus season.
If the 2nd dose doesn't cause a mortality spike because it comes so soon after the first dose then the obvious answer is to keep injecting people with shots every 21 days. That should sort the problem out. 😁
Article says “He was not vaccinated; unfortunately, he had gotten the first part of the Pfizer a week before he contracted it but it had not been in his system long enough to offer any protection,”
If you are interested in looking at hospitalizations, Ontario has some interesting data in their “pandemic tracker.” Take a look at how hospitalizations for ILIs + COVID compare to historic benchmarks. I bet just glancing at this, you would:
- wonder where the Spring 2020 and Winter 2021 “waves” are hiding; and,
- be able to guess exactly when Ontario started rolling out the mass vaccination campaign
Might be useful to look at western and south Australia. They are essentially COVID zero with big upticks in vax. They are also experiencing major stress on the health care system with ‘ramping’ at all time highs.
So, employers should be getting fined for making employees get vaccinated rather than fining employers for not “cresting a safe work environment” with a mandatory vaccination policy.
The first 14 days of treatment wrecks vaccine safety/efficacy, or so it would appear.
We lasted 18 months, family of 5, kids did sleepovers all last summer, kid works at sbux, wife works at preschool Inner city.
Nothing.
Due to worries after my spine surgery, I reluctantly got the 1st shot. Within 2 weeks Covid ran all thru our house, even my fully vaxxed 18 y..o.
I was asymptomatic.
That's anecdotal, but everything you say here and in the other one is spot on.
The worst thing they could do is 1st or booster at just the wrong time on seasonal wave.
Cali here is on downslope so I think we are okay for now.
So utterly PISSED at stupid Americans that dont read and believe everything big daddy and MSM tells them. Idiots.
The potential for a 2 week window of serious immune surpression is bad enough but what does this suggest for long term consequences? I suspect "no one knows" and that is a bad answer for a treatment being pushed onto almost the whole population worldwide.
This has the potential to eclipse every other medical scandal combined.
El Gato, thank you so much for "ALL" of this. I realize this is off topic, and maybe you have addressed this in the past, but I cannot seem to find any serious analysis of previously infected people who also got the vaccine (either by choice or pressure) and how they account for any analysis of vaccine efficacy. In my mind, this should be a major consideration. What if any or the majority of efficacy occurred in those who already had natural immunity? Would this not greatly decrease the "actual" efficacy? I'm curious about your take on that concept and if you or anyone you know of has included that in any analysis. Thank you again.
I'm still trying to figure out how you are able to do data analysis this well PLUS have a way with words and comedy. Must be exclusive to bad kitties!
So boosting acts like the 1st shot.. significantly decreasing immunity for a while? Implications would be to never boost during a time when there is Covid is present in any great degree, or hideout in the basement for a month after boosting..? (or in my case as a person without significant risk - don't boost at all).
This is so Incredibly distressing, especially in light of the coming booster wave, right at the start of winter. God help us.
Interesting analysis as always. However...
I note that the outcome you are testing against is covid deaths. Which I find to be unreliable by association with PCR at excessive cycles.
So what would the death curve look like using all cause mortality as the outcome of interest?
Perhaps 2nd doses are just as likely to create all cause mortality as 1st doses are to create 'covid' mortality.
I'm worried about what we're going to see here in the northeast. The first rollout was when the virus was waning due to seasonality. The boosters are coming when we're just gearing up for respiratory virus season.
Seems like pushing first doses in the N of the US right now would be a Bad Idea™.
If the 2nd dose doesn't cause a mortality spike because it comes so soon after the first dose then the obvious answer is to keep injecting people with shots every 21 days. That should sort the problem out. 😁
Example of worry window death locally here: https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/norfolk-spanish-teacher-dies-from-covid-19-after-a-brief-illness/
Article says “He was not vaccinated; unfortunately, he had gotten the first part of the Pfizer a week before he contracted it but it had not been in his system long enough to offer any protection,”
Great work.
If you are interested in looking at hospitalizations, Ontario has some interesting data in their “pandemic tracker.” Take a look at how hospitalizations for ILIs + COVID compare to historic benchmarks. I bet just glancing at this, you would:
- wonder where the Spring 2020 and Winter 2021 “waves” are hiding; and,
- be able to guess exactly when Ontario started rolling out the mass vaccination campaign
Here’s the link:
https://www.kflaphi.ca/aces-pandemic-tracker/
Well, that's worrisome. If this is true, wonder how long it will take the "experts" to catch up with you?
pull up a chart of Vietnam and thailand cases, deaths and vaccinations. same lag as you show here is seen
Might be useful to look at western and south Australia. They are essentially COVID zero with big upticks in vax. They are also experiencing major stress on the health care system with ‘ramping’ at all time highs.
So, employers should be getting fined for making employees get vaccinated rather than fining employers for not “cresting a safe work environment” with a mandatory vaccination policy.
The first 14 days of treatment wrecks vaccine safety/efficacy, or so it would appear.