Sorry, but still don't see how one can be convinced vaxes have reduced deaths in at risk groups. While we can be grateful to England for the PHE vaxed/unvaxxed data, it's clear that this data is riven with potential confounders and is not nearly detailed enough.
Still, if for argument's sake one accepts 'reduced deaths' as a fact, does t…
Sorry, but still don't see how one can be convinced vaxes have reduced deaths in at risk groups. While we can be grateful to England for the PHE vaxed/unvaxxed data, it's clear that this data is riven with potential confounders and is not nearly detailed enough.
Still, if for argument's sake one accepts 'reduced deaths' as a fact, does this mean 'reduced C19 deaths' or does it mean 'reduced all-cause deaths'? If it's not all-cause deaths, particularly among the elderly and at risk, then the entire vax argument becomes moot. (As it does for many medical interventions in the vulnerable or elderly.)
Personally, I believe that the 'vax everyone, even the kids' movement is looking more and more like a frantic effort to muddy the waters and destroy all possible control groups, for all possible outcomes, before the ultimate reckoning.
This vax 'em all movement, combined with the rampant unreliability of US health data, will probably force serious researchers to look at countries other than the US to ultimately understand what happened during the past two years, and to figure out why it happened.
Sorry, but still don't see how one can be convinced vaxes have reduced deaths in at risk groups. While we can be grateful to England for the PHE vaxed/unvaxxed data, it's clear that this data is riven with potential confounders and is not nearly detailed enough.
Still, if for argument's sake one accepts 'reduced deaths' as a fact, does this mean 'reduced C19 deaths' or does it mean 'reduced all-cause deaths'? If it's not all-cause deaths, particularly among the elderly and at risk, then the entire vax argument becomes moot. (As it does for many medical interventions in the vulnerable or elderly.)
Personally, I believe that the 'vax everyone, even the kids' movement is looking more and more like a frantic effort to muddy the waters and destroy all possible control groups, for all possible outcomes, before the ultimate reckoning.
This vax 'em all movement, combined with the rampant unreliability of US health data, will probably force serious researchers to look at countries other than the US to ultimately understand what happened during the past two years, and to figure out why it happened.
From everything I've read, the "vaccines reduce deaths" is that they have a small but measurable effect in reducing death from covid.
They are pretty clearly increasing all cause deaths, despite that very temporary claim to the contrary last winter.
There is no doubt in my mind that the push is on to eliminate all control groups.