Why was immunity vis-a-vis natural infection ever a question? If infection doesn't confer immunity, folks, then vaccination doesn't confer immunity. The argument against immunity from natural infection (which exposes one to all viral epitopes and therefore provides broad protection) coming from medical and public health professionals was an early red flag.
I've been doing battle on Fakebook trying to get information to those who might want or need it for weeks. They usually shut me down within a few comments...often for 24-48 hours. I'm certain I've was caught up in the surveillance that Project Veritas revealed a couple weeks ago.
I wrote the following blurb about natural immunity, "vaccine" risks, and other pertinent informaton...so I could convey significant information in one post before they shut me down. I may be shouting into the wind, but I feel a moral obligation to share what I know so people can make their own decisions. I am usually swarmed by trolls; but, once in a while, someone thanks me. :)
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Vaccine immunity is meant to mimic the natural immunity that follows an infection, except natural immunity is broader and likely lifelong. Vaccine immunity is usually not lifelong. There are some exceptions for vaccines that use live, attenuated viral antigens such as MMR.
A person who has recovered from a viral infection was exposed to all viral epitopes, so their immune system creates multiple antibodies and multiple T cells in response. The C19 "vaccines" all target the spike protein only. They provide a narrow window of protection compared to natural infection. No one who has recovered from C19 needs a C19 "vaccine". Anyone who says otherwise is misinformed or they are lying.
The EUAs for all C19 "vaccines" do not claim to prevent infection or transmission of the virus. They only claim to mitigate symptoms with infection. In short, they are leaky. "Fully vaccinated" people can still become infected, can still become ill, can still be hospitalized, and can still die of the infection. The clinical trials demonstrated that the C19 "vaccines" provide 90%-95% protection from symptomatic infection...for two months. The trials are ongoing and will not end until 2022 and 2023.
To date, there have been an unknown number of breakthrough infections. The CDC lowered the PCR cycle threshold from 40-45 (which is basically noise) to 28 cycles for breakthrough infections. They later decided to only report breakthrough infections that ended in hospitalization or death. They have not updated the numbers in a couple weeks. We do not know how effective these injections are at preventing infection let alone serious illness and death.
The virus appears to be seasonal, so we cannot say with certainty that the drop in cases is a result of "vaccinations". Per worldometers, the daily "case count" for the end of May 2020 was actually lower than the "case count" for the end of May 2021. There were no "vaccines" in May of 2020.
We now know that spike protein is the most dangerous part of the virus and can itself cause damage to the endothelial cells that line all lymph and blood vessels.
We know that all C19 "vaccines" co-opt the cellular mechanism to produce the millions, perhaps billions, of viral spikes for an unknown period of time. Some estimates are as long as six months. There is exactly zero proof that the vaccine-encoded spike is any less virulent or dangerous that the wild virus spike.
We were told that the lipid nanoparticles in the mRNA "vaccines" do not leave the injection site. This is not true. A recent Japanese animal study of the Pfizer vaccine demonstrated that the lipid nanoparticles enter the blood and lymph systems and accumulate in the organs...especially the spleen, liver, adrenals, and ovaries. We have no earthly idea what the long-term consequences of that reality will be for the "vaccinated", especially for children.
We were told that the vaccine encoded spike would stick to the cell membrane and could not enter the blood stream. This is not true. Another recent study found vaccine-encoded spike in the blood plasma of 11 of 13 study participants for about two weeks after the first injection. Since viral antigens persist in the tissues for days, weeks, or months after an infection...we cannot say with any certainty that the vaccine-encoded spike was cleared from the bodies of these participants. We can only say the vaccine-encoded spike was no longer detected in the blood plasma.
The CDC and WHO both agree that this virus has an IFR of 0.15% for all ages, and an IFR of 0.03% for people age 70 and younger. This viral outbreak is a little more dangerous than the average yearly flu across all ages and is about one-third as dangerous for those age 70 and younger. Children have very low morbidity and mortality from this virus, unlike the influenza virus.
The CDC recently released mortality data analysis. About 5% of those who died had C19 as their only cause of death. The other 95% had on average four co-morbid conditions or causes of death. The average age of death was around 80 years.
Why are you allowing yourself to be injected with an experimental genetic therapy using an experimental technology never before approved for human use to protect you from a virus that is less dangerous than the yearly flu for most people?
And, if you are concerned about the weird cardiovascular symptoms associated with this virus, why are you allowing yourself to be injected with a "vaccine" that co-opts your cells to make millions of copies of the very protein that causes those symptoms. It doesn't make sense.
You may not have known before. You do now.
Why do you want others to take the risk?
Why are silent when the government bypasses the parent-child relationship and allows a child to get an experimental "vaccine" without parental consent or knowledge?
Governments have made life a misery for so many people for over a year, that any chance I get to stamp my foot and say, "no," well, I'm going to do it. No surprise, that goes for the vaccine as well. (Also I'm low risk, also likely immune. If SARS-CoV-2 came from a lab, maybe I can say I have the Wuhan vaccine.) Now with a politician pushing PC822 for vaccine passports here in PR, I'm even more likely to say, "no." Because if they push me, I'll push back. I suppose the government figures the threat of a passport will "encourage" an uptick in vaccinations. The coercion might have the opposite effect.
A few months ago, I read an article about medical professionals who were holding off on the vaccine. The "reporter" had the gall to indeed play the "I'm on the side of science game." He suggested that the doctors and nurses were ill-informed. After all, he said, the general public is sometimes more well-versed in scientific matters than doctors and nurses because doctors and nurses specialize or some such nonsense.
This entire “clown world” has been brought to us by “experts.” The basis of Gato’s immunology lesson for today is middle school science if I remember correctly. Well that was a long time ago and today’s kittens are getting more indoctrination than education.
I wish I could like this x100. Thank you. Hadn’t seen that Cleveland study. I’ve stopped trying to explain to people that I had covid and don’t need a vaccine after 4 out of 5 people tried to convince me otherwise. I don’t enjoy hitting me head against a brick wall.
I got an antibody test yesterday to check for the possibility of an asymptomatic infection for this reason - to be better informed when conducting the risk/benefit analysis. Also, I promise not to spam this, but I put it in a fading thread, so I'll leave it here too:
I'm increasingly convinced Covid-19 was used as the vehicle to deliver to market a product with a potential trillion dollar future: mRNA tech. This would explain the contradictions of a global shutdown panic amongst a set who knew Covid-19 wasn't Capt Trips by the time the Diamond Princess data was counted. It also accounts for the apparently deep international lockstep coordination across industries and governments that didn't just organically appear fully formed in March 2020. Finally, it provides a universal motive for covering up the lab hypo long enough to get the 'vaccines' (i.e. mRNA gene therapies) to market.
Gato - What do you think of an Oxford study released today about previous infection?
In UK news, the study is described as: "Previous Covid infection may not offer long-term protection".
The study itself is titled "Divergent trajectories of antiviral memory afterSARS-Cov-2 infection". From a small group of health care workers (n=78), using machine-learning models, the researchers concluded: "Importantly, previous infection may not give ongoing protection against [variants of concern] months later, and people with asymptomatic infection had lower responses at all time points across many of the immune parameters we measured."
I respect your analysis of medical research, so I'd be very interested in how you find this Oxford study, particularly in comparison to the Ohio study.
There are a lot of things that trouble me about the COVID Dumpster Fire (tm) but on the vaccination front, it actually seems more straight-forward. According to the VAERS data I have seen, the rate of death, post-vaccination, is something like 25 times higher for the C19 vaccines than for something like the influenza vaccines. In terms of numbers, from what I understand, there are 195M flu vaccinations annually that result in <200 deaths. We have had, to date, 160M C19 vaccinations that have resulted in >4,400 deaths. That seems like a big difference to me, regardless of the (very valid) issue of previous immunity. Am I missing something?
Why was immunity vis-a-vis natural infection ever a question? If infection doesn't confer immunity, folks, then vaccination doesn't confer immunity. The argument against immunity from natural infection (which exposes one to all viral epitopes and therefore provides broad protection) coming from medical and public health professionals was an early red flag.
I've been doing battle on Fakebook trying to get information to those who might want or need it for weeks. They usually shut me down within a few comments...often for 24-48 hours. I'm certain I've was caught up in the surveillance that Project Veritas revealed a couple weeks ago.
I wrote the following blurb about natural immunity, "vaccine" risks, and other pertinent informaton...so I could convey significant information in one post before they shut me down. I may be shouting into the wind, but I feel a moral obligation to share what I know so people can make their own decisions. I am usually swarmed by trolls; but, once in a while, someone thanks me. :)
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Vaccine immunity is meant to mimic the natural immunity that follows an infection, except natural immunity is broader and likely lifelong. Vaccine immunity is usually not lifelong. There are some exceptions for vaccines that use live, attenuated viral antigens such as MMR.
A person who has recovered from a viral infection was exposed to all viral epitopes, so their immune system creates multiple antibodies and multiple T cells in response. The C19 "vaccines" all target the spike protein only. They provide a narrow window of protection compared to natural infection. No one who has recovered from C19 needs a C19 "vaccine". Anyone who says otherwise is misinformed or they are lying.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/01/06/1015822/covid-19-immunity-likely-lasts-for-years/
The EUAs for all C19 "vaccines" do not claim to prevent infection or transmission of the virus. They only claim to mitigate symptoms with infection. In short, they are leaky. "Fully vaccinated" people can still become infected, can still become ill, can still be hospitalized, and can still die of the infection. The clinical trials demonstrated that the C19 "vaccines" provide 90%-95% protection from symptomatic infection...for two months. The trials are ongoing and will not end until 2022 and 2023.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/janssen-covid-19-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions
To date, there have been an unknown number of breakthrough infections. The CDC lowered the PCR cycle threshold from 40-45 (which is basically noise) to 28 cycles for breakthrough infections. They later decided to only report breakthrough infections that ended in hospitalization or death. They have not updated the numbers in a couple weeks. We do not know how effective these injections are at preventing infection let alone serious illness and death.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
The virus appears to be seasonal, so we cannot say with certainty that the drop in cases is a result of "vaccinations". Per worldometers, the daily "case count" for the end of May 2020 was actually lower than the "case count" for the end of May 2021. There were no "vaccines" in May of 2020.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/?fbclid=IwAR17N260FpFaSVwxlq38CIi-8jCi9Dsyblg1tmQFCvoeyzW3cfW51VT3IaY
We now know that spike protein is the most dangerous part of the virus and can itself cause damage to the endothelial cells that line all lymph and blood vessels.
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
We know that all C19 "vaccines" co-opt the cellular mechanism to produce the millions, perhaps billions, of viral spikes for an unknown period of time. Some estimates are as long as six months. There is exactly zero proof that the vaccine-encoded spike is any less virulent or dangerous that the wild virus spike.
We were told that the lipid nanoparticles in the mRNA "vaccines" do not leave the injection site. This is not true. A recent Japanese animal study of the Pfizer vaccine demonstrated that the lipid nanoparticles enter the blood and lymph systems and accumulate in the organs...especially the spleen, liver, adrenals, and ovaries. We have no earthly idea what the long-term consequences of that reality will be for the "vaccinated", especially for children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sis1Sddzbqk
https://www.pmda.go.jp/drugs/2021/P20210212001/672212000_30300AMX00231_I100_1.pdf
We were told that the vaccine encoded spike would stick to the cell membrane and could not enter the blood stream. This is not true. Another recent study found vaccine-encoded spike in the blood plasma of 11 of 13 study participants for about two weeks after the first injection. Since viral antigens persist in the tissues for days, weeks, or months after an infection...we cannot say with any certainty that the vaccine-encoded spike was cleared from the bodies of these participants. We can only say the vaccine-encoded spike was no longer detected in the blood plasma.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075
The CDC and WHO both agree that this virus has an IFR of 0.15% for all ages, and an IFR of 0.03% for people age 70 and younger. This viral outbreak is a little more dangerous than the average yearly flu across all ages and is about one-third as dangerous for those age 70 and younger. Children have very low morbidity and mortality from this virus, unlike the influenza virus.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13554
The CDC recently released mortality data analysis. About 5% of those who died had C19 as their only cause of death. The other 95% had on average four co-morbid conditions or causes of death. The average age of death was around 80 years.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR3-wrg3tTKK5-9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q
Why are you allowing yourself to be injected with an experimental genetic therapy using an experimental technology never before approved for human use to protect you from a virus that is less dangerous than the yearly flu for most people?
And, if you are concerned about the weird cardiovascular symptoms associated with this virus, why are you allowing yourself to be injected with a "vaccine" that co-opts your cells to make millions of copies of the very protein that causes those symptoms. It doesn't make sense.
You may not have known before. You do now.
Why do you want others to take the risk?
Why are silent when the government bypasses the parent-child relationship and allows a child to get an experimental "vaccine" without parental consent or knowledge?
Have they really broken you that badly?
https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23
Thank you! So thorough!
Wow... excellent compilation of information.
Thanks for this. I have cited several of the same references, but it is always nice to have them handy in one place!
Thanks. I had to find a way to thwart the Fakebook "fact checkers". They just shut me down again. Aargh!
Very nice compilation. Thank you!
Governments have made life a misery for so many people for over a year, that any chance I get to stamp my foot and say, "no," well, I'm going to do it. No surprise, that goes for the vaccine as well. (Also I'm low risk, also likely immune. If SARS-CoV-2 came from a lab, maybe I can say I have the Wuhan vaccine.) Now with a politician pushing PC822 for vaccine passports here in PR, I'm even more likely to say, "no." Because if they push me, I'll push back. I suppose the government figures the threat of a passport will "encourage" an uptick in vaccinations. The coercion might have the opposite effect.
A few months ago, I read an article about medical professionals who were holding off on the vaccine. The "reporter" had the gall to indeed play the "I'm on the side of science game." He suggested that the doctors and nurses were ill-informed. After all, he said, the general public is sometimes more well-versed in scientific matters than doctors and nurses because doctors and nurses specialize or some such nonsense.
Clown world.
in dd eisenhower's military industry complex speech of 1/1961 he also warned of technocrats, and experts used by politicians.....
experts are not elected, but they are used by elected as appeal to authority to deny truth and debate.
the great assault un trump included his refusing to obey the think tanks dictators.....
democrats on the other hand like the think tank dictators' cash....
appeal to authority and cherry picking along with a bunch of gas lighting.... there goes liberty
This entire “clown world” has been brought to us by “experts.” The basis of Gato’s immunology lesson for today is middle school science if I remember correctly. Well that was a long time ago and today’s kittens are getting more indoctrination than education.
pardon me miss gaye, but i think that maybe they don't teach science in middle school anymore.
i think i read somewhere that it was critical to drop it for some sort of other theory. oh, and for racing. i guess they do more PE now?
And maybe sexualization masquerading as sex ed? Oh, but wait...Pepe Le Pew got canned! C’est dommage!
I wish I could like this x100. Thank you. Hadn’t seen that Cleveland study. I’ve stopped trying to explain to people that I had covid and don’t need a vaccine after 4 out of 5 people tried to convince me otherwise. I don’t enjoy hitting me head against a brick wall.
the unthinking adore vaccines for the recovered.....
i have direct knowledge of a recovered >70 who ran out and got the vaccine
down side she exposed herself to a different protein and a potential new set of long term effects from the mrna vax
but no 'expert' with a platform talks balance and downside of pharma profiteering
logic and reason are the gravest losses of the panicked response
I got an antibody test yesterday to check for the possibility of an asymptomatic infection for this reason - to be better informed when conducting the risk/benefit analysis. Also, I promise not to spam this, but I put it in a fading thread, so I'll leave it here too:
I'm increasingly convinced Covid-19 was used as the vehicle to deliver to market a product with a potential trillion dollar future: mRNA tech. This would explain the contradictions of a global shutdown panic amongst a set who knew Covid-19 wasn't Capt Trips by the time the Diamond Princess data was counted. It also accounts for the apparently deep international lockstep coordination across industries and governments that didn't just organically appear fully formed in March 2020. Finally, it provides a universal motive for covering up the lab hypo long enough to get the 'vaccines' (i.e. mRNA gene therapies) to market.
truth is divested since the virus escaped from the lab.
the entire reaction to a severe flu that cleaned out a lot of frail elderly who have ducked the past several flus..... has been political and economic
political to grab power and reduce indiviual liberty
economic to foist vaccines, and deny cheaper less dangerous medical/pharma response
some hated trump others invested in vaccines....
truth, and free dialogue denied.
that is going to be very hard very shortly. The decision is rapidly being taken out of your hands. all for your own good of course
Gato - What do you think of an Oxford study released today about previous infection?
In UK news, the study is described as: "Previous Covid infection may not offer long-term protection".
The study itself is titled "Divergent trajectories of antiviral memory afterSARS-Cov-2 infection". From a small group of health care workers (n=78), using machine-learning models, the researchers concluded: "Importantly, previous infection may not give ongoing protection against [variants of concern] months later, and people with asymptomatic infection had lower responses at all time points across many of the immune parameters we measured."
Link to the pre-print of the Oxford study: https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-612205/v1_covered.pdf
I respect your analysis of medical research, so I'd be very interested in how you find this Oxford study, particularly in comparison to the Ohio study.
Un saludo,
Carolina
you said it your self: one is a model the other is real life; which you going to trust?
might it change. of course
There are a lot of things that trouble me about the COVID Dumpster Fire (tm) but on the vaccination front, it actually seems more straight-forward. According to the VAERS data I have seen, the rate of death, post-vaccination, is something like 25 times higher for the C19 vaccines than for something like the influenza vaccines. In terms of numbers, from what I understand, there are 195M flu vaccinations annually that result in <200 deaths. We have had, to date, 160M C19 vaccinations that have resulted in >4,400 deaths. That seems like a big difference to me, regardless of the (very valid) issue of previous immunity. Am I missing something?