vaccination shows no benefit to those who already had covid
requiring them to vaccinate is medical malpractice. period.
the cleveland clinic performed a study on vaccination of its 52,238 employees.
surprising absolutely no one, it showed that prior covid infection works as well or better than vaccination in generating resistance to future covid infection.
i cannot over-emphasize that this is and always has been the base case scenario. vaccines are just a way to (hopefully more safely) train your immune system to recognize and respond effectively to a pathogen. that’s what resistance is.
there is no reason (nor has there ever been) to presume that a vaccine would do a better job of training your immune system.
there is, in fact, reason to generally assume that the pathogen itself would provide better training.
we do not vaccinate people because it’s more effective than natural immunity.
we do it because vaccines are lower risk and medicine is always and everywhere a matter of assessing and balancing risk and reward.
so let’s look at the data:
obviously, the first striking outcome here is that not a single previously infected yet unvaccinated person contracted covid.
0 of 1,359 prev infected and unvaccinated got covid. tough to beat 100% efficacy. those previously infected were younger (39 y/o vs 42) than those not infected and had a much higher incidence of patient facing jobs (65% vs 51%)
incidence of covid infection among the vaccinated was 15 out of 26,882 among those who were covid naïve. (0.056% infection rate)
incidence of covid infection was 2,139 of 22,777 among those who had not had covid and were not vaccinated. (9.39%)
so, vaccines look to have had strong ability to prevent further infection, but actually having had covid and recovering provided even stronger protection. this is in line with the results of the israeli study which also showed high efficacy for both, but higher efficacy for natural immunity.
i really wish that the study had tracked covid severity, symptomatic vs asymptomatic, and hospitalizations and or deaths as well as vaccine AE’s. this could have provided us with the tools to assess another really important outcome because there was one other striking piece of data here:
41% of cleveland clinic employees who has not previously been infected with covid chose not to get vaccinated.
this is quite a high number, below even the targets most states are using for vaccination. these are the employees of one of the top medical systems on earth. they had ready, free, and early access to vaccines. presumably, they are as well or better informed about vaccine benefits and risks as just about any meaningful group you could pick.
so why did they do this?
probably because, as i said above, medicine is ALWAYS about risk and reward. these vaccines are, by vaccine standards, very high risk. rates of complications are on the order of 100X those of other vaccines in common use. that’s quite high in relative terms, but this is not necessarily germane as the safety on most common vaccines is so high that you’re getting into “10X your risk of being struck by lightning” sort of territory. but it’s certainly non-zero.
so, for the young and healthy, for whom covid has always posed low risks, often at or below those of flu, it may make sense not to vaccinate. it’s simply less risky to get the disease, especially iterated probabilistically across a population.
it looks like 41% of the staff at cleveland clinics chose to go that route. this would seem to throw some quite cold water on the breathless moralizers trying to tar anyone refusing to get an experimental jab as an anti-vaxxer or some sort of luddite. these are the employees of on the best medical systems to ever exist in the history of the human race. you really want to play the credentialism and “i’m on the side of science” game with them?
before making such claims, perhaps consider if this is a product you might benefit from:
the idea that these young and healthy people somehow owe it to you or to society to take on costs in excess of benefit to “protect you” or “protect others” falls similarly flat.
once you are vaccinated, you are already so safe (less than 1/20th the death risk of flu) that nothing anyone else does can possibly make a meaningful difference to you. there is no difference left to make.
demand that they vaccinate to protect you is not science, it’s medical malpractice. so, again, see product offering above.
conclusions:
resistant population = recovered + vaccinated
using vaccinated alone as a standard is anti-science and anti-social. period.
there is literally no argument there.
vaxx passports and political policy that does not take the recovered into account is pseudoscientific twaddle rooted either in staggering ignorance or outright cupidity in pursuit of authoritarian aims or medical profiteering.
if you have had covid, getting the vaccine offers no incremental benefit, only incremental risk. that is the literal definition of medical malpractice.
among those who have not had covid, getting the vaccine is a matter of weighing cost and benefit:
for the high risk, vaccination may be a very sensible policy.
for the low risk, young, and healthy, it may be a bad choice with risks > reward.
make your own call, consult your trusted expert, etc. but do so knowing that that this is a benefit analysis, not some moral edict.
many quite smart and well informed people have chosen not to get the vaccine and it is not their moral obligation to take undue risks to protect you, especially when you have the ready option to vaccinate and reduce your own risk to negligible levels.
make the choice that’s right for you and respect the choices of others.
seriously, is that so fricking hard?
Why was immunity vis-a-vis natural infection ever a question? If infection doesn't confer immunity, folks, then vaccination doesn't confer immunity. The argument against immunity from natural infection (which exposes one to all viral epitopes and therefore provides broad protection) coming from medical and public health professionals was an early red flag.
I've been doing battle on Fakebook trying to get information to those who might want or need it for weeks. They usually shut me down within a few comments...often for 24-48 hours. I'm certain I've was caught up in the surveillance that Project Veritas revealed a couple weeks ago.
I wrote the following blurb about natural immunity, "vaccine" risks, and other pertinent informaton...so I could convey significant information in one post before they shut me down. I may be shouting into the wind, but I feel a moral obligation to share what I know so people can make their own decisions. I am usually swarmed by trolls; but, once in a while, someone thanks me. :)
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Vaccine immunity is meant to mimic the natural immunity that follows an infection, except natural immunity is broader and likely lifelong. Vaccine immunity is usually not lifelong. There are some exceptions for vaccines that use live, attenuated viral antigens such as MMR.
A person who has recovered from a viral infection was exposed to all viral epitopes, so their immune system creates multiple antibodies and multiple T cells in response. The C19 "vaccines" all target the spike protein only. They provide a narrow window of protection compared to natural infection. No one who has recovered from C19 needs a C19 "vaccine". Anyone who says otherwise is misinformed or they are lying.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/01/06/1015822/covid-19-immunity-likely-lasts-for-years/
The EUAs for all C19 "vaccines" do not claim to prevent infection or transmission of the virus. They only claim to mitigate symptoms with infection. In short, they are leaky. "Fully vaccinated" people can still become infected, can still become ill, can still be hospitalized, and can still die of the infection. The clinical trials demonstrated that the C19 "vaccines" provide 90%-95% protection from symptomatic infection...for two months. The trials are ongoing and will not end until 2022 and 2023.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/janssen-covid-19-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions
To date, there have been an unknown number of breakthrough infections. The CDC lowered the PCR cycle threshold from 40-45 (which is basically noise) to 28 cycles for breakthrough infections. They later decided to only report breakthrough infections that ended in hospitalization or death. They have not updated the numbers in a couple weeks. We do not know how effective these injections are at preventing infection let alone serious illness and death.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
The virus appears to be seasonal, so we cannot say with certainty that the drop in cases is a result of "vaccinations". Per worldometers, the daily "case count" for the end of May 2020 was actually lower than the "case count" for the end of May 2021. There were no "vaccines" in May of 2020.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/?fbclid=IwAR17N260FpFaSVwxlq38CIi-8jCi9Dsyblg1tmQFCvoeyzW3cfW51VT3IaY
We now know that spike protein is the most dangerous part of the virus and can itself cause damage to the endothelial cells that line all lymph and blood vessels.
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
We know that all C19 "vaccines" co-opt the cellular mechanism to produce the millions, perhaps billions, of viral spikes for an unknown period of time. Some estimates are as long as six months. There is exactly zero proof that the vaccine-encoded spike is any less virulent or dangerous that the wild virus spike.
We were told that the lipid nanoparticles in the mRNA "vaccines" do not leave the injection site. This is not true. A recent Japanese animal study of the Pfizer vaccine demonstrated that the lipid nanoparticles enter the blood and lymph systems and accumulate in the organs...especially the spleen, liver, adrenals, and ovaries. We have no earthly idea what the long-term consequences of that reality will be for the "vaccinated", especially for children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sis1Sddzbqk
https://www.pmda.go.jp/drugs/2021/P20210212001/672212000_30300AMX00231_I100_1.pdf
We were told that the vaccine encoded spike would stick to the cell membrane and could not enter the blood stream. This is not true. Another recent study found vaccine-encoded spike in the blood plasma of 11 of 13 study participants for about two weeks after the first injection. Since viral antigens persist in the tissues for days, weeks, or months after an infection...we cannot say with any certainty that the vaccine-encoded spike was cleared from the bodies of these participants. We can only say the vaccine-encoded spike was no longer detected in the blood plasma.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075
The CDC and WHO both agree that this virus has an IFR of 0.15% for all ages, and an IFR of 0.03% for people age 70 and younger. This viral outbreak is a little more dangerous than the average yearly flu across all ages and is about one-third as dangerous for those age 70 and younger. Children have very low morbidity and mortality from this virus, unlike the influenza virus.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13554
The CDC recently released mortality data analysis. About 5% of those who died had C19 as their only cause of death. The other 95% had on average four co-morbid conditions or causes of death. The average age of death was around 80 years.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR3-wrg3tTKK5-9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q
Why are you allowing yourself to be injected with an experimental genetic therapy using an experimental technology never before approved for human use to protect you from a virus that is less dangerous than the yearly flu for most people?
And, if you are concerned about the weird cardiovascular symptoms associated with this virus, why are you allowing yourself to be injected with a "vaccine" that co-opts your cells to make millions of copies of the very protein that causes those symptoms. It doesn't make sense.
You may not have known before. You do now.
Why do you want others to take the risk?
Why are silent when the government bypasses the parent-child relationship and allows a child to get an experimental "vaccine" without parental consent or knowledge?
Have they really broken you that badly?
https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23
Governments have made life a misery for so many people for over a year, that any chance I get to stamp my foot and say, "no," well, I'm going to do it. No surprise, that goes for the vaccine as well. (Also I'm low risk, also likely immune. If SARS-CoV-2 came from a lab, maybe I can say I have the Wuhan vaccine.) Now with a politician pushing PC822 for vaccine passports here in PR, I'm even more likely to say, "no." Because if they push me, I'll push back. I suppose the government figures the threat of a passport will "encourage" an uptick in vaccinations. The coercion might have the opposite effect.
A few months ago, I read an article about medical professionals who were holding off on the vaccine. The "reporter" had the gall to indeed play the "I'm on the side of science game." He suggested that the doctors and nurses were ill-informed. After all, he said, the general public is sometimes more well-versed in scientific matters than doctors and nurses because doctors and nurses specialize or some such nonsense.
Clown world.