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Mark's avatar

I thought Trump was horrible. I’m super surprised people think he did well. I guess it just shows how pathetic Biden was. Neither one of them could articulate a coherent thought or how they would solve an important issue. We need a do-over to choose new candidates on both sides.

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TiredofThis's avatar

I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016, but when I woke up the morning after the election and realized Hillary hadn’t won, I was so elated and realized I never should have sat out.

He is an oaf, a narcissist who can’t get out of his own way, and there were many times I prayed for him to just SHUT UP.

BUT …

He governed far better than I ever expected (until Covid) even though he didn’t keep his promises to drain the swamp (and he’s reaping the consequences of that failure now with the lawfare he’s facing). He stayed up to the wee hours to welcome home hostages and heroes, he put our country first, at least more than any other president in my lifetime, maybe even more than Reagan.

Do I wish we had another option? Yes. But that was never going to happen. So now we play the cards we’ve been dealt, and we hope Trump is finally mad enough to do what he said he would do in the first place.

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Pelopidas's avatar

I vote Trump because of the enemies he’s created. He’s hated by all the right people.

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carily myers's avatar

agee 100%

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I agree with most of this.

I also have to give him some grace on what he DID NOT accomplish. Who among us could even organize a pep rally with so many foes and non-stop BS hurled at us?

I know I wake up some days with a to-do list as long as my arm but 2-3 obstacles

derail it all. Imagine trying to drain that swamp while

drowning in swamp

sludge and BS, back door deals frenemies.

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AJoy's avatar

Agree with you absolutely. I give DJT a lot of credit and like he said last night, he could be doing something else with the rest of his life, he doesn’t need to go through this Bs again. They will certainly continue to pull every stop if he gets back in.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

they will incite civil war if necessary, for they are on the right side of history....in their minds....cuz....HITLER!!!

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TiredofThis's avatar

Definitely. As an outsider, he was up against it. And he unfortunately didn’t “surround himself with the best people” as promised - there was a lot of bad advice from his daughter and son-in-law and people like Pompeo, McConnell, Graham, etc. Imagine what he could have done if he’d had solid, Consitutional advisers around him.

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Susan G's avatar

Like the people who advised him on his Supreme Court picks? Gorsuch is superior, Kavanaugh questionable (another Roberts?), and Barrett at best an extreme disappointment.

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TiredofThis's avatar

Exactly.

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Moonspinner's avatar

It worse than that. Read that SenateAnon wrote in 2017 about what Trump was up against. Here's the archived link:

https://archive.is/SMiOt

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William's avatar

This is not fairy tale fantasy time. You have 2 choices (if your vote has even the smallest chance of making a difference).

I make the adult choice of voting policy. Not, well, he says mean things. **As though creepy Joe was always nice, courteous respectful. He was far worse because his vengeful comments disproved his ‘I am a nice regular, everyday Joe. A super likable but forgetful (where the hell did I leave the bodies) sycophant next door. Right, “Dr” Hur. So, as always, I vote policies. Yeah, Trump was crappy on a lot of trade and entitlement programs, but I enjoyed 2.25 p/gal gas, leaving a with grocery cart full of food for less than $200.00, no wars, terrorists in check(mate), Putin Chi?, and the Mullahs calm.

The man speaks coherently. Is he bombastic, yes. Is he mean, sometimes when attacked.

Someone punches me in the face said do not respond with courteous, peaceful platitudes.

As for me, we need a UFC fighter to save our country.

Trump, blemishes and all is universes better than that scarecrow Manchurian candidate.

How ironic, Trump destroyed the enemy with their complete home field advantage.

No time for celebration, bring it all the way home. MAGA 2025.

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AJoy's avatar

Absolutely 💯 correct. People are so much like sheep and mind controlled will never vote R or for the orange man bad lol, they are goners IMO. I would take DJT with all his cringe worthy but sometimes hysterical comments any day. Voted for him twice, hated what we went through with coofid-1984 and wish he’d speak more to that but I won’t get my hopes up.

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Luke's avatar

@Tired ….I’m with you 100%. Trump does not try and obfuscate Traditional American Culture in which the hard left and elite have worked so very hard to squash.

Trump also has some sort of crazy magnet built in. He draws out the craziest shit on the wall smearing people on both sides of the isle. Damn I wish I knew how he did that.

That’s about the entire base of Dem party. I have noticed it’s the usually the hard liners on the right who usually lack the ability to think in terms aside from black and white. They don’t do nuance nor think a couple steps ahead.

That’s being said, I hold out very little hope for the position we find ourselves in today. I will vote for Trump because he does tend to represent Apple Pie Americans or at least does not come after you for being one. And also, just maybe Trump gets in and has sweet revenge in the offing.

I just wouldn’t get my hopes up over any of it.

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AJoy's avatar

I too agree with most not all of what you said. DJT became President because the people saw America was going in the wrong direction. He is not a politician, he’s a NY business man. He makes deals. He kept us out of war and destroyed ISIS. Prices were lower and so was gas. People were working. Immigration was under control. He was helping the Middle East and Israel. I could go on and on. Anyone who doesn’t see this I feel sorry for. It’s all a game with two teams and every 4 years we scream and yell and hope our team wins. Not much changes. But if JB stays in power you can bet WWW3 is right around the corner.

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VeryVer's avatar

I too was relieved when hrc lost. Surprised myself.

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Mitch's avatar

nailed it!

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MarcusBierce's avatar

Covid had nothing to do with him, and is a Western Global Operation, through and through.

If Trump is re-elected, there will be another one. In fact, no matter who is elected, there are more lockdowns and quarantining and all the rest on the way

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Robert C Culwell's avatar

The swamp 🐊was deeper than expected but still needs draining 🦟🦂🐍🕷️🕸️🐀🪳🪱🌲 MAGA!

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

We're not electing our pastor or our next-door neighbor, or the guy we want to write our wedding vows for us.

We're electing the f'n leader of the free world and the guy who'll run America for the next 4 years.

Maybe understand the consequences facing America, and recognize the GOOD that Trump did for 4 years while he had one hand tied behind his back BY HIS OWN PARTY and while the ENTIRETY of the alphabet legacy corporate media used every dirty trick in the book to denigrate his tenure in office (to wit: something like 90% of the media's coverage of Trump was negative) and made people (like you?) think his time in office was a disaster.

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JealousPhinehas's avatar

Donald's covid inflation has killed my purchasing power. Donald's vaxx gave my Grandpa a heart attack 2 days after injection. Donald's covid policies made my Grandmother go literally insane from forced seclusion in a seniors home, and die. Donald's covid propaganda assisted in destroying my family peace for years.

To this day he thinks his performance was stellar and that he should get more credit for it. I don't need corporate media to give me reasons for why Donald Trump sucks.

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

Biden's covid inflation was worse that Trump's (and those of us who plan ahead used the means of that inflation to ... BG&A), AND, it was far less necessary and known to be less necessary - UNnecessary, in fact - than Trump's reaction to the bioweapon that at the time wasn't known to be a bioweapon.

Furthermore, Donald only provided the vaxx; it was BIDEN who tried his damndest, and succeeded in far too many cases, to MANDATE the jab. Trump didn't force your Grandpa to take the jab. He did that of his own volition. By the time the jabs were available to the public, MILLIONS of us Purebloods already knew it was a fool's gamble. So maybe blame yourself, not Trump, for not pressuring your Grandpa to NOT take an untested, experimental gene therapy.

And it wasn't "Donald's covid propaganda" that assisted in destroying your family peace. THAT one is entirely on ... YOUR FAMILY.

Jeez, you really are a LIV. You have a binary choice between Biden, under whom far MORE Americans died of Covid even though the "safe and effective" jab was available, and Trump, who never mandated a g/d thing.

LIV and TDS.

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AJoy's avatar

I agree with you. What does LIV stand for?

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X. P. Callahan's avatar

Low-information voter.

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Carolyn's avatar

The choices were their own. You could have made sure your grandmother didn't suffer from being alone. You could have stood up and refused the mask, the social distancing and the shots. Don't blame others for what you didn't do. I didn't like any of "them" or their policies so I didn't follow any of the lies. I had family and friends who did. I told them truths but they didn't listen. The choice was their own. Some died, some are still suffering and some will die or have issues to deal with in the future. I did what I was required to do. The choice and the responsibilities still lie with them.

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JealousPhinehas's avatar

You have no idea what my circumstances are, what I did, or what my family did , but thanks for your ignorant comments on my families decisions.

When the media lies and the masses believe the lies, is it only the masses fault, or does the media share in the blame? When Donald lies and his henchmen Fauci, Birx, etc lie, do they share in the blame for the results of those lies, or is it only the believers in the lies to blame? It's 4 years later and Donald is still proud of all of it.

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

Jesus Christ, YOU were the one who invoked YOUR family! Don't now cop an attitude when others of us reference YOUR reference.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

He's blocking everyone now....cuz he's a coward.

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JealousPhinehas's avatar

I block people who I know will never write something worth reading. Unfortunately, Substack still shows me your comments after blocking you so it seems to have done little for me. You didn't offend me, I was just bored of reading your spam.

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JealousPhinehas's avatar

When I provide an anecdote, that doesn't give you license to inject your assumptions into it, turn it into a fictional story, then commentate your fairy tale that loosely related to my anecdote.

For example, in your dumbass reply you said " Trump didn't force your Grandpa to take the jab. He did that of his own volition. "

My Grandpa has dementia, he can't remember what he ate for breakfast and when he was given the shot, it was illegally in a nursing home, against his families direct orders. Do you understand now?

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

"When I provide an anecdote, that doesn't give you license to inject your assumptions into it, turn it into a fictional story, then commentate your fairy tale that loosely related to my anecdote."

Of COURSE it gives us license!

Because your anecdote is every bit as likely a "fictional story" as anything anyone else might write in response.

Why do you, and you alone, deserve the presumption of telling the truth, especially when your anecdote just so happens to support YOUR preferred narrative?!

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AJoy's avatar

Ditto

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Well then just vote for totalitarianism and be done with it

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JealousPhinehas's avatar

I already lived through totalitarianism under Donald, and won't be voting for it this time around either. Thanks.

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Steve's avatar

The Covid lock downs were all Joe Biden. Biden needed the lock downs to enable him to cheat on the election. Your memory of who is to blame for the lock downs isn't very good... kinda like Biden's memory.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

and they masked kids for two fucking years cuz they're cowards.

no comparison between most red and blue states. not even close.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

Biden is worse than Trump.

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AJoy's avatar

Exactly

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JealousPhinehas's avatar

Covid lockdowns started March/April 2020. Biden took office January 20, 2021. What are you talking about?

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Susan G's avatar

I am still angry at Trump for being rolled by Fauci and Brix. But Trump pushed for reopening starting in May. I am unhappy Trump doesn't have the intellectual curiosity to learn what the vaccine really is and the damage it has caused. But it was Biden who insisted on vaccine mandates, Biden who cheerleaded masking, Biden who supported the teacher's unions desire to keep schools closed. And governors were responsible for no funerals, locking the aged in old folks homes, etc. Comparing restrictions in New York and Florida prove my statement.

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MSK's avatar

And the teachers unions really doubled down on closings and masking kids when Trump was starting to suggest we reopen things. As did the AAP. And organization that no longer actually supports what is best for children while pretending they do.

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Sonia Nordenson's avatar

Talking about mandates.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

The difference is Biden was EVIL about it.

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CeeMcG's avatar

And the worst lockdowns were in blue cities and states. That wasn’t Trump’s doing.

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Yup, "Our patience is wearing thin" was absolute EVIL.

Everyone who mandated the injection must be hanged. Even merely talking in public about hanging them helps to protect us all.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

we're always on the same page Patrick

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William's avatar

Actually, Biden IS evil.

CSLewis’ Screwtape Letters anybody?

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Buddy123's avatar

Suggest you move to California, totalitarianism is on full display here!

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

Yes, he panicked, so to speak. Then he was out of office 9 months later.

By contrast, everything Biden and the Democrats did was deliberate and intentional, and with a FAR bigger body of knowledge about Covid and about the jabs than Trump had at HIS disposal, and, what Biden and Democrats did spanned 3+ *years*.

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Suzanne O'Keeffe's avatar

DOD told Trump what was going to happen. The important question is who told / ordered the DOD to launch this scam?

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Chiadrum's avatar

He ignored RFK in 2017 and signed off on the Scamdemic framework at that time. Possibly under extreme duress- but it is what it is. He will trade your life for his in a nanosecond.

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KatLee's avatar

He will trade your life for his? What?! He is out there in public day after day around thousands and thousands of people all the while the Dems encouraging their minions to take him out. Meanwhile, the lawfare against him continues unabated. Good grief, what a terrible take.

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Chiadrum's avatar

He already did. His own pencil thin ex wife died suddenly of a heart attack. Most likely due to his jabs, that he praises endlessly to this day. He will do whatever Pharma wants him to do. It already happened. He has screamed from the rafters that he regrets nothing. The only reason he is running is because of his stupid ego and revenge. He is a clown. Not a savior. He probably has beers with Killary behind the scenes. This is a WWE show. Talk about terrible takes.

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KatLee's avatar

😹😹😹

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AJoy's avatar

You were free to not comply and turn off the mind controlled msm bs.

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Laura's avatar

Donald did not require that anyone receive the shot. He made it a choice. Joe Bribeme forced it on people to the extent he possibly could. Had that shot not come out when it did, that lockdown would have lasted 10 years. Sometimes you choose the lesser of two evils. I’m sorry about your grandparents. The culprit there is the team of Fauci, Daszak, Baric, Biden (Hunter with Metabiota) and the rest of the monsters who invented that virus, including the Chinese guy (Yang, I think?) who invented the gene suppressor that has caused the explosion in cancers.

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MSK's avatar

It was NOT the shot that got us out of Covid. It was the omicron variant which was far less deadly. That was when deaths plummeted even though cases went way up. The shot was rolled,out a year earlier to healthcare workers, then to high risk populations, then to the general public. But by late summer of 2021, it was already obvious that the immunity from the shots was waning within 6 months as they healthcare workers vaccinated in January and February were catching delta version anyway.

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Carol Anne's avatar

I agree 100%. Andrew, your post IS GREAT!!!

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

LOL you're far too kind! And I like that you have an "e" in "Anne"!

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Excellent post

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William's avatar

Here, here. Exactly my sentiments.

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AJoy's avatar

Absolutely 💯 correct.

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Vxi7's avatar

mao zedong was also an innocent leader and his hands were tied behind his back by the CCP. lol.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

You're on a roll.

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Doug Ross's avatar

Looking past his bloviating, Trump's track record is exceptional, especially given the non-stop blob attacks on his administration for four continuous years.

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Mark's avatar

I don’t disagree but he missed so many opportunities to explain why things were better during his term to the low information voter. He just went off on tangents about “the best economy ever” and Biden being the “worst.”

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RSgva's avatar

Yes, I agree, and I was hoping better because his record was outstanding and Bidens so awful in so many ways. He seemed fairly uninformed, or had poor recall about all sorts of facts that would help him. All he had to do was talk about the groceries, rent and the price of gas again and again… instead it was repetitive generalizations that will not work on any other candidate but Biden.

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Susan G's avatar

I've read very similar comments on multiple sites today, and am troubled by them. Why no facts when I can recite many of them - inflation.1.4% Jan 2021, groceries 20% higher, gasoline $3.50 now vs $2.25 under Trump, mortgage rates 7% now, were 3%, no more 0% car loans, etc., etc., etc.

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AJoy's avatar

It looked like he was holding back on so much…I don’t know why, I would’ve had my list and just went through each item/accomplishment line by line.

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Suzie's avatar

…and THAT should be all that matters.

We have a crystal clear difference to view in the effects of how the two administrations governed, and the unquestionable results from each.

It’s a no brainer, unless you have no brain, or a death wish.

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Vxi7's avatar

operation warp speed exceptional.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

Joking, right?

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Vxi7's avatar

Sarcasm. Trump is establishment also and he was a very regular WEF visitor.

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beth02's avatar

Mark, I don’t think I would call Trumps debate performance horrible. It seemed clear to me that he went into the debate not certain how Biden was going to go after him. No one really knew if Biden was going to be Red Hitler, elder statesman, hammer the convicted felon thing, etc. Trump seemed genuinely stunned by how fragile and frail Biden was. You could plainly see he didn’t know if he should go for a kill shot, push him over the edge, let him hang himself, etc. He seemed like he just couldn’t get his footing. And I can’t blame him, I felt like I was watching a slow motion car wreck myself.

Trump has never been a debater to pull up stats or go long on policy. I’ve heard/seen him do that in long format interviews with a good interviewer - ie he is capable of doing that. Personally I need that information things because economy/inflation/illegal immigration/crime are so bad that I really need to hear a plan to detailed plan on how to pull the country out of this mess.

Biggest loser last night was not Joe Biden. It was the establishment media who lied and bullied us all for the last four years about everything: Covid, Vax, Insurrectionists, Transgenderism, Inflation, Economy, Ukraine, the Middle East, and Joe Biden’s corruption and cognitive health. Just two weeks ago, CBS did a long piece on deep fakes. Today they’re calling on him to step down. A month ago Morning Joe told us that Joe has never been so sharp. I dont think anyone will ever believe these people again.

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X. P. Callahan's avatar

"It was the establishment media who lied and bullied us all for the last four years about everything."

Slight difference of opinion: the last eight years.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

well played

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carily myers's avatar

agree

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MarianneB's avatar

And another: the last 40 years.

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AJoy's avatar

Agree

Stopped watching msm and cable news 4 years ago. Totally mind controlled “programming” for the sheeple.

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DPFlorida's avatar

Nor should they. Good riddance

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Well Biden prepped for a week for that performance!.....he was supposed to be rested!

Maybe rested like A Weekend at Bernies!

Any time Trump doesn't make my ass pucker I'll chalk that up as a "win".

He did well in that regard...relative to 20'.

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Tim R's avatar

The whole charade is a confederacy of dunces! We are not a serious country.

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carily myers's avatar

amen. I just cannot fathom other countries watching this and thinking we're serious about anything.

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KPOM's avatar

Trump was fine. All he had to do was not call attention to himself and keep the focus on Biden.

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Barekicks's avatar

Seen from Europe, nobody "won". Nothing of substance was said and there were huge digressions like the jives about golfing. It was two residents of a nursing home sparring in the common room while the staff roll their eyes.

How many times did Trump use filler phrases like "great guy" or "we did an incredible job" or "we grew the economy" without barely providing any details or strategic thoughts?

Obviously Trump is the better choice in this election but the guy is a terrible debater.

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JealousPhinehas's avatar

Trump was like a child trying to pad an essay to meet the Teacher's word count requirement. A horrible communicator. If there was anything in there to be excited about, I missed it. He lies so persistently about nearly everything that nothing can be taken seriously. For example, trying to pin inflation solely on Joe... or "I did not have sex with a porn star!"... I still have no idea what Trump's agenda is besides, "They did me wrong, so vote for me."

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JC's avatar

It's pretty bad, when Trump is the most coherent one on the stage.

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MarcusBierce's avatar

You’re right, yet Trump didn’t have to do much. He was contained. Whether that was his personal choice, his listening to advisors, or that he knows that all of this is just for show (knowing just how real and insurmountable the Deep State is) is anyone’s guess.

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