ahh, but what has been so wonderfully potent, at least among my group of acquaintances, are precisely those who were so high and mighty and got vaxxed and played the performative virtue signaling to the hilt.
then they get sick, get shunned, and bear the full brunt of what they have been dishing out as everyone turns on them for having "the scarlet C" and being "fallen."
form what i have seen, that's one doozie of a red pill.
and it spreads.
watch.
water torture by anecdote got us into this mess. it may be just the thing to get us out.
i've kind of landed on the "those who start food fights better be ready for some spaghetti in their hair" outlook. i am happy to see some of those so eager to dish it out have to take some in return. that's how they learn not be be such a sanctimonious jerk going forward.
Why dance around calling infection with SARS-CoV-2 тАЬthe scarlet CтАЭ. ItтАЩs a slightly more than minor respiratory virus that has not significantly increased all-cause mortality. Pretending this virus is something more only feeds into the false narrative that we must take unprecedented measures against it.
Fair enough. My frustration is not directed at you, personally. Without ulterior motives of completely reshaping society, this lab-leak wouldтАЩve been a blip on the public health radar.
I realize what I'm going to say may be a bitter pill for some to swallow, but if your family (or friends) can turn on you because teevee told them to, you are better off without them in your life. You may love them but the feeling isn't mutual and it was highly conditional.
I had a friend who called me "horrible" and "uncaring" because I refused to get hysterical about this even at the start. As I told her (and she should know with her mother being a doctor in PR, btw) that the last thing you do in am emergency is get hysterical because that's how mistakes are made and people get hurt or die. I speak from experience and she KNOWS that I do. Nah, teevee said anyone not reacting hysterically and literally thinking the world is ending with The Black Death 2.0 is bad and wrong so, I'm bad and wrong. She thought the world was ending and I know it's not. Then she contacts me excitedly 5 months later to announce a pregnancy. I said, "interesting decision for someone who thinks the world is ending." That was the last I heard from her. Good riddance and hopefully that poor child ends up smarter despite their parentage.
Indeed. I find myself *still* unsure what the wreckage will be with the results of "the sorting hat" as a backdrop. Do I just let it go, since propaganda is a mighty powerful tool? Is the fact that I just happened to take the Red Pill this time sufficient reason for me to kick people who believed the propaganda to the curb permanently? Damned if I know!
Yeah I wrestled with that as well. My neighbors, I'll forgive because I'm not THAT close to them and I have no expectations of then beyond basic courtesy. People who are family, close/best friends who should know the kind of person you are and turns on you anyway because an anonymous 3rd party said to do so? Nah, they're treacherous. These disagreements went so far beyond simple difference of opinion to moralizing and witch hunting.
I knew people who voted Trump in 2016. I didn't demand they be burned at the stake as many did (and still are). I asked, "but, why?!" And I listened sincerely. Glad I had an intelligent reaction then too because they haven't turned on me during this Hysteria, even though some of them are vaxxed.
I hear you. As I try to incorporate epistemic humility into my way of life, I find myself thinking, more and more, "there but for the sheer luck that I smelled the bullshit this time, go I!" (Or something like that.)
Got you. On a friends group of maybe 12 and family group of 35 I stopped posting slightly challenging views. And I feel angry. I wonder how I'm going to react if and when they say "Sh1t, you were right!". Part of me does want to reply "Oh just go f*&k yourself! How can such an intelligent and reasonable person like yourself get hooked by this?". But I also know this can't be the way forward. Grace helped me choose the Red Pill.
Which also means they'll be placing a Taboo curse on some words like "breakthrough cases" and "doesn't work" and "this is insanity". Opposite of ol' Voldy, if we *don't* say Hail Fauci multiple times a day, the Snatchers will come to get us.
Okay, let's change the mood. I recommend watching the YouTube channel Academy of Ideas, the video "Individual vs Tyranny" published on January 18, 2017.
Ok, Cat. YouтАЩre bright as hell, but I have to ask what life youтАЩre on if youтАЩre referencing Harry Potter? IтАЩm guessing your second life / decade. Certainly no more than your third?
When they lose the next election, and they will, that will be an interesting conundrum for them. The partisans who used this will not give a shit about dropping it and moving on (ala Nate Silver via Defund the Police) but the covidians will not care at all. They will want to keep going down. That will be the best part to watch in all of this madness.
An unavoidable aspect of atheist collectivism is the need for a villain. How can I deem myself righteous if not for someone who is evil. So they must identify a villain. The young seem to be even more zealous as they are dealing with a lot of other anxieties, and this has given them a "righteous" cause. Before, we could sit back and avoid their direct condemnation, although maybe not their suspicion. The vaccine has made visible the line of separation, making it clear we're in the "evil group". I agree. It's heartbreaking. But there are individualists in their ranks. They're on our side and don't know it. They're only pretending to hold a grudge and secretly admire your courage and independence.
@quixotic - I've faced a similar situation with family & friends who virtue signal and judge me & others for "not taking it seriously" I kindly remind them that I take my health and my life very seriously.. regardless of Covid (although it was a nice kick in the rear) by eating healthy, working out frequently, taking in balanced perspectives from a variety of sources and trying be kind / acknowledge that everybody is doing their best. That's how I operate but I know for many who criticize, it's the insecurity of "well you didn't do jab+mask.. and I did" that gives them a moral superiority. I don't know about you but I'm generally skeptical of the easy fix solution (especially when the data is less than compelling) and would rather do the hard work to live the life I think is best for me. So if it's similar for you.. let them know that you're not selfish and that you care for them. That you're doing the best you can - just like they are :)
With loved ones - it's not about who is "right" just try and love them and show kindness.. hopefully they'll reciprocate. The division from politicians, MSM, etc. has been brutal over the last couple years but it's up to us to rise above it for those that matter to us.
I hope you stick to your guns because you have to live with yourself, not your relatives. I know itтАЩs hard. This also shows what kind of people they are. Maybe they arenтАЩt worthy of you, at least in this moment.
Hi, pa. Saw your comment as I read through some of these older threads (newish subscriber here). Wondering how you're doing these days?
As a fellow liberal in an extremely liberal community, I relate to your situationтАФthough thankfully family and friends have been pretty respectful of my choice. Still, it's terribly disorienting to be at odds with your "tribe." Humans are meant to feel a sense of belonging.
Anyway, I hope you're holding yourself together. This shit's brutal. But you're most definitely not alone.
Show them this clip of the CDC director admitting to Blitzer in early August that the jabs don't stop infection or transmission of the Delta variant and that the unvaxxed and fully vaxxed have similar viral loads.
Also, make sure they know that the Delta variant arose in India in December 2020...before the jabs. And the Lambda variant arose in Peru in August 2020...before the jabs.
Tell them the ratio of Delta infections in unvaxxed to fully vaxxed in England has dropped precipitously in the last two months, from 6.7 as of June 21 to 2.5 as of August 15.
The "fully vaxxed" are fast catching up to the unvaxxed in Delta infections...
As of August 15...
73,372 Fully Vaxxed Infections
183,133 Unvaxxed Infections
2.5 times more infections in Unvaxxed versus Fully Vaxxed.
Israel just posted the highest number of infections since the pandemic began. Most of their adult population has had two injections and well over a million have had a third injection.
Simply put, the jabs don't work. IMO, it seems they are making things worse.
And, yes, your unwillingness to just comply is worth being alienated from those you love so much. They owe you an apology. You have one body and one life. The jabs don't work, and they aren't safe.
Why would you possibly care what your teenage nieces think of you? Why? Their brains arenтАЩt fully developed. They lack experience with deception on a societal level. They have no fundamental understanding of the behind the scenes machinations of Big Pharma and the agencies plagued with regulatory capture meant to contain them. I love my nieces and nephews. I also love my 3 dogs and cat. I look to none of them for validation.
IтАЩm sorry if my comment came across as harsh / uncaring. WeтАЩre all human and desire connection. Perhaps you can utilize this situation as a point of instruction for your nieces. Perhaps not. Either way, adhere to your convictions (assuming youтАЩve thought them through sufficiently for yourself).
ahh, but what has been so wonderfully potent, at least among my group of acquaintances, are precisely those who were so high and mighty and got vaxxed and played the performative virtue signaling to the hilt.
then they get sick, get shunned, and bear the full brunt of what they have been dishing out as everyone turns on them for having "the scarlet C" and being "fallen."
form what i have seen, that's one doozie of a red pill.
and it spreads.
watch.
water torture by anecdote got us into this mess. it may be just the thing to get us out.
i've kind of landed on the "those who start food fights better be ready for some spaghetti in their hair" outlook. i am happy to see some of those so eager to dish it out have to take some in return. that's how they learn not be be such a sanctimonious jerk going forward.
Why dance around calling infection with SARS-CoV-2 тАЬthe scarlet CтАЭ. ItтАЩs a slightly more than minor respiratory virus that has not significantly increased all-cause mortality. Pretending this virus is something more only feeds into the false narrative that we must take unprecedented measures against it.
Fair enough. My frustration is not directed at you, personally. Without ulterior motives of completely reshaping society, this lab-leak wouldтАЩve been a blip on the public health radar.
I realize what I'm going to say may be a bitter pill for some to swallow, but if your family (or friends) can turn on you because teevee told them to, you are better off without them in your life. You may love them but the feeling isn't mutual and it was highly conditional.
I had a friend who called me "horrible" and "uncaring" because I refused to get hysterical about this even at the start. As I told her (and she should know with her mother being a doctor in PR, btw) that the last thing you do in am emergency is get hysterical because that's how mistakes are made and people get hurt or die. I speak from experience and she KNOWS that I do. Nah, teevee said anyone not reacting hysterically and literally thinking the world is ending with The Black Death 2.0 is bad and wrong so, I'm bad and wrong. She thought the world was ending and I know it's not. Then she contacts me excitedly 5 months later to announce a pregnancy. I said, "interesting decision for someone who thinks the world is ending." That was the last I heard from her. Good riddance and hopefully that poor child ends up smarter despite their parentage.
2020-1 has been a merciless sorting hat.
so many who thought they were gryffindor turned out to be slitherin.
Also, quite a few who thought they were Ravenclaw turned out to be squibs.
or worse: dudley's parents.
Who knew there were so many Dudley's parents around till the last year exposed them?
Touch├й.
Indeed. I find myself *still* unsure what the wreckage will be with the results of "the sorting hat" as a backdrop. Do I just let it go, since propaganda is a mighty powerful tool? Is the fact that I just happened to take the Red Pill this time sufficient reason for me to kick people who believed the propaganda to the curb permanently? Damned if I know!
Yeah I wrestled with that as well. My neighbors, I'll forgive because I'm not THAT close to them and I have no expectations of then beyond basic courtesy. People who are family, close/best friends who should know the kind of person you are and turns on you anyway because an anonymous 3rd party said to do so? Nah, they're treacherous. These disagreements went so far beyond simple difference of opinion to moralizing and witch hunting.
I knew people who voted Trump in 2016. I didn't demand they be burned at the stake as many did (and still are). I asked, "but, why?!" And I listened sincerely. Glad I had an intelligent reaction then too because they haven't turned on me during this Hysteria, even though some of them are vaxxed.
I hear you. As I try to incorporate epistemic humility into my way of life, I find myself thinking, more and more, "there but for the sheer luck that I smelled the bullshit this time, go I!" (Or something like that.)
Got you. On a friends group of maybe 12 and family group of 35 I stopped posting slightly challenging views. And I feel angry. I wonder how I'm going to react if and when they say "Sh1t, you were right!". Part of me does want to reply "Oh just go f*&k yourself! How can such an intelligent and reasonable person like yourself get hooked by this?". But I also know this can't be the way forward. Grace helped me choose the Red Pill.
I wonder about that too-- what am I going to say when my sister gives that call to say 'you were right; haha.
I am sure my response will not be what runs through my head right now.
Funny I keep thinking the best analogy for today is Harry Potter. Unfortunately we are at the point where the ministry fell.
Which also means they'll be placing a Taboo curse on some words like "breakthrough cases" and "doesn't work" and "this is insanity". Opposite of ol' Voldy, if we *don't* say Hail Fauci multiple times a day, the Snatchers will come to get us.
Okay, let's change the mood. I recommend watching the YouTube channel Academy of Ideas, the video "Individual vs Tyranny" published on January 18, 2017.
The time of the R's:
Review what you thought about stuff and your relationships
Release some
Restart or Rekindle others
Remember why you are here in the first place
Rejoice in large and small mercies
Agreed. Although I sorted into Slytherin on Pottermore, I'm clearly a Snape-ish Slytherin (our birthdays are only a couple days apart).
Ok, Cat. YouтАЩre bright as hell, but I have to ask what life youтАЩre on if youтАЩre referencing Harry Potter? IтАЩm guessing your second life / decade. Certainly no more than your third?
Panic helped win the election. That's what happens when we have such a partisan CDC. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/filings-show-all-but-five-political-donations-from-cdc-employees-since-2015-have-gone-to-democrats
When they lose the next election, and they will, that will be an interesting conundrum for them. The partisans who used this will not give a shit about dropping it and moving on (ala Nate Silver via Defund the Police) but the covidians will not care at all. They will want to keep going down. That will be the best part to watch in all of this madness.
With so many sanctuary (immigration, guns) cities and states popping up, I wonder when the first federal-tax-sanctuaries will be declared.
Or an anti-pharma sanctuary/state. That's already happening to some extent, with the migrations.
I don't think the Left realizes that they have more to loose from people blowing off rules than do get-the-government-off-my-back types.
how can they lose the election? They have already bought it.
An unavoidable aspect of atheist collectivism is the need for a villain. How can I deem myself righteous if not for someone who is evil. So they must identify a villain. The young seem to be even more zealous as they are dealing with a lot of other anxieties, and this has given them a "righteous" cause. Before, we could sit back and avoid their direct condemnation, although maybe not their suspicion. The vaccine has made visible the line of separation, making it clear we're in the "evil group". I agree. It's heartbreaking. But there are individualists in their ranks. They're on our side and don't know it. They're only pretending to hold a grudge and secretly admire your courage and independence.
This! Sad but pretty accurate
@quixotic - I've faced a similar situation with family & friends who virtue signal and judge me & others for "not taking it seriously" I kindly remind them that I take my health and my life very seriously.. regardless of Covid (although it was a nice kick in the rear) by eating healthy, working out frequently, taking in balanced perspectives from a variety of sources and trying be kind / acknowledge that everybody is doing their best. That's how I operate but I know for many who criticize, it's the insecurity of "well you didn't do jab+mask.. and I did" that gives them a moral superiority. I don't know about you but I'm generally skeptical of the easy fix solution (especially when the data is less than compelling) and would rather do the hard work to live the life I think is best for me. So if it's similar for you.. let them know that you're not selfish and that you care for them. That you're doing the best you can - just like they are :)
With loved ones - it's not about who is "right" just try and love them and show kindness.. hopefully they'll reciprocate. The division from politicians, MSM, etc. has been brutal over the last couple years but it's up to us to rise above it for those that matter to us.
the foundation of defensible western civilization since the declaration of independence [John Locke, too] is respect for individual liberty.
teevee and social media are propagandizing the weak to turn on the indivual.
national cemeteries are filled with people who gave at least time and many their lives to individual liberty....
we shall not let them to have died in vain as lincoln observed at gettysburg in nov 1863.
Your situation sucks. I'm sorry you're dealing with that.
I hope you stick to your guns because you have to live with yourself, not your relatives. I know itтАЩs hard. This also shows what kind of people they are. Maybe they arenтАЩt worthy of you, at least in this moment.
Hi, pa. Saw your comment as I read through some of these older threads (newish subscriber here). Wondering how you're doing these days?
As a fellow liberal in an extremely liberal community, I relate to your situationтАФthough thankfully family and friends have been pretty respectful of my choice. Still, it's terribly disorienting to be at odds with your "tribe." Humans are meant to feel a sense of belonging.
Anyway, I hope you're holding yourself together. This shit's brutal. But you're most definitely not alone.
Show them this clip of the CDC director admitting to Blitzer in early August that the jabs don't stop infection or transmission of the Delta variant and that the unvaxxed and fully vaxxed have similar viral loads.
Also, make sure they know that the Delta variant arose in India in December 2020...before the jabs. And the Lambda variant arose in Peru in August 2020...before the jabs.
https://twitter.com/CNNSitRoom/status/1423422301882748929
Tell them the ratio of Delta infections in unvaxxed to fully vaxxed in England has dropped precipitously in the last two months, from 6.7 as of June 21 to 2.5 as of August 15.
The "fully vaxxed" are fast catching up to the unvaxxed in Delta infections...
As of August 15...
73,372 Fully Vaxxed Infections
183,133 Unvaxxed Infections
2.5 times more infections in Unvaxxed versus Fully Vaxxed.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf
As of June 21...
10,834 Fully Vaxxed Infections
71,932 Unvaxxed Infections
6.7 times more infections in Unvaxxed versus Fully Vaxxed.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001358/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_18.pdf
Deaths from/with the Delta variant have been upside down for weeks.
Delta in England as of August 15тАж
73,372 Fully Vaxxed Infections
183,133 Unvaxxed Infections
289 more deaths of fully vaxxed than unvaxxed.
334 more deaths of fully vaxxed than unvaxxed in 50+ cohort.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf
Israel just posted the highest number of infections since the pandemic began. Most of their adult population has had two injections and well over a million have had a third injection.
Simply put, the jabs don't work. IMO, it seems they are making things worse.
And, yes, your unwillingness to just comply is worth being alienated from those you love so much. They owe you an apology. You have one body and one life. The jabs don't work, and they aren't safe.
Here's another...absolutely devastating. Like you, I have many family members who've taken the jab. I worry about the future.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cheryl-cohen-dies-rare-brain-disease-second-dose-pfizer-covid-shot/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=1f9fcd29-a8e2-4170-a9ec-f27f6b9f5f29
Why would you possibly care what your teenage nieces think of you? Why? Their brains arenтАЩt fully developed. They lack experience with deception on a societal level. They have no fundamental understanding of the behind the scenes machinations of Big Pharma and the agencies plagued with regulatory capture meant to contain them. I love my nieces and nephews. I also love my 3 dogs and cat. I look to none of them for validation.
IтАЩm sorry if my comment came across as harsh / uncaring. WeтАЩre all human and desire connection. Perhaps you can utilize this situation as a point of instruction for your nieces. Perhaps not. Either way, adhere to your convictions (assuming youтАЩve thought them through sufficiently for yourself).