You cannot reason with a demoralized person. Or debate them. But you can mock them with memes until they curl into fetal position like the babies they are.
It wont stop things from getting whole lot worse and there will be no hope of things getting better when you so violently reject the life that God has given you.
You have made a mess of things hell bent on going your own way regardless.
If “smart” means best regurgitating that which is taught, they may be “smart”. If “ smart” means learning to think for oneself, then they are not. EGM has written before about starting reforms with “ education “ such as money following the child. These are additional examples of how important that idea is.
A very wise Cat said, "Life is like sex. If you are not having fun, you're doing it wrong!" Leftists have totally lost their sense of humor, making them easy targets. "Hire a leftist. They don't do much work, but they're funny as hell to listen to." Their opinions are like their assholes. They all have one and most of 'em stink." Etc, etc, etc. Meowdios, Comrades!
I point my finger at them and laugh while encouraging those around me to laugh with me. Hopefully, they will feel shame because that is my intent. They are mistakenly calling it “hurt feelings” when it is shame they are feeling. Shame is a terrible feeling.
Debate class used to be about persuasive speech, and topics one could see two sides of a story, thereby learning. The first error was such a ridiculous question, and the second was Team A self-censoring out of “ sensitivity”. Thinking is a dying art, and these kids and their coaches fail at teaching real communication.
the best part about debate was being told the question but not which side of it you would be arguing so you had to prepare both and see the strengths and weaknesses of both sides and be ready to take up either one. THAT is how you understand and issue.
We used to debate one side of the question, then switch sides and persuade again. It taught us to understand the reasoning and the logic of issues from both sides. Your comment is in the same realm - and I'm grateful we had that experience!
On the other hand, that's also a highly effective way to create politicians who can talk out of both sides of their mouth as the needs of the moment demand.
I hope none of these students will get into Law school......but you just know they will.
Someone once said, "THE LAW IS AN ASS"........Do you think that person was actually being prescient, maybe knowing something we didnt about the demise of reason and logic in debate?
Timely old man anecdote: We prepared just such a debate and I was picked (coin toss, I believe) to be Yasser (Yasir) Arafat of the PLO (circa 1988). Lively debate.
I am sad to say that my alma mater, Towson University near Baltimore - who, in addtion to yours truly, boast such luminaries as Tater Stelter and Amy "I can't believe they hate me because I'm Jewish" Schumer - won the 2015 National College Debate Championship in pretty much this same manner: They picked a different topic becuase it was more important.
I'll not link to any of the several videos of the performance or reporting on it for fears of how I might be characterized when my only wish in sharing is to express my embarrassment that a pretty decent college from the 80s, well, is no longer pretty decent.
9 years ago that was. What you pointed out just proved they couldnt really think critically on their feet and were likely just regurgitating well worn partisan memes according to what their brainwashers deemed was "important."
This does not at all auger well for the state of academics. And we can see the spoiled and rotten fruits of academia 9 years later.
Well, it's just not going to stand, that's all. It carries with it the seeds of its own destruction
Your ’90s buttercup reflections sent me down a nostalgic rabbit-hole in search of the “sensitive ponytail man” (a quote my husband and I still cite to this day that I’m sure others will find handy as well) scene from Cameron Crowe’s “Singles” (1992). Having failed to find that clip, I’ll instead share the trailer in the hopes that the naïve innocence of what at the time seemed cutting-edge will bring a smile to others’ faces:
This is also a reminder of why I am so grateful I heeded my intuition to evade literary theory courses and instead focus on literature itself. I had an innate revulsion for postmodernism and felt it was a spreading blight on English major programs that was sure to spell their eventual self-deconstruction, and your post confirms my prediction has now materialized.
I encouraged my son to go to college to study his passion, English Lit. He saw the writing on the wall and refused. Now he has a trade and a house full of literature to read. He was far wiser than I about what was going down.
I graduated with a BA in English. I think your son made the better choice. I went to college in the late eighties, loved the experience, but the crap was there, even then. It was masked as "tolerance" at that point.
I remember 'PC' and 'tolerance' in the eighties. I learned quickly to keep my midwestern non PC mouth shut at times. But it wasn't nearly as bad as it's gotten. Personally, I dropped out after 18 months in '85 and became a cook (very non PC atmosphere, LOL) so I probably didn't experience it to the extent you did.
I can imagine. Back then I could see the writing on the wall. The one thing that they could not tolerate was intolerance, which could be misconstrued as "disagreement." It's similar to the acceptance of all differences unless you disagree with them.
It wasn't as in-your-face as it is now, and I was in Berkeley and going to JC (briefly, my last 'school') at Lake Merritt in Oakland. I just remember a single instance of a mutual noping of a potential roommate situation with a coworker. She was the nascent version of today's SJW (lthough not insufferable all the time, I mean I was enough of a friend to consider taking the room),but I was too much of an anarchist, tended to think for myself and refused to be vegetarian in the house if I was living there and paying considerable rent.
It sorta sucked, I had to go live in my van. But it was better than listening to the pontification whenever something was not to her standards. I shudder to think that that kind of harping now holds the power it does.
Edit to add: There wasn't too much of this in the 90's. I'm sure there are many points against the 90's as a decade, but I generally saw it as a hopeful decade, it looked like people might just accept each other and get along...maybe it was just the ecstacy, LOL.
Haha, I think it was the fall of the Berlin Wall. There was a worldwide movement toward peace, which freaked out GloboCapCIA, so they had to cook up the War on Terrorism to keep raking in the MIC bucks. See Paul Schreyer’s brilliant presentation on Pandemic Simulation Games for more historical background:
OMG, you rock! 😎 Thank you, voza0db! And that made me realize I forgot the very important “Mr.,” so my comment should read “Mr. Sensitive Ponytail Man.”
Singles was an interesting 90s movie, thanks for reminding me, I will have to watch it again now. The soundtrack was one of my absolute favorites, I must have listened to it 100+ times on a loop in my car for years along with similar artists. wikipedia summary
Glad you enjoyed the flashback! I had forgotten what an epic soundtrack that was until I started searching for that clip, but I guess I shouldn't have been surprised since Cameron Crowe is all about the music.
The biggest hypocrite’s in existence are the ones telling you how to think in order to be like them because “they” are always right.. narcissists on steroids.
Joshua Maponga III has some pretty interesting and thought-provoking videos on YouTube regarding "Woke colonialism" and Africa. Let's just say it's not going over very well over there. Also, I heard that several African countries have announced that they are going to stop selling different raw materials to the West, or at least not sell them as cheaply as before. I think Africa is well worth watching.
Maponga addresses that in one of his videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN-c_1SoguE. He says the difference between what China is doing and what the West is doing, is that China is helping Africans develop and defend their continent while the West is insisting that Africans adopt Woke values that are alien to their cultures. In other words the West is pushing Africans right into the arms of the Chinese. Now whether the Chinese will prove to be more benign than other colonizers has yet to be seen. However, Maponga also warns that the Chinese are trying to take over by marrying African women. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkbhUxvVNQY
I suspect they are marrying African women because they killed off all their own girl babies a couple of generations ago, so it might not be anything more nefarious than old-fashioned sexual frustration!
Bettina: It is certainly a consequence of the one-child policy, but keep in mind that they're *marrying* these women, so it's really more about family. If it were about *sex*... well, the Chinese are efficient enough to set up a well-oiled brothel system.
China has and will continue to play the long game in every sense of the term. Just glad that I won’t be around in thirty years to see what the world will look like.
Hand out cheap trophies with pacifiers on top. Underneath it can read, "I survived listening to a different viewpoint." Call them the Thumb Sucker Awards.
I steer clear of memes, but my objective is different. I have no thoughts in talking with them to ever change their ideas. Rather, they need to hear dissent in their virtue signalling seance. They need to have that one person, eyes open, saying "wait, this thing is a sham."
"Both teams should have been disqualified and the championship of the debate given to the last competitors who took the forum seriously."
As referenced elsewhere in this comments section, my alma mater Towson University won the 2015 National Collegiate Debate Championship. Again, I won't link to their performance or the reporting on the matter at the time but their "win" means we'll have to go back at least a decade to find competitors who took the forum seriously.
I'm no Trump fan...but for me fascism usually means you can't call him a fascist and get away with it. Also genocide and concentration camps. The closest we got to that was "kids in cages" which was more like a "catch and release" form of fascism i guess.
In the "woke" new world I don't think they'll have courts. The "woke" are learning to accept pod life. The pods will be their safe spaces and they'll earn UBI and free bug products by posting support for the Current Thing, reporting Wrong Think expressed in the Metaverse, and volunteering as test subjects for transhumanists seeking to direct evolution. Miserable as this will be it will be the only existence they'll be cut out for.
Instead of containing (and riduculing) personality disorder we decided to exploit it for revolution. This is like the Islamists hanging suicide bombs on developmentally disabled persons. The sociopaths doing this need to be stopped.
"like the Islamists hanging suicide bombs on developmentally disabled persons"
It always seems like every "plot" the FBI discovers ends up being 8 agents, 1 super ideologicial whack job, and a couple of dumb white guys of questionable moral character.
The whole thing usually starts when an agent buys one of the dumb white guys a couple beers.
Several years ago I heard a pretty lucid group talking about the impossibility of any political or cultural resolution to what must be faced, other than a warm and cleansing fire.
Now maybe they meant a metaphoric or metaphysic fire, or literal flames, but most of what I see/read/hear these days sounds like so much kindling being stacked for the near future.
When I meme/gif in return it is usually a "yes and" meme or something ridiculous and non sequitar. For instance when someone posted a "cite your source" gif, I replied with a rhino across the african plains.
You cannot reason with a demoralized person. Or debate them. But you can mock them with memes until they curl into fetal position like the babies they are.
Brilliant old school cartoons, thanks for sharing! Bet the Brown Daily Herald would never publish stuff like that today. Only trustees can stop the Woke Jihad at universities: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/how-to-get-into-harvard-open-letter-to-trustees
Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired(Swift)
Great quote. Here's another: “A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.” (Saul Below) https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/are-we-making-progress
One from my mother..
Someone who knows the price of everything..
But not the value of nothing.
Suicide may stop things from getting any worse...
But it also kills any chance of things ever getting better.
It wont stop things from getting whole lot worse and there will be no hope of things getting better when you so violently reject the life that God has given you.
You have made a mess of things hell bent on going your own way regardless.
Repent and turn back to Him for reconciliation
Here's another: A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.
Explains a lot about why the propaganda becomes self perpetuating.
What troubles me is that these are considered to be the "smart" kids.
Smart kids = the most demoralized. Smart devices = the most controlled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Osmv0AxDM
Hotel California Parody Song - Phone Zombies
They are smart kids. And there were many "smart" people who fell for the narrative.
What this shows is how thoroughly the indoctrination has grown like a cancer.
Those who deem these kids "smart" are morons themselves.
If “smart” means best regurgitating that which is taught, they may be “smart”. If “ smart” means learning to think for oneself, then they are not. EGM has written before about starting reforms with “ education “ such as money following the child. These are additional examples of how important that idea is.
Correctamundo- they hate being called on their own crap!
Spade Don’t Like It (When You Call a Spade a Spade)
-From the bottom of the deck you got the card that you played
Afraid if you don’t cheat that you won’t make the grade
You’re sitting pretty counting up the fortune that you made
And a spade don’t like it when you call a spade a spade
-With insider tips you got the stocks that you trade
Need a wheelbarrow to carry all the loot that you made
Got a smile on your face as you keep up the charade
And a spade don’t like it when you call a spade a spade!
A very wise Cat said, "Life is like sex. If you are not having fun, you're doing it wrong!" Leftists have totally lost their sense of humor, making them easy targets. "Hire a leftist. They don't do much work, but they're funny as hell to listen to." Their opinions are like their assholes. They all have one and most of 'em stink." Etc, etc, etc. Meowdios, Comrades!
I point my finger at them and laugh while encouraging those around me to laugh with me. Hopefully, they will feel shame because that is my intent. They are mistakenly calling it “hurt feelings” when it is shame they are feeling. Shame is a terrible feeling.
“Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand.” – Mark Twain
Debate class used to be about persuasive speech, and topics one could see two sides of a story, thereby learning. The first error was such a ridiculous question, and the second was Team A self-censoring out of “ sensitivity”. Thinking is a dying art, and these kids and their coaches fail at teaching real communication.
the best part about debate was being told the question but not which side of it you would be arguing so you had to prepare both and see the strengths and weaknesses of both sides and be ready to take up either one. THAT is how you understand and issue.
We used to debate one side of the question, then switch sides and persuade again. It taught us to understand the reasoning and the logic of issues from both sides. Your comment is in the same realm - and I'm grateful we had that experience!
That’s a classic first year law school professor’s trick. I don’t know whether they still do it, but they should.
You know you are being lied to when the other side is stifled and not being represented.
On the other hand, that's also a highly effective way to create politicians who can talk out of both sides of their mouth as the needs of the moment demand.
I hope none of these students will get into Law school......but you just know they will.
Someone once said, "THE LAW IS AN ASS"........Do you think that person was actually being prescient, maybe knowing something we didnt about the demise of reason and logic in debate?
Timely old man anecdote: We prepared just such a debate and I was picked (coin toss, I believe) to be Yasser (Yasir) Arafat of the PLO (circa 1988). Lively debate.
There are no adults in the room anymore. Most adults have given in top the mob because of their neuroticism and cowardice.
What good is lecturing to or debating a pack of rabid animals?
I am sad to say that my alma mater, Towson University near Baltimore - who, in addtion to yours truly, boast such luminaries as Tater Stelter and Amy "I can't believe they hate me because I'm Jewish" Schumer - won the 2015 National College Debate Championship in pretty much this same manner: They picked a different topic becuase it was more important.
I'll not link to any of the several videos of the performance or reporting on it for fears of how I might be characterized when my only wish in sharing is to express my embarrassment that a pretty decent college from the 80s, well, is no longer pretty decent.
#GoTigers*sigh*
9 years ago that was. What you pointed out just proved they couldnt really think critically on their feet and were likely just regurgitating well worn partisan memes according to what their brainwashers deemed was "important."
This does not at all auger well for the state of academics. And we can see the spoiled and rotten fruits of academia 9 years later.
Well, it's just not going to stand, that's all. It carries with it the seeds of its own destruction
Your ’90s buttercup reflections sent me down a nostalgic rabbit-hole in search of the “sensitive ponytail man” (a quote my husband and I still cite to this day that I’m sure others will find handy as well) scene from Cameron Crowe’s “Singles” (1992). Having failed to find that clip, I’ll instead share the trailer in the hopes that the naïve innocence of what at the time seemed cutting-edge will bring a smile to others’ faces:
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdckDXKE9b8
This is also a reminder of why I am so grateful I heeded my intuition to evade literary theory courses and instead focus on literature itself. I had an innate revulsion for postmodernism and felt it was a spreading blight on English major programs that was sure to spell their eventual self-deconstruction, and your post confirms my prediction has now materialized.
I encouraged my son to go to college to study his passion, English Lit. He saw the writing on the wall and refused. Now he has a trade and a house full of literature to read. He was far wiser than I about what was going down.
I graduated with a BA in English. I think your son made the better choice. I went to college in the late eighties, loved the experience, but the crap was there, even then. It was masked as "tolerance" at that point.
I remember 'PC' and 'tolerance' in the eighties. I learned quickly to keep my midwestern non PC mouth shut at times. But it wasn't nearly as bad as it's gotten. Personally, I dropped out after 18 months in '85 and became a cook (very non PC atmosphere, LOL) so I probably didn't experience it to the extent you did.
I can imagine. Back then I could see the writing on the wall. The one thing that they could not tolerate was intolerance, which could be misconstrued as "disagreement." It's similar to the acceptance of all differences unless you disagree with them.
I had no idea that stuff was around back then. Granted I was born in '85, but I must have been pretty naive and didn't pay attention to it in the 90s
It wasn't as in-your-face as it is now, and I was in Berkeley and going to JC (briefly, my last 'school') at Lake Merritt in Oakland. I just remember a single instance of a mutual noping of a potential roommate situation with a coworker. She was the nascent version of today's SJW (lthough not insufferable all the time, I mean I was enough of a friend to consider taking the room),but I was too much of an anarchist, tended to think for myself and refused to be vegetarian in the house if I was living there and paying considerable rent.
It sorta sucked, I had to go live in my van. But it was better than listening to the pontification whenever something was not to her standards. I shudder to think that that kind of harping now holds the power it does.
Edit to add: There wasn't too much of this in the 90's. I'm sure there are many points against the 90's as a decade, but I generally saw it as a hopeful decade, it looked like people might just accept each other and get along...maybe it was just the ecstacy, LOL.
Haha, I think it was the fall of the Berlin Wall. There was a worldwide movement toward peace, which freaked out GloboCapCIA, so they had to cook up the War on Terrorism to keep raking in the MIC bucks. See Paul Schreyer’s brilliant presentation on Pandemic Simulation Games for more historical background:
https://youtu.be/d3WUv5SV5Hg
You must be very proud!
Yes:! :D
I remember the term SNAG - Sensitive New Age Guy from around that same time. Emasculation on an industrial scale.
Alas, all of the mockery was not enough to prevent the trend from morphing through acceptance and into mandate.
Shouldn’t that read “womendate”
How about we meet half way at "non-gendered-persondate"? 😛
This one https://tinyurl.com/ponytailman
(This was a time limited link to the original storage site... not working anymore!
alternative view https://www.bitchute.com/video/u5IuZfQltNQz/ )
OMG, you rock! 😎 Thank you, voza0db! And that made me realize I forgot the very important “Mr.,” so my comment should read “Mr. Sensitive Ponytail Man.”
You can always edit your comment!
Haha, true, but then my subsequent comment won’t make sense ;-)
Well... edit that one also with "Not making sense anymore!" ;-)
😂
Sadly, I get an "access denied" when I try to play this. Have tried multiple times. Can you repost it somewhere else? Thanks
I've upload it into bitchute https://www.bitchute.com/video/u5IuZfQltNQz/
Many thanks...I had forgotten that precise scene. Priceless...
Singles was an interesting 90s movie, thanks for reminding me, I will have to watch it again now. The soundtrack was one of my absolute favorites, I must have listened to it 100+ times on a loop in my car for years along with similar artists. wikipedia summary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singles:_Original_Motion_Picture_Soundtrack
Glad you enjoyed the flashback! I had forgotten what an epic soundtrack that was until I started searching for that clip, but I guess I shouldn't have been surprised since Cameron Crowe is all about the music.
Great trip down memory lane, many thanks! Cheered me up to listen again too.
The biggest hypocrite’s in existence are the ones telling you how to think in order to be like them because “they” are always right.. narcissists on steroids.
Joshua Maponga III has some pretty interesting and thought-provoking videos on YouTube regarding "Woke colonialism" and Africa. Let's just say it's not going over very well over there. Also, I heard that several African countries have announced that they are going to stop selling different raw materials to the West, or at least not sell them as cheaply as before. I think Africa is well worth watching.
Well, it's been colonised by China (nature abhors a vacuum)
Maponga addresses that in one of his videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN-c_1SoguE. He says the difference between what China is doing and what the West is doing, is that China is helping Africans develop and defend their continent while the West is insisting that Africans adopt Woke values that are alien to their cultures. In other words the West is pushing Africans right into the arms of the Chinese. Now whether the Chinese will prove to be more benign than other colonizers has yet to be seen. However, Maponga also warns that the Chinese are trying to take over by marrying African women. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkbhUxvVNQY
I suspect they are marrying African women because they killed off all their own girl babies a couple of generations ago, so it might not be anything more nefarious than old-fashioned sexual frustration!
I would definitely "embrace the power of AND" here; these two motivations can certainly complement each other.
Bettina: It is certainly a consequence of the one-child policy, but keep in mind that they're *marrying* these women, so it's really more about family. If it were about *sex*... well, the Chinese are efficient enough to set up a well-oiled brothel system.
ShiYen
China has and will continue to play the long game in every sense of the term. Just glad that I won’t be around in thirty years to see what the world will look like.
Now that's a curious take on the Kalergi Plan.
Good news??? ( if there is any!).
They are not having kids. That said, I am profoundly sorry they are f...ing up their cats.
There's no such thing as a Vegan Cat.
https://www.reddit.com/r/awfuleverything/comments/f8a75u/no_such_thing_as_a_vegan_cat_this_is_animal_abuse/
It is even worse for obligate carnivores than for humans, but there is no such thing as a healthy vegan.
Nope
'people also ask: “so why memes? why not confine yourself to more scholarly discourse?”'
These people still have not worked out that the problem is scholarly discourse itself.
I think the concept completely escapes them. Maybe I will just start handing out participation awards.
Hand out cheap trophies with pacifiers on top. Underneath it can read, "I survived listening to a different viewpoint." Call them the Thumb Sucker Awards.
Perfect!!
🤔
I steer clear of memes, but my objective is different. I have no thoughts in talking with them to ever change their ideas. Rather, they need to hear dissent in their virtue signalling seance. They need to have that one person, eyes open, saying "wait, this thing is a sham."
Both teams should have been disqualified and the championship of the debate given to the last competitors who took the forum seriously.
"Both teams should have been disqualified and the championship of the debate given to the last competitors who took the forum seriously."
As referenced elsewhere in this comments section, my alma mater Towson University won the 2015 National Collegiate Debate Championship. Again, I won't link to their performance or the reporting on the matter at the time but their "win" means we'll have to go back at least a decade to find competitors who took the forum seriously.
Imagine what the debates were like "post Trump."
Question: "Is Trump a fascist or just stupid?"
Team A: Yes!
Team B: Hell Yes!
Judge: Okay. We'll call it a draw.
I'm no Trump fan...but for me fascism usually means you can't call him a fascist and get away with it. Also genocide and concentration camps. The closest we got to that was "kids in cages" which was more like a "catch and release" form of fascism i guess.
"Catch and Release Fascism" has a nice ring to it.
Fast forward twenty years and one of the debate brats is now a judge. You have a case in this judge’s courtroom. Now what?
If the brat remembers you, he/she will judicially fuck you!
In the "woke" new world I don't think they'll have courts. The "woke" are learning to accept pod life. The pods will be their safe spaces and they'll earn UBI and free bug products by posting support for the Current Thing, reporting Wrong Think expressed in the Metaverse, and volunteering as test subjects for transhumanists seeking to direct evolution. Miserable as this will be it will be the only existence they'll be cut out for.
Truth is stranger than fiction. Bizarro world is real.
Instead of containing (and riduculing) personality disorder we decided to exploit it for revolution. This is like the Islamists hanging suicide bombs on developmentally disabled persons. The sociopaths doing this need to be stopped.
"like the Islamists hanging suicide bombs on developmentally disabled persons"
It always seems like every "plot" the FBI discovers ends up being 8 agents, 1 super ideologicial whack job, and a couple of dumb white guys of questionable moral character.
The whole thing usually starts when an agent buys one of the dumb white guys a couple beers.
Several years ago I heard a pretty lucid group talking about the impossibility of any political or cultural resolution to what must be faced, other than a warm and cleansing fire.
Now maybe they meant a metaphoric or metaphysic fire, or literal flames, but most of what I see/read/hear these days sounds like so much kindling being stacked for the near future.
I agree. I do not see how to unlight the flame they ignited.
No need for the judges to call Team A fools. The more devastating response would be to simply disqualify them without comment.
They all have cluster b personality disorders. They do not live in reality. They have chosen the blue pill.
Essentially, they have the emotional age of a 2 year old. It is a mental defect, arrested development.
You listened to The Dark Horse podcast! Was excellent
Never heard of it, but will check it out.
They talk about what you wrote -https://open.spotify.com/episode/0sUMoaX5agatO4V8vkP2xH?si=1b-k7gVfRp6lilYpiJ-NDQ
I am sooo triggered! The truth hurts. Where is my safe space away from toxic felininity?
Actually, you made my morning.
"laughing at these people is civic duty."
I also endorsing Pointing while Laughing. Just so that there's no doubt.
I do that regularly.
Sometimes embarrasses my bride.
But not as much as those at whom I'm pointing.
Thanks for taking one for the team, Andy.
“submission to another’s pathology is not empathy, it’s degradation.”
Brilliant post today! I will meme then until they cry, then meme them for crying
"then meme them for crying"
That's kinda dark, Doc.
I like it.
When I meme/gif in return it is usually a "yes and" meme or something ridiculous and non sequitar. For instance when someone posted a "cite your source" gif, I replied with a rhino across the african plains.