Balkanization is the best we can hope for - I've been saying it for years. Now, imagine if it could be done peacefully and bloodlessly. That's the rub.
I'm not certain that can be done. The country is diametrically opposed. What the other side wants is not sustainable if we want to preserve our constitutional republic.
Unfortunately, as history demonstrates, factions that want two very different things, usually doesn't end peacefully.
Part of the problem is the red states have things the blue states want. It would not be a friendly divorce. And they would likely refuse to even consider secession. It would indeed be a second Civil War, but I'm not sure it's avoidable at this point. God help us.
there are almost no blue "states." there is merely a red country with a handful of blue city-states that are controlling everything. and all of those blue city-states are shit holes.
I think a peaceful solution would be best for everyone. It's become very apparent one side has nothing in common with the other. Let's just split the kids and move on. Another option is Texit. Texas came into the union has its own State and its constitution allows it to leave.
Right there with you. I wish I could believe Texas or Alaska might be real candidates for peaceful secession, soon. I'd be happy to move to either. I love the US and don't think there is anything fundamentally wrong with our nation or people in general. DC is the problem.
I have a buddy from MD who moved to just outside Tampa not too long ago, and he has nothing but good things to say about Florida. He went from being "the weird right wing guy" to being the "weird left wing guy" to his neighbors, and thinks things are much better for it.
I am tempted to go myself, save for all my family up north. If we could just figure out a way to give Philly to NJ, DE or MD, PA would be a much better place.
DC has jurisdiction in Florida too. But for those who have no other option it might stave off the pain for a time, so it might be worth it.
For those who may not be aware, unfortunately the only way to be free of DC is to renounce US citizenship, you can't simply move to another state or expatriate.
Everyone must use their judgement and make their own choices. Personally I have no interest in getting caught up in a profoundly damaging fight and want to move to a free, peaceful area well before any such outcome.
You clearly don't understand the context in which I used the term "free", although obvious to all other no doubt. But, your life your choice. If you are under the impression concentration camps are desirable enjoy your cage.
Although maybe he was making a point about how if you don't fight you will end up in a concentration camp no matter what you want. Hard to say, but it struck me as a joke.
Humorous jokes, which require a modicum of skill to create, are worthy of a chuckle. His effort failed, if that was in fact the intent.
Actually, as noted in the original comment, I agree. Those who don't leave the US will ultimately be subjugated by self serving authoritarians; or end up in a long, damaging fight. Unfortunately I don't see any reasonable option other than departure, in my case. But no judgement here...I'm not suggesting everyone must make the same choice. Most really don't have the option. Even in my relatively simple case it isn't going to be an easy or cheap solution, but the alternatives are absolutely unacceptable.
My circumstances are pretty unique, and I have a number of options fortunately, but everyone must consider their personal circumstances. Nonetheless if global authoritarians ever attain their eternal desire to subjugate the world your are right, there will be no refuge. I for one don't believe it will happen, or it certainly won't happen anytime soon. The US is the big fat prize, hence the focus of authoritarian effort and resources. There are peaceful, free places to live well away from the global authoritarian bullseye.
Ryan, we would be looking for a place that is rural, in the country, no cities or big towns for us, thank you. Someone suggested Live Oak -? Ocala is nice but too rich for our blood. I see some nice places, some with land, which is what we would like, but we are picky and would prefer an older place to a mobile home (dang there are a lot of those!). The Suwanee area is lovely. What are your thoughts?
I know. But I have a very stubborn man on my hands who says he wants to leave, too, but seems to be having difficulty with the pulling up stakes part. The irony is, I live in an eleven room house and I want to get started with a move, he's in an RV and seems entrenched where he is. It's partly his age, he's 79, fourteen years my senior. In good health but not the rocket of energy he once was. I think if we can get down to Baja this winter, just the change will do him good. He won't admit to it but he's an Aspie, increasingly agoraphobic and has some depression going on (don't we all?) on top of it. One day at a time...I've got a project here! Thank you for the kind words and suggestions. He loves manatees, so do I...
Hardly anyone goes outside for very long during those 4 months. I would take the humidity for 4 months over freezing cold temperatures in the Winter though
Have you considered moving to Florida? It might as well be a country unto itself.
Convention of States OR outright secession. I don't think there's a lot in between.
Balkanization is the best we can hope for - I've been saying it for years. Now, imagine if it could be done peacefully and bloodlessly. That's the rub.
The rub indeed.
I'm not certain that can be done. The country is diametrically opposed. What the other side wants is not sustainable if we want to preserve our constitutional republic.
Unfortunately, as history demonstrates, factions that want two very different things, usually doesn't end peacefully.
Hope I'm wrong....we'll see.
Part of the problem is the red states have things the blue states want. It would not be a friendly divorce. And they would likely refuse to even consider secession. It would indeed be a second Civil War, but I'm not sure it's avoidable at this point. God help us.
there are almost no blue "states." there is merely a red country with a handful of blue city-states that are controlling everything. and all of those blue city-states are shit holes.
Agree.
If either were a realistic, and peaceful, option I for one would be fully supportive.
I think a peaceful solution would be best for everyone. It's become very apparent one side has nothing in common with the other. Let's just split the kids and move on. Another option is Texit. Texas came into the union has its own State and its constitution allows it to leave.
Right there with you. I wish I could believe Texas or Alaska might be real candidates for peaceful secession, soon. I'd be happy to move to either. I love the US and don't think there is anything fundamentally wrong with our nation or people in general. DC is the problem.
IтАЩm guessing you havenтАЩt been to New Mexico. There is plenty wrong with the people here.
You still have room in the attic?
Plenty of room SimComm!
At least come down and visit. Maybe we could take a hop-skip-and-jump to go see the Bad Cat himself?!
Like a safari!
Oh, you're good my friend!
I have a buddy from MD who moved to just outside Tampa not too long ago, and he has nothing but good things to say about Florida. He went from being "the weird right wing guy" to being the "weird left wing guy" to his neighbors, and thinks things are much better for it.
I am tempted to go myself, save for all my family up north. If we could just figure out a way to give Philly to NJ, DE or MD, PA would be a much better place.
We moved in April 20' due to the Covid policies.
Best decision of our lives. We absolutely love it down here.
Example:
The highway patrol, at the behest of DeSantis, put out a bulletin saying the highway patrol would be issuing tickets for speeding on freeways.
Everyone knew what DeSantis saying; hey man stop going 100 mph, you're getting out of hand. Let's back it down to 90 mph.
The message was clear; people slowed down a bit and very few speeding tickets were issued.
DC has jurisdiction in Florida too. But for those who have no other option it might stave off the pain for a time, so it might be worth it.
For those who may not be aware, unfortunately the only way to be free of DC is to renounce US citizenship, you can't simply move to another state or expatriate.
Tell that to Julian Asange.
Yep, you must leave before trumped up charges can be used to control you.
Well, at least it's surrounded by gun States and the entire State has easy coastal escape routes....:)
Everyone must use their judgement and make their own choices. Personally I have no interest in getting caught up in a profoundly damaging fight and want to move to a free, peaceful area well before any such outcome.
Concentration camps are relatively peaceful, and theyтАЩre free too.
You clearly don't understand the context in which I used the term "free", although obvious to all other no doubt. But, your life your choice. If you are under the impression concentration camps are desirable enjoy your cage.
I think he was joking :)
Although maybe he was making a point about how if you don't fight you will end up in a concentration camp no matter what you want. Hard to say, but it struck me as a joke.
Humorous jokes, which require a modicum of skill to create, are worthy of a chuckle. His effort failed, if that was in fact the intent.
Actually, as noted in the original comment, I agree. Those who don't leave the US will ultimately be subjugated by self serving authoritarians; or end up in a long, damaging fight. Unfortunately I don't see any reasonable option other than departure, in my case. But no judgement here...I'm not suggesting everyone must make the same choice. Most really don't have the option. Even in my relatively simple case it isn't going to be an easy or cheap solution, but the alternatives are absolutely unacceptable.
Just asking.. and where do you think you move TO. Seems as if the WEF / Authoritarian agenda is just about everywhere in the West.
I still root for a Convention of States or TEXIT.. but I am open to ALL possibilities.
My circumstances are pretty unique, and I have a number of options fortunately, but everyone must consider their personal circumstances. Nonetheless if global authoritarians ever attain their eternal desire to subjugate the world your are right, there will be no refuge. I for one don't believe it will happen, or it certainly won't happen anytime soon. The US is the big fat prize, hence the focus of authoritarian effort and resources. There are peaceful, free places to live well away from the global authoritarian bullseye.
All the places I once considered - from Canada to Mexico to the UK to parts of Europe to Australia have been crossed off my list of escape hatches.
We apologize, we didnтАЩt realize you weтАЩre autistic.
I hope, for your sake, you aren't more than 14 years old.
Ryan, we would be looking for a place that is rural, in the country, no cities or big towns for us, thank you. Someone suggested Live Oak -? Ocala is nice but too rich for our blood. I see some nice places, some with land, which is what we would like, but we are picky and would prefer an older place to a mobile home (dang there are a lot of those!). The Suwanee area is lovely. What are your thoughts?
Suwanee is perfect for you, based on everything you've told me over the last several months.
One thing I can tell you is; tomorrow and the next day....and repeat, is only going to get worse where you live.
I know. But I have a very stubborn man on my hands who says he wants to leave, too, but seems to be having difficulty with the pulling up stakes part. The irony is, I live in an eleven room house and I want to get started with a move, he's in an RV and seems entrenched where he is. It's partly his age, he's 79, fourteen years my senior. In good health but not the rocket of energy he once was. I think if we can get down to Baja this winter, just the change will do him good. He won't admit to it but he's an Aspie, increasingly agoraphobic and has some depression going on (don't we all?) on top of it. One day at a time...I've got a project here! Thank you for the kind words and suggestions. He loves manatees, so do I...
More good news, Ryan, is perhaps the lefties will give up on moving there. I gather they are leaving Austin. Cause for celebration.
Is there anywhere in FL without crushing humidity, that isn't real estate just for gazillionaires? That's the deal breaker.
Hardly anyone goes outside for very long during those 4 months. I would take the humidity for 4 months over freezing cold temperatures in the Winter though
I will admit the humidity is awful 4 months out of year. But the other 8 are nearly perfect.
I believe you're in CA. The real estate here is way cheaper.
The most affordable place is Lakeland. It is awesome and starting to boom.
Wow, Ryan are you watching this??? Don't miss it, new series - "Propaganda Exposed (Uncensored) -
https://www.bitchute.com/embed/MbHq4tqluXGm/
Holy shit. I just finished this up
Well? What did you think of it?
It was excellent. A lot of it I knew intuitively, but to see how the sausage is made was an eye opener
How well you put it. I haven't kept up but I will find the time. Thanks!
I'm going to.