You are wrong EGM, and it shows in your analysis that the current mix is a two family, Hatfield vs. McCoy feud. The issue is that America First is actually a third party vs. the Dem AND RINOs. There is no cogent, cohesive message coming out of the "GOP" because there are two GOPs--and one controls all the money and has ZERO ideas, while …
You are wrong EGM, and it shows in your analysis that the current mix is a two family, Hatfield vs. McCoy feud. The issue is that America First is actually a third party vs. the Dem AND RINOs. There is no cogent, cohesive message coming out of the "GOP" because there are two GOPs--and one controls all the money and has ZERO ideas, while the other (call it America First) has all the ideas and controls damned near ZERO of the money. With the entire Dem power structure, media biased messaging, and RINOs defining the under-resourced America First movement as domestic terrorists it is small wonder why the new faces in the "GOP" faced insurmountable uphill battles. McConnell and gang did everything possible to undermine America First. The Dems loosed their considerable messaging--and massive campaign spending--against America First.
The American people don't seem to mind that the Dems and RINOs are jointly divvying up the spending largesse and sending billions to Ukraine and Dem 'green energy' donors. As a new precinct committeeman in AZ I get what happened. Your analysis misses the mark.
It's not clear what you mean when you say, "30% of American would vote for Trump no matter what"? Do you mean 30% of GOP voters are deluded and should vote for the McConnell-McCarthy/GOPe wing of the GOP? They should support the GOPe that is okay with sending $60 billion to Ukraine? They should support the GOPe that voted for the "Inflation Recovery Act" that poured more spending gasoline on the inflation fire? They should support that GOPe that has no interest in election integrity?
I'm saying Trump served his purpose. To re-elect him is looking backward and will probably result in 10 more years of Dem control...which means we're screwed.
Yes. 30% of the eligible voters in this country prefer Trump as their candidate.
He has a very loyal base. It will cost America dearly.
Ryan, I can agree with many of your points, but what makes you think the Rinos would not do the same to DeSantis that they did to Trump. Don't forget what Rinos, dems and deep state did in 2015 all the way through 2020. Can DeSantis face all that any better? You know what they'll do to him. He was pretty much left alone to run his state, but running the country is a whole different ballgame. IMO.
I think DeSantis will lay low and let Trump get beat up before he decides to make a formal announcement.
If I were him I would keep my powder dry as long as I could. The other benefit to that strategy is that Trump has a knack for creating his own problems.
All true, but I can't help but feel some delight at how batshit crazy the entire left is going to go. I would love to think that this is one of Trump's objectives, to distract them and keep them busy coming after him, running interference if you will. Get them to show their hand. But middle America doesn't seem to have the taste for such blood-and-guts combat. Is there a middle America anymore? Is the GOP going to inevitably break apart into different parties? I should stop now, I don't need to ponder these things just before beddy-byes.
Haha, I hope you got some sleep last night, I did appreciate Trump's tone and demeanor however I wished he had waited til after Georgia runoff. Trump has always been impatient. We always new it would be Trump vs DeSantis. So let's see how it plays out. Should be interesting. I do have the stomach for blood and guts,but like you said , maybe the rest of us don't. If we could just get rid of the RINOS I think we'd be OK.
His purpose continues. DeSantis will be controlled, that's why Florida was totally unscathed in the election from the obvious fraud that went on elsewhere.
Trump cannot be controlled. Trump kept us out war, grew the economy, enforced the border, was against mandates, etc. Sorry you don't like him, but claiming it will "cost America" while Biden is literally destroying America seems inaccuarate.
You need to look at the detailed preferences of the Latino and black voters who moved to the right in the last two elections. They support Trump but not other GOP candidates. I personally wish that was not the case, but the cross-tabs show it to be true at present. DeSantis has a tough job ahead replacing the Trump connection / mystique among non-college, working class America.
You are wrong EGM, and it shows in your analysis that the current mix is a two family, Hatfield vs. McCoy feud. The issue is that America First is actually a third party vs. the Dem AND RINOs. There is no cogent, cohesive message coming out of the "GOP" because there are two GOPs--and one controls all the money and has ZERO ideas, while the other (call it America First) has all the ideas and controls damned near ZERO of the money. With the entire Dem power structure, media biased messaging, and RINOs defining the under-resourced America First movement as domestic terrorists it is small wonder why the new faces in the "GOP" faced insurmountable uphill battles. McConnell and gang did everything possible to undermine America First. The Dems loosed their considerable messaging--and massive campaign spending--against America First.
The American people don't seem to mind that the Dems and RINOs are jointly divvying up the spending largesse and sending billions to Ukraine and Dem 'green energy' donors. As a new precinct committeeman in AZ I get what happened. Your analysis misses the mark.
That's the problem; 30% of America would vote for Trump no matter what.
It's not clear what you mean when you say, "30% of American would vote for Trump no matter what"? Do you mean 30% of GOP voters are deluded and should vote for the McConnell-McCarthy/GOPe wing of the GOP? They should support the GOPe that is okay with sending $60 billion to Ukraine? They should support the GOPe that voted for the "Inflation Recovery Act" that poured more spending gasoline on the inflation fire? They should support that GOPe that has no interest in election integrity?
I'm saying Trump served his purpose. To re-elect him is looking backward and will probably result in 10 more years of Dem control...which means we're screwed.
Yes. 30% of the eligible voters in this country prefer Trump as their candidate.
He has a very loyal base. It will cost America dearly.
Ryan, I can agree with many of your points, but what makes you think the Rinos would not do the same to DeSantis that they did to Trump. Don't forget what Rinos, dems and deep state did in 2015 all the way through 2020. Can DeSantis face all that any better? You know what they'll do to him. He was pretty much left alone to run his state, but running the country is a whole different ballgame. IMO.
I hate to say I agree. Indeed, they may be even more vicious with DeSantis than they are to Trump.
Mainly because DeSantis has a better shot in 24' than Trump imo.
Hell they may even fund Trumps campaign like they did MAGA candidates in an effort to make sure they won in the primary....but lost in the election.
I hope he's ready for an endless colonoscopy!
OMG. Classic!
Okay, it is a week later and he has declared. Now what...
I think DeSantis will lay low and let Trump get beat up before he decides to make a formal announcement.
If I were him I would keep my powder dry as long as I could. The other benefit to that strategy is that Trump has a knack for creating his own problems.
All true, but I can't help but feel some delight at how batshit crazy the entire left is going to go. I would love to think that this is one of Trump's objectives, to distract them and keep them busy coming after him, running interference if you will. Get them to show their hand. But middle America doesn't seem to have the taste for such blood-and-guts combat. Is there a middle America anymore? Is the GOP going to inevitably break apart into different parties? I should stop now, I don't need to ponder these things just before beddy-byes.
Haha, I hope you got some sleep last night, I did appreciate Trump's tone and demeanor however I wished he had waited til after Georgia runoff. Trump has always been impatient. We always new it would be Trump vs DeSantis. So let's see how it plays out. Should be interesting. I do have the stomach for blood and guts,but like you said , maybe the rest of us don't. If we could just get rid of the RINOS I think we'd be OK.
Agreed!
His purpose continues. DeSantis will be controlled, that's why Florida was totally unscathed in the election from the obvious fraud that went on elsewhere.
Trump cannot be controlled. Trump kept us out war, grew the economy, enforced the border, was against mandates, etc. Sorry you don't like him, but claiming it will "cost America" while Biden is literally destroying America seems inaccuarate.
Trump didn’t start new ones but he did more bombing than Obama and supported the Saudi genocide in Yemen.
They need to get behind DeSantis
You need to look at the detailed preferences of the Latino and black voters who moved to the right in the last two elections. They support Trump but not other GOP candidates. I personally wish that was not the case, but the cross-tabs show it to be true at present. DeSantis has a tough job ahead replacing the Trump connection / mystique among non-college, working class America.
https://www.revolver.news/2022/11/richard-baris-with-a-hard-dose-of-reality-for-a-new-crop-of-neo-never-trumpers/
https://raheemkassam.substack.com/p/blame-trump-for-the-red-trickle-nonsense
From August:
https://twitter.com/StephenM/status/1560684436261195782
It's such bullshit. They'd rather live with totalitarianism than admit they're giving the hard left the opportunity to move us into communism
Good points you make!
They do mind, it's the fraud they don't yet fully perceive, and cannot stop. https://rumble.com/v1kun2j-ny-citizens-audit-presents-weaponized-voter-rolls-epochtv-sept-20-22.html