My company (a great big private Fortune 500 company) has also not made any announcements about vax mandates. They've offered all kinds of incentives to do it voluntarily, but have stressed with us managers not to pressure anyone into it. My guess is that they're waiting to see something in writing, and I'm wondering if it will ever actua…
My company (a great big private Fortune 500 company) has also not made any announcements about vax mandates. They've offered all kinds of incentives to do it voluntarily, but have stressed with us managers not to pressure anyone into it. My guess is that they're waiting to see something in writing, and I'm wondering if it will ever actually come. This is another case of "they know it's likely unconstitutional, but they're going to get away with it for as long as they can..."
That makes quite a few people I know on and offline in health industry (not direct care) whose employers are not enacting the mandates at nearly the same saturation as, say, woke tech and retail companies and public service.
The Pfizer leaks that Veritas has been putting out seem to suggest Pfizer folks aren't being rushed to vaxx to keep their jobs, either.
I work for a contract company that tests products like and including Pfizer's. So far we've been asked to voluntarily put our vaccine data into an internal database. Even if I were vaccinated I would not because they have no legal right to my personal health data - protected under HIPPA.
It's disconcerting to have the CEO send out emails to the hold-outs, but they know they can't demand protected medical information.
We have to wear masks at work. For a "science" company they don't follow the science.
I think it's likely that most of these less-woke (but still somewhat woke) companies know about how many good employees they will lose if they enact a vax mandate. And most of us would be harder to replace than more interchangeable positions like nurses or teachers (meaning no disrespect to nurses or teachers). Three, 5, 10, or 20 years of experience in a particular company's process & procedures is worth of hundreds of thousands of dollars PER EMPLOYEE...
It's very interesting that the ones who crunch the real actuarial numbers, not the pie-in-the-sky vax-cheering fantasy numbers, are the same ones who specialize in risk management. And so they are hesitant to try to mandate something that will very likely backfire. The clot-inducing covid vaccines have risk written all over the bodies of the victims.
That's why I ask everyone. Industries with the inside track on property actuarial information (or, more likely I suspect, access to the undoctored raw data and the in-house ability to get the non-propaganda version of the analysis) disproportionately seem to be much more conservative in their mandates. But they never make the news.
My company (a great big private Fortune 500 company) has also not made any announcements about vax mandates. They've offered all kinds of incentives to do it voluntarily, but have stressed with us managers not to pressure anyone into it. My guess is that they're waiting to see something in writing, and I'm wondering if it will ever actually come. This is another case of "they know it's likely unconstitutional, but they're going to get away with it for as long as they can..."
That may be because Biden ordered OSHA to issue an emergency mandate, but they haven't actually done it yet.
Same in my husband's job (a big utility in Oregon). Mum is the word. Not even a letter from HR.
May I ask what industry? Without giving PII. I'm just curious where trends are.
Health insurance provider
That makes quite a few people I know on and offline in health industry (not direct care) whose employers are not enacting the mandates at nearly the same saturation as, say, woke tech and retail companies and public service.
The Pfizer leaks that Veritas has been putting out seem to suggest Pfizer folks aren't being rushed to vaxx to keep their jobs, either.
Can anyone confirm that?
I work for a contract company that tests products like and including Pfizer's. So far we've been asked to voluntarily put our vaccine data into an internal database. Even if I were vaccinated I would not because they have no legal right to my personal health data - protected under HIPPA.
It's disconcerting to have the CEO send out emails to the hold-outs, but they know they can't demand protected medical information.
We have to wear masks at work. For a "science" company they don't follow the science.
I think it's likely that most of these less-woke (but still somewhat woke) companies know about how many good employees they will lose if they enact a vax mandate. And most of us would be harder to replace than more interchangeable positions like nurses or teachers (meaning no disrespect to nurses or teachers). Three, 5, 10, or 20 years of experience in a particular company's process & procedures is worth of hundreds of thousands of dollars PER EMPLOYEE...
It's very interesting that the ones who crunch the real actuarial numbers, not the pie-in-the-sky vax-cheering fantasy numbers, are the same ones who specialize in risk management. And so they are hesitant to try to mandate something that will very likely backfire. The clot-inducing covid vaccines have risk written all over the bodies of the victims.
That's why I ask everyone. Industries with the inside track on property actuarial information (or, more likely I suspect, access to the undoctored raw data and the in-house ability to get the non-propaganda version of the analysis) disproportionately seem to be much more conservative in their mandates. But they never make the news.