i am just a kitten and not an epidemiological tracking expert, but do you guys think that maybe when the CDC starts to disavow the VAERS system that it’s probably not sign that things are going super well?
but i guess when kittens are in trouble for breaking something, we hide under the bed too!
so maybe the CDC are the same way?
Here's a crazy idea: if the VAERS system sucks, why don't they spend some of the Biden billion$ being thrown around and create a system that accurately captures adverse events? Perhaps it is because they are not actually interested in the results?
Here’s the thing— the disingenuous downplay VAERS for all of its faults, but it’s the only system that’s available. NIH and CDC have the ability to change how this works, but don’t.
It’s easier to have a flawed system for creating poor strawmen.
What baffles me, and I admit that is getting less and less difficult at this dumpster fire rages on, is how anyone can reasonably, honestly, question that we "have a signal" about the COVID-19 vaccinations via VAERS. (As an aside, and with all due apology for being strident, anyone who seriously believes that the numbers are inflated because of false entries into VAERS is either an idiot or has never visited the VAERS site---or both. To say it the system is not easy to use, and may be one of the best examples of a "non-intuitive" interfaces, is being nice.) And yet, here we are, with a set of vaccines exceeding all previous vaccines COMBINED in both adverse effects and deaths by between 4 and 10 ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE, and the debate has been shifted to being about if VAERS provides good enough data? Damn.
If the CDC had a magic button that could eliminate things, it would set it for 1) VAERS system 2) Sweden 3) the two Martins, Kulldorff & Makary.
The CDC: https://i.redd.it/8akvefiwp8s51.png
i wonder if the legacy media narrative would be different and these VAERS charts would be on the front page of every newspaper every single day accompanied by breathless "blood on his hands" reporting if Trump were president
but then i realize where we are and stop wondering
We need to hit back on this hard. This is their most common defense: VAERS is worthless because anyone can submit a false report (in violation of federal law).
They say "anybody can report" -- but have you actually tried? Faking an incident isn't as easy as lying on Twitter.
In addition to the potential for false reports, VAERS may well be afflicted by under-reporting, which could be greater in 2021 than other years. The CDC are basically a bunch of veterinarians, and we are the herd.
(I'm just a lowly caveman, not a lawyer...) but I watched the FDA meeting on the boosters, and it was crystal clear that government is tracking 'claims' which are either hospital or insurance claims, and that they had numbers they trusted to show signals for certain adverse events. It is a fine case of circular logic to say: Self-report AE to VAERS but don't use VAERS for data because self reported claims are useless. Lather, rinse, repeat. After the billions we've thrown at this thing, this is yet another fail. And parents of vaccine injured kids have been screaming this issue about VAERS for decades. It is just so much security theatre.
CDC "Quick, change the narrative and ramp up the fear."... Thinking.... Thinking... It's the unvaccinated fault! (Again.) Yes. Yes! That's what it must be...."
We are probably now going to see VAERS data treated as disinformation by all the social media platforms- the CDC has given the go ahead with this bulletin.
There are other systems for reporting vaccine adverse events; but, of course, they aren't public.
According the Robert Malone, the FDA chose not to require more stringent data collection and reporting of the Pharma companies. According to Peter McCullough, the FDA chose not to set up an independent safety monitoring board, which he believes is unprecedented.
Clearly, they anticipated problems and took steps to hide them before the jabs were even approved. This isn't incompetence. This is malfeasance. This was the plan. And, of course, they have many useful idiots in media and tech and the general public parroting their talking points and trashing anyone who mentions the VAERS data.
FYI, attorney Thomas Renz has filed a motion for preliminary injunction against the vaxx EUAs. He has a whistleblower who claims that there were about 45,000 deaths within 72 hours of injection in the CMS data bases as of mid-July.
You can read the plaintiff's motion here:
And Canadian Professor Jessica Rose estimates there are ~150k vaccine related deaths.
i see the concern that "well, VAERS entries need followup". wouldn't followup (esp involving death) require autopsies? is anyone doing autopsies currently for either covid or vaccine related deaths?
UK's Yellow Card enters the chat. https://www.notonthebeeb.co.uk/post/mhra-yellow-card-19th-august-uk-vaccine-deaths-and-side-effects
This argument has been used from basically the beginning of this rollout. That VAERS is unreliable; anyone can make a submission. If that’s true, then what other system are they using to aggregate adverse events, and why can’t we the public see it? In the interest of informed consent. I spent an unnecessarily long time trying to convince my spouse back in May that there’s been AT LEAST one death from the vaccine. 10/10 do not recommend. And now we’re up in the thousands. . .
Thank you to this blogger and commenters for seeking and sharing alternative views using data! So fortunate to have found you!
For years I’m sure the CDC relied on VAERS for information but all of a sudden now it’s not accurate or reliable.
el gato, have you seen this? Robert Malone just posted on Twitter. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221475002100161X
The covering up of adverse effects of this vaxx is another aspect of the Replication Crisis or at least sprouting from the same environment that has allowed the crisis to occur.
Glad to know other people noticed this. You'd think the CDC would be desperate to look into it, track down these people, but they seem strangely to be running (scurrying one might even say) in the opposite direction.
What will the 2021 bar look like if there is some kind of correction for the amount of vaccinations that have been given? In an other year the amount of given vaccinations are a lot less, I imagine?
I heard that (1.) putting information in VAERS is extremely convoluted as their site is difficult to navigate. (2.) You have to put in so much personal information to assure you are telling the truth that most people back off and don't complete it. I believe it's horribly under-reported.
No less trustworthy than any other nih artifact.
This study validates VAERS actual Covid data. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352837543_Analysis_of_COVID-19_vaccine_death_reports_from_the_Vaccine_Adverse_Events_Reporting_System_VAERS_Database_Interim_Results_and_Analysis
The media is so partisan and corrupt.
Open VAERS is reporting nearly 15K deaths through 9/10/21. Why is there a discrepancy of 2X? https://openvaers.com/
Is there evidence to help choose between the lesser of evils between Pfizer and moderna? Govt gun to my head, must choose
Del Bigtree interviews a "VAERS Whistleblower".
curious: do any of the commenters here know anyone who died after a shot? I dont. I have heard of people who did...
Here's an idea....actually have an independent organization looking at safety signals of your rushed to market pushed on everyone injection? Until then, STFU!!!
Here's a study done on the efficiency of passive reporting mechanisms in the past, including vaers... Spoiler alert: it's not good https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1615747/?page=2
this is for early on reporting, but an interesting report study nonetheless; doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.26987.26402