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I'm afraid I agree with your theory. I've been worried about this for months...based on instinct rather than data or theory. After shutting down the world in 2020 because asymptomatic granny killers were spreading contagion and hurting us all, they have created legions of asymptomatic granny killers through their "vaxx the world" campaign. Ironically, many grannies may have become granny killers.

I am more worried and more cautious this year...despite a less virulent strain and more community immunity. I never put much faith in the vaxxines.

So, I recommend that all unvaxxed (and vaxxed) familiarize themselves with prevention and early treatment protocols, create a C19 go-pack, get some ivermectin and HCQ...if you can, and find out where mAbs are given in your area and by what criteria. Also, connect with a PCP who will work with you to stay out of the hospital.

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All of these doctors have treated C19 patients with great success from the beginning of the pandemic. There is significant cross-over in their treatment protocols. There are other protocols as well. Pierre Kory and Peter McCullough both testified before Congress last year.

Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, MD

https://vladimirzelenkomd.com

Dr. Peter McCullough, MD

https://aapsonline.org/mccullough-protocol-3-page.pdf

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If you are looking for a source of Vitamin D3, Vitamin C, Zinc, Quercetin, or EGCG, I recommend the following site.

https://www.koshervitamins.com

You can also find NAC (N-acetyl-L-cysteine) on this site. I've read that the FDA was threatening to pull NAC off the shelves last year and reclassify it as a drug after decades OTC. You can no longer find it on Amazon. NAC is a precursor to glutathione, which is made by the body. It is thought to help with energy stores in fighting infection.

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Rainbow Light has multiple formulations of Vitamin D3 gummies. I've taken them for years. Kids love them...even grown up kids.

https://www.rainbowlight.com/our-product/gummy-vitamins.html?format=657

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I have not been able to secure HCQ. According to Dr. Zelenko...Vitamin D3, Vitamin C, Zinc, and Quercetin work synergistically to drive zinc into the cells and interfere with viral replication. He was looking for alternatives for HCQ after NY State and Cuomo cut off access.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd3JYN443oA

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Ivermectin is on most of the protocols that I've seen, including the ones linked above. There is great demand for it despite the horse dewormer PR psy-op. Many pharmacies refuse to fill prescriptions. Many doctors refuse to consider it. Most hospitals refuse to administer it. Just last week, news broke about a Vietnam veteran in Texas who died in hospital after a judge denied his family's request to order the hospital to administer ivermectin. This man had a prescription for ivermectin from the VA but had not had a chance to fill it before he was admitted to the hospital. If this can happen in Texas, those of us in blue states are screwed.

I've been on a waiting list to get a tele-health appointment for Ivermectin prophylaxis and early treatment for a couple months now. A couple weeks back, they sent an email letting me know I was still on the list.

I made an appointment...and paid for it...with another outfit. They took payment and acknowledged my appointment. I'm supposed to talk to the doctor on Sept 20...so far, crickets. We'll see.

A friend of mine was able to get a script filled with this outfit, but it came after she had recovered.

https://www.pushhealth.com/service-request/ivermectin/1683?state=Pennsylvania&fbclid=IwAR20zhs6q_dYLAyYm0dMd_nBFRr600Jn7rr-BsEnTZpo9m8zU4K6B3BFw48

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I recommend you get an at home fingertip pulse-oximeter. Remember all the talk about "happy hypoxics" last year. I also recommend you get a baseline oxygen level before you get sick. Pick the best finger (my left ring finger works best). Remove nail polish or moisturizer, which can interfere. These at-home devices are not state of the art, but they can help.

I bought this one on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Innovo-Fingertip-Oximeter-Plethysmograph-Perfusion/dp/B07YVGZPRZ/ref=sr_1_7?crid=38HSIAQRCNJL6&dchild=1&keywords=pulse+oximeter+fingertip&qid=1631820342&sprefix=pulse+%2Caps%2C176&sr=8-7

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If you can afford it...and you think you're high risk...get an oxygen concentrator. I've been tempted many times over the past year. They're very expensive.

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IMO, the goal is to stay out of the hospital. Once admitted, you and your family have no control. Most hospitals have treatment protocols that include Remdesivir, which even the WHO does not recommend.

Aside from exercising appropriate caution wrt big crowds and crowded small spaces, I recommend all people...unvaxxed and vaxxed...consider preventative nasal washes/sprays and mouthwashes to cut down on viral load or wipe out early exposure.

I just started using XLear nasal wash and nasal spray. The nasal wash contains Xylitol, Sodium Chloride, Sodium Bicarbonate. The nasal spray contains Purified Water, Xylitol, Saline, Grapefruit Seed Extract. You can find it on Amazon and iHerb, but the inventory is spotty.

An article about XLear, grapefruit seed extract, and the SCV2 virus...

https://www.aestheticsadvisor.com/2021/09/xlear-nasal-spray-covid-19-study.html

The actual study preprint...

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.02.408575v3.full

The FLCCC early treatment protocol recommends a commercial 1 % povidone-iodine nasal spray. I have not found a product that fits this description in the US. It may be available in other countries. Personally, I'm a little worried about using this kind of solution longterm as it may affect thyroid function and injure the mucosal tissue. I would consider this if I had a confirmed infection. They have a recipe for a home-brew in the protocol.

Here's some information about nasal washes/sprays and C19...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.16.21262044v1

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2775984

And, fyi, I've been to the dentist a few times during the pandemic. My dentist requires everyone to use a peroxyl mouthwash open entering. I believe this is recommended by the ADA. I'm not aware of any outbreaks connected to a dental practice, which is remarkable.

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As an aside...for years, I've struggled with rhinitis. I have no discernible allergies. First, I was a Neo-Synephrine junkie. (I just checked; they still make it). Next, it was CoricidinD. Then, I turned to rx steroid sprays. Then, rx Patanase...which was very expensive even with insurance and, well, let's just say it didn't help...it hurt. What can I say, I'm a delicate flower.

Both of my children had allergies and asthma, so I was introduced to "the nasal wash". I confess, I was horrified. The doctor recommended the squeeze bottle for children because it is easier to use. Since my kids would only use a nasal wash when congested, I'm not sure it did much good...although it was a great source of amusement for them. I did get a bottle and try for myself. It brought back memories of being tossed about in the waves at the Jersey Shore right before being slammed into the sand...not good memories.

A few years back, in desperation, I tried a neti pot...a much more pleasant experience. It won't hurt. It might help. And your sinuses will be sparkling clean. FYI, never...never...use tap water...never. Never.

My $0.02. I hope it helps.

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sj95's avatar

The constant post nasal drip and stuffy nose may be a benefit. We dont know. I mean that mucous has all sorts of immune stuff in it. Including antibodies. It may be protective? But hey - I like alot of what you have said. I'm a physician and I was able to secure Ivermectin and HCQ before all the controls went into place. My IVM dose is probably too low. A bit of advice -- try going to a mom and pop pharmacy - or a herbal pharmacy. They will frequently make preparations and may have some IVM.

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Terri lover of hills's avatar

Dr. Kory, Dr. Marek discuss compounding ...saying yes it's as good. Not if a compound pharm in china or such though. India or US, they say aok. Friends of mine just had covid, used their compound Iver, and are aok. Not all compound pharm will do it. One very popular one in my area, is saying "they can't get it". Bullshit. Another 5 miles away can. They lost a ton of customers, news travels fast.

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Tamsin's avatar

Yes, a "compounding pharmacy" may be able to get around prohibitions.

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PolarRoller's avatar

Can you give those of us also using IVM a little more on why you think you you are underdosing? .2mg per kilo seems to be the basic standard?

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NIdahoCatholic's avatar

May I ask your dose and frequency? I have the 1% liquid injectable that I obtained from a feed store. My understanding of dose is 1cc per 50kg body weight.

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Marie's avatar

Go to Barnhardt.biz for dosing with the 1% injectable. There is a ton of information and protocols as well.

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Potatodots's avatar

Thx, I was wondering.

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sj95's avatar

I just follow the FLCCC (Dr Kory) protocol.

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sj95's avatar

Oh and the ENT physicians in our hospital were using a nasal irrigant of 1% betadine in all of their surgical cases during the covid outbreak. They petitioned the hospital for use with all covid patients but were denied.

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Pearl's avatar

Yes, I just received a bottle today (10%) so I mixed it with saline and put it in a nasal spray bottle - it seemed to help. The article I posted today (Mercola's article) had an indepth description of the study. Also Dr. McCullough said recently that it is going to be part of his group's protocol for treatment.

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cmpalmer75's avatar

Thank you!

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Duchess's avatar

I am unvaxxed, working every day with total vaxxed adults. They are now coming down with unspecified influenza and what the UK is terming the cold from hell (sorry my quotation mark key is dead). upo to 4 weeks they are sick, and couging and sneezing and their lungs hurt. But they test negative for covid.

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cmpalmer75's avatar

I've read about the "cold from hell". I wonder when we'll know what impact these jabs are having on innate and adaptive immunity. I think it will get worse with each "booster", but the sheep are lining up. :(

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Duchess's avatar

Well I think Ive caught the cold from hell, despite high Vit D blood levels, prophylactic ivemectin, etc. Unless it was something on the tip of the PCR swab yesterday. (mandated testing for me). I also wanted to say cmpalmer75 that I too have thought that these vaxxed are now asymptomatic carriers, and I lost a best friend over voicing this thought. But doent it make sense? The shot reduces symptoms, but doesnt stop transmission...voila- walking asymptomatic spreaders? Anyway loved your comment.

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cmpalmer75's avatar

Hope you're feeling better soon. :)

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Duchess's avatar

Just to let you know, turned out I had a piece of fluff stuck in my nose from the damn swab that was jabbed up there for the pcr test. In less than 24 hours I must've sneezed it out and was just fine. Still neg PCR.

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cmpalmer75's avatar

Yikes. That sounds awful. Glad you got it out. I purchased at home antigen test kits to avoid the PCR tests. Do they have them where you are? You can control where the swab goes. My daughter, who works with children, has been sick three times inside five months. There's definitely a lot of non-C19 viral stuff floating about. Hope you're feeling better soon.

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Duchess's avatar

I am mandated to take only a PCR test...by the School Committee of all people who don't have any authority. I am being a coward, but I am seriously thinking about retirement, except I have no idea what I would do, and few friends to hang out with that aren't totally into the Covid hypnosis, or pro-population control, which I used to think was just stupid talk, but they really really beleive it.I am however saving up all my documents so I can turn around and sue the pants off of them for coercion. I'm in a blue state, hard to find a lawyer who will take the case. When I first started working with kids, I was sick almost every week for about 2 years. Tell your daughter to hang in there, after a time, she will have an excellent hardened immune system!!!

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cmpalmer75's avatar

Thanks! I've heard that it takes a couple years to build up your immune defense against the little ones :).

WRT, the pro-population control crowd...why is it they never volunteer themselves or their own family? How many kids does Gates have? And they're always the same people who complain about labor shortages and the falling birthrate. Isn't that what you want, folks?

When the CCP instituted it's one-child policy in 1979, the population in China was about 900 million. When they "relaxed" the policy, the population was 1.4 billion. I don't know about you, but to me that looks like it didn't work. They only stopped the policy because there aren't enough young women for the young men (which puts all women in danger). And now they complain that their people don't want to have more than one child????

I want to ask the population control zealots...who in your family should be euthanized for the sake of the planet and the greater good? Has grandma outlived her usefulness? Which of your children should be sterilized, so they can't reproduce? The stupid one? The ugly one? The one you really don't like?

They're also the same people who cannot face the reality that we all have a sell by date.

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Duchess's avatar

Thank you thank you thank you for your eloquent comment on the depopulation zealots, and may I keep it? Especially since they never ever apply it to themselves. And yes, they are the same people who think they have 20 more good years and deserve them too. One of these days, I hope someone writes about the horrible thing they did to the women of my generation - between women's lib and population control, there are so many of us who delayed marriage, kids, etc. and now find ourselves ALONE at the end of life, and it is a terrible thing. We were so stupid, didn't see how we were being propogandized. I woke up, but boy did it take a LONG time to see it...and many of m friends still cannot see how they were brainwashed. Tell your daughter to hang in there, and not to delay marriage or children for the sake of a job either!! Best to you and sincere thanks for your comment!

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Potatodots's avatar

Say, do you know if they are still using the licensed CDC pcr? (Yeah, FDA said no more CDC pcr but did not say "... and your licensed ones, too." So the licensed ones are used - and as you know high false +s.) I saw that FDA gave EUA to a pcr that discriminates from flu, adeno, strep. I have no idea if it is in common use or not. RATs are useless. I'm sorry you are having to be tested, for crying out loud, "tests" aren't helpful, just punishing you for choosing to live with minimal disability compared with what we are seeing happen.

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Excellent list. For the *quinine/HCL drugs, Cinchona bark powder is a possible substitute, though I understand one has to be very cautious about dosage. I bought some on ebay some time ago, and it's still available.

I've bought NAC from Pure Bulk before, they still have it up for sale, and a large variety of supplements and vitamins, pill makers, etc.

https://purebulk.com/products/n-acetyl-l-cysteine-nac

Xylitol sinus spray and ear drops are shown to reduce occurrence of ear infections in children, so it's a good bet it's a good preventative all around for kids and adults. Xylitol syrup is also shown to prevent tooth decay in children. Do yourself a favor and make your own. I've been using my own homemade xylitol spray for sinus conditions for a long time. Recipes are easy to find, it's just sterile water, xylitol, and baking soda for spray, xylitol, water, and an optional flavoring for syrup. Imagine getting a spoon full of liquid candy to prevent cavities when we were kids! I think using a neti pot with plain saline is probably better than nothing. I sometimes use it after being around crowds. I don't do neurotic sanitation rituals, just vitamins B & D and I haven't had a cold since this all started.

I don't recall where I found the link to this Indian pharmacy

https://www.medicinesdropshipper.com/antiparasitic-drugs.html

I seem to recall it was at one time up on the America's Frontline Doctor's website (I could be mistaken), though their page doesn't currently list internet retailers.

America's Frontline Doctors, where to get Ivermectin

https://covid19criticalcare.com/guide-for-this-website/how-to-get-ivermectin/

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What Matters Most's avatar

Very good write up. I am doing exactly the same thing. I also have olive leaf extract, black seed oil and elderberry in my supplement mix as well. All to reduce inflammation or help keep your cells healthy and strong.

If you make the povidone iodine with saline at 20:1 ratio, it’s great for when I know I’ll be in crowds.

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Ed's avatar

thanks. a friend who is into herbal medicine suggests Chaga Mushroom Tea (Skataggen). all this will help with flu and colds. and the zelenko protocol if you need to fight it.

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Terri lover of hills's avatar

Thank you I cut/pasted your comment. I too am ON it regarding treatment. I used the FLCCC site in May, chose a doc on the How to get Iverm list, at that time no prob getting it from my local CVS. FLCCC covid19criticalcare.com has a Pharmacy tab now, due to Pharmageton post Joe Rogan's success with it a month ago. It's possible to get it folks.

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Pearl's avatar

Unfortunately not in Canada!

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PolarRoller's avatar

Customs in your jurisdiction is your problem, and I didn’t run a QC on what I received, but FWIW. I haven’t died yet, so, it must work.🤗

Thank you for choosing IndiaMART....

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Pearl's avatar

Thanks! I'm in the States now so it is easier to find.

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PolarRoller's avatar

LOTS cheaper than FLCCC net. Order the max amt for friends or those in need.

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Pearl's avatar

Is it legal into the U.S. without a prescription?

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PolarRoller's avatar

No idea. I doubt it. As I say customs is an issue maybe, so, they could confiscate it. As it may have occurred to you over the past couple of years, “legal” is a rather squishy term. Show me anything that is illegal for you but not legal for someone else? Is it “legal” that Congress should exempt itself from the laws it requires you to obey? If one plans to live much further into this century these are some things we need to begin to digest. Just sayin’.

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Terri lover of hills's avatar

Quercetin, Zinc, learn what you need to be/stay your healthiest ever. Apple a day.. Quercetin is in the skin! All kinds of good facts to learn. D super impo and your weight. AND try try to get Iverm .. somehow. Mailed?

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JW's avatar

I hate to recommend this, but it does work at a last resort:

https://www.1800petmeds.com/Bimectin+Paste-prod12160.html

Veterinary Ivermectin can be obtained at nearly any farm store. Just make sure it is Ivermectin only with no other active ingredients. The nominal dosage per bodyweight is identical to equine usage, but FLCCC recommends a dose that would be one tube in 5 days, 250lb dose per day if infected.

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NIdahoCatholic's avatar

The liquid injectable is also available at feed stores. Get the 1% kind. 1cc per 50kg body weight. Its bitter, so mix with water or juice.

https://www.barnhardt.biz/ivermectin/

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Duchess's avatar

I wish. has disappeared from my farm store it is not available for the regular price anymore on Amazon...too bad, I think it works and it tasted fine..like apples.

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Pearl's avatar

Thanks, but no way to mail - we seem to be in a black hole. A friend of mine was able to order it from a pharmacy in India (through an Indian friend) but it was stopped at our border. However, I do take quercetin, zinc, and NAC every day, so not suffering :-)

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JW's avatar

I hate to recommend this, but it does work as a last resort if infected:

https://www.1800petmeds.com/Bimectin+Paste-prod12160.html

Veterinary Ivermectin can be obtained at nearly any farm store. Just make sure it is Ivermectin only with no other active ingredients. The nominal dosage per bodyweight is identical to equine usage, but FLCCC recommends a dose that would be one tube in 5 days, 250lb dose per day if infected.

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Tracy C's avatar

I counld NOT have witten a better comment....'nuff said.

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Ziggity's avatar

Great job presenting fantastic advice. Can’t go wrong with any of this. I have ordered IVM and also some multi drug packs for covid from offshore sources. Ordered more than one shipment at significant expense to hopefully avoid interception at customs. I was not afraid last year but this winter looks to be shaping up to be far more dangerous. We must all prepare.

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Tar-Ancalimë's avatar

We can't get ivermectin in the UK (unless you pay £200 for a private consult with a private doctor in the Channel island). This link was published on a lockdown sceptic thread - online pharmacy in Canada I believe: https://www.reliablerxpharmacy.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Ivermectin

Sone one I know ordered some from India from here: https://www.ziverdokit.store/product-page/ziverdo-kit

and it arrived fine but without a box. The manufacturer reference/Indian health regulator number checked out but obviously it's can be worrying to have to order medication from anywhere on the internet.

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It’sJustAnAnology's avatar

I ordered ivm from ziverdo about the beginning of August. Got it in about 6 weeks. Also there is another site buy-pharma.md however I have mot purchased anything from them so can’t vouch for it. I would prefer not to take the “horse paste” but in a worst case scenario probably would. Also I use Himalayan sea salt for a mouthwash/gargle and nasal spray. I have no data on this its just anecdotal info from my own experience. It also clears poison ivy up really well 😂

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cmpalmer75's avatar

Thanks. Definitely worried about ordering outside the country without a script.

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Colly's avatar

Trump suggested using disinfectant but was laughed at for it. Hydrogen peroxide is a disinfectant.

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cmpalmer75's avatar

Yes, I saw it. You can download the article as a PDF to your desktop, but I don't think the links work.

The first paper I linked above wrt recommends the conventional saline wash with no special additions. You can find most of the products in Walgreens, CVS, etc. And remember...never, never...never...use tap water for nasal wash. Never.

https://www.neilmed.com/usa/index.php

I have Dr. Brownstein's book. He does not recommend the people use nebulized H2O2 without a doctors supervision. He's very clear about it. The last thing you want to do is introduce pathogens via nebulizer deep into the lungs, especially if you are already ill. Finding a doctor who will help with this is another story.

This study just came out in preprint. They claim that nebulized hypertonic saline solution is effective against SCV2 virus.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8281484/

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Pearl's avatar

Where would you get hypertonic saline solutions?

Re nebulizing H202 (Food Grade), I've been doing it for almost a year - and I know a number of others who do as well. We use the exact prescription that Dr. Mercola/Dr. Brownstein recommended. I use it before and after being out with other people. Just another way to keep the viral load in the nose down. Also have ordered some xlear which is also highly recommended.

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Pearl's avatar

I have the same problem - something's got to help. Looking forward to getting the Xlear.

Yes, this looks like something I used as the saline part of the H202 formula, so only added 1/4 tsp to one of those packs. It has really helped my nose and my lungs. (It's currently unavailable as are most things that look like they will be of help with 'C'.

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Pearl's avatar

Thanks, I got the Xlear and used it this winter and still use it occasionally. It totally cleared up my sinus problems (10 year problem) and it was a quick goto after being in a crowded situation.

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Duchess's avatar

I am using it prior to my pcr test.

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Ed's avatar

tx!!

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Diana Hilber's avatar

Great info. Thanks!

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