Ph.D. here (piled higher and deeper per my mom). I don't buy that CMU study. I work in a place with 50% PhD's, math, engineering, sciences, and they bought the psy-op hook, line, and sinker. More than 80% got jabbed before the mandates last summer, then it went up to 96%.
I tried to talk to smart guys I know. One time in 2020 it was …
Ph.D. here (piled higher and deeper per my mom). I don't buy that CMU study. I work in a place with 50% PhD's, math, engineering, sciences, and they bought the psy-op hook, line, and sinker. More than 80% got jabbed before the mandates last summer, then it went up to 96%.
I tried to talk to smart guys I know. One time in 2020 it was about IFR, that we had existing immunity, according to doctors at big universities. When I mentioned Stanford, they howled "Scott Atlas? Oh you must watch Fox news." I tried to inform the director's panic committee on masks and PCR. Nope.
My observation is that higher degrees are like ADE. Many folks get educated beyond their natural intelligence and it pulls them into the narratives of the elites.
PhD computer science and JD here. I am a patent attorney and federal trial lawyer who handles IP and technology law cases. I formerly consulted operationally with a national laboratory inter alia viral models.
I have interfaced with STEM PhDs daily for more than twenty years. Today, these folks in my circle are majority religious zealots when it comes to the vexx, mask, social distancing and mandates, including compulsory vexx. Near total covid buy-in to include a dear, much-older friend, retired from Abbott Labs, professor emeritus, and still at age 80 running his own lab on macular degeneration here in Chicago. This latter fellow and his wife have dropped me as a friend and even threatened violence against me should I, the unholy unvexxed, ever appear on their doorstep again.
I question the CM study results. From my perch, this politicized phenomenon orients with personal politics which, I guess, should be expected. Skeptics holding views on the old political right and libertarians refuse to take the vexx and comply with edicts; whereas, so-called progressives and other communists, which includes majority STEM PhD holders, are lockstep aboard with the hysteria and countermeasures. The gaslighting has worked on them superbly in my experience, PhDs, who should question phenomena, are complacent sheeple.
I am sorry about your disturbed friend. This is happening at scale in the most educated circles in my line of sight. I have a religious upbringing and went to a Jesuit university, and so can recognize when something has become a religious proxy or movement. And the Covid panic party have become that, and degree of education seems to have little to do with their being assimilated into the cult. Its evil leaders, on the other hand, are just the eternal rotten filthy tyrant types.
A lot of PhDs probably consider themselves an authority in whatever field they're in. They expect to be listened to when they offer advice, and if you aren't a fellow expert in the same field, expect unquestioning agreement with them. It would be natural for them to extend that obeisance to other PhDs from a field they're not expert in.
I bought into the CMU results under the reasoning that awareness of their own field's intellectual corruption would make them perceive that the biological sciences are just as hollow...
Patent attorney here too. From the years of working in the field, there was a healthy stoicism concerning big pharma, in the bar, in other words, there is a lot of self interest in cognitive bias when it comes to drug development and marketing, so it's best to keep a critical eye on the cold hard facts. And fresh off the opioid marketing push - litigation, BK, collection action damages etc, you would think the bar and at least some in this area would have a more skeptical eye to these mRNA marketing claims. You said "Skeptics holding views on the old political right and libertarians refuse to take the vexx and comply with edicts; whereas, so-called progressives and other communists, which includes majority STEM PhD holders, are lockstep aboard with the hysteria and countermeasures." <--- I think you put your finger on it.
I think you may be right about that. Since birth, I could see them coming before they got out of bed that morning and put their britches on. I've pissed a lot of people off over the years because I wasn't buying whatever bullshit hustle they were trying to sell. Which is fine with me. I would rather be respected than liked. But it just really kind of insults my intelligence, this flimsy house of cards falling down all around, and they just keep popping up on their big tech outlets, msm propaganda dispenseries, rattling off the same talking points like baghdad bob on cnn with american tanks coming up behind him. I mean seriously, at least treat me like a grown-up and quit coming around with the koolaid cup.
I listened to Psychoanalyst last night and he said there always was 10 to 20 percent of the Population were natural bullshit detectors. Education, oddly, has no barring in fact may have the opposite effect. For example, educated people may trust science and not have the ability to comprehend bad actors trying to kill them...etc
I think it’s a pandemic of low self esteem. Those who have chips on their shoulders/ see themselves as victims/ were never popular/ were ostracized/ see themselves as outside the mainstream see this as their opportunity to lord something over others. Those of us who are well adjusted, confident, likely successful, and are critical thinkers who are unclouded by emotion, are not gonna fall for the propaganda and have no time or use for lording anything over anyone.
I have been skeptical of the PHD unvaccinated study as well. Nice to get some inside anecdotal perspective. I love "educated beyond their natural intelligence". 😄
While it´s true that to fully understand the magnitude of the manipulation and social engineering we´re suffering you need some abilities, data comprehension, reasoning, capability to search and understand information, etc., there is a factor that is more important than education or culture when it comes to accept the vaccine, which is how difficult your country puts things for the unvaccinated. For example, for what I know, living is basically impossible in Germany for those without the vaccine, while here in Spain you can still manage to go on in many areas of society. But there are signs that point to future huge fines and even jail for the unvaccinated in some countries. So some people do know what´s going on, but decide to go with the flow and live.
live for how long? we're entering the phase where new variants are sufficiently diverse enough from the primary strain, their immune response is useless. One of these new variants is going to start killing them off. And if Fauci has to go take Bat Lady out for drinks again, so they can get one engineered at the lab, so be it. The goal was always population reduction. The oil and other resources will last a lot longer without all these mouths to feed. That's how these psychopaths reason things.
Probably. Many possible scenarios will open up in 2022. But for most people within the age limit from birth to 70, more or less, Covid rarely represents a life threat, vaccinated or not. I am not negating your reasoning, but Covid is basically not a killer, but a virus that finishes feeble people off. And remember that they need working people to serve them...So most will resist 15, 20 jabs. And they will do it because the alternative might be living in the streets or end up in jail. i am willing to take the risk, but I know most not.
Purple Man it's just so simple in my thinking, and not really even a choice to weigh. I was born free, and I am fully prepared to play World War 3 in the streets with jackbooting darthvader-kit-on-the-dodge-charger gestapo wannabees, and die free in a pool of my own blood. Nobody wants to have to do it, but anyone who isn't at least that committed and decisive is going end up a slave, and 5000 years of history is mostly just them doing this same shit, then when it gets to be unbearable burden, the people throw off the chains and burn stuff to the ground, and maybe 50% of the time, they catch the asshole who's been abusing them, before the asshole can bug-out, and then some large type asshole gets to have a Marie Antwoinette moment.
But at heart, they are ALL cowards. They do not want a real fight, because they don't have a justified reason to fight, they know they have been wrong and they fear us and that guilottine Marie got to field test, more than anything else. So if we all just ignore their ridiculous shit and go to the store or the movies anyway, and when told you cant do that, we always respond with the stubborness of a mule, and the resolve to sacrifice whatever we have to on the altar of freedom, down to our very bones, and stick the middle finger in whatever face said you cant go there, and say "there's no curr in my bloodline. If you were looking for a fight, you found one", and mean it, they will lose and we will win. Boldness and resistance are contagious. So is courage. They only havew as much power as we let them. Lose a little or a lot now, or lose everything and be somebody's pet on a leash. There is no other option.
Ok, I'm done preaching on my soapbox. I'm going to work now, and wherever else I decide to because fuck them. Have a wonderful day!
It's classic Eddie Bernays mass marketing manipulation. I don't really understand why it works, probably because it never has worked on me, but what I did gleen from an old BBC documentary produced long ago before the woke communists took over production management, is that human beings make decisions based primarily on the primal needs. The primal need in play here is the need for social acceptance and position.
Most folks are terrified of the possibility of being cast out from the warm comfort of the group, goes back to a time when survival depended on the clan because you can't take down a wooly mammoth by yourself. The outcast wouldn't survive very long out there in the wilderness. That basic instinctual drive is what these large type assholes who like to play puppet string puller (the Golden Parachute Clown Posse too) are manipulating which is causing your previously rational and sensible friends and associates to abandon common sense and logic to compete for this year's Forrest Gump Award.
For anyone interested in understanding this strange phenomenon, here's the link for that old BBC documentary on youtube:
Somehow, it has thus far escaped the attention of the fact checking clown posse. Probably because it's 4 hours long and their attention span is conditioned to 1 hour at most.
Go check out Scott Adam's reading list. "Presusasion" and "Influence", et. al. In a nut shell the wet computer theory. We (humans) in large part fire off our neural nets as they are primed to fire, ergo reaching a 'decision' then an illusion of reasoning flows in a post hoc rationalization of the decision. In other words, we think we are applying reason, facts and logic in reaching a decision, but for the most part we are not. IMHO, some of us have the special circuits or intuition to have an innate awareness of this is our nature, and make a choice to be self critical in our thinking. To some extent, we can train ourselves, AKA, The Practicing Stoic: A Philosophical User's Manual Hardcover – Farnsworth.
Was this study specifically regarding covid vaccines? Because the population has shifted from those who were hesitant on childhood vaccines - there is overlap but it is a different group now.
Ph.D. here (piled higher and deeper per my mom). I don't buy that CMU study. I work in a place with 50% PhD's, math, engineering, sciences, and they bought the psy-op hook, line, and sinker. More than 80% got jabbed before the mandates last summer, then it went up to 96%.
I tried to talk to smart guys I know. One time in 2020 it was about IFR, that we had existing immunity, according to doctors at big universities. When I mentioned Stanford, they howled "Scott Atlas? Oh you must watch Fox news." I tried to inform the director's panic committee on masks and PCR. Nope.
My observation is that higher degrees are like ADE. Many folks get educated beyond their natural intelligence and it pulls them into the narratives of the elites.
PhD computer science and JD here. I am a patent attorney and federal trial lawyer who handles IP and technology law cases. I formerly consulted operationally with a national laboratory inter alia viral models.
I have interfaced with STEM PhDs daily for more than twenty years. Today, these folks in my circle are majority religious zealots when it comes to the vexx, mask, social distancing and mandates, including compulsory vexx. Near total covid buy-in to include a dear, much-older friend, retired from Abbott Labs, professor emeritus, and still at age 80 running his own lab on macular degeneration here in Chicago. This latter fellow and his wife have dropped me as a friend and even threatened violence against me should I, the unholy unvexxed, ever appear on their doorstep again.
I question the CM study results. From my perch, this politicized phenomenon orients with personal politics which, I guess, should be expected. Skeptics holding views on the old political right and libertarians refuse to take the vexx and comply with edicts; whereas, so-called progressives and other communists, which includes majority STEM PhD holders, are lockstep aboard with the hysteria and countermeasures. The gaslighting has worked on them superbly in my experience, PhDs, who should question phenomena, are complacent sheeple.
I am sorry about your disturbed friend. This is happening at scale in the most educated circles in my line of sight. I have a religious upbringing and went to a Jesuit university, and so can recognize when something has become a religious proxy or movement. And the Covid panic party have become that, and degree of education seems to have little to do with their being assimilated into the cult. Its evil leaders, on the other hand, are just the eternal rotten filthy tyrant types.
"whereas, so-called progressives and other communists, which includes majority STEM PhD holders"
I am considering God is just destroying communists.
Probably just being too hopeful.
A lot of PhDs probably consider themselves an authority in whatever field they're in. They expect to be listened to when they offer advice, and if you aren't a fellow expert in the same field, expect unquestioning agreement with them. It would be natural for them to extend that obeisance to other PhDs from a field they're not expert in.
I bought into the CMU results under the reasoning that awareness of their own field's intellectual corruption would make them perceive that the biological sciences are just as hollow...
Patent attorney here too. From the years of working in the field, there was a healthy stoicism concerning big pharma, in the bar, in other words, there is a lot of self interest in cognitive bias when it comes to drug development and marketing, so it's best to keep a critical eye on the cold hard facts. And fresh off the opioid marketing push - litigation, BK, collection action damages etc, you would think the bar and at least some in this area would have a more skeptical eye to these mRNA marketing claims. You said "Skeptics holding views on the old political right and libertarians refuse to take the vexx and comply with edicts; whereas, so-called progressives and other communists, which includes majority STEM PhD holders, are lockstep aboard with the hysteria and countermeasures." <--- I think you put your finger on it.
Higher degrees are like ADE!! Too funny.
It does seem some of us just have a natural immunity to bull shit. JMO
"It does seem some of us just have a natural immunity to bull shit." very droll and very true.
Bulldogs are very droll. Cheers
I think you may be right about that. Since birth, I could see them coming before they got out of bed that morning and put their britches on. I've pissed a lot of people off over the years because I wasn't buying whatever bullshit hustle they were trying to sell. Which is fine with me. I would rather be respected than liked. But it just really kind of insults my intelligence, this flimsy house of cards falling down all around, and they just keep popping up on their big tech outlets, msm propaganda dispenseries, rattling off the same talking points like baghdad bob on cnn with american tanks coming up behind him. I mean seriously, at least treat me like a grown-up and quit coming around with the koolaid cup.
I listened to Psychoanalyst last night and he said there always was 10 to 20 percent of the Population were natural bullshit detectors. Education, oddly, has no barring in fact may have the opposite effect. For example, educated people may trust science and not have the ability to comprehend bad actors trying to kill them...etc
I think it’s a pandemic of low self esteem. Those who have chips on their shoulders/ see themselves as victims/ were never popular/ were ostracized/ see themselves as outside the mainstream see this as their opportunity to lord something over others. Those of us who are well adjusted, confident, likely successful, and are critical thinkers who are unclouded by emotion, are not gonna fall for the propaganda and have no time or use for lording anything over anyone.
maybe they have small peckers
R U sure about the low esteem point?
Well there are also the overly confident/ egomaniacs. But isn’t that rooted in low self esteem too?
Don't know. I diss psychology.
Totally valid!!
Low s. esteem & lording: Missionaries in the Amazon pick the lame or otherwise misfits to be their representatives in the tribe.
I have been skeptical of the PHD unvaccinated study as well. Nice to get some inside anecdotal perspective. I love "educated beyond their natural intelligence". 😄
While it´s true that to fully understand the magnitude of the manipulation and social engineering we´re suffering you need some abilities, data comprehension, reasoning, capability to search and understand information, etc., there is a factor that is more important than education or culture when it comes to accept the vaccine, which is how difficult your country puts things for the unvaccinated. For example, for what I know, living is basically impossible in Germany for those without the vaccine, while here in Spain you can still manage to go on in many areas of society. But there are signs that point to future huge fines and even jail for the unvaccinated in some countries. So some people do know what´s going on, but decide to go with the flow and live.
live for how long? we're entering the phase where new variants are sufficiently diverse enough from the primary strain, their immune response is useless. One of these new variants is going to start killing them off. And if Fauci has to go take Bat Lady out for drinks again, so they can get one engineered at the lab, so be it. The goal was always population reduction. The oil and other resources will last a lot longer without all these mouths to feed. That's how these psychopaths reason things.
Probably. Many possible scenarios will open up in 2022. But for most people within the age limit from birth to 70, more or less, Covid rarely represents a life threat, vaccinated or not. I am not negating your reasoning, but Covid is basically not a killer, but a virus that finishes feeble people off. And remember that they need working people to serve them...So most will resist 15, 20 jabs. And they will do it because the alternative might be living in the streets or end up in jail. i am willing to take the risk, but I know most not.
Purple Man it's just so simple in my thinking, and not really even a choice to weigh. I was born free, and I am fully prepared to play World War 3 in the streets with jackbooting darthvader-kit-on-the-dodge-charger gestapo wannabees, and die free in a pool of my own blood. Nobody wants to have to do it, but anyone who isn't at least that committed and decisive is going end up a slave, and 5000 years of history is mostly just them doing this same shit, then when it gets to be unbearable burden, the people throw off the chains and burn stuff to the ground, and maybe 50% of the time, they catch the asshole who's been abusing them, before the asshole can bug-out, and then some large type asshole gets to have a Marie Antwoinette moment.
But at heart, they are ALL cowards. They do not want a real fight, because they don't have a justified reason to fight, they know they have been wrong and they fear us and that guilottine Marie got to field test, more than anything else. So if we all just ignore their ridiculous shit and go to the store or the movies anyway, and when told you cant do that, we always respond with the stubborness of a mule, and the resolve to sacrifice whatever we have to on the altar of freedom, down to our very bones, and stick the middle finger in whatever face said you cant go there, and say "there's no curr in my bloodline. If you were looking for a fight, you found one", and mean it, they will lose and we will win. Boldness and resistance are contagious. So is courage. They only havew as much power as we let them. Lose a little or a lot now, or lose everything and be somebody's pet on a leash. There is no other option.
Ok, I'm done preaching on my soapbox. I'm going to work now, and wherever else I decide to because fuck them. Have a wonderful day!
We´re on the same boat. Have a wonderful day too!
It's classic Eddie Bernays mass marketing manipulation. I don't really understand why it works, probably because it never has worked on me, but what I did gleen from an old BBC documentary produced long ago before the woke communists took over production management, is that human beings make decisions based primarily on the primal needs. The primal need in play here is the need for social acceptance and position.
Most folks are terrified of the possibility of being cast out from the warm comfort of the group, goes back to a time when survival depended on the clan because you can't take down a wooly mammoth by yourself. The outcast wouldn't survive very long out there in the wilderness. That basic instinctual drive is what these large type assholes who like to play puppet string puller (the Golden Parachute Clown Posse too) are manipulating which is causing your previously rational and sensible friends and associates to abandon common sense and logic to compete for this year's Forrest Gump Award.
For anyone interested in understanding this strange phenomenon, here's the link for that old BBC documentary on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s
Somehow, it has thus far escaped the attention of the fact checking clown posse. Probably because it's 4 hours long and their attention span is conditioned to 1 hour at most.
Go check out Scott Adam's reading list. "Presusasion" and "Influence", et. al. In a nut shell the wet computer theory. We (humans) in large part fire off our neural nets as they are primed to fire, ergo reaching a 'decision' then an illusion of reasoning flows in a post hoc rationalization of the decision. In other words, we think we are applying reason, facts and logic in reaching a decision, but for the most part we are not. IMHO, some of us have the special circuits or intuition to have an innate awareness of this is our nature, and make a choice to be self critical in our thinking. To some extent, we can train ourselves, AKA, The Practicing Stoic: A Philosophical User's Manual Hardcover – Farnsworth.
My top 5:
01) Glubb, Sir John ~ The Fate of Empires and the Search for Survival (essential)
02) Epictetus ~ The Enchiridion (the original Stoic !)
03) Long, George ~ The Meditations of Marcus Aurelius (Stoicism made a respectable emperor ! )
04) Plato ~ The Republic - The Statesman
05) Paine, Thomas ~ Common Sense (still fires my shitkicker)
PhDs - I diss the misuse of ' and pronouns.
Was this study specifically regarding covid vaccines? Because the population has shifted from those who were hesitant on childhood vaccines - there is overlap but it is a different group now.