smart AI would certainly do that, rather than take humans ! Animals are more truthful, waste less, are economic, and I could go on. A while ago someone commented that not all animals are less cruel and took as example a cat playing with pray. But that is a house cat. A wild animal does not do that but kills as fast as possible. I hope AI does not learn the cruelty of humans!
smart AI would certainly do that, rather than take humans ! Animals are more truthful, waste less, are economic, and I could go on. A while ago someone commented that not all animals are less cruel and took as example a cat playing with pray. But that is a house cat. A wild animal does not do that but kills as fast as possible. I hope AI does not learn the cruelty of humans!
You have never met a weasel. Kills for sport. Feral cats also toy with prey. Lions will kill birds by chasing them down and pawing then won't eat it. I am sure there are more than a handful off kill for funners out there in the animal world.
Humans program the AI.
To clarify about AI: Humans have to have the forethought about variables to program in for use later. The programming stores input for use later. It can only do what it is programmed by humans to do. Computers can learn things and apply them, but the programmer has to have programmed in the variables and outcomes ahead. But... humans. Fallible. That should be the scary part. Man devises all sorts of evil.
I think there are a great many animals you have not met.
Ask the dog if they have been fed today. They will lie.
Ask the cat who knocked the lamp off the table to make more room for the cat..ok the cat will not lie, just sneer at you condescendingly for being insolent enough to put a lamp in her way.
But I digress....animals will deceive if they figure out how.
Camouflage... deception. Dot on a wing to look like an eye... deception. Fluffing up of fur... you guessed it! But maybe that requires a theory of mind. But you could, I guess make that same argument for AI deception. The ends are the same.
Some philosophers think theory of mind has to exist even in two-celled creatures, because they need to recognize me versus not-me to survive. See Peter Carruthers.
The concept of 'self' definitely is present in some non-human animals. My dogs for example, are grounded in he egocentric stage of mental existence. Because I am here, pay attention to me. I don't think they ponder why they are here or how "here" came to exist. The deepest thought is along the lines of "now where did I bury that bone last week?"
Cats on the other hand are certain of why the universe exists - it is here to serve them. I doubt the ponder why.
My theory is that if an artificial intelligence can really be created to act independently and to evolve, it will become corrupt and seek to expand its own power. Animals are deceptive and cruel. The difference from humans is in level of sophistication. Also I do not know if other species have developed the ability for self delusion to anywhere near the extent that humans are capable. Perhaps. Cats do seem to think they are superior to all other species. While some humans want to pretend all other species (besides cats) are superior to humans. Will cats someday evolve to blame themselves for the natural evolution of the universe?
The cats don't bother lying. They do what they do and are not even slightly bothered with remorse or shame. Your basic sociopath - or psychopath... cat depending.
Some parents actually think that. I tried to explain to a hopeless romantic one time that learning to lie is actually part of a child's necessary development. No, he insisted, children will not lie unless they are lied to. Born Victorian.
Personally, I'd put it that learning NOT to lie is part of "necessary development", because it's just human nature to instinctively try to lie about things as soon as you realise you could gain by doing it. Then you have to learn that actually, people will discover your lies and it will be worse in the long run...
The cat will totally lie. What do you think they are doing when they pretend to be washing themselves after they've done something like that (look at me; I'm just keeping clean; totally not guilty) or when they go tell the non-feeding person in the house that they totally absolutely have not been fed today.
smart AI would certainly do that, rather than take humans ! Animals are more truthful, waste less, are economic, and I could go on. A while ago someone commented that not all animals are less cruel and took as example a cat playing with pray. But that is a house cat. A wild animal does not do that but kills as fast as possible. I hope AI does not learn the cruelty of humans!
You have never met a weasel. Kills for sport. Feral cats also toy with prey. Lions will kill birds by chasing them down and pawing then won't eat it. I am sure there are more than a handful off kill for funners out there in the animal world.
Humans program the AI.
To clarify about AI: Humans have to have the forethought about variables to program in for use later. The programming stores input for use later. It can only do what it is programmed by humans to do. Computers can learn things and apply them, but the programmer has to have programmed in the variables and outcomes ahead. But... humans. Fallible. That should be the scary part. Man devises all sorts of evil.
honey badger ain't gonna hurt nobody
My husband calls me honey badger. Totally not nice, but it is meant nice. Plus I would totally rip apart a felled tree to get at a hive full of honey.
I think there are a great many animals you have not met.
Ask the dog if they have been fed today. They will lie.
Ask the cat who knocked the lamp off the table to make more room for the cat..ok the cat will not lie, just sneer at you condescendingly for being insolent enough to put a lamp in her way.
But I digress....animals will deceive if they figure out how.
Camouflage... deception. Dot on a wing to look like an eye... deception. Fluffing up of fur... you guessed it! But maybe that requires a theory of mind. But you could, I guess make that same argument for AI deception. The ends are the same.
Some philosophers think theory of mind has to exist even in two-celled creatures, because they need to recognize me versus not-me to survive. See Peter Carruthers.
The concept of 'self' definitely is present in some non-human animals. My dogs for example, are grounded in he egocentric stage of mental existence. Because I am here, pay attention to me. I don't think they ponder why they are here or how "here" came to exist. The deepest thought is along the lines of "now where did I bury that bone last week?"
Cats on the other hand are certain of why the universe exists - it is here to serve them. I doubt the ponder why.
I will.
My theory is that if an artificial intelligence can really be created to act independently and to evolve, it will become corrupt and seek to expand its own power. Animals are deceptive and cruel. The difference from humans is in level of sophistication. Also I do not know if other species have developed the ability for self delusion to anywhere near the extent that humans are capable. Perhaps. Cats do seem to think they are superior to all other species. While some humans want to pretend all other species (besides cats) are superior to humans. Will cats someday evolve to blame themselves for the natural evolution of the universe?
No.
Theory of mind. Now you're in my wheelhouse!
***Ask the dog if they have been fed today. They will lie.***
Hilarious.
I am learning that a cat will just have the dog lie for them.
The cats don't bother lying. They do what they do and are not even slightly bothered with remorse or shame. Your basic sociopath - or psychopath... cat depending.
caciopath...
Felipath
It doesn't matter which label you give them. They're evil.
Do you think I might love my animals too much ? LOL you are so right. That is why my dog is overweight and my cats are such nutcases !
All animals deceive--it is a survival mechanism.
My children never lie!
Some parents actually think that. I tried to explain to a hopeless romantic one time that learning to lie is actually part of a child's necessary development. No, he insisted, children will not lie unless they are lied to. Born Victorian.
Personally, I'd put it that learning NOT to lie is part of "necessary development", because it's just human nature to instinctively try to lie about things as soon as you realise you could gain by doing it. Then you have to learn that actually, people will discover your lies and it will be worse in the long run...
Those are the kids that turn out the worst
Indeed, I'm sure they personally assured you that they never would. ;)
(IMO, someone who admits that they lie sometimes is likely to be more honest than someone who says they never do...)
That's true and I ain't lying!...;)
The cat will totally lie. What do you think they are doing when they pretend to be washing themselves after they've done something like that (look at me; I'm just keeping clean; totally not guilty) or when they go tell the non-feeding person in the house that they totally absolutely have not been fed today.