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Your post is timely, and for the space and time available, quite accurate. The only things I'd add, having lived and fought fires here since 1980 are that a) the mis-management of the forest and brushlands of the west, coupled with b) a dramatic increase in human caused ignitions, complicated with c) exponential growth at the wildland urban interface, and d) further complicated by a significantly risk adverse mindset by fire leadership, why western fires are increasing in size.

It is a complicated picture to be sure. Improving any one of the factors would reduce the acres burned, but one in particular, appropriate forest fuels management would make a significant positive impact.

Not one of the fire agencies wants to do the work, because !FiReS EVeRywHerE!!! panic sells, drives budgets higher and higher and brings faux respect. Cutting brush, thinning overgrown unhealthy forests, harvesting timber, grazing livestock, building fuel breaks around communities, isn't sexy, it's hard dirty work.

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"...it's hard dirty work."

And no one wants that!

People are such p¿$$ie$ any more. They make me ill!

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So glad I’m not the only one still saying this out loud!

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Sadly, I've been working with people like this since the 90s. Although, they did use the excuse that they had a college degree (so did I) and therefore it wasn't "their job." (But evidently, it was my job.)

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You touch on the true culprit: panic sells the crisis economy... being oldschool, raised on a farm established on raw river washed almost wilderness, I understand how satisfying hard dirty work can be when you have a good team. That amazing sense of togetherness is what is being disrupted. I think it's on purpose to reduce any collective initiatives... but that comes after years now, of blessing and being blessed by the amazing team I get to work with on my local medical floor. Despite the betrayal we have experienced from our leadership - for years now - together we are amazing and have been the glue that kept f'd up system on track.

Ppl need to act more and posture a whole lot less imo 😉💕

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Worth reading:

Beyond Hoax and Apocalypse

https://lachefnet.wordpress.com/2023/06/09/beyond-hoax-and-apocalypse/

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Soil for Climate

https://lachefnet.wordpress.com/2023/06/10/soil-for-climate/

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Regarding "hoaxes," I'm convinced the entire pandemic is a hoax in that this virus was spreading widely months before it was supposed to even exist.

CDC and state health agency data prove that cases of “influenza-like-illness (ILI) were widespread and severe across almost the entire U.S. in the months before “official” Covid. If nothing else, the evidence is overwhelming that more Americans became “sick” and experienced Covid-like symptoms than in the 10 previous flu seasons. Is it possible some large percentage of these sick people actually had Covid? I say yes.

If I’m right and the experts somehow completely missed the copious evidence of “early spread,” the implications are seismic. For example, it seems likely that iatrogenic deaths - and not this virus - explains the vast majority of “Covid deaths” that started happening in April 2020.

https://billricejr.substack.com/p/influenza-like-illness-probably-tells?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

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Ringholes just relabeled flu is the real truth. To create fear, panic & terror to herd humanity into 1World Govtardism, CBDC & Digital Imprisonment,

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COVID is a variant of SARS, which existed back in 2006 (at least that's when I first started treating ppl with it). It's not "novel". The main fundamental difference between the SARS outbreak and the COVID pandemic was the inordinate amount of attention the latter unjustly received from the Digital World. Also, seventeen years ago social media "influencers" weren't the primary source of information for masses of people.

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I got some very interesting pictures from the middle of the fire in Edson, Alberta Canada.

If you go to windy weather or any and get the traffic cam at Edson, around noon EST or 10am their time today . You can slide it back to that time. Take a look. I got 3 pictures.

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Jun 10, 2023·edited Jun 10, 2023

When Australia experienced a deluge of fires some years back --- many of them were arson... the MSM mostly stays away from that cuz it gives people ideas

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/shocking-number-of-arson-charges-in-bushfireravaged-regions-indicate-sinister-start-of-blazes/news-story/be73567276fcbb39b8e7f58bf79268cb

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This weeks hysterics by the media would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic. It would take about a minute and a half to fill a 3 ring binder with the “we’re in the final days!!!!” screams by the corporate media, political talking heads & virtue signaling actors & influencers over the past 7 years. They’ve taken the boy that cried wolf and turned it up to 11. What a shitshow.....

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shit show.

we are living in a shit show

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I would have no idea about the media hysterics. I am not watching!

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Jun 10, 2023·edited Jun 10, 2023

After the same nonsense with Covid, you think people would know better. I'm hoping that enough people have had their eyes opened by what happened with Covid that they'll start thinking more critically about climate change.

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🎯 Here is a brief analysis connecting the climate hoax with Covid.

https://twitter.com/tonyclimate/status/1666471576735449089?s=12&t=FMUec9S5VVasIgeVlLovQA

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We are in the final days... https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=220

Tranny freaks -- illegal immigrants being welcomed --- gender swapping mutilation surgery etc... it's all about Demoralizing the global population to prep them for extermination

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Well kind of. It’s more about degrading yes but to keep them down tone instead of ascending into happiness and contentment,....they can’t touch you up there. The ones left are needed as slaves.

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Politicians, please take note. To actually understand what we are witnessing, and have for the past 50 or so years, you have to grasp the FACT that "environmentalism" is NOT about protecting the environment, nor has it ever been. It is a radical far left/neofascist tactic to destroy capitalism by cutting off our sources of cheap natural resources and energy. Until this FACT is fully understood, discussions of "climate change", "endangered species", "invasive species", "clean air and water" and all the other absolute bullsh-- pushed by the radical greenies and their allies in the media are essentially pissing into the wind.

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Gotta disagree here, given a one-sided statement like that. Like most things in life, it's a matter of balance. Yes, much of the "Movement" has been co-opted to serve other interests, but resource depletion, toxic chemicals, and complete disregard for waste flows were (and still are) real and legitimate issues. Anybody who has ridden over brown wood pulp factory waste on waterskis (as I have) will tell you that corporate environmental abuse is not some figment of the imagination. If RFK Jr.'s campaign to clean up rivers (for example) was an effort to bankrupt corporations, it has failed dismally; CEO's are still receiving very fat paychecks.

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I've heard recently that autism occurs in one out of 35 children. In 1980 it was one in 10,000 children. That a 16,000% increase, and yet no one ever mentions it or shows any concern. All the poisons dumped into the environment are having this effect, and probably many more.

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Studies have been done and conclusively prove that the vaccination rate is making our children sicker.

“ children receiving fewer vaccines are incredibly healthy when compared to the fully-vaccinated children.”…same environment

“vaccines shift the immune system to allergy and autoimmunity [so] you have more and more infections of other kinds” and “too many vaccinations too soon causes immune problems.”

https://deeprootsathome.com/compared-vacd-vs-unvacd-in-large-pediatric-practice-whos-healthier/

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I'm old enough to remember when parents had Chicken Pox parties. Kids were deliberately exposed to someone with chicken pox, in order to get it over with.

I also remember reading an opinion by a doctor, who stressed that it was only an untested opinion, that allowing oneself to be exposed to some septic conditions and thereby ingesting "germs" was good practice for your body in learning to fight more serious disease.

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Jun 12, 2023·edited Jun 12, 2023

I'm that old. And the entire neighborhood's children had chicken pox at the same time.

It was a badge of honor when I was a kid.

These days my parents would be in solitary confinement, next to the J6 protesters, for being "domestic terrorist".

What's funny is that when we had that party, I was 9, and thought it made perfect sense.

The best part of the party is my dad made us ramps, for our bikes, to see who could get the longest "jump".

Of course none of us wore helmets so my parents would be both domestic terrorists and Nazis if that happened now.

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The late, great George Carlin had it right...

Look up his stand-up "germs"...

Way ahead of his time...

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I noticed that I wrote "antiseptic", when I meant "septic". Efforts to edit my comment did not succeed.

I'll pass on endorsing AI, until I see all the bugs worked out on plain old software.

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Immunity is strengthened by sharing pathogens. Absolutely.

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The only vaccine I recall getting as a child was the polio vaccine. There may have been others. I had chicken pox and regular measles, and survived! This was in the early 1960s.

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This seem to be a USA/Canada-problem, so the answer to the whys are probably local/domestic and has very little to do with the actual forests or climate/weather, and I'm not ruling out tacitly approved semi-sanctioned eco-terrorism or mining companies wanting to get at mineral deposits under forests.

Here, a forest owner is obligated to clear underbrush et c at regular intervals as needed, and it's never been a problem since it's in the owner's best interest to do so. All the cut-down saplings, lopped-off branches and other small stuff is then left on the forest floor, mostly. (Some of it goes into the making of wood pellets, as does cleared smaller trees, the ones taken down to improve growth of the larger ones.)

Also, clear-cutting is illegal and has been for, oh I think 30+ years now. It works much better, leaving the prime specimens standing and letting them help re-seed the area than it does using purely aritficial means.

Some 15% of the total forested area (not counting fjells and lakes, obviously) is set aside as nature preserves where no logging or clearing of any kind takes place, and those areas are the ones the /least/ afflicted by fires.

Perhaps you should look at Sweden for a positive example of how to combine for-profit forestry with real environmental concern and having a plethora of species, including red-listed ones, with very few forest fires.

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Having been raised largely on a 2000 acre homestead in the barbarian northlands back in the late Pleistocene, I can attest that forest management was not optional if one wanted to avoid becoming a barbecue feast for the local bear, wolverine, or, preferably, feral feline population.

Yet another confirming example of the wisdom of the Sage of Stanford:

"Much of the social history of the Western world over the past three decades has involved replacing what worked with what sounded good. In area after area – crime, education, housing, race relations – the situation has gotten worse after the bright new theories were put into operation. The amazing thing is that this history of failure and disaster has neither discouraged the social engineers nor discredited them."

~Thomas Sowell, *Is Reality Optional?*

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Wonderful, simple solutions that actually work. I can still visualize the gorgeous country side in Sweden outside the city limits from 30 years ago.

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Just the way we looked to Sweden for management of wu-flu? I’m surprised Sweden isn’t being demonized & ridiculed over proper forestry too

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Nah - Greta is from there, so they get a pass.

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Every controversy (of which there are many these days) is designed to keep us warring with each other to the point of burnout. At that point they usher in their “solutions” which the weary populace accepts. This approach has been effective for centuries and has never led to anything good. Man, I hope people wake up and realize both sides are being played before it’s too late.

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CLIMATE CHANGE IS AN EVEN WORSE FRAUD THAN THE PLANSCAMDEMIC! SO-CALLED GREEN TECH IS A GIGANTIC SCAM! MINING AND MANUFACTURING 'GREEN' PRODUCTS NEEDS COAL, GAS AND OIL AND MINING RARE MINERALS IS MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY TOXIC AND DESTRUCTIVE THAN LEGACY PRODUCTS. SCREW YOUR DAMNED AGENDA!

All manner of lies and propaganda spew forth from the upper echelons in governments worldwide who are completely intertwined with the global criminal ruling class that wants to commit the worst atrocities imaginable and suffer no consequences. And their corruption slithers down the chain of command creating petty tyrants everywhere.

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It was NEVER about health! The Powers That Should Not Be were ALWAYS about they want you DEAD or a SLAVE! This is a painful truth to accept but we the people must wake up and fight back!

We must never lose sight of the larger picture of the vile malignance we are fighting against.

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https://questioningcovid.com

https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1581-james-corbett-breaks-down-the-great-reset/

http://www.stopcp.com/GlobalResetPSYOP/GlobalResetPSYOPMindMap.html

https://everydayconcerned.net/2020/09/04/breaking-major-investigative-report-by-association-of-french-reserve-army-officers-finds-covid-19-pandemic-to-have-a-hidden-agenda-for-global-totalitarianism-nanotech-chipping-of-all-5g-irradia/

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www.nojabforme.info

https://www.globalresearch.ca/we-must-awaken-from-corona-coma-reject-great-reset-robotic-technocracy-assert-common-humanity/5745213

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So, there's a guy out there by the name of Clif High that does what he calls "predictive linguistics" via computer. He's on substack and Bitchute. In the past, his predictions have been wildly off, and his ideas are really unconventional [read as "many would say crazy."] Lately his predictions have been somewhat better.

In one of his latest podcasts, he admitted that those in power have been manipulating the language -- and the world-- for a long time and subverting our nation. However, he just realized that the subversion of science began in the 50's, which is when, in his view, this whole "climate scam" was started. So it's a long term process. Kind of like communism.

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Jun 11, 2023·edited Jun 11, 2023

I love Clif High! Been following him for years!

https://clifhigh.substack.com

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me too!

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My next door neighbor growing up was Sequoia National Park's first ranger. He told me he learned forest management from the native Americans who used the high county in the summer to pasture their stock. When fall came and they left the high country they set fire to it. John quit the Park Service rather than take a pension because of the forest management practice the "educated" rangers, who he called ninety day wonders, implemneted. The forest does need to burn. Unfortunately, as the urban populations impinge upon the forests, as John commented on, prescribed burns is a much more difficult task and will require thoughtful intervention.

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I'm becoming increasingly convinced that these sorts of policy "failures" are deliberate.

After all, as gato notes, gigantic, destructive fires are the perfect PR opportunity to push the "climate change" narrative on a population that is increasingly illiterate, innumerate, ignorant and enjoys the attention span of a mayfly.

The fact of the matter is, as all reality-based people know, that "climate change" is just another theatre curtain, behind which lie the goal of global totalitarian socialist technocracy.

"...one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth..."

~ IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer, November 2010

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony… climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world."

~ Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment

"We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy."

~ Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

This sets up a perverse incentive because the more destructive and horrific the fires are, the more PR value they have to spook the herd into giving up yet another tranche of liberty and treasure to Save the Planet™ by enthusiastically embracing their own enslavement and impoverishment.

Certainly, this caveat must be kept in mind:

"Don’t ascribe to malice what can be plainly explained by incompetence."

~ Hanlon's Razor

But just how long must such incompetence continue, in the face of one horrific outcome after another, before malice can be ascribed?

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some humans are getting more stupid

Sadly, many are in control of big stuff in life. Skeeeery

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These are basic, basic, basic (!!!) ecological principles. I am so tired of these stupid people making detrimental policies. Every community has a climax community and carrying capacity. These are not complex ideas. These people are in fact ruining the environment.

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I am in a state of great distress as I happen to be in Quebec, caught right in the midst of raging forest fires. I highly recommend taking a look at Emmanuel Pastreich's recently published booklet, "How to Ruin the Billionaire Elite." It's definitely worth your attention. - Luc Encl. https://circlesandsquares.asia/2023/06/04/how-to-take-down-the-billionaires-a-manual-in-eleven-chapters-by-emanuel-pastreich/ https://emanuelprez.substack.com/p/how-to-take-down-the-billionaires-485?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=885592&post_id=126268253&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

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The MidWestern Doctor has a substack on how to prevent the air from damaging your lungs. I was in Petaluma in summer 2019, which is always the staging area for fire personnel during Sonoma County fires, and the air wasn't smoky so much as it smelled like a burning recliner factory or a Home Depot. Must be scary.

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No one has questioned the discovery by youtuber "dutchsinse" on June 2, 2023 of all the fires in southern Quebec starting ALL AT ONCE on satellite view. Look up the video and the relevant views start at :40. That has to be manmade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKUkZ2oOFF0

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Jun 10, 2023·edited Jun 10, 2023

Dane Wigington has an insightful video on You tube ( or on his site below) with some very critical and damning info. Everyone needs to watch asap. It's an act as far back as 1975. Documentation! If you do not know, he is the one who has been reporting on Geoengineering.Org. He believes this all ties together.

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What does forest management entail? Wouldn’t this be a good job for people? Especially people who like being outdoors?

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In germany they have been doing forest management clean up and controlled burn for decades. DECADES

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Fabulous!! A journalist should compare the places who have done it to the countries who haven’t.

As the article mentioned, most places used to do it. I would love to know who changed the policy.

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I believe the greenies thought "sweeping" the forests was bad for little animals.

So, I guess just killing little animals in a blaze is better?

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That seems so obviously wrong. How could anyone think they would essentially be God and stop all fires?

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One who tells you he is God when really he is Satan... Satan loves fires.

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Very good point

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it entails both expert knowledge of ecosystem management principles as well as hard, dirty manual labor - clearing underbrush, dead trees, conducting (safely, one hopes) prescribed burns on a periodic basis. typically the latter parts of the task list are delegated to part time laborers at as close to minimum wage as they can manage to offer and still attract semi-qualified job applicants... this task is no longer being performed in quite a lot of places because no one wants the responsibility of paying for said poorly paid laborers to come out of their ever-decreasing budgets... short sighted, to say the least. wildfire response, cleanup and insurance costs are several orders of magnitude higher than just paying for the forest management workers to start with...

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Used to be college kids on summer break did this sort of work. Pay was better than slinging burgers at the Golden Arches Supper Club.

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Thank you!

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Timely post indeed, dear gato.

I have been thinking about this for a few weeks now because our local tv weatherman and the NWS assure us on an almost daily basis that we are in a drought out here in my part of the marvelous middle of the US. The culprit of course is the dreaded and muchly terrifying "CLIMATE CHANGE!!!"

Except. . .

All the trees are green with life and the ones that bloom are blooming. The grass is thick and lush and green as can be. Roses are blooming in the sun and carpets of violets stain the shadows dark purple.

Drought my ass.

The truly terrifying part of all this, ALL THIS, from covid to climate change, to the gender idiocy, the racism crap, etc etc etc is that somehow they have convinced people not to believe their own eyes! And people fall for it! To me this goes beyond propaganda into a realm I don't even have a word for.

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The recent increase in atmospheric CO2 caused the earth to green by about 30%. Plants love the stuff.

Over the history of the earth, CO2 has had its ups and downs, but the long term trend of the last several million years has been a decrease in CO2. At the start of the industrial age it was 270 ppm (parts per million), but now it's around 400 ppm. That's a good thing, because when CO2 levels drop to 150 ppm plants can no longer survive, and all life on earth dies. Humans are unintentionally saving the biosphere by emitting CO2.

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Well now, I hope you have some smelling salts (and maybe a little brandy), because this makes so much sense I may faint. Be patient with me, making sense has become very rare over the last 3+ years.😉

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@Bright Moon - not sure what part of the US you're from (& I've posted this in another comment here) - but it seems that the grasslands are suffering the same kind of mismanagement that the forests are.

https://www.propublica.org/article/colorado-wildfires-controlled-burns-marshall-fire

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Yes. You want prairie? We got prairie!😉🌻 And I'm right on the edge. One of my neighboring states started trying some small controlled burns last year. Don't know yet what they will do this year, too early. We'll see in late summer-early fall.

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Does arson qualify as climate change? 😁

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Why are there so many insular stupid experts having such loud voices?

More so, Why do we have to live among them.

Why are there too many lazy people that do not want to maintain forests? Maybe the pay is not great?

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It's hard work. People don't do that anymore. People sit on their a$$e$ and push buttons.

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