Bang on as always, el gato, except for this sentence: “200 million americans took these drugs. you’d think they might be a tad curious on the data behind them.”
Tragically and incomprehensibly, those who drank the potion have lost all semblance of inquisitiveness. Perhaps that is one of the unlisted side effects …
Bang on as always, el gato, except for this sentence: “200 million americans took these drugs. you’d think they might be a tad curious on the data behind them.”
Tragically and incomprehensibly, those who drank the potion have lost all semblance of inquisitiveness. Perhaps that is one of the unlisted side effects …
Judging from my conversation with an old friend—who has twice drunk the potion, is scheduled for a booster this week, and has already gotten her 5-year-old injected—I think you’re right on both counts. After I gently encouraged her to ask questions and posed several dozen of my own exposing the chasms in the fraudulent narrative, she asked if we could change the subject as it was making her uncomfortable 😢
My local newspaper highlighted a 5-11 vaccination clinic the other day. Every time slot they had open was filled by an eager, clueless mother with a young child, like lambs to slaughter I was thinking. The mothers were expressing relief at finally having the vax available for their youngest children (their older children were already vaxxed). I felt incredibly sad looking at those innocent little faces and listening to the idiotic, ignorant comments from their brainwashed mothers. There were 10 or 15 protestors out front with signs about avoiding the dangerous vaccines, but this apparently didn't impact the vaccine mothers' choices. Very sad for those kids and what may happen to them down the road. Amazing what basic ignorance can do.
I am literally sick from reading your post cmcm. children that may be forever altered bc of their stupid and ignorant parents. I hate to say this, I really do, but the parents that did this to their kids, and those kids are really damaged, they should suffer a thousand deaths of guilt from now until doomsday.
Guilt seems the least punishment they deserve for poisoning their kids to make a political point. A more fitting punishment would involve millstones and the deepest parts of the sea.
"Amazing what basic ignorance can do." - Sad but really it's driven by fear, not ignorance. Most people get but snippets of news and all of that is designed to create fear in order to generate interest (and ad revenue). People are being destroyed via propaganda. Google is a participant in amplifying the fear by hiding any counterfactuals. All of this for more money - more evil.
All of us who are trying to find truth in place like this substack, need to continue advising our friends they are being brainwashed by propaganda because it sells ads. Don't confront, ask if they have seen the long term studies of risk. Ask why they are so afraid. Ask if their child already has antibodies since some 40% already have been infected.
Yes people get very uncomfortable. Why? Why not just patiently explain?
What i've noticed is not one of these people - not a single one - has tried to tell me I should take it for my safety. Because it's mandated or everyone's doing it or to save granny and any number of reasons might be given. But no'one seriously argues the one reasons that should be paramount - that I need this vaccine for my safety. Insane.
Very good point! She pretty much conceded every argument I made and could not come up with a single counter-argument. I don’t classify her as a Covidian because she was willing to listen for quite a while (I probably spent about 45 minutes sharing vaxx injury/death stories, peer-reviewed findings, contradictions in the narrative, evidence of BigPharma/Big Media/Big Tech/Big Brother fraud, etc.) before she asked if we could change the subject. I think she intuitively sensed I was right but didn’t want to believe it because she would be forced to confront the ramifications of what she had done, especially when it came to her child.
Yes, if someone would give me 45 mins I'd defo have a more sympathetic view of them too. Most people back away within seconds, repeating media soundbites like a mantra, usually revolving around the highly nuanced and insightful reference to "conspiracy theories".
Yes, she was actively and sensitively listening and teared up several times while I was talking about the victims. We had a very pleasant conversation after changing the subject, and she gave me a big, long hug and talked about letting me know when she was back in town, so I didn’t get the sense that she planned to disown me 😆 The email I wrote her was so long, I may have overwhelmed her. I’ll just have to wait and see how (if) she ends up responding. My hope was that she would review the material in time to cancel her booster, but I suspect she just went ahead with it since it was already scheduled.
Excellent points! I've been wondering if that new 2 months of immunity includes those two periods of time after each vax when you are MORE likely to to have depressed immunity due to the vax, and therefore more likely to get not only covid but other things as well. If so, your protected period is even less than 2 months!
then let them suffer their own consequences. they are ready to throw the unjabbed into the bottomless pit of fire, well, 2 can play that game. who in their right mind would place their kids on the altar of big pharma and watch it burn.
I spoke to an old friend who seemed to be listening. But then at another meeting it came up again and she started yelling at me, and she even had all these insults prepared. She’s clueless even on mainstream news items, but supports mandates.
The thing is, when and if something happens to her child down the road, due to her basic ignorance she won't know it was caused by the vaccine. She will never know.
i always say to people, dont believe me, do your own due diligence and give them several articles from prominent docs. but as they say, stupid is as stupid does.
I know. She explained that what’s done is done so there’s nothing she can do about it now, and I asked, “Don’t you want to know the truth?” Previously, she had said she was living in a different reality (which I don’t dispute!), and here, she said something to the effect of it not being the truth. I asked, “How do you know if you don’t examine the evidence?” She couldn’t answer that or any of the many other “why’s” I asked her.
Leftists and Democrats hate "why?" questions. I always say to them, "Don't tell me what you believe, tell me WHY you believe it."
They'll tell you *what* but a conversation killer is when they're asked "why?" It has happened sooooo many times in the past that it's no longer just anecdotal.
Their opinions are based on emotion, not intellect, and so they can't answer whys without sounding clueless or ignorant. So they don't bother. They change the subject, or leave the conversation.
Andrew - excellent point. I live in the "whys" - the amount of time I've spent mulling over the "whys" - why should/shouldn't I wear a mask, get the vaccine, request a religious exemption, attempt to persuade others, etc. My liberal friends spend all their time in the what - what should we do about trump, what should we do about florida, what should we do about anti-vaxxers, what should we do about climate change. Their entire intellectual discourse floats on the surface of unvetted assumptions.
Yes! You can immediately demolish every talking point by exposing their faulty premises, but it’s like their script reboots and they start looping through the narrative all over again.
I love the whys. It’s taking responsibility for myself and my decisions. The liberals I know just want to criticize others and how they live their life. So many times I’ve been in conversations where liberals are pontificating theories and solutions about policies and events and individual people’s choices, things they know nothing about—at best they’ve read an article or seen a video. I always say, well, if I really wanted to understand what’s going on, I’d start with these questions. It’s crickets. And they’re off to another topic they are ill-informed about.
Interesting you should say that as my letter to her included a bulleted list of 35 why’s, and no doubt I’ll think of more by the time I end up publishing it.
Here's what I consider to be *the* quintessential example of what I assert about the "why" thing:
Maybe 10 years ago, when I was in Farcebook and my Leftist sister hadn't unfriended me yet, I saw a conversation on her page that involved maybe half a dozen of her female friends.
The conversation was about Gabby Reece, the volleyball player. Gabby had recently been on a talk show and the discussion turned to her fiance. When questioned, Gabby offered that she might, just one time, forgive her future husband for a unfaithful indiscretion. Just ONCE, and only MAYBE, would forgive him.
That sent the gaggle of hags in the FB conversation off the deep end. One of them said that Gabby had been a hero of hers, but now Gabby was dead to her. The worst person on the planet. The others said similar hostile, hateful things.
That's when I stepped in(to it).
I observed that "All you women who have just thrown Gabby Reece under the bus, you did so because she suggested ONLY that she MIGHT forgive her husband's indiscretion just ONCE. For THAT, she is dead to you all.
And yet...you all supported Hillary Clinton for president and still support her today. Yet she made a LIFETIME of forgiving and excusing her husband's serial, pathological marital indiscretions, time after time after time, and did so to her own selfish, personal benefit.
Yet Hillary is your hero, and Gabby is the worst person on the planet.
Can you explain this contradiction?"
Mine was literally the last post in the conversation thread. Not even ONE of them had the integrity or character to answer the question, let alone to admit to their dishonesty and hypocrisy. The conversation was over.
This is a great example too of what is wrong with the whole panic-demic response, too...so much of it is based on "MIGHT" and "COULD" and "WHAT IF." And although I don't look at this scamdemic as a left right issue, I DO think that the avowed liberals I know lean toward envisioning and in fact fetishizing the MIGHT and then acting on it. "We need a nanny state because there MIGHT be someone, somewhere, getting "their" (not his or her) feelings hurt by, well, life." "You not wearing a mask are a direct threat to me I must run from because you MIGHT be contagious, and I MIGHT catch it, and I MIGHT get severely sick or even MIGHT die." None of the actions and reactions are reality based, they are 'what-if' based.
I also have some ideas about how this is maybe because more lefties I know work in academia vs more right-leaning I know work with tangible, 3-D world actual things (farm, construction, vegetable sales, chiropractic), but that's a nascent theory on my part, I want to investigate that more.
Yep. That's exactly their pathetic argument about so-called global warming, too. Just that the globe MIGHT maybe possibly warm up at some very distant point in the future is enough reason for mankind to put a gun to its head now.
And speaking of guns, "if it saves just one child's life"...
Oh trust me Andrew - that conversation wasn't over. They just continued it somewhere without you - and then it was about you and how you ruined their fun with your right-wing ideology. I know these types.
I was really surprised she had succumbed to the narrative given that she is an otherwise rational person with a knowledge of psychology so should have been able to see through the blatant manipulations. Goes to show how powerful mass hypnosis can be.
She did tear up while I was describing the suffering of vaxx-injured and grieving individuals and agreed to watch the Ron Johnson panel (https://thehighwire.com/videos/live-in-d-c-expert-panel-on-medical-mandates-vaccine-injuries/). I wrote her a lengthy letter that I will be adapting and posting as part of my Letters series, but it’s been several days, and I haven’t heard back yet. I can only hope she will gradually awaken once she cracks open the door to reality.
For what they're worth, here are some thoughts on what perhaps has pushed your friend to behave irrationally. The media and governments the world over did an effective job from day 1 of portraying anyone who didn't agree with their plans as stupid rubes who wanted to kill grandmama and who were conspiracy theorists to boot. They covered up dissident voices of many brilliant people and, if those voices got out anyway, conducted vicious smear campaigns. If your friend is the sort who is very concerned about how people perceive her and/or wants to get along with her ingroup, it was easier to agree with what the media and government spouted. As stakes ramped up, it got harder and harder to disagree because the blowback would be even worse. The propaganda has functioned very much like a sales funnel: get people roped into a smaller thing (2 - 3 weeks to flatten the curve!!!), and now these same people have become long-term consumers of the lies.
I think your points are valid, although she isn’t the type to give in to peer pressure. She actually felt she did her due diligence by consulting a biochemist friend and a physician friend, both of whom supposedly researched the vaccines thoroughly and didn’t have any concerns. She admitted that she didn’t have the bandwidth to invest the amount of time researching that I did, and I conceded I’m not surprised she and her friends came to the conclusions they did given that the Ministry of Truth is censoring any facts/evidence that counter their carefully crafted narrative. I absolved her of blame for believing what the authorities told her but encouraged her to start asking questions. I asked her questions like, “Why do you trust BigPharma? Why do you trust mainstream media? Why do you trust Big Tech? Why do you trust the government? Why would you trust BigPharma over the victims they are viciously silencing? Why would Pfizer act like Maddie de Garay doesn’t exist when she volunteered to be part of a clinical trial for teens that was supposedly intended to identify safety concerns they could address? Why haven’t the vaccines been pulled off the market when they have resulted in millions of reports of adverse reactions and tens of thousands of deaths whereas every other vaccine in history was immediately pulled after a tiny handful of AE’s? Why are they forging ahead with a global mass vaccination policy of a brand-new technology that has not undergone long-term clinical trials and that scientists predicted would put selective pressure on the virus to mutate into potentially more virulent forms, which has proven true? Why are they mandating a vaccine that has been proven both unsafe *and* ineffective? Why is anybody risking their life and health to take an untested product in response to an infinitesimal threat? Why did BigPharma smear ivermectin and other cheap, effective treatments that would have prohibited them from securing the EUAs? Why is there a media blackout on vaxx injuries/deaths while they blare out COVID cases based on fraudulent PCR tests and deaths ‘with’ not ‘of’ COVID? Why did they thwart the development of natural herd immunity in evidence by December 2020 when that is what has gotten us out of every other situation like this in history? Why, if this is about health, was there absolutely no mention of preventative health measures that could be taken, emphasis on dietary and lifestyle changes, or advocacy of early treatment protocols?” And dozens upon dozens of other questions she couldn’t answer.
When she brought up the flu vaccine, I replied, “Exactly—why have they never mandated that, and why is the response to this virus so different to all past responses?”
When she asked me why they would lie, I said, “Totalitarianism, and trillions of dollars in recurring profits.”
She was most moved by the stories of the victims and the cruelty with which BigPharma had treated them. I can only hope she will be true to her word and watch the Ron Johnson panel I shared with her.
Here’s the kicker—she had a friend who died of cardiac issues after getting vaxxed! But she also knew several people who died “of” COVID, so I think she weighed the risks and felt it was worth it.
"She was most moved by the stories of the victims..."
This is part of the problem. People are making emotional decisions based on what amounts to a very small number of unfortunate outcomes.
There is no doubt that the number of adverse outcomes deserves withdrawal of this ineffective treatment, but pointing out a few heartbreaking cases that changes people's minds, should show us all just how little actual evidence can be recruited to steer people in the direction TPTB want us to go.
I see your point, but I would not call more than 4 million reports of adverse reactions worldwide, including tens of thousands of deaths, “a very small number”! And considering self-reporting systems are notoriously significantly underreported—combined with the unprecedented amount of pressure on medical facilities and professionals NOT to report—that number is likely exponentially higher in reality.
I jokingly said to two uber-vaxxed friends that I am serving humanity by being in the control group. They have been very quiet since then and I suspect I have lost them as friends. I’ll live. Literally.
64 and decided to forego the shots and wait to watch what would happen. Read the ingredient list and decided No way. And that is only what is given free, god knows what else is in there. Have not been seriously ill in over 10 years, taking my chance with the sickness rather than with the sick maker! I would certainly listen to you LOL
I follow Steve Kirsch on his substack. Yesterday he said they have vials of the vaccine and are taking them in for lab analysis. Maybe we will be able to finally know what's in these shots.
And familiies - my brother asked me for information about Ivermectin because all he could find on a google search were right wing websites. I sent him a presentation by Dr. Pierre Kory that he had presented at a conference in Sri Lanka, along with other data I had collected on the crimes of Pfizer, et al. I already knew he would outright reject anything I sent him from El gato malo. When I followed up with my brother, he said that he was too depressed to read it. He just doesn't want to know. He is too invested in his own tribal associations and his opinion that I have shifted to the right because of my refusal to get vaxxed. https://odysee.com/@FrontlineCovid19CriticalCareAlliance:c/Dr-Pierre-Kory-presentation-to-an-audience-of-medical-and-other-leaders-of-Sri-Lanka-October-2021:a
I have always considered myself way to the left of my brother politically - I no longer consider "left" and "right" to have any meaning at all anymore. BTW, been using the Brave browser since I first heard of it from my gato pal.
I don't understand how "shifting to the right" has become synonymous with "becoming an insane conspiracy theorist". How did that happen? How did those on the left lose all sense of compassion and understanding with those who simply prioritise values differently?
Try sending him my “Letter to a Scientifically-Minded Friend” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-scientifically-minded) as I wrote it specifically for a friend who’s a “believer,” and I used the ivermectin disinformation campaign as a way of exposing the fraudulent narrative. I include *ample* citations from peer-reviewed journals in the footnotes as well. There shouldn’t be a single item in there he could discredit as being from a “right-wing” source.
Thank you, Susan, and isn’t it astonishing that people with all of those qualities in other areas can be so dissociated that they fail to practice them with this narrative?
I miss the old deprogramming techniques like kidnapping the cult member, sequestering them in a hotel room, and slapping them until they recover their sensibilities.
It is also difficult because to realize that you've been lied to and manipulated with deathly consequence is to recognize a level of evil so deep, dark, and shocking that is very hard for good, honest, trusting people to accept. It forever alters your world view of government, health agencies, and the media.
Absolutely. I got the sense that my friend wasn’t ready for that level of darkness, so I focused more on the fraud, greed, and lies. I gave her a copy of my fairy tale (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/the-vapor-the-hot-hat-and-the-witches) as a gift, and she started reading it to herself. By the end, she seemed deflated, and all she could say was, “Dystopian.”
My brother has serious TDS and has associated anything from a conservative website as automatically false. Very sad considering that his source of information (NPR, Huffpo, MSNBC, CNN) offer such erroneous, misleading, shallow information. I try to avoid all political references with him, but I have to work overtime to find valuable information links that are on a more neutral website that he can "accept". He seemingly can't evaluate the information at face value and can only relate to the site on which it is found. Sigh.
I went through that arduous exercise when compiling links for “Dr. Mengelfauci: Pinocchio, Puppeteer, or Both?” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/dr-mengelfauci-pinocchio-puppeteer), and I even included a footnote explaining why I solely cited mainstream sources. With later articles, however, I realized you can’t *find* a single mainstream source for many of the stories alternative media is breaking and Big Media is suppressing, so I had to give up trying in some cases.
They will never ask and will never know. Some may get increasingly sicker over the years through compromised immune systems but will make absolutely no connection with the vaccinations. So be it, I guess.
INdeed. I forwarded several official sites with warnings to vaxxed friends and family. Next time they saw me they asked the same question, where did you get that information? So either they deleted the sites without even looking at my Emails, or a ghost intercepted them. I don't think the Google ghost will go that far.
I sense that those who took it will avoid learning of the very poor decision they made. One of my sisters took it voluntarily, and every time I post an article about the injuries, the lack of data for US AEs, the numbers in Europe, Israel, etc., she comes back with some defensive rebuttal. It's exhausting. Not only that but she has gone full "CDC is great" wagon by taking the flu shot for the first time in her life! I've given up on trying to talk sense into her or any of the Covidians. My only focus now is on my teenagers.
Bang on as always, el gato, except for this sentence: “200 million americans took these drugs. you’d think they might be a tad curious on the data behind them.”
Tragically and incomprehensibly, those who drank the potion have lost all semblance of inquisitiveness. Perhaps that is one of the unlisted side effects …
Some might be too scared to know. Others might think wanting to know would make them "anti-vax."
Judging from my conversation with an old friend—who has twice drunk the potion, is scheduled for a booster this week, and has already gotten her 5-year-old injected—I think you’re right on both counts. After I gently encouraged her to ask questions and posed several dozen of my own exposing the chasms in the fraudulent narrative, she asked if we could change the subject as it was making her uncomfortable 😢
My local newspaper highlighted a 5-11 vaccination clinic the other day. Every time slot they had open was filled by an eager, clueless mother with a young child, like lambs to slaughter I was thinking. The mothers were expressing relief at finally having the vax available for their youngest children (their older children were already vaxxed). I felt incredibly sad looking at those innocent little faces and listening to the idiotic, ignorant comments from their brainwashed mothers. There were 10 or 15 protestors out front with signs about avoiding the dangerous vaccines, but this apparently didn't impact the vaccine mothers' choices. Very sad for those kids and what may happen to them down the road. Amazing what basic ignorance can do.
I am literally sick from reading your post cmcm. children that may be forever altered bc of their stupid and ignorant parents. I hate to say this, I really do, but the parents that did this to their kids, and those kids are really damaged, they should suffer a thousand deaths of guilt from now until doomsday.
Guilt seems the least punishment they deserve for poisoning their kids to make a political point. A more fitting punishment would involve millstones and the deepest parts of the sea.
Touche!
Unfortunately the next step, when their willful ignorance catches up to them will be to find and punish scapegoats.
And we will hold up a mirror to remind them who is ultimately responsible for an underage child's safety.
"Amazing what basic ignorance can do." - Sad but really it's driven by fear, not ignorance. Most people get but snippets of news and all of that is designed to create fear in order to generate interest (and ad revenue). People are being destroyed via propaganda. Google is a participant in amplifying the fear by hiding any counterfactuals. All of this for more money - more evil.
All of us who are trying to find truth in place like this substack, need to continue advising our friends they are being brainwashed by propaganda because it sells ads. Don't confront, ask if they have seen the long term studies of risk. Ask why they are so afraid. Ask if their child already has antibodies since some 40% already have been infected.
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Yes people get very uncomfortable. Why? Why not just patiently explain?
What i've noticed is not one of these people - not a single one - has tried to tell me I should take it for my safety. Because it's mandated or everyone's doing it or to save granny and any number of reasons might be given. But no'one seriously argues the one reasons that should be paramount - that I need this vaccine for my safety. Insane.
Very good point! She pretty much conceded every argument I made and could not come up with a single counter-argument. I don’t classify her as a Covidian because she was willing to listen for quite a while (I probably spent about 45 minutes sharing vaxx injury/death stories, peer-reviewed findings, contradictions in the narrative, evidence of BigPharma/Big Media/Big Tech/Big Brother fraud, etc.) before she asked if we could change the subject. I think she intuitively sensed I was right but didn’t want to believe it because she would be forced to confront the ramifications of what she had done, especially when it came to her child.
Yes, if someone would give me 45 mins I'd defo have a more sympathetic view of them too. Most people back away within seconds, repeating media soundbites like a mantra, usually revolving around the highly nuanced and insightful reference to "conspiracy theories".
Yes, she was actively and sensitively listening and teared up several times while I was talking about the victims. We had a very pleasant conversation after changing the subject, and she gave me a big, long hug and talked about letting me know when she was back in town, so I didn’t get the sense that she planned to disown me 😆 The email I wrote her was so long, I may have overwhelmed her. I’ll just have to wait and see how (if) she ends up responding. My hope was that she would review the material in time to cancel her booster, but I suspect she just went ahead with it since it was already scheduled.
I find brevity to be most effective to pierce the shell:
* by declining the vax you are 100% safe from adverse reactions and 99.8% safe from covid.
* the vax doesn't prevent you catching or passing covid and the long-term effects are unknown.
* vax 'immunity' lasts approx 2 months. Natural immunity lasts a lifetime.
Excellent points! I've been wondering if that new 2 months of immunity includes those two periods of time after each vax when you are MORE likely to to have depressed immunity due to the vax, and therefore more likely to get not only covid but other things as well. If so, your protected period is even less than 2 months!
Brilliant distillation!
and if she went ahead, she gets what she deserves in guilt and ignorance.
then let them suffer their own consequences. they are ready to throw the unjabbed into the bottomless pit of fire, well, 2 can play that game. who in their right mind would place their kids on the altar of big pharma and watch it burn.
I spoke to an old friend who seemed to be listening. But then at another meeting it came up again and she started yelling at me, and she even had all these insults prepared. She’s clueless even on mainstream news items, but supports mandates.
then good riddens and go down with the ship....
then she should and will suffer if something happens to her precious child and i will not give her an ounce of sympathy.
The thing is, when and if something happens to her child down the road, due to her basic ignorance she won't know it was caused by the vaccine. She will never know.
then she is a fool.
i always say to people, dont believe me, do your own due diligence and give them several articles from prominent docs. but as they say, stupid is as stupid does.
"I'd rather be ignorant than be uncomfortable." Yeesh.
and y'all wonder why cats laugh at humans....
That's because dogs have owners and cats have staff lol.🐱
I know. She explained that what’s done is done so there’s nothing she can do about it now, and I asked, “Don’t you want to know the truth?” Previously, she had said she was living in a different reality (which I don’t dispute!), and here, she said something to the effect of it not being the truth. I asked, “How do you know if you don’t examine the evidence?” She couldn’t answer that or any of the many other “why’s” I asked her.
Leftists and Democrats hate "why?" questions. I always say to them, "Don't tell me what you believe, tell me WHY you believe it."
They'll tell you *what* but a conversation killer is when they're asked "why?" It has happened sooooo many times in the past that it's no longer just anecdotal.
Their opinions are based on emotion, not intellect, and so they can't answer whys without sounding clueless or ignorant. So they don't bother. They change the subject, or leave the conversation.
Andrew - excellent point. I live in the "whys" - the amount of time I've spent mulling over the "whys" - why should/shouldn't I wear a mask, get the vaccine, request a religious exemption, attempt to persuade others, etc. My liberal friends spend all their time in the what - what should we do about trump, what should we do about florida, what should we do about anti-vaxxers, what should we do about climate change. Their entire intellectual discourse floats on the surface of unvetted assumptions.
Yes! You can immediately demolish every talking point by exposing their faulty premises, but it’s like their script reboots and they start looping through the narrative all over again.
Yes!!!! Never forward motion.
I love the whys. It’s taking responsibility for myself and my decisions. The liberals I know just want to criticize others and how they live their life. So many times I’ve been in conversations where liberals are pontificating theories and solutions about policies and events and individual people’s choices, things they know nothing about—at best they’ve read an article or seen a video. I always say, well, if I really wanted to understand what’s going on, I’d start with these questions. It’s crickets. And they’re off to another topic they are ill-informed about.
Interesting you should say that as my letter to her included a bulleted list of 35 why’s, and no doubt I’ll think of more by the time I end up publishing it.
Here's what I consider to be *the* quintessential example of what I assert about the "why" thing:
Maybe 10 years ago, when I was in Farcebook and my Leftist sister hadn't unfriended me yet, I saw a conversation on her page that involved maybe half a dozen of her female friends.
The conversation was about Gabby Reece, the volleyball player. Gabby had recently been on a talk show and the discussion turned to her fiance. When questioned, Gabby offered that she might, just one time, forgive her future husband for a unfaithful indiscretion. Just ONCE, and only MAYBE, would forgive him.
That sent the gaggle of hags in the FB conversation off the deep end. One of them said that Gabby had been a hero of hers, but now Gabby was dead to her. The worst person on the planet. The others said similar hostile, hateful things.
That's when I stepped in(to it).
I observed that "All you women who have just thrown Gabby Reece under the bus, you did so because she suggested ONLY that she MIGHT forgive her husband's indiscretion just ONCE. For THAT, she is dead to you all.
And yet...you all supported Hillary Clinton for president and still support her today. Yet she made a LIFETIME of forgiving and excusing her husband's serial, pathological marital indiscretions, time after time after time, and did so to her own selfish, personal benefit.
Yet Hillary is your hero, and Gabby is the worst person on the planet.
Can you explain this contradiction?"
Mine was literally the last post in the conversation thread. Not even ONE of them had the integrity or character to answer the question, let alone to admit to their dishonesty and hypocrisy. The conversation was over.
THAT is emblematic of most of the Left, IMO.
This is a great example too of what is wrong with the whole panic-demic response, too...so much of it is based on "MIGHT" and "COULD" and "WHAT IF." And although I don't look at this scamdemic as a left right issue, I DO think that the avowed liberals I know lean toward envisioning and in fact fetishizing the MIGHT and then acting on it. "We need a nanny state because there MIGHT be someone, somewhere, getting "their" (not his or her) feelings hurt by, well, life." "You not wearing a mask are a direct threat to me I must run from because you MIGHT be contagious, and I MIGHT catch it, and I MIGHT get severely sick or even MIGHT die." None of the actions and reactions are reality based, they are 'what-if' based.
I also have some ideas about how this is maybe because more lefties I know work in academia vs more right-leaning I know work with tangible, 3-D world actual things (farm, construction, vegetable sales, chiropractic), but that's a nascent theory on my part, I want to investigate that more.
Yep. That's exactly their pathetic argument about so-called global warming, too. Just that the globe MIGHT maybe possibly warm up at some very distant point in the future is enough reason for mankind to put a gun to its head now.
And speaking of guns, "if it saves just one child's life"...
They do not reason. They cannot reason.
Oh trust me Andrew - that conversation wasn't over. They just continued it somewhere without you - and then it was about you and how you ruined their fun with your right-wing ideology. I know these types.
These types tend to be named , "Karen."
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Haha, what a great (and sad) example! I think you short-circuited their brains by asking them to use logic to justify their position ;-)
"Karen," does not do logic.
I fear you will never hear from her again.
if something happens to her child, it is on her...it will take that for her eyes to open. how stupid can you be.
It's sad to see situations like that.
I was really surprised she had succumbed to the narrative given that she is an otherwise rational person with a knowledge of psychology so should have been able to see through the blatant manipulations. Goes to show how powerful mass hypnosis can be.
She did tear up while I was describing the suffering of vaxx-injured and grieving individuals and agreed to watch the Ron Johnson panel (https://thehighwire.com/videos/live-in-d-c-expert-panel-on-medical-mandates-vaccine-injuries/). I wrote her a lengthy letter that I will be adapting and posting as part of my Letters series, but it’s been several days, and I haven’t heard back yet. I can only hope she will gradually awaken once she cracks open the door to reality.
For what they're worth, here are some thoughts on what perhaps has pushed your friend to behave irrationally. The media and governments the world over did an effective job from day 1 of portraying anyone who didn't agree with their plans as stupid rubes who wanted to kill grandmama and who were conspiracy theorists to boot. They covered up dissident voices of many brilliant people and, if those voices got out anyway, conducted vicious smear campaigns. If your friend is the sort who is very concerned about how people perceive her and/or wants to get along with her ingroup, it was easier to agree with what the media and government spouted. As stakes ramped up, it got harder and harder to disagree because the blowback would be even worse. The propaganda has functioned very much like a sales funnel: get people roped into a smaller thing (2 - 3 weeks to flatten the curve!!!), and now these same people have become long-term consumers of the lies.
I think your points are valid, although she isn’t the type to give in to peer pressure. She actually felt she did her due diligence by consulting a biochemist friend and a physician friend, both of whom supposedly researched the vaccines thoroughly and didn’t have any concerns. She admitted that she didn’t have the bandwidth to invest the amount of time researching that I did, and I conceded I’m not surprised she and her friends came to the conclusions they did given that the Ministry of Truth is censoring any facts/evidence that counter their carefully crafted narrative. I absolved her of blame for believing what the authorities told her but encouraged her to start asking questions. I asked her questions like, “Why do you trust BigPharma? Why do you trust mainstream media? Why do you trust Big Tech? Why do you trust the government? Why would you trust BigPharma over the victims they are viciously silencing? Why would Pfizer act like Maddie de Garay doesn’t exist when she volunteered to be part of a clinical trial for teens that was supposedly intended to identify safety concerns they could address? Why haven’t the vaccines been pulled off the market when they have resulted in millions of reports of adverse reactions and tens of thousands of deaths whereas every other vaccine in history was immediately pulled after a tiny handful of AE’s? Why are they forging ahead with a global mass vaccination policy of a brand-new technology that has not undergone long-term clinical trials and that scientists predicted would put selective pressure on the virus to mutate into potentially more virulent forms, which has proven true? Why are they mandating a vaccine that has been proven both unsafe *and* ineffective? Why is anybody risking their life and health to take an untested product in response to an infinitesimal threat? Why did BigPharma smear ivermectin and other cheap, effective treatments that would have prohibited them from securing the EUAs? Why is there a media blackout on vaxx injuries/deaths while they blare out COVID cases based on fraudulent PCR tests and deaths ‘with’ not ‘of’ COVID? Why did they thwart the development of natural herd immunity in evidence by December 2020 when that is what has gotten us out of every other situation like this in history? Why, if this is about health, was there absolutely no mention of preventative health measures that could be taken, emphasis on dietary and lifestyle changes, or advocacy of early treatment protocols?” And dozens upon dozens of other questions she couldn’t answer.
When she brought up the flu vaccine, I replied, “Exactly—why have they never mandated that, and why is the response to this virus so different to all past responses?”
When she asked me why they would lie, I said, “Totalitarianism, and trillions of dollars in recurring profits.”
She was most moved by the stories of the victims and the cruelty with which BigPharma had treated them. I can only hope she will be true to her word and watch the Ron Johnson panel I shared with her.
Here’s the kicker—she had a friend who died of cardiac issues after getting vaxxed! But she also knew several people who died “of” COVID, so I think she weighed the risks and felt it was worth it.
"She was most moved by the stories of the victims..."
This is part of the problem. People are making emotional decisions based on what amounts to a very small number of unfortunate outcomes.
There is no doubt that the number of adverse outcomes deserves withdrawal of this ineffective treatment, but pointing out a few heartbreaking cases that changes people's minds, should show us all just how little actual evidence can be recruited to steer people in the direction TPTB want us to go.
I see your point, but I would not call more than 4 million reports of adverse reactions worldwide, including tens of thousands of deaths, “a very small number”! And considering self-reporting systems are notoriously significantly underreported—combined with the unprecedented amount of pressure on medical facilities and professionals NOT to report—that number is likely exponentially higher in reality.
I rather loose a friend than live a lie
I jokingly said to two uber-vaxxed friends that I am serving humanity by being in the control group. They have been very quiet since then and I suspect I have lost them as friends. I’ll live. Literally.
Plenty of other people in the world ! That kind of friends we do not need
good for you Rose, good riddens.
64 and decided to forego the shots and wait to watch what would happen. Read the ingredient list and decided No way. And that is only what is given free, god knows what else is in there. Have not been seriously ill in over 10 years, taking my chance with the sickness rather than with the sick maker! I would certainly listen to you LOL
I follow Steve Kirsch on his substack. Yesterday he said they have vials of the vaccine and are taking them in for lab analysis. Maybe we will be able to finally know what's in these shots.
FABULOUS!
Watch & Wait.
only fools rush in.
Yes, but it's becoming harder and heartbreaking to watch especially when membesr of your family fell for the lies. You continue to love them and pray.
and who know if what is listed is actually truth...
love your do not comply icon
I would listen to you!
And familiies - my brother asked me for information about Ivermectin because all he could find on a google search were right wing websites. I sent him a presentation by Dr. Pierre Kory that he had presented at a conference in Sri Lanka, along with other data I had collected on the crimes of Pfizer, et al. I already knew he would outright reject anything I sent him from El gato malo. When I followed up with my brother, he said that he was too depressed to read it. He just doesn't want to know. He is too invested in his own tribal associations and his opinion that I have shifted to the right because of my refusal to get vaxxed. https://odysee.com/@FrontlineCovid19CriticalCareAlliance:c/Dr-Pierre-Kory-presentation-to-an-audience-of-medical-and-other-leaders-of-Sri-Lanka-October-2021:a
I have always considered myself way to the left of my brother politically - I no longer consider "left" and "right" to have any meaning at all anymore. BTW, been using the Brave browser since I first heard of it from my gato pal.
I don't understand how "shifting to the right" has become synonymous with "becoming an insane conspiracy theorist". How did that happen? How did those on the left lose all sense of compassion and understanding with those who simply prioritise values differently?
Trump Derangement Syndrome obliterated all former tolerances for nuance and any degree of openness to debate.
I think they should re-open the mental hostpitals.
Seriously.
There would be more people inside than outside them!
Labeling things as "conspiracy theory" is a long time radical leftist tactic.
CIA-originated, supposedly, although some sources say that ain’t true—probably CIA-authored ones ;-)
Try sending him my “Letter to a Scientifically-Minded Friend” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-scientifically-minded) as I wrote it specifically for a friend who’s a “believer,” and I used the ivermectin disinformation campaign as a way of exposing the fraudulent narrative. I include *ample* citations from peer-reviewed journals in the footnotes as well. There shouldn’t be a single item in there he could discredit as being from a “right-wing” source.
Beautifully written.
It's hard to convince the intelligent, reasonable, rational, and scientifically-minded to NOT trust the (pseudo) science.
Thank you, Susan, and isn’t it astonishing that people with all of those qualities in other areas can be so dissociated that they fail to practice them with this narrative?
I miss the old deprogramming techniques like kidnapping the cult member, sequestering them in a hotel room, and slapping them until they recover their sensibilities.
It is also difficult because to realize that you've been lied to and manipulated with deathly consequence is to recognize a level of evil so deep, dark, and shocking that is very hard for good, honest, trusting people to accept. It forever alters your world view of government, health agencies, and the media.
Absolutely. I got the sense that my friend wasn’t ready for that level of darkness, so I focused more on the fraud, greed, and lies. I gave her a copy of my fairy tale (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/the-vapor-the-hot-hat-and-the-witches) as a gift, and she started reading it to herself. By the end, she seemed deflated, and all she could say was, “Dystopian.”
I love this!
You are very clever & talented.
I adore the dreamy images.
Do you have your little fairy tale book for sale? If not, you should.
Thank you!
LMK how it goes if you do! Curious to hear how it plays out in a real-life scenario.
I'm not holding my breath... Good piece though.
My brother has serious TDS and has associated anything from a conservative website as automatically false. Very sad considering that his source of information (NPR, Huffpo, MSNBC, CNN) offer such erroneous, misleading, shallow information. I try to avoid all political references with him, but I have to work overtime to find valuable information links that are on a more neutral website that he can "accept". He seemingly can't evaluate the information at face value and can only relate to the site on which it is found. Sigh.
I went through that arduous exercise when compiling links for “Dr. Mengelfauci: Pinocchio, Puppeteer, or Both?” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/dr-mengelfauci-pinocchio-puppeteer), and I even included a footnote explaining why I solely cited mainstream sources. With later articles, however, I realized you can’t *find* a single mainstream source for many of the stories alternative media is breaking and Big Media is suppressing, so I had to give up trying in some cases.
Exactly! There has been censorship to such a degree it's now almost impossible to find a neutral source.
i do not want that kind of stupid around me.
They will never ask and will never know. Some may get increasingly sicker over the years through compromised immune systems but will make absolutely no connection with the vaccinations. So be it, I guess.
we will know
INdeed. I forwarded several official sites with warnings to vaxxed friends and family. Next time they saw me they asked the same question, where did you get that information? So either they deleted the sites without even looking at my Emails, or a ghost intercepted them. I don't think the Google ghost will go that far.
I sense that those who took it will avoid learning of the very poor decision they made. One of my sisters took it voluntarily, and every time I post an article about the injuries, the lack of data for US AEs, the numbers in Europe, Israel, etc., she comes back with some defensive rebuttal. It's exhausting. Not only that but she has gone full "CDC is great" wagon by taking the flu shot for the first time in her life! I've given up on trying to talk sense into her or any of the Covidians. My only focus now is on my teenagers.
do not waste your time on her it is hopeless. Unless they come to their senses on their own, I think no talking is doing any good