The pardons may be overbroad without any crimes referenced - more like retroactive immunity. Charge them anyway and let the Supreme Court sort it out, let the process be the punishment.
For those Pardoned by Biden, Trump should sign an Executive Order cutting off all federal retirement payments for anyone who received a presidential pardon until the full nature of their crimes against America and the constitution are fully understood.
And then push congress to pass a law that terminates federal retirement payments for anyone found to have committed felonious acts while employed by the federal government as evidence by either a jury conviction, a presidential pardon for such acts, or a refusal to testify before congress asserting 5th amendment protections!
Not sure whether that would stand up to a legal challenge, but it would definitely hit them where they hurt, since the only things that matter to leftists are power and money…and it’s worth a try!
To make it stand up to a legal challenge, direct that pardons be treated the same as convictions of felonies for acts in the commission of office, which also result in the loss of pensions. Pardons exempt those pardoned from criminal punishment, but not from the civil consequences of crimes.
Make Matt Gaetz special council in the new justice department and investigate them, then issue warrants based on phoney evidence, followed by arrests. They should be held in solitary confinement without trial or access to legal representation like the J6 prisoners. At the end of 4 years Trump can pardon Gaetz for any wrongdoing.
Agreed; AND nothing in the pardon power (federal crimes) that precludes using impeachment and convicting in Senate.
Don’t know what an impeachment conviction would preclude but I’m thinking retirement/health benefits, ill gotten gains, etc.
I’m sure smarter folk than I can fill this in.
But there has to be accountability for treason, at least illegality.
Remember, impeachment is NOT criminal; but,
What if republicans and enough demonratz grew a pair or two and convicted Biden for crimes committed in and before these last four miserable years - could that give Congress the power to reach back in time to remedy wrongs, what about clawing back HIS/THEIR ill gotten gains — do to them what they’ve done/tried to do to POTUS Trump.
Good idea, but getting that through congress may be more than trump would be capable of. Thin majorities in congress and given his first term, I'm not optimistic. When contemplating General Eisenhower winning the Presidential election, Truman said, He'll sit here, and he'll say, Do this! Do that! And nothing will happen. Poor Ike it won't be a bit like the Army. He'll find it very frustrating.
"The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment."
He can pardon offenses. Not people who ostensibly have not offended. In the US, you are innocent until proven guilty, so his pre-emptive pardons have no legal standing. I hope the Trump DOJ pursues these people, and when they try and assert that they've been pardon, it goes all the way up to the Supreme Court.
Agree 100%. The founders never intended a get out of jail free card for the president's buddies and family. Congress could however do investigations with subpoena power to get to the bottom of all the crimes and coverups. Just because you are pardoned doesn't mean there can't be investigations. Lie under subpoena and off to jail you go. And since it happened after the pardons, it isn't covered.
R E A L L Y!!) like this idea! I’m trying (rather unsuccessfully I might add) not to get too caught up in this, as I’m trying to avoid things or media that raise my already high blood pressure, but I agree! Hit ‘em in their pocketbooks! They have no conscious or respect for their fellow Earthlings, but they seem to fixate on greed. I vote YES on this idea! There simply JUST HAS to be a means for justice! This is an obscene carrying out of abuse. Gato is an astute kitty… Biden doesn’t even know where he is half the time, MORESO to have the wherewithal to ‘pardon’ anyone!
One thing, though, that I AM a least comforted with, is the knowledge that as atrocious as these events have been, many sleeping Americans have become aware of just how deep the corruption is….with the whole world watching!!! yet? On the other wing of the bird, I know people who still think that if Kamala didn’t win we’re all going to hell in a hand basket, and are gung ho in stopping what they fear (thanks. MSM!) that Trump will do.
Either way? Things will NEVER be the same! (Thank Heavens!)
My sister and her son, my nephew are in the Kamala basket. They are loyal TDS-ers. It takes a real Sisyphean effort to talk to her about anything important. If they're at all representative of the sleeping Americans, they have not and will not become aware of the corruption.
I'm not sure what you mean by where's is she sitting? She's in Texas and I'm in New Mexico. Given our states' political preferences, I should be in Texas and she in New Mexico. Heavens knows I've lectured her enough. It doesn't end well. We're the only two left of our immediate family, so we change the subject when things get too heated.
Brookings Institute is arguing that judicial precedent is not to accept pardons that do not specify a crime. Not sure how strong their argument is, but probably worth pursuing.
This will definitely require a court challenge. The only question is how best to go about it. Who has been injured? Who has standing to sue?
How long will Biden and Fauci be alive to be ruined by a court case? Not long enough to suffer for the damage they’ve done, but this precedent cannot stand.
The purpose of the Richard Nixon pardon wasn't to spare Nixon personally; it was the notion that the investigation would be bad for America because of all of the infighting it would inspire.
"Avoiding investigations" is also the purpose of these pardons. It's not so much about whether Anthony Fauci goes to jail; it's about the fact that an investigation that formally enters his actions into evidence would be massively discrediting to The Party.
They claim, because Trump is going to go after the poor public servants as retribution for standing up to him and fighting for America. And about 40% of the population will believe that.
RIGHT??!!! As someone stated earlier…Just the act of being “pardoned” indicates that there’s an acknowledgment that misdeeds have actually been committed.
"For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind"
This may all be a blessing to be honest. America got to see first hand what happens when you put a Marxist at the resolute desk.
IMO Trump needed his four-year walk in the wilderness to rethink, regroup, and prepare himself for battle. If he won reelection in 2020, his second term would be bogged down with treacherous and disloyal advisors and lawfare from both Republicans and Democrats.
The Deep State is a monstrous hydra with multiple heads. Once severd, its heads can regenerate, and the hydra can only be defeated if its immortal head is chopped off. This task is daunting even for Trump and his cabinet and advisors, but it’s NOW OR NEVER. .
I've come to this thought as well. Perhaps Trump 2.0 now knows what he is facing. He would not have had the support of American in 2021 the way people could support him now, after 4 years of Bolshevism. Marxism would have been much milder.
Trump also had four years off the field, planning his second-term strategy. He picked his cabinet, advisors, and inner circle far more strategically and thoughtfully than eighht years ago. Rather than trying to play nice with the GOP establishment and ruling class, he is going scorched earth. He has two, maybe four, depending on how the midterm elections go, years to deliver a fatal blow to the corrupt administrative state.
Democrats and tge ruling class will rue the day they pilfered the 2020 election. Instead of a weakened lame-duck President Trump serving his second term, with the lawfare chihuahuas constantly nipping at his ankles, they had the failed Biden presidency
I’m not so sure RG. I don’t even think he picked his own running mate so I have doubts about the rest of the lineup. There’s no doubt in my mind that Thiel and Musk picked Vance. He’s Thiel’s boy, an early Never Trumper, completely lacking in credentials. Most of the rest are avowed Zionists, which may or may not indicate AIPAC influence. Fewer of his picks this time around are established Beltway insiders, but that in itself doesn’t sell me that these are really Trump’s people.
I'd rather him pick people close to him that he can trust than just picking previous policy. He has a mandate. There's no way any of these people are going to cross him unless he doesn't layout his vision well enough.
For example, I rather like Hegseth. Didn't our Founders intend for regular people to hold office?
I don't like the Rubio pick and a few others though. Although he's too much of a pussy to do anything his boss doesn't approve of.
At the end of the day it's Trumps responsibility. He's the executive and failure of one of his picks is not a reflection of his pick....it's his failure.
I'd say leviathan rather than hydra. Deep, old, tentacles everywhere. Tentacle emerges on the far left and causes a blip? Be sure that underneath it all something terrible is brewing. Far right blip? Same. Needs bright bright sunlight.
Hopefully, when it comes to the people he surrounds himself with trump has learned? If you're In politics and you can't tell when you walk into a room who's for you and who's against you, then you're in the wrong line of work.
A little late, Gato. He also pardoned the entire Biden family just minutes before the oath was to take place. And I'm a little POd at Justice Roberts for rushing the oath; to the point where Trump's family wasn't readied in place and the Bibles weren't there. A little passive-aggressive much? Asshats, the lot.
This isn’t just corruption, this is Biden trying to rewrite history and shield his cronies before Trump walks in to clean house.
Biden, the puppet of leftist elites, has cemented himself as the most pathetic, destructive, and cowardly president in U.S. history. This isn’t leadership - it’s desperation from a man who couldn’t lead a lemonade stand, let alone the greatest nation on Earth.
His presidency ends as it began: a colossal failure for America
It is my opinion that Alzheimer's joe's "presidency" was actually a Color Revolution ran in the usa. Proving Felix's point: "The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes." Felix Frankfurter The Rascals running it appear to have been Jacobins. Absent Elon Musk and his Crew's intervention they might well have held onto power.
Not only a colossal failure, but a deep embarrassment for the U.S. and the American people who supposedly elected this bozo. We have collectively looked really stupid and inept for the last 4 years as the world laughs at him...and us by extension.
"The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment."
He can pardon offenses. Not people who ostensibly have not offended. In the US, you are innocent until proven guilty, so his pre-emptive pardons have no legal standing. I hope the Trump DOJ pursues these people, and when they try and assert that they've been pardon, it goes all the way up to the Supreme Court.
I don't think you can pardon someone for a crime that they haven't yet been tried for and convicted of. And even if you can, the president can only pardon people for federal crimes. Fauci can be charged in 50 states, and a presidential pardon has no jurisdiction at that level.
That's what I thought about. The states can all present charges against all of them. President can only pardon a federal crime. Name the shot a bioweapon, that's charges and no royalties for creating a bioweapon. Crimes against humanity also.
You're on the right track, I think. Change must come from the States. Our best protection against bigger government in Washington is better government in the states.
If they lie, prevaricate, obfuscate, if they don’t tell "the TRUTH, the whole TRUTH, nothing but the TRUTH," this "pardon doesn’t protect them.
Also, this may protect them from criminal prosecution but what about civil suits, what about confiscation of "ill gotten gains" from conspiracy against USofA and/or world.
Why can’t they claim the Fifth? They’re still subject to state criminal statutes so it seems to me they could still cite freedom from self-incrimination.
Perhaps the most disgusting thing I've ever seen from an outgoing administration -- and just four years ago the media was bleating about the possibility of Trump pardoning HIS family.
Of course, you know the media is going to frame this as "protection from a vindictive Trump", but that's not going to hold once the public understands exactly what went down during the Biden administration (and the Obama one before it).
They're using it simply as a signal for the MSM to yell "persecution" for the next four years, giving cover to these criminals so they can say it's just vindictive retribution.
Release the documents......, Clinton foundation, emails, Uranium1, Obama birth/ SS certificates, Seth Rich, etc. Treasure trove, plus political reality check.
Based on comments from my TDS sister and her son, my nephew, I'm not sure the public who swallowed all the bs will ever understand. She called today bleating about watching "my man" being inaugurated. She would watch something else, but that's all that was on. I let her know that I wasn't watching "my man". In fact, I wasn't watching anything. Told her I would get the highlights probably from your sub stack. Get busy, buddy.
Biden's own DOJ said he was not mentally fit to stand before a trial, but yet he's now miraculously mentally fit to issue blanket pardons and unconstitutional amendments by decree of a "king"
You can't make this shit up!
I'm sorry when Trump pardons the J6 protesters he needs to tell the radicals to STFU.
By accepting pardons they forfeit their right to hide behind the 5th., They can be compelled to testify before Congress and at criminal trials against their co-conspirators.
this seems a widely held notion, but having spoken to several lawyers on the topic, i do not believe it to be correct. courts have held that self-incrimination may exist outside of legalism and eligibility for prosecution so the 5th still holds and is available.
but you cannot plead the 5th when asked about the deeds of others. this is where things could get interesting
Also, pleading the 5th is fundamentally one of the only inalienable rights the government cannot even pretend take away; no government agent can make someone speak. They can only coerce someone though increasingly immoral means, and we know at a point that speech becomes unreliable (torture).
He pardoned all these folks, but he can’t stop the release of all these records of the things these criminals did. And they are criminals! Every one of their security clearances should be pulled and they should be barred from any government jobs or monies. By accepting the pardons they are admitting to a crime.
No, they must admit to crimes to accept the pardon. See SCOTUS case Burdick v US (1915). Formal acceptance is necessary to give effect to the pardon. The opinion says that a pardon carries "an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it". A real Constitutional lawyer needs to explain whether this case is controlling, and if this issue, pardoning individuals for uncharged crimes, has ever been adjudicated
We are saying about the same thing. You just said it better - more completely. Most of those pardoned were just on a list, such as all the staff for the January 6 committee. MTG and Steve Bannon were saying in the post inauguration talk on Real America's Voice this afternoon that those in the legislature that were on the committee should have to resign since they admitted being criminals by accepting the pardons. I agree with that, for sure. It could also cost those pardoned criminals their pensions we will see how this plays out.
Robbie, Ithanks, but I just googled it and summarized (except for the partial quote). We need Turley or Dershowitz to tell us if these pardons are constitutional, and what, if anything can be done, like your VERY good ideas on resignations and loss of pension. Fauci, for one, must have a gigantic pension, as he was the highest paid federal employee.
Tom Fitton says they should be prosecuted anyway and see what the Supreme Court decides about these preemptive pardons, particularly in light of the discoveries that Biden didn't make the pardons himself and was unaware of many of them: https://patriots.win/p/19AK6Gleuz/fitton-says-ignore-the-pardons-p/c
Hmmm. No pardon for Debbie Birx, who was the ringleader for lockdowns (recall that Fauci did NOT start out that way until she forced the issue.) you prosecute who you can. Birx.
Did Jake Sullivan and Tony Blinken make the cut? How about Victoria Nuland? This isn’t a dry hole by any means but I sense a whole lot of “I don’t recall” if any of them are called to testify before congress. Maybe they can join Cecile Richards at the gates of hell.
This entire pardoning process under a president who has dementia must be investigated, with all his pardons (especially for uncharged/currently unknown crimes) being reversed.
Additionally, there is NO reason that a lame-duck president should be allowed to invoke any EOs or pardons AFTER his electoral defeat. None. And not for several months for no good reason, as is allowed now. If an employee in a typical corporation has been fired, he or she is immediately escorted from the building and denied access to all corporate assets including websites and computers. Why is a lame-duck president treated any differently?
Why is anyone surprised? We all knew the treasonous dummy was going to do this. It’s more important than ever to demonstrate the fraudulence of the 2020 election.
The pardons may be overbroad without any crimes referenced - more like retroactive immunity. Charge them anyway and let the Supreme Court sort it out, let the process be the punishment.
For those Pardoned by Biden, Trump should sign an Executive Order cutting off all federal retirement payments for anyone who received a presidential pardon until the full nature of their crimes against America and the constitution are fully understood.
And then push congress to pass a law that terminates federal retirement payments for anyone found to have committed felonious acts while employed by the federal government as evidence by either a jury conviction, a presidential pardon for such acts, or a refusal to testify before congress asserting 5th amendment protections!
Not sure whether that would stand up to a legal challenge, but it would definitely hit them where they hurt, since the only things that matter to leftists are power and money…and it’s worth a try!
Yeah. But make the process the penalty
Thereby doing unto 'them' as 'they' have done unto us.
And proving, as many of us have always known, "There is a God. And he is just!"
So glad that you steeped that in Biblical terms.
And cost them lots of $$ to defend.
Thats right.
And not having the privilege of the government paying for their defense.
I hope they all end up pushing a grocery cart under a bridge and eating cold soup out of cans for the rest of their lives.
LOVE the image that created!
Step #1 Remove his security detail
Step #2 Investigate Fauci and everyone around him and release everything they actually did including the crap around AIDS
Step #3 Release his address and where you walks around.
To make it stand up to a legal challenge, direct that pardons be treated the same as convictions of felonies for acts in the commission of office, which also result in the loss of pensions. Pardons exempt those pardoned from criminal punishment, but not from the civil consequences of crimes.
Fauci would still get vaxx royalties.. wait...isn't that a conflict of interest?
Investigate, publish and, like lymond suggests, charge him anyway and let SCOTUS sort it out
I'm sure Senator Rand Paul may have some ideas about how to investigate Fauci.
I found this on site in Australia, what do you make of it? If real any pardon is negated.
https://youtu.be/5Z0qHw_aUsU
Make Matt Gaetz special council in the new justice department and investigate them, then issue warrants based on phoney evidence, followed by arrests. They should be held in solitary confinement without trial or access to legal representation like the J6 prisoners. At the end of 4 years Trump can pardon Gaetz for any wrongdoing.
Ooooh. I love that idea
Agreed; AND nothing in the pardon power (federal crimes) that precludes using impeachment and convicting in Senate.
Don’t know what an impeachment conviction would preclude but I’m thinking retirement/health benefits, ill gotten gains, etc.
I’m sure smarter folk than I can fill this in.
But there has to be accountability for treason, at least illegality.
Remember, impeachment is NOT criminal; but,
What if republicans and enough demonratz grew a pair or two and convicted Biden for crimes committed in and before these last four miserable years - could that give Congress the power to reach back in time to remedy wrongs, what about clawing back HIS/THEIR ill gotten gains — do to them what they’ve done/tried to do to POTUS Trump.
Check this out from Australian site, (I'm in Australia) see what you think! Total bs pardon if true.
https://youtu.be/5Z0qHw_aUsU
brilliant and doable!!
Good idea, but getting that through congress may be more than trump would be capable of. Thin majorities in congress and given his first term, I'm not optimistic. When contemplating General Eisenhower winning the Presidential election, Truman said, He'll sit here, and he'll say, Do this! Do that! And nothing will happen. Poor Ike it won't be a bit like the Army. He'll find it very frustrating.
Harry S. Truman
Hey, Ryan, you got some great ideas. Perhaps you should work for the... never mind.
oh i think their bank accounts are quite secure
BRILLIANT!!!
"The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment."
He can pardon offenses. Not people who ostensibly have not offended. In the US, you are innocent until proven guilty, so his pre-emptive pardons have no legal standing. I hope the Trump DOJ pursues these people, and when they try and assert that they've been pardon, it goes all the way up to the Supreme Court.
I'm just putting this out there from Australian site this morning AEST ( Australin Eastern savings time)
See what you think, I think this "Nulls" the pardon!
https://youtu.be/5Z0qHw_aUsU
What many have suspected since he took office. At least Johnson went public with this. Finally.
Wow.
Excellent idea. See how much they have for lawyers. Then pardon the lawyers who went after the pardoned...
^^ this one
Yes, pardons for uncharged crimes is constitutionally dubious stuff.
Agree 100%. The founders never intended a get out of jail free card for the president's buddies and family. Congress could however do investigations with subpoena power to get to the bottom of all the crimes and coverups. Just because you are pardoned doesn't mean there can't be investigations. Lie under subpoena and off to jail you go. And since it happened after the pardons, it isn't covered.
I REALLY (I and I mean
R E A L L Y!!) like this idea! I’m trying (rather unsuccessfully I might add) not to get too caught up in this, as I’m trying to avoid things or media that raise my already high blood pressure, but I agree! Hit ‘em in their pocketbooks! They have no conscious or respect for their fellow Earthlings, but they seem to fixate on greed. I vote YES on this idea! There simply JUST HAS to be a means for justice! This is an obscene carrying out of abuse. Gato is an astute kitty… Biden doesn’t even know where he is half the time, MORESO to have the wherewithal to ‘pardon’ anyone!
One thing, though, that I AM a least comforted with, is the knowledge that as atrocious as these events have been, many sleeping Americans have become aware of just how deep the corruption is….with the whole world watching!!! yet? On the other wing of the bird, I know people who still think that if Kamala didn’t win we’re all going to hell in a hand basket, and are gung ho in stopping what they fear (thanks. MSM!) that Trump will do.
Either way? Things will NEVER be the same! (Thank Heavens!)
My sister and her son, my nephew are in the Kamala basket. They are loyal TDS-ers. It takes a real Sisyphean effort to talk to her about anything important. If they're at all representative of the sleeping Americans, they have not and will not become aware of the corruption.
Well, wake her up and tell her Kamala's basket was shredded and has burned! Where's your sister sitting now?
I'm not sure what you mean by where's is she sitting? She's in Texas and I'm in New Mexico. Given our states' political preferences, I should be in Texas and she in New Mexico. Heavens knows I've lectured her enough. It doesn't end well. We're the only two left of our immediate family, so we change the subject when things get too heated.
Yes Lymond. This!
Brookings Institute is arguing that judicial precedent is not to accept pardons that do not specify a crime. Not sure how strong their argument is, but probably worth pursuing.
They would probably lodge a cease and desist suit if Trump’s DOJ launches an investigation
There were several (12?) who were not completely pardoned because he felt that they should not be. I am waiting to hear more about that.
This will definitely require a court challenge. The only question is how best to go about it. Who has been injured? Who has standing to sue?
How long will Biden and Fauci be alive to be ruined by a court case? Not long enough to suffer for the damage they’ve done, but this precedent cannot stand.
I found this on site in Australia, is this real then?
https://youtu.be/5Z0qHw_aUsU
Yes...the interview is in print in numerous places including the Wall Street Journal.
That's odd... Why do you pardon someone who allegedly hasn't done anything?
You can't. The Constitution does not grant that power. It specifically only allows a President to pardon offenses.
The purpose of the Richard Nixon pardon wasn't to spare Nixon personally; it was the notion that the investigation would be bad for America because of all of the infighting it would inspire.
"Avoiding investigations" is also the purpose of these pardons. It's not so much about whether Anthony Fauci goes to jail; it's about the fact that an investigation that formally enters his actions into evidence would be massively discrediting to The Party.
Or would unmask the WEF/Gates cabal..
Rick you took the exact question I have. The pardons imply they did something wrong.
Pardon = admission of guilt
I'll take it. So let's ask them what they've done and see what they say. See if they can remember...
They claim, because Trump is going to go after the poor public servants as retribution for standing up to him and fighting for America. And about 40% of the population will believe that.
God forbidding!!! only democrats.
it is the only way they can feel like they can sleep at night again.
RIGHT??!!! As someone stated earlier…Just the act of being “pardoned” indicates that there’s an acknowledgment that misdeeds have actually been committed.
Yes, it's like an admission of guilt
"For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind"
This may all be a blessing to be honest. America got to see first hand what happens when you put a Marxist at the resolute desk.
IMO Trump needed his four-year walk in the wilderness to rethink, regroup, and prepare himself for battle. If he won reelection in 2020, his second term would be bogged down with treacherous and disloyal advisors and lawfare from both Republicans and Democrats.
The Deep State is a monstrous hydra with multiple heads. Once severd, its heads can regenerate, and the hydra can only be defeated if its immortal head is chopped off. This task is daunting even for Trump and his cabinet and advisors, but it’s NOW OR NEVER. .
I've come to this thought as well. Perhaps Trump 2.0 now knows what he is facing. He would not have had the support of American in 2021 the way people could support him now, after 4 years of Bolshevism. Marxism would have been much milder.
Exactly.
Trump also had four years off the field, planning his second-term strategy. He picked his cabinet, advisors, and inner circle far more strategically and thoughtfully than eighht years ago. Rather than trying to play nice with the GOP establishment and ruling class, he is going scorched earth. He has two, maybe four, depending on how the midterm elections go, years to deliver a fatal blow to the corrupt administrative state.
Democrats and tge ruling class will rue the day they pilfered the 2020 election. Instead of a weakened lame-duck President Trump serving his second term, with the lawfare chihuahuas constantly nipping at his ankles, they had the failed Biden presidency
I’m not so sure RG. I don’t even think he picked his own running mate so I have doubts about the rest of the lineup. There’s no doubt in my mind that Thiel and Musk picked Vance. He’s Thiel’s boy, an early Never Trumper, completely lacking in credentials. Most of the rest are avowed Zionists, which may or may not indicate AIPAC influence. Fewer of his picks this time around are established Beltway insiders, but that in itself doesn’t sell me that these are really Trump’s people.
I'd rather him pick people close to him that he can trust than just picking previous policy. He has a mandate. There's no way any of these people are going to cross him unless he doesn't layout his vision well enough.
For example, I rather like Hegseth. Didn't our Founders intend for regular people to hold office?
I don't like the Rubio pick and a few others though. Although he's too much of a pussy to do anything his boss doesn't approve of.
At the end of the day it's Trumps responsibility. He's the executive and failure of one of his picks is not a reflection of his pick....it's his failure.
But I get your overarching point
I read several times earlier on that Don Jr. was the one who pushed for Vance.
In the dementia style!
I'd say leviathan rather than hydra. Deep, old, tentacles everywhere. Tentacle emerges on the far left and causes a blip? Be sure that underneath it all something terrible is brewing. Far right blip? Same. Needs bright bright sunlight.
I'm not entirely sure Biden knew he was a Marxist!! 🤣
Pudding brain woke up every day to learn he was POTUS, to only forget it by his first nap of the day.
Must be challenging.
Hopefully, when it comes to the people he surrounds himself with trump has learned? If you're In politics and you can't tell when you walk into a room who's for you and who's against you, then you're in the wrong line of work.
Lyndon B. Johnson
I'd love to have a beer with you. I could learn a lot
THANKS! How much you'd learn? Debatable. But THANKS!
A little late, Gato. He also pardoned the entire Biden family just minutes before the oath was to take place. And I'm a little POd at Justice Roberts for rushing the oath; to the point where Trump's family wasn't readied in place and the Bibles weren't there. A little passive-aggressive much? Asshats, the lot.
This isn’t just corruption, this is Biden trying to rewrite history and shield his cronies before Trump walks in to clean house.
Biden, the puppet of leftist elites, has cemented himself as the most pathetic, destructive, and cowardly president in U.S. history. This isn’t leadership - it’s desperation from a man who couldn’t lead a lemonade stand, let alone the greatest nation on Earth.
His presidency ends as it began: a colossal failure for America
It is my opinion that Alzheimer's joe's "presidency" was actually a Color Revolution ran in the usa. Proving Felix's point: "The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes." Felix Frankfurter The Rascals running it appear to have been Jacobins. Absent Elon Musk and his Crew's intervention they might well have held onto power.
But someone could "make lemonade" with several sitcoms!!!
Make America Fun Again!
Not only a colossal failure, but a deep embarrassment for the U.S. and the American people who supposedly elected this bozo. We have collectively looked really stupid and inept for the last 4 years as the world laughs at him...and us by extension.
Maybe get the oath done before any more pardons?
"The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment."
He can pardon offenses. Not people who ostensibly have not offended. In the US, you are innocent until proven guilty, so his pre-emptive pardons have no legal standing. I hope the Trump DOJ pursues these people, and when they try and assert that they've been pardon, it goes all the way up to the Supreme Court.
yes.. this is an issue that could be scotus bound.
There's literally a screenshot of it in the article, though?
@Commander- WTH, kittynana! How did I even miss that???? TY
Robert's surely is. He also screwed up one of Obama's oaths, can't remember which.
Robts looks compromised.
@Rick- I think he's shown that he is
I don't think you can pardon someone for a crime that they haven't yet been tried for and convicted of. And even if you can, the president can only pardon people for federal crimes. Fauci can be charged in 50 states, and a presidential pardon has no jurisdiction at that level.
Filing lawsuits in various states (aot federal charges) is the exact game they played with Trump in NY and GA, so that’s a genuine possibility.
That's what I thought about. The states can all present charges against all of them. President can only pardon a federal crime. Name the shot a bioweapon, that's charges and no royalties for creating a bioweapon. Crimes against humanity also.
You're on the right track, I think. Change must come from the States. Our best protection against bigger government in Washington is better government in the states.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Amnesty is not a Presidential power!
Yeah, but…
They can’t claim 5th
If they lie, prevaricate, obfuscate, if they don’t tell "the TRUTH, the whole TRUTH, nothing but the TRUTH," this "pardon doesn’t protect them.
Also, this may protect them from criminal prosecution but what about civil suits, what about confiscation of "ill gotten gains" from conspiracy against USofA and/or world.
Same for J5 traitors
And any state laws
Why can’t they claim the Fifth? They’re still subject to state criminal statutes so it seems to me they could still cite freedom from self-incrimination.
Perhaps the most disgusting thing I've ever seen from an outgoing administration -- and just four years ago the media was bleating about the possibility of Trump pardoning HIS family.
Of course, you know the media is going to frame this as "protection from a vindictive Trump", but that's not going to hold once the public understands exactly what went down during the Biden administration (and the Obama one before it).
They're using it simply as a signal for the MSM to yell "persecution" for the next four years, giving cover to these criminals so they can say it's just vindictive retribution.
I think gato wrote an entire essay on this.
That's a bingo!
Release the documents......, Clinton foundation, emails, Uranium1, Obama birth/ SS certificates, Seth Rich, etc. Treasure trove, plus political reality check.
Please tell me this means we can veto Obama care!!!!
Based on comments from my TDS sister and her son, my nephew, I'm not sure the public who swallowed all the bs will ever understand. She called today bleating about watching "my man" being inaugurated. She would watch something else, but that's all that was on. I let her know that I wasn't watching "my man". In fact, I wasn't watching anything. Told her I would get the highlights probably from your sub stack. Get busy, buddy.
You expect me to be sober on Trump day? The viewing thread is open!
Vigilant Fox put out some highlights of Trump's first speech:
https://vigilantfox.news/p/trump-delivers-historic-first-speech
You lazy loafer. Kidding.
I did put up the full first speech! And once this one is over I'll add the others. I didn't record any of the minor guys today.
I knew I was right to have faith in you.
I put up the signing of the executive orders, just for you.
No one needs a pardon who is not guilty. This must be undone. The man is insane.
Reminder: We have no idea who, or what, has been making pronouncements in Biden's name - or running the damned country - for the last few years.
And yeah, dementia could be termed a form of insanity.
This seems to be a theme in these comments.
No man is above the law!
some animals are more equal than others...
Hahaha...good one Yuri! And I'm sure Hillary is will go on trial soon for all her felonies...
Joltin’ Joe did not pardon her. Ha! Ha!
Sadly, that heartfelt wish has never really been true.
Anywhere.
...except hunter b.
Since Biden is manifestly non compos mentis, perhaps all his recent actions can be declared null and void.
I hope so, anyway.
Biden's own DOJ said he was not mentally fit to stand before a trial, but yet he's now miraculously mentally fit to issue blanket pardons and unconstitutional amendments by decree of a "king"
You can't make this shit up!
I'm sorry when Trump pardons the J6 protesters he needs to tell the radicals to STFU.
And punish all the people who tried (and failed!) to hide it!!!
By accepting pardons they forfeit their right to hide behind the 5th., They can be compelled to testify before Congress and at criminal trials against their co-conspirators.
this seems a widely held notion, but having spoken to several lawyers on the topic, i do not believe it to be correct. courts have held that self-incrimination may exist outside of legalism and eligibility for prosecution so the 5th still holds and is available.
but you cannot plead the 5th when asked about the deeds of others. this is where things could get interesting
How many people pissed they didn't get a pardon are going to flip on the ringleaders when the investigations get going?
Like Birx
Some entrepreneurial u-tuber could probably get great footage by interviewing police and former convicts on their feeling on the pardons.
Police because it makes a mockery of their oath and duty. Convicts too: "If Hunter, why not me?".
Time proven investigative tactic, start small, squeeze, continue forward progress....higher rats really start to eat each other
Where is Rochelle these days? Is she still in the US?
Like Pfizer management and GoF researchers.
Also, pleading the 5th is fundamentally one of the only inalienable rights the government cannot even pretend take away; no government agent can make someone speak. They can only coerce someone though increasingly immoral means, and we know at a point that speech becomes unreliable (torture).
Is remaining mute allowed during questioning, hearings and when testifying in the USA?
It is legal to do so here, but odds are it'll count against you in the eyes of the court.
He pardoned all these folks, but he can’t stop the release of all these records of the things these criminals did. And they are criminals! Every one of their security clearances should be pulled and they should be barred from any government jobs or monies. By accepting the pardons they are admitting to a crime.
That they are admitting to the crimes by accepting the pardons is the thing that must always be brought up.
No, they must admit to crimes to accept the pardon. See SCOTUS case Burdick v US (1915). Formal acceptance is necessary to give effect to the pardon. The opinion says that a pardon carries "an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it". A real Constitutional lawyer needs to explain whether this case is controlling, and if this issue, pardoning individuals for uncharged crimes, has ever been adjudicated
We are saying about the same thing. You just said it better - more completely. Most of those pardoned were just on a list, such as all the staff for the January 6 committee. MTG and Steve Bannon were saying in the post inauguration talk on Real America's Voice this afternoon that those in the legislature that were on the committee should have to resign since they admitted being criminals by accepting the pardons. I agree with that, for sure. It could also cost those pardoned criminals their pensions we will see how this plays out.
Robbie, Ithanks, but I just googled it and summarized (except for the partial quote). We need Turley or Dershowitz to tell us if these pardons are constitutional, and what, if anything can be done, like your VERY good ideas on resignations and loss of pension. Fauci, for one, must have a gigantic pension, as he was the highest paid federal employee.
Tom Fitton says they should be prosecuted anyway and see what the Supreme Court decides about these preemptive pardons, particularly in light of the discoveries that Biden didn't make the pardons himself and was unaware of many of them: https://patriots.win/p/19AK6Gleuz/fitton-says-ignore-the-pardons-p/c
Thanks for the link. Fitton makes sense.
Hmmm. No pardon for Debbie Birx, who was the ringleader for lockdowns (recall that Fauci did NOT start out that way until she forced the issue.) you prosecute who you can. Birx.
She needs to be put on the legal rack.
Did Jake Sullivan and Tony Blinken make the cut? How about Victoria Nuland? This isn’t a dry hole by any means but I sense a whole lot of “I don’t recall” if any of them are called to testify before congress. Maybe they can join Cecile Richards at the gates of hell.
This entire pardoning process under a president who has dementia must be investigated, with all his pardons (especially for uncharged/currently unknown crimes) being reversed.
Additionally, there is NO reason that a lame-duck president should be allowed to invoke any EOs or pardons AFTER his electoral defeat. None. And not for several months for no good reason, as is allowed now. If an employee in a typical corporation has been fired, he or she is immediately escorted from the building and denied access to all corporate assets including websites and computers. Why is a lame-duck president treated any differently?
Why is anyone surprised? We all knew the treasonous dummy was going to do this. It’s more important than ever to demonstrate the fraudulence of the 2020 election.