I wish it was that simple but itтАЩs not. Our spouses are so brainwashed that they literally make us choose between marriage or else. ItтАЩs that bad now.
Then you need to undo the brainwashing with data and fact. The jabs are not safe for many people. There doesn't seem to be a way to predict who will have a bad outcome. We have no idea what the longterm risks are for health, longevity, or fertility. No one does. And the jabs are failing fast and hard. How many boosters is your wife willing to take to go to a restaurant or a shopping mall? How often? Every six months? Forever?
You said in another comment that you reacted badly to the first shot. Your children and family need you to be healthy. You only have one body and one life.
I recommend you both watch this interview of Dr. Robert Malone. He is the inventor of the mRNA technology. It's behind a paywall, but it's worth the price. Jan Jekielek is a very measured interviewer.
IтАЩm aware. I donтАЩt want anymore shots. Confining my spouse. Is fruitless. Any of the critical doctors mentioned are тАШquacksтАЩ. The cdc and fda make no mistakes and are always right. тАШEye rollтАЩ Even when I show my personal Covid death risk per John Hopkins mortality risk calculator (an abysmal 0.6 in 10 million), I am told тАШyou are misinformedтАЩ. ItтАЩs like discussing with a broken record. He simply refuses and study as non clinically relevant that shows concerns. Unless he personally experiences a severe adverse event he doesnтАЩt believe they happen. I also shockingly realized he takes lots of info for granted from MSM as scientific fact.
Lastly, I caught my spouse lying to me about a person my age supposedly on a vent in our local hospital where he works. I was told completely healthy with no risk factors. I later overheard a phone call with a fellow physician. She was only being observed in the ICU, on oxygen, not vent, and morbidly obese. Why my spouse resorts to fabricating / I suppose as he knows I have a point and it contradicts his dogma. I didnтАЩt confront him on this - no use he would just be angry.
I hope the truth emerges here soon. I feel like I live with a crazy paranoid anti science person frankly.
They ought to require that doctors and healthcare workers, when making the rounds, have to look at 10,000 healthy people between each patient experiencing a negative outcome to an endemic viral infection, so they don't develop such a distorted sense of the risks.
Just remember, you are going to have to get jabbed again and again and again to stay out of the penalty box and every jab increases your risk of bad things occurring. The knowledge this is not about one or two jabs, but 50 convinces me not to give in.
I hear you man. I am in the same boat here in Germany. The govt. created a policy of making it impossible to do indoor dining, bars, clubs, shopping centers without the 3G (Vaccinated, Recovered, tested). They kept the Antigen tests free which was annoying to take but at least. Now, starting 11th Oct, tests will no longer be free. I will have to pick and choose which events are worth for me to spend money on
I did and had an immediate reaction and still neurological issues. IтАЩm young and no risk factors. The spouse didnтАЩt comment. So far hasnтАЩt pressured me for further jabs. Kids stay jab free. If you can hold out longer like I had planned jump on Novavax. mRNA will never touch me again.
I agree that the mRNA jabs (and the viral vector DNA jabs) are not safe, but the Novavax uses the spike protein as well, which a Salk Institute study says can damage the endothelial cells that line all blood and lymph vessels. The spike is the disease. None of them are safe.
I also heard today that there are effective homeopathic treatments available if you know people who are averse to any pharmaceuticals whatsoever (but you'll have to unearth this through your local homeopathic networks).
>>I'm already capitulating and getting the vaccine in a couple weeks (JNJ)
I love how you add in which brand it's going to be because you're already getting yourself warmed up to chat endlessly with your new friends about it.
Don't worry- that feeling of impending doom and despair will go away right after you've had the shot. You'll be on the right side of history, free to dine and socialize and live.
Oh please just STFU troll. I have no interest in chatting with any "friends" about getting the vaccine and as far as I'm concerned anyone who asks me if I'm vaccinated will continue to get the standard reply, none of your fucking business.
eventually, it's very possible everyone will have a choice: you can refrain from injections and basically live out the rest of your life on house arrest (locked out of flying, possibly shopping, probably could still travel domestically if hotels etc are in a vaxed person's name), or get injected and be able to do things that resemble the old 'normal'. I'm in GA. Life hasn't gotten miserable enough to push me to get the shots, but I expect it to get sufficiently miserable eventually. I don't think poorly of someone that gives in to the fascism. I'm very pro-choice on the issue, thus it stinks having the shots forced on me and having to live out the rest of my days fully grasping this slave status. If the shot gave me a heart attack and killed me quickly, I'm not sure I'd care. But the thought of long term damaged health is not very appealing at all.
>>I don't think poorly of someone that gives in to the fascism.
I don't consider them "on my side" either, though. They won't be unemployed, homeless, and sent off to Camp COVID. Maybe they'll raise a fist of solidarity as the unvaccinated are dragged off. Stunning and brave.
Think of them as moving from Jew to righteous gentile status. There are some injected people that actually don't care about the injection status of those around them, etc.
Did the "righteous Gentiles" join their Jewish brothers and sisters in the lines for the trains even though they didn't have to? I go to the same school as the kitten so I may not have learned this stunning moment of brave and principled self-sacrifice from history.
These exchanges are a perfect example of why collectivists become dominant. They all submit to the narrative and march in lock step. We (individualists) all think independently and fight with each other. If we don't come together and coalesce behind a common objective, we're doomed. Let me help. Who is the enemy? Authoritarian collectivists. Who are we? Freedom loving individualists.
GA? Surprises me that either rural red or urban Black would be keen on Covid vaxx mandates. GA is one of the "redish pro-vaxx" states that I would peg as likely for revolt and state government overthrow.
Kemp has been ok, not as strongly anti-fascist as DeSantis. CDC is here, so you have areas around Atlanta that are psychotically pro-cdc. Then when you get a tad further outside the city, there is more sanity and people are not so terrified at all. It seems like the only way to force everyone onto 'the trains' is if credit cards and financial transactions are tied into the vax. Airlines will probably require it, but many people don't fly. Cruises will probably require it, but that's a luxury and most don't cruise. So GA hasn't been as good as FL, but overall it's been better than some other states for sure.
Ok, so not so bad. If Kemp doesn't go for perpetual Pandemic Theatre (I meant to describe only the "government" as being pro-vaxx) than the gov may stay solvent. Other rural states like Louisiana, no. I've only passed through Atlanta to visit family, so I'll never quite understand how it cursed the world with both the CDC and CNN.
I guess Ted Turner 'gifted' us the latter. Not sure how/why cdc is here, whereas it seems like it would be in Langley. And because this bastion of fascist eugenics is here, its members live in all the 'progressive' areas, sit on school 'health and safety' committees. It's partnered with Emory, so between the two, they infest everything.
I will NOT go into any place that requires proof of vaccine. My hubby and I frequently mountain bike on an Army post. We used to use the gym showers after our rides. But now that they are demanding you show your card at the door, we choose to use the restroom sinks for our "bath" following our rides. Principles matter. I will not be flashing this stupid card for anything.
Really because I already sold an apartment in NY and and moved to Florida to get away from covid tyranny so I'm pretty fucking dedicated to doing what I need to do to including getting a job somewhere else or planning a vacation to a place that's sensible.
Chris Martenson says if you have to get a jab take ivermectin the day before, the day of and the day after. Will hopefully counteract the spike protein.
I'm already capitulating and getting the vaccine in a couple weeks (JNJ) but the temptation to want to just walk away from everything is strong.
You have one body and one life. Do not get a vaccine that you don't want for anyone...not even your wife.
I wish it was that simple but itтАЩs not. Our spouses are so brainwashed that they literally make us choose between marriage or else. ItтАЩs that bad now.
Then you need to undo the brainwashing with data and fact. The jabs are not safe for many people. There doesn't seem to be a way to predict who will have a bad outcome. We have no idea what the longterm risks are for health, longevity, or fertility. No one does. And the jabs are failing fast and hard. How many boosters is your wife willing to take to go to a restaurant or a shopping mall? How often? Every six months? Forever?
You said in another comment that you reacted badly to the first shot. Your children and family need you to be healthy. You only have one body and one life.
I recommend you both watch this interview of Dr. Robert Malone. He is the inventor of the mRNA technology. It's behind a paywall, but it's worth the price. Jan Jekielek is a very measured interviewer.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/dr-robert-malone-mrna-vaccine-inventor-on-latest-covid-19-data-booster-shots-and-the-shattered-scientific-consensus_3979206.html
https://www.theepochtimes.com/part-2-dr-robert-malone-on-ivermectin-escape-mutants-and-the-faulty-logic-of-vaccine-mandates_3981859.html
IтАЩm aware. I donтАЩt want anymore shots. Confining my spouse. Is fruitless. Any of the critical doctors mentioned are тАШquacksтАЩ. The cdc and fda make no mistakes and are always right. тАШEye rollтАЩ Even when I show my personal Covid death risk per John Hopkins mortality risk calculator (an abysmal 0.6 in 10 million), I am told тАШyou are misinformedтАЩ. ItтАЩs like discussing with a broken record. He simply refuses and study as non clinically relevant that shows concerns. Unless he personally experiences a severe adverse event he doesnтАЩt believe they happen. I also shockingly realized he takes lots of info for granted from MSM as scientific fact.
Lastly, I caught my spouse lying to me about a person my age supposedly on a vent in our local hospital where he works. I was told completely healthy with no risk factors. I later overheard a phone call with a fellow physician. She was only being observed in the ICU, on oxygen, not vent, and morbidly obese. Why my spouse resorts to fabricating / I suppose as he knows I have a point and it contradicts his dogma. I didnтАЩt confront him on this - no use he would just be angry.
I hope the truth emerges here soon. I feel like I live with a crazy paranoid anti science person frankly.
They ought to require that doctors and healthcare workers, when making the rounds, have to look at 10,000 healthy people between each patient experiencing a negative outcome to an endemic viral infection, so they don't develop such a distorted sense of the risks.
If only it was that simple.
It is that simple.
God save us from "allies" that will suffer no consequences from their "principled stands" because they've got their hall pass.
Just remember, you are going to have to get jabbed again and again and again to stay out of the penalty box and every jab increases your risk of bad things occurring. The knowledge this is not about one or two jabs, but 50 convinces me not to give in.
I hear you man. I am in the same boat here in Germany. The govt. created a policy of making it impossible to do indoor dining, bars, clubs, shopping centers without the 3G (Vaccinated, Recovered, tested). They kept the Antigen tests free which was annoying to take but at least. Now, starting 11th Oct, tests will no longer be free. I will have to pick and choose which events are worth for me to spend money on
I did and had an immediate reaction and still neurological issues. IтАЩm young and no risk factors. The spouse didnтАЩt comment. So far hasnтАЩt pressured me for further jabs. Kids stay jab free. If you can hold out longer like I had planned jump on Novavax. mRNA will never touch me again.
I agree that the mRNA jabs (and the viral vector DNA jabs) are not safe, but the Novavax uses the spike protein as well, which a Salk Institute study says can damage the endothelial cells that line all blood and lymph vessels. The spike is the disease. None of them are safe.
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
I know. It still is not great. The dead virus ones like Valneva would be Best. But I doubt theyтАЩll be available in the USA.
What about prophylactic and early treatment???
www.c19early.com
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/
https://vladimirzelenkomd.com/treatment-protocol/
https://swprs.org/on-the-treatment-of-covid-19/
https://rescue.substack.com/
https://doctors4covidethics.org/
https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/
I also heard today that there are effective homeopathic treatments available if you know people who are averse to any pharmaceuticals whatsoever (but you'll have to unearth this through your local homeopathic networks).
>>I'm already capitulating and getting the vaccine in a couple weeks (JNJ)
I love how you add in which brand it's going to be because you're already getting yourself warmed up to chat endlessly with your new friends about it.
Don't worry- that feeling of impending doom and despair will go away right after you've had the shot. You'll be on the right side of history, free to dine and socialize and live.
Oh please just STFU troll. I have no interest in chatting with any "friends" about getting the vaccine and as far as I'm concerned anyone who asks me if I'm vaccinated will continue to get the standard reply, none of your fucking business.
Until they ask before giving you a job or letting you travel or enter a place of business. I suspect your principled stand will stop at the door.
eventually, it's very possible everyone will have a choice: you can refrain from injections and basically live out the rest of your life on house arrest (locked out of flying, possibly shopping, probably could still travel domestically if hotels etc are in a vaxed person's name), or get injected and be able to do things that resemble the old 'normal'. I'm in GA. Life hasn't gotten miserable enough to push me to get the shots, but I expect it to get sufficiently miserable eventually. I don't think poorly of someone that gives in to the fascism. I'm very pro-choice on the issue, thus it stinks having the shots forced on me and having to live out the rest of my days fully grasping this slave status. If the shot gave me a heart attack and killed me quickly, I'm not sure I'd care. But the thought of long term damaged health is not very appealing at all.
>>I don't think poorly of someone that gives in to the fascism.
I don't consider them "on my side" either, though. They won't be unemployed, homeless, and sent off to Camp COVID. Maybe they'll raise a fist of solidarity as the unvaccinated are dragged off. Stunning and brave.
Think of them as moving from Jew to righteous gentile status. There are some injected people that actually don't care about the injection status of those around them, etc.
Did the "righteous Gentiles" join their Jewish brothers and sisters in the lines for the trains even though they didn't have to? I go to the same school as the kitten so I may not have learned this stunning moment of brave and principled self-sacrifice from history.
a few died for their deeds. But I guess we disagree, I don't think that stopping short of committing suicide makes them bad people.
It doesn't make them bad people.
It doesn't make them good people, either. Or brave, or part of the solution.
It makes them collaborators. The whole "go along to get along" thing in the article we supposedly all just read.
These exchanges are a perfect example of why collectivists become dominant. They all submit to the narrative and march in lock step. We (individualists) all think independently and fight with each other. If we don't come together and coalesce behind a common objective, we're doomed. Let me help. Who is the enemy? Authoritarian collectivists. Who are we? Freedom loving individualists.
GA? Surprises me that either rural red or urban Black would be keen on Covid vaxx mandates. GA is one of the "redish pro-vaxx" states that I would peg as likely for revolt and state government overthrow.
Kemp has been ok, not as strongly anti-fascist as DeSantis. CDC is here, so you have areas around Atlanta that are psychotically pro-cdc. Then when you get a tad further outside the city, there is more sanity and people are not so terrified at all. It seems like the only way to force everyone onto 'the trains' is if credit cards and financial transactions are tied into the vax. Airlines will probably require it, but many people don't fly. Cruises will probably require it, but that's a luxury and most don't cruise. So GA hasn't been as good as FL, but overall it's been better than some other states for sure.
Ok, so not so bad. If Kemp doesn't go for perpetual Pandemic Theatre (I meant to describe only the "government" as being pro-vaxx) than the gov may stay solvent. Other rural states like Louisiana, no. I've only passed through Atlanta to visit family, so I'll never quite understand how it cursed the world with both the CDC and CNN.
I guess Ted Turner 'gifted' us the latter. Not sure how/why cdc is here, whereas it seems like it would be in Langley. And because this bastion of fascist eugenics is here, its members live in all the 'progressive' areas, sit on school 'health and safety' committees. It's partnered with Emory, so between the two, they infest everything.
*then
I will NOT go into any place that requires proof of vaccine. My hubby and I frequently mountain bike on an Army post. We used to use the gym showers after our rides. But now that they are demanding you show your card at the door, we choose to use the restroom sinks for our "bath" following our rides. Principles matter. I will not be flashing this stupid card for anything.
Really because I already sold an apartment in NY and and moved to Florida to get away from covid tyranny so I'm pretty fucking dedicated to doing what I need to do to including getting a job somewhere else or planning a vacation to a place that's sensible.
Deeb 2 min ago:
>> I'm pretty fucking dedicated to doing what I need to do
Deeb 41 min ago:
>> I'm already capitulating and getting the vaccine in a couple weeks (JNJ)
I stand corrected.
Crazy thought here for your teeny tiny brain, but is it possible for one to get the shot AND still take a stand against authoritarian BS covid policy.
You didn't want to get the shot.
Your wife yelled at you and you got the shot.
What happens when the authoritarians yell at you?
Thought so.
If the blood clots in your brain or the Guillain-Barre don't get ya...
Chris Martenson says if you have to get a jab take ivermectin the day before, the day of and the day after. Will hopefully counteract the spike protein.