I'm not going to lie, I feel an overwhelming sense of doom and despair. I feel like the fight is already lost and not a single person around me seems to think there is anything wrong, and even if they do, they just shrug their shoulders and care little of engaging in any sort of resistance to any of this. I feel completely alone. My wife and I are spending some time in NYC shortly and I told her I do not want to support any business enforcing the vax pass. She basically lost it and told me I was crazy, and said that my stance on covid and all of this stuff is destroying our marriage. Part of me wants to just tell everyone to fuck off and just walk away from everything. I just don't know what to do anymore...
I hear you Deeb. Same here with respect to my partner. But I don't feel that the fight is lost. The corporate/govt maniacs rolling this out aren't all that smart. The whole narrative is imploding--that's why they're suddenly getting hysterical. Stay strong. There are a lot of us resisting--even though MSM won't show it.
What I find discouraging is there is no leadership or organizational resistance. anywhere. that I can see. I am hoping the truckers block every road into Washington DC and blue strongholds with a few hundred trucks for a week. Til they run out of latte.
"Forget the sheep. It's time to wake up the lions."
Here in California, one of the worst places in the US, we forced a recall election on our governor w/over 2 million signatures (I collected hundreds myself). If that's not organized resistance, I don't know what is. There are also freedom groups throughout the US, including here in the Bay Area, that get together all the time, strategize, socialize, etc. Ohio AMF is particularly well organized and involved w/legislation and education. Best to find like-minded people in your area and meet in person. The White Rose telegram groups cover many different countries, states, and regional areas.
Thank you for your efforts. I’m a bit scared of what Newsom will do should he end up winning. I’m sure he will pay all of we peasants back for daring to uprise against his highness.
A land of contradictions. You could carve two red states out of Central Valley and Norcal. Not to mention OC/Northern SD, and the wild wests of Long Beach and East Bay / East SD. And despite the monoculture in The Bay and in West LA, a lot of Democrat Party party power in urban CA is of the Appalachian "deplorable," party patronage variety, not the progressive strain. However, CA's hispanic and Asian "party patronage Appalachia" is more secular and pro-authority than the Eastern variety, so it's a big mess.
I am not sure that they Dems have the Latinos in CA any more. They have a much stronger sense of class consciousness than the Asian groups, and they have borne the brunt of the policies the Zoom class has gotten to escape from.
But still culturally pro-authority, and suffused with a bizarre, lopsided germaphobia (super into hand sanitizer and masks; totally indifferent to food safety regimes; meanwhile generally not allergic to dangerous working conditions at all, showing the same hearty risk appetite as a deplorable). I saw outdoor solo masking (including of course of kids) adopted in Baja and San Ysidro well before anywhere else in SoCal last year. Hispanics do *not* want to face this virus without a state/expert umbilical cord.
Sorry to hear that. This craziness is ripping apart through the seams of families, friendships, etc. This will end, but the damage done to (Western) society will be huge.
Maybe you have already shown your wife information from other sources apart from MSM and gov; the issue would be the appeal to authority thing (since the info doesn't from authoritative sources, she could dismiss it). Show her info from Israel, one of the most vaxed countries in the world.
whatever happens, avoid the sense of doom and despair; that's what they want you to feel. I know it's hard, and I perfectly understand. Here where I live, a 3rd world country, gov is implementing vax passes and a significant part of the population and MSM are clapping. However, economically we're headed towards a cliff. Criminality has substantially increased. And I sense we've lost all sovereignty thanks to the contracts with Big Pharma and all the borrowing done from the IMF, world bank, etc. Yet we are fighting back; people are boycotting those vax passes, protests have grown, more are speaking regarding adverse events. Not enough still, but definitely much better than before. Of course, always be prepared for the worst. Stay strong
Do you really think this will go forever? People eventually will recover their senses (although in a sloooow way); how it ends and what happens afterwards, that's another matter.
it goes on until the passports/digital ID/social credit system is in place. Then the nazified 'left' will be told that the variants are under control and they'll stop hating variants just as they stopped hating Trump the instant the msm told them they could stop hating Trump. And at that point the US govt will stop incentivizing the crooked medical establishment to find 'covid' wherever it can.
You explained it better than me (English is not my native language). I see all of this covid crap a means to an end (it stopped being a public health issue a long time ago).
Do you have any evidence WHATSOEVER that it won't? Or that "people eventually recover their senses" in less than a generation?
How long did the Soviet Union last?
The "People's Republic" of China?
This pollyanna "everyone will come to their senses" stuff has been going around for almost two years now. It's nearly as bad as "two weeks to flatten the curve."
In normal times, the perturbations do eventually smooth out. I think many of us spent part of last year expecting the crazy to subside until we realized that it wasn't going to subside.
>> The way you're writing, it looks like you already gave up.
Absolutely incorrect. I'm depressed beyond measure and sad and angry every day. But I have stood by my limits and principles and have never budged once, and never will. I am resigned to fighting a potentially futile battle until the day I die.
>> And you are comparing both the Soviet Union and China to the US?
Also incorrect. I am giving examples of two totalitarian regimes that took generations (or never did) for "people to come to their senses."
>> Gimme a break! A great percentage of the population is against this.
Citation needed.
>> As I said this will end. How? it depends on what we do now...
This could end with an dystopian system in place, it could end with a fragmented country (most of the left are beyond coming to their senses IMHO).
Those aren't "endings." Those are this nightmare continuing. "A dystopian system in place" is what's being done right now.
Please stop putting words in my mouth or assuming intent.
Your notion of "this can't go on forever" basically seems to mean "eventually they will win completely so they don't have to be so intense about all this."
sounds like my marriage. My wife is part of the medical establishment. We argue on it all the time. She got our kids injected even though I advised not to. Fortunately no issues; and their nazified schools basically mandated it. But I think soon a person will not be able to fly (and probably do a lot of other stuff) unless getting regularly injected. It's maddening that so many people (the big city 'elites' that control things) are good with this new nazi state of America.
Have faith- there are many in the aviation industry that are standing up against this. I will walk away as an airline pilot before I’m forced to inject this, and I know I’m not alone.
I know what you mean. Most people (are idiots) just blindly believe and do what they are told. I do not even discuss this topic with most people anymore because it does no good. They just believe what they want to regardless of what facts you present. I sent around an article yesterday talking about how Delta is spreading all over Cornell University even though it is 95% vaccinated and the response I got was how this was proof of a vaccine success because the cases were only mild. I definitely want to tell everyone to f off, but it is not so easy with a young child to support. We will see if I am still employed in a few months.
SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England/Technical briefing 22/September 3, 2021
Public Health England reports that Delta is the dominant variant in the UK. This variant accounted for 99% of sequenced and 98% genotyped cases from July 25 through July 31, 2021 in England (PHE technical briefing 20/August 8 ). PHE has not updated this data since.
PHE last reported the Delta variant Case Fatality Rate (CFR) of ~0.2% - 0.3% in early July (PHE technical briefing 18/July 9). PHE has not updated the CFR since.
PCR cycle threshold (Ct) values from routinely undertaken tests in England show that Ct values (and by inference viral load) are similar between individuals who are unvaccinated and vaccinated.
The fully vaxxed 50+ are less likely to be infected (but they're catching up), less likely to seek care, less likely to be hospitalized...but more of them died.
There were 3.4 times more infections in unvaxxed <50 died and more people died (99 versus 37)...but the CFR was lower (0.0465% vs. 0.0593%).
Clearly, the jabs don't work as advertised.
And here's an admission from the Governor of West Virginia. Turns out, human biology is the same in the US as in the UK and Israel.
Deeb, try an angle like this>>> "Baby, I'm an individualist. This is how I'm wired, and this is the guy you married. It isn't about the vaccine. I know it's likely harmless. This is about individual liberty. This is about personal freedom, for you and me and everyone else. This is about taking a stand. How many American soldiers died on the battlefield in defense of freedom? They gave everything, their entire future, to preserve liberty for people like us. This is the least I can do. I have to do this, in honor of God and country. If this vaccine provided sterilizing immunity and truly protected others, I'd take it. But this clearly isn't about that. It's something else. This isn't about me. This is a war. Authoritarian collectivism vs Individual freedom? I'm a soldier in this battle. I'm not going down without a fight! You don't like it, find someone else." Then pound your chest in defiance.
As a person of the female persuasion, I'm bettin' Deeb's wife will not take kindly to being called "Baby" or to this argument in general.
An appeal to reason based on information and data and facts with a firm "not gonna do it" is the best course. Many people have been broken by the fear mongering. Some may never be able to admit to themselves...let alone others...that they went a little crazy. Some will never recover.
People were told that life would return to normal...that everyone would be safe...if only everyone would get doubled jabbed. All the claims have turned out to be false, and the de facto social contract has been broken. But the media continues the spin. If you aren't actively seeking the data, you probably still believe the narrative.
The jabs don't stop infection or transmission of the Delta variant (the original Wuhan variant is long gone and it ain't coming back). Increasingly, it appears that the jabs don't prevent severe disease. Israel is most of the way through their 3rd jab deployment, and they're already talking about a 4th, 5th, 6th.
These leaky "vaccines" will not...cannot...stop the pandemic. They may prolong it. They may result in the creation of really dangerous variants that evade immunity and threaten all of us...vaxxed or unvaxxed.
The notion that we were going to "vaccinate" everyone in the world was always a joke. It wasn't possible. It isn't possible.
Here is something else important. Scientists Used the Spike Protein for the Vaccines Because it was thought that it was not susceptible to Antibody Dependent Enhancement. Except they were wrong. "The SARS experience taught us a lot of extremely useful lessons, as it turned out. SARS-Cov-2 is rather closely related to the 2003 SARS coronavirus, and if you're going to have a worldwide pandemic, you're far better off with one that's so much like something you've already poured R&D investments into! In this case, the two big take-homes were that coronavirus vaccines could indeed suffer from ADE, and that this seemed to depend on which protein you chose to base your vaccine around. Specifically, it was the vaccines that targeted the N (nucleoprotein) antigen of the coronavirus that had ADE problems, while the ones that targeted the S (Spike) protein did not. Update: this isn't accurate. There was trouble after immunization with a nucleoprotein-directed vaccine, but ADE could also be seen with some of the Spike-directed vaccine candidates as well - see reviews here, here, and here." https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-coronavirus-vaccines
That article is such an incredible artifact of hubris-primed schadenfreude, and the fact that most "science journalism" is no better able to appraise the evidence than a lay person.
Yes, but check out the links to medical journal articles on ADE connected to the spike protein in the article. That is the meat and potatoes of the issue and not the typical spin doctor BS that inhabits science journalism. Thanks.
Yes, I have already looked at all those links while posting a pillory of that article to my sub. What's interesting is how coronavirus vaccine research suddenly slows down after 2015. As if, the interested parties who would fund it were already satisfied with the near certainty of ADE resulting from a vaccine. Hmm...
Here is an example. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC3187504/ "These observations prompted us to investigate the mechanisms underlying antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of SARS-CoV infection in vitro. We demonstrate here that anti-Spike immune serum, while inhibiting viral entry in a permissive cell line, potentiated infection of immune cells by SARS-CoV Spike-pseudotyped lentiviral particles, as well as replication-competent SARS coronavirus."
Before you do something stupid like get a "booster" answer this -- why would you believe the third jab will work when you were told the other two would -- and the people doing so lied? When, in addition, there is evidence that the manufacturers knew this would happen and rigged the trials to conceal it? What data do you have (none!) on whether the risk of serious adverse events rises with each successive injection, if it does by how much (what if it's exponentially worse?) and why would you be so stupid as to believe a single thing these people say after being screwed by the very same people? I remind you: Never in the past has there been a successful vaccine for coronaviruses. All previous attempts have failed during trials, which took years to discover, either by mutational escape or worse, enhancement in those who got the injection(s). Don't throw your life away.
PPS: Note that there is now emerging evidence of ADE, VEI and/or OAS from the vaccines exactly as has occurred with all other attempts to vaccinate against coronaviruses. And no, it doesn't have to be Covid-19 that triggers it either; any other beta coronavirus can plausibly do so. One of them, OC43, circulates in the population and usually causes mild colds. Not this time -- it sent the person who got it to the hospital and nearly killed them. Was the vaccine responsible for that? It might have been and if it got this person it could also get YOU. There are already cases being reported in the US where the person is vaccinated, presents to the ER with what looks like severe Covid-19 but repeatedly tests negative. Here it comes folks....
* VEI - Vaccine-enhanced infection. Encompasses ADE from vaccines and OAS, along with other related mechanisms such as destruction of existing B-cell recognition. ADE is a very-specific term and may not be the mechanism by which this is occurring; that has not been determined.
Then you need to undo the brainwashing with data and fact. The jabs are not safe for many people. There doesn't seem to be a way to predict who will have a bad outcome. We have no idea what the longterm risks are for health, longevity, or fertility. No one does. And the jabs are failing fast and hard. How many boosters is your wife willing to take to go to a restaurant or a shopping mall? How often? Every six months? Forever?
You said in another comment that you reacted badly to the first shot. Your children and family need you to be healthy. You only have one body and one life.
I recommend you both watch this interview of Dr. Robert Malone. He is the inventor of the mRNA technology. It's behind a paywall, but it's worth the price. Jan Jekielek is a very measured interviewer.
I’m aware. I don’t want anymore shots. Confining my spouse. Is fruitless. Any of the critical doctors mentioned are ‘quacks’. The cdc and fda make no mistakes and are always right. ‘Eye roll’ Even when I show my personal Covid death risk per John Hopkins mortality risk calculator (an abysmal 0.6 in 10 million), I am told ‘you are misinformed’. It’s like discussing with a broken record. He simply refuses and study as non clinically relevant that shows concerns. Unless he personally experiences a severe adverse event he doesn’t believe they happen. I also shockingly realized he takes lots of info for granted from MSM as scientific fact.
Lastly, I caught my spouse lying to me about a person my age supposedly on a vent in our local hospital where he works. I was told completely healthy with no risk factors. I later overheard a phone call with a fellow physician. She was only being observed in the ICU, on oxygen, not vent, and morbidly obese. Why my spouse resorts to fabricating / I suppose as he knows I have a point and it contradicts his dogma. I didn’t confront him on this - no use he would just be angry.
I hope the truth emerges here soon. I feel like I live with a crazy paranoid anti science person frankly.
Just remember, you are going to have to get jabbed again and again and again to stay out of the penalty box and every jab increases your risk of bad things occurring. The knowledge this is not about one or two jabs, but 50 convinces me not to give in.
I hear you man. I am in the same boat here in Germany. The govt. created a policy of making it impossible to do indoor dining, bars, clubs, shopping centers without the 3G (Vaccinated, Recovered, tested). They kept the Antigen tests free which was annoying to take but at least. Now, starting 11th Oct, tests will no longer be free. I will have to pick and choose which events are worth for me to spend money on
I did and had an immediate reaction and still neurological issues. I’m young and no risk factors. The spouse didn’t comment. So far hasn’t pressured me for further jabs. Kids stay jab free. If you can hold out longer like I had planned jump on Novavax. mRNA will never touch me again.
I agree that the mRNA jabs (and the viral vector DNA jabs) are not safe, but the Novavax uses the spike protein as well, which a Salk Institute study says can damage the endothelial cells that line all blood and lymph vessels. The spike is the disease. None of them are safe.
I also heard today that there are effective homeopathic treatments available if you know people who are averse to any pharmaceuticals whatsoever (but you'll have to unearth this through your local homeopathic networks).
>>I'm already capitulating and getting the vaccine in a couple weeks (JNJ)
I love how you add in which brand it's going to be because you're already getting yourself warmed up to chat endlessly with your new friends about it.
Don't worry- that feeling of impending doom and despair will go away right after you've had the shot. You'll be on the right side of history, free to dine and socialize and live.
Oh please just STFU troll. I have no interest in chatting with any "friends" about getting the vaccine and as far as I'm concerned anyone who asks me if I'm vaccinated will continue to get the standard reply, none of your fucking business.
eventually, it's very possible everyone will have a choice: you can refrain from injections and basically live out the rest of your life on house arrest (locked out of flying, possibly shopping, probably could still travel domestically if hotels etc are in a vaxed person's name), or get injected and be able to do things that resemble the old 'normal'. I'm in GA. Life hasn't gotten miserable enough to push me to get the shots, but I expect it to get sufficiently miserable eventually. I don't think poorly of someone that gives in to the fascism. I'm very pro-choice on the issue, thus it stinks having the shots forced on me and having to live out the rest of my days fully grasping this slave status. If the shot gave me a heart attack and killed me quickly, I'm not sure I'd care. But the thought of long term damaged health is not very appealing at all.
I will NOT go into any place that requires proof of vaccine. My hubby and I frequently mountain bike on an Army post. We used to use the gym showers after our rides. But now that they are demanding you show your card at the door, we choose to use the restroom sinks for our "bath" following our rides. Principles matter. I will not be flashing this stupid card for anything.
Really because I already sold an apartment in NY and and moved to Florida to get away from covid tyranny so I'm pretty fucking dedicated to doing what I need to do to including getting a job somewhere else or planning a vacation to a place that's sensible.
Chris Martenson says if you have to get a jab take ivermectin the day before, the day of and the day after. Will hopefully counteract the spike protein.
Yes - you are, by the definition of people who have taken an experimental medical intervention that will plausibly chop decades off of their lives, "crazy" for behaving as if that reality is even possible. The only recourse is to embrace your inner Dr SARSlove, and love the bomb (not by taking it, but by watching it blow up the world with something like mirth).
there is no safety data that addresses casualties associated with corona spike proteins that take years to present.
the death rate in florida is "troubling", it has average or above vaccinated high risk people and it dead are more now than since the faux panic commenced.
someone used the 4 letter word "ade" on twitter, and no one knows how that prevails.
zero covid until the end of the world.
another us lock down with big individual pay outs will accelerate the end of the free world.
Today there were more rumblings about how more evidence came out to show that Fauci lied about gain of function. I wonder if this latest announcement about more announcements is meant to distract people from that other announcement.
There are too many government announcements these days. My head hurts.
Can we take comfort these efforts will probably end up like Obama's "shovel ready" projects, or the "public private" deals made by the UK Labour government in the late 90s? Ie; a huge waste of money by either severely corrupt or incompetent contractors?
Gavin Newsom let slip something in a press conference a few weeks ago, that in the coming weeks and months some new changes were coming that would “extinguish this virus once and for all.”. He must have been referring to these policy discussions in the white house. Talk about tilting at windmills! One thing that is clear hear is that this white house is completely owned by mad zealots who are clearly not poll driven. They will pursue their mad agenda to the very end, believing as they do that whatever they hear on MSNBC is the best reflection of reality … which is odd since they tell MSNBC what to report. Of course, this is being coordinated at a Supranational level — so the white house is just toeing the line we see elsewhere.
So, we have many many more months and possibly years of madness to endure. Resist indeed. But people will, in the US the states will … something like Vaclav Havel's parallel society will emerge, one for the normies who follow every tittle and spit proclamation that comes from the lunatics they see kn TV, and one where people get on with pursuing dignified lives. States rights activists will rise, and we may see a return to a less relevant federal state in the long run… in the end, we will be less centralized, more local and regional, and more politically and socially diverse. Which is a good thing … It will happen … it is already happening at this point.
The coastal media is our elected representatives' handler. The only question is... who handles the handler. Who is the Handler of Handlers, the handlerhandler...
Yes, the Federal system will return to federal, if not be outright dissolved. The only question is whether the force of repulsion ("civil rights investigation" intrusions) will grow faster than the withering of the force of attraction (the dollar-printing machine).
Proposal: graph Sweden's obesity rates alongside its excess mortality during 20/21. Contrast with the US and observe the much tighter correlation between those two figures than between excess mortality and stringency of NPIs.
One assertion is that the countries with the most severe policies just so happen to correlate with the the countries with the most severe depopulation predictions on Deagle. thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=211746
Sweden had (and still do) many restrictions unlike what most people think. They also still have pretty tough travel restrictions. It's closed for non-essential travel (and you still need to have proof of vaccination and a negative test) for non-residents.
Just because you don't mandate measures it doesn't mean that people won't adjust their behavior. In Sweden people have high degree of trust in their government and they follow
recommendations. Government recommendations may be more effective than mandates
and use of coercion.
The threat of mandatory vaccination to keep a job and to fly is a pretty big hammer
that the US government has.
In many European countries that now have vaccine passports and nominally very tough
rules, it turns out that most of the businesses (and even border crossings) understandably
What on earth?? I was all ready to be the lone response here on a semi-quiet hump day, thanking gato for the emboldening pep talk. I was eager to say I’m all in after prevailing in the late-night lecturing of arrogant female “real” doctors on Nextdoor who were bully-talking on the jabs. Truth is that the medical community has been groomed into compliance for decades by the pharmaceutical industry. Now we can see them for the useful idiots they’ve become. Add to that the politicization of medicine and those white coats need a bleaching!
I believe we are winning. We must allow them to take no ground, even in the toxic playground of culturally Marxist Nextdoorland. We embolden others by standing our ground.
Do it today, even in a small way. Kindly but firmly.
I'm not going to lie, I feel an overwhelming sense of doom and despair. I feel like the fight is already lost and not a single person around me seems to think there is anything wrong, and even if they do, they just shrug their shoulders and care little of engaging in any sort of resistance to any of this. I feel completely alone. My wife and I are spending some time in NYC shortly and I told her I do not want to support any business enforcing the vax pass. She basically lost it and told me I was crazy, and said that my stance on covid and all of this stuff is destroying our marriage. Part of me wants to just tell everyone to fuck off and just walk away from everything. I just don't know what to do anymore...
I hear you Deeb. Same here with respect to my partner. But I don't feel that the fight is lost. The corporate/govt maniacs rolling this out aren't all that smart. The whole narrative is imploding--that's why they're suddenly getting hysterical. Stay strong. There are a lot of us resisting--even though MSM won't show it.
What I find discouraging is there is no leadership or organizational resistance. anywhere. that I can see. I am hoping the truckers block every road into Washington DC and blue strongholds with a few hundred trucks for a week. Til they run out of latte.
"Forget the sheep. It's time to wake up the lions."
Here in California, one of the worst places in the US, we forced a recall election on our governor w/over 2 million signatures (I collected hundreds myself). If that's not organized resistance, I don't know what is. There are also freedom groups throughout the US, including here in the Bay Area, that get together all the time, strategize, socialize, etc. Ohio AMF is particularly well organized and involved w/legislation and education. Best to find like-minded people in your area and meet in person. The White Rose telegram groups cover many different countries, states, and regional areas.
Thank you for your efforts. I’m a bit scared of what Newsom will do should he end up winning. I’m sure he will pay all of we peasants back for daring to uprise against his highness.
Sadly, if he wins next week, expect forms of collective punishment. Stay strong, be patient, we will prevail.
A land of contradictions. You could carve two red states out of Central Valley and Norcal. Not to mention OC/Northern SD, and the wild wests of Long Beach and East Bay / East SD. And despite the monoculture in The Bay and in West LA, a lot of Democrat Party party power in urban CA is of the Appalachian "deplorable," party patronage variety, not the progressive strain. However, CA's hispanic and Asian "party patronage Appalachia" is more secular and pro-authority than the Eastern variety, so it's a big mess.
I am not sure that they Dems have the Latinos in CA any more. They have a much stronger sense of class consciousness than the Asian groups, and they have borne the brunt of the policies the Zoom class has gotten to escape from.
But still culturally pro-authority, and suffused with a bizarre, lopsided germaphobia (super into hand sanitizer and masks; totally indifferent to food safety regimes; meanwhile generally not allergic to dangerous working conditions at all, showing the same hearty risk appetite as a deplorable). I saw outdoor solo masking (including of course of kids) adopted in Baja and San Ysidro well before anywhere else in SoCal last year. Hispanics do *not* want to face this virus without a state/expert umbilical cord.
Sorry to hear that. This craziness is ripping apart through the seams of families, friendships, etc. This will end, but the damage done to (Western) society will be huge.
Maybe you have already shown your wife information from other sources apart from MSM and gov; the issue would be the appeal to authority thing (since the info doesn't from authoritative sources, she could dismiss it). Show her info from Israel, one of the most vaxed countries in the world.
whatever happens, avoid the sense of doom and despair; that's what they want you to feel. I know it's hard, and I perfectly understand. Here where I live, a 3rd world country, gov is implementing vax passes and a significant part of the population and MSM are clapping. However, economically we're headed towards a cliff. Criminality has substantially increased. And I sense we've lost all sovereignty thanks to the contracts with Big Pharma and all the borrowing done from the IMF, world bank, etc. Yet we are fighting back; people are boycotting those vax passes, protests have grown, more are speaking regarding adverse events. Not enough still, but definitely much better than before. Of course, always be prepared for the worst. Stay strong
>> This will end
Citation needed.
Do you really think this will go forever? People eventually will recover their senses (although in a sloooow way); how it ends and what happens afterwards, that's another matter.
it goes on until the passports/digital ID/social credit system is in place. Then the nazified 'left' will be told that the variants are under control and they'll stop hating variants just as they stopped hating Trump the instant the msm told them they could stop hating Trump. And at that point the US govt will stop incentivizing the crooked medical establishment to find 'covid' wherever it can.
You explained it better than me (English is not my native language). I see all of this covid crap a means to an end (it stopped being a public health issue a long time ago).
And the social credit system never goes away...
And we're all already in the record, so if/when it comes to pass, the things we've said here and elsewhere have basically already ended us.
Hence, "it goes on forever."
correct
>> Do you really think this will go forever?
Do you have any evidence WHATSOEVER that it won't? Or that "people eventually recover their senses" in less than a generation?
How long did the Soviet Union last?
The "People's Republic" of China?
This pollyanna "everyone will come to their senses" stuff has been going around for almost two years now. It's nearly as bad as "two weeks to flatten the curve."
WHAT'S STOPPING IT?
it does not stop itself.
it does not burn out.
you cannot go along to get along until it's over.
it has to BE stopped.
people have to stop it.
and that takes hard choices and real action.
it takes a willingness to endure pain and to stand firm.
nothing about stopping this is automatic.
we need to do it.
apathy and hope the monster will go away if we pull the blanket back over our heads is why we're in the mess we're already in.
it won't get us out.
In normal times, the perturbations do eventually smooth out. I think many of us spent part of last year expecting the crazy to subside until we realized that it wasn't going to subside.
We're not in normal times.
You can count on me, for what it's worth.
>> Or that "people eventually recover their senses" in less than a generation?
This is what's keeping me up at night.
These stories always eventually involve men with guns.
Literally every time.
Let that part keep you up.
The way you're writing, it looks like you already gave up. Such the optimistic one.
And you are comparing both the Soviet Union and China to the US? Gimme a break! A great percentage of the population is against this.
the time to stand is now. As I said this will end. How? it depends on what we do now...
This could end with an dystopian system in place, it could end with a fragmented country (most of the left are beyond coming to their senses IMHO).
>> The way you're writing, it looks like you already gave up.
Absolutely incorrect. I'm depressed beyond measure and sad and angry every day. But I have stood by my limits and principles and have never budged once, and never will. I am resigned to fighting a potentially futile battle until the day I die.
>> And you are comparing both the Soviet Union and China to the US?
Also incorrect. I am giving examples of two totalitarian regimes that took generations (or never did) for "people to come to their senses."
>> Gimme a break! A great percentage of the population is against this.
Citation needed.
>> As I said this will end. How? it depends on what we do now...
This could end with an dystopian system in place, it could end with a fragmented country (most of the left are beyond coming to their senses IMHO).
Those aren't "endings." Those are this nightmare continuing. "A dystopian system in place" is what's being done right now.
Please stop putting words in my mouth or assuming intent.
I fear how long it will take to go away (years? decades?) and what will happen in the interim.
In the interim, it might not be pretty. Specially as gov and their lackeys seems to be getting desperate.
Your notion of "this can't go on forever" basically seems to mean "eventually they will win completely so they don't have to be so intense about all this."
That's going on forever.
sounds like my marriage. My wife is part of the medical establishment. We argue on it all the time. She got our kids injected even though I advised not to. Fortunately no issues; and their nazified schools basically mandated it. But I think soon a person will not be able to fly (and probably do a lot of other stuff) unless getting regularly injected. It's maddening that so many people (the big city 'elites' that control things) are good with this new nazi state of America.
Have faith- there are many in the aviation industry that are standing up against this. I will walk away as an airline pilot before I’m forced to inject this, and I know I’m not alone.
I know what you mean. Most people (are idiots) just blindly believe and do what they are told. I do not even discuss this topic with most people anymore because it does no good. They just believe what they want to regardless of what facts you present. I sent around an article yesterday talking about how Delta is spreading all over Cornell University even though it is 95% vaccinated and the response I got was how this was proof of a vaccine success because the cases were only mild. I definitely want to tell everyone to f off, but it is not so easy with a young child to support. We will see if I am still employed in a few months.
The cases were mild because they students are young and healthy.
Which was exactly me reply.
SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England/Technical briefing 22/September 3, 2021
Public Health England reports that Delta is the dominant variant in the UK. This variant accounted for 99% of sequenced and 98% genotyped cases from July 25 through July 31, 2021 in England (PHE technical briefing 20/August 8 ). PHE has not updated this data since.
PHE last reported the Delta variant Case Fatality Rate (CFR) of ~0.2% - 0.3% in early July (PHE technical briefing 18/July 9). PHE has not updated the CFR since.
PCR cycle threshold (Ct) values from routinely undertaken tests in England show that Ct values (and by inference viral load) are similar between individuals who are unvaccinated and vaccinated.
Delta in England as of 8/29/2021...
Unvaxxed: 219,716 cases/536 deaths/0.2440%
Unvaxxed <50: 212,989 cases/99 deaths/0.0465%
Unvaxxed 50+: 6,724 cases/437 deaths/6.499%
Fully Vaxxed: 113,823 cases/1,091 deaths/0.9585%
Fully Vaxxed <50: 62,403 cases/37 deaths/0.0593%
Fully Vaxxed 50+: 51,420 cases/1,054 deaths/2.450%
=========================================
Delta in England as of 8/15/2021...
Unvaxxed: 183,133 cases/390 deaths/0.2130%
Unvaxxed <50: 178,240 cases/72 deaths/0.0404%
Unvaxxed 50+: 4,891 cases/318 deaths/6.502%
Fully Vaxxed: 73,372 cases/679 deaths/0.9254%
Fully Vaxxed <50: 40,544 cases/27 deaths/0.0666%
Fully Vaxxed 50+: 32,828 cases/652 deaths/1.986%
==========================================
50,119 Unlinked Infections
108,870 Partially Vaxxed Infections
113,823 Fully Vaxxed Infections
219,716 Unvaxxed Infections
Partially/Fully Vaxxed infections have surpassed Unvaxxed infections.
1.9 times more infections in Unvaxxed versus Fully Vaxxed.
(2.5 times more infections in Unvaxxed versus Fully Vaxxed as of August 15)
(3.2 times more infections in Unvaxxed versus Fully Vaxxed as of August 8)
~60.7% of deaths were in fully vaxxed.
~64.1% of deaths were in fully vaxxed 50+.
~68.6% of deaths were in fully/partially vaxxed.
555 more deaths of fully vaxxed than unvaxxed.
617 more deaths of fully vaxxed than unvaxxed in 50+ cohort.
697 more deaths of fully/partially vaxxed than unvaxxed.
745 more deaths of fully/partially vaxxed than unvaxxed in 50+ cohort.
We don’t have the prior health status of those who died in any of the cohorts.
We don’t know the breakdown of “vaccines” taken by the vaxxed.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1014926/Technical_Briefing_22_21_09_02.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012401/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001358/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_18.pdf
According to PHE data...
The fully vaxxed 50+ are less likely to be infected (but they're catching up), less likely to seek care, less likely to be hospitalized...but more of them died.
There were 3.4 times more infections in unvaxxed <50 died and more people died (99 versus 37)...but the CFR was lower (0.0465% vs. 0.0593%).
Clearly, the jabs don't work as advertised.
And here's an admission from the Governor of West Virginia. Turns out, human biology is the same in the US as in the UK and Israel.
https://twitter.com/ConspiracyCen/status/1434968479602462733
Thank you!
keep your wits about you, your Creator made you for a purpose and he loves you...
Deeb, try an angle like this>>> "Baby, I'm an individualist. This is how I'm wired, and this is the guy you married. It isn't about the vaccine. I know it's likely harmless. This is about individual liberty. This is about personal freedom, for you and me and everyone else. This is about taking a stand. How many American soldiers died on the battlefield in defense of freedom? They gave everything, their entire future, to preserve liberty for people like us. This is the least I can do. I have to do this, in honor of God and country. If this vaccine provided sterilizing immunity and truly protected others, I'd take it. But this clearly isn't about that. It's something else. This isn't about me. This is a war. Authoritarian collectivism vs Individual freedom? I'm a soldier in this battle. I'm not going down without a fight! You don't like it, find someone else." Then pound your chest in defiance.
As a person of the female persuasion, I'm bettin' Deeb's wife will not take kindly to being called "Baby" or to this argument in general.
An appeal to reason based on information and data and facts with a firm "not gonna do it" is the best course. Many people have been broken by the fear mongering. Some may never be able to admit to themselves...let alone others...that they went a little crazy. Some will never recover.
People were told that life would return to normal...that everyone would be safe...if only everyone would get doubled jabbed. All the claims have turned out to be false, and the de facto social contract has been broken. But the media continues the spin. If you aren't actively seeking the data, you probably still believe the narrative.
The jabs don't stop infection or transmission of the Delta variant (the original Wuhan variant is long gone and it ain't coming back). Increasingly, it appears that the jabs don't prevent severe disease. Israel is most of the way through their 3rd jab deployment, and they're already talking about a 4th, 5th, 6th.
These leaky "vaccines" will not...cannot...stop the pandemic. They may prolong it. They may result in the creation of really dangerous variants that evade immunity and threaten all of us...vaxxed or unvaxxed.
The notion that we were going to "vaccinate" everyone in the world was always a joke. It wasn't possible. It isn't possible.
When does this end?
How does this end?
Does the virus justify this reaction?
Reason, information, facts, and data.
Thanks. Your point is well taken. Spoken like a true, independent minded individualist. :)
Also be standing by a fan while you do it (does not work if bald like me).
Here is something else important. Scientists Used the Spike Protein for the Vaccines Because it was thought that it was not susceptible to Antibody Dependent Enhancement. Except they were wrong. "The SARS experience taught us a lot of extremely useful lessons, as it turned out. SARS-Cov-2 is rather closely related to the 2003 SARS coronavirus, and if you're going to have a worldwide pandemic, you're far better off with one that's so much like something you've already poured R&D investments into! In this case, the two big take-homes were that coronavirus vaccines could indeed suffer from ADE, and that this seemed to depend on which protein you chose to base your vaccine around. Specifically, it was the vaccines that targeted the N (nucleoprotein) antigen of the coronavirus that had ADE problems, while the ones that targeted the S (Spike) protein did not. Update: this isn't accurate. There was trouble after immunization with a nucleoprotein-directed vaccine, but ADE could also be seen with some of the Spike-directed vaccine candidates as well - see reviews here, here, and here." https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-coronavirus-vaccines
That article is such an incredible artifact of hubris-primed schadenfreude, and the fact that most "science journalism" is no better able to appraise the evidence than a lay person.
Yes, but check out the links to medical journal articles on ADE connected to the spike protein in the article. That is the meat and potatoes of the issue and not the typical spin doctor BS that inhabits science journalism. Thanks.
Yes, I have already looked at all those links while posting a pillory of that article to my sub. What's interesting is how coronavirus vaccine research suddenly slows down after 2015. As if, the interested parties who would fund it were already satisfied with the near certainty of ADE resulting from a vaccine. Hmm...
Here is an example. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC3187504/ "These observations prompted us to investigate the mechanisms underlying antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of SARS-CoV infection in vitro. We demonstrate here that anti-Spike immune serum, while inhibiting viral entry in a permissive cell line, potentiated infection of immune cells by SARS-CoV Spike-pseudotyped lentiviral particles, as well as replication-competent SARS coronavirus."
Read this. The Lie Of 'All Unvaccinated https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243513
Before you do something stupid like get a "booster" answer this -- why would you believe the third jab will work when you were told the other two would -- and the people doing so lied? When, in addition, there is evidence that the manufacturers knew this would happen and rigged the trials to conceal it? What data do you have (none!) on whether the risk of serious adverse events rises with each successive injection, if it does by how much (what if it's exponentially worse?) and why would you be so stupid as to believe a single thing these people say after being screwed by the very same people? I remind you: Never in the past has there been a successful vaccine for coronaviruses. All previous attempts have failed during trials, which took years to discover, either by mutational escape or worse, enhancement in those who got the injection(s). Don't throw your life away.
PPS: Note that there is now emerging evidence of ADE, VEI and/or OAS from the vaccines exactly as has occurred with all other attempts to vaccinate against coronaviruses. And no, it doesn't have to be Covid-19 that triggers it either; any other beta coronavirus can plausibly do so. One of them, OC43, circulates in the population and usually causes mild colds. Not this time -- it sent the person who got it to the hospital and nearly killed them. Was the vaccine responsible for that? It might have been and if it got this person it could also get YOU. There are already cases being reported in the US where the person is vaccinated, presents to the ER with what looks like severe Covid-19 but repeatedly tests negative. Here it comes folks....
* VEI - Vaccine-enhanced infection. Encompasses ADE from vaccines and OAS, along with other related mechanisms such as destruction of existing B-cell recognition. ADE is a very-specific term and may not be the mechanism by which this is occurring; that has not been determined.
Stick to your guns but don't destroy your marriage over it!
I'm already capitulating and getting the vaccine in a couple weeks (JNJ) but the temptation to want to just walk away from everything is strong.
You have one body and one life. Do not get a vaccine that you don't want for anyone...not even your wife.
I wish it was that simple but it’s not. Our spouses are so brainwashed that they literally make us choose between marriage or else. It’s that bad now.
Then you need to undo the brainwashing with data and fact. The jabs are not safe for many people. There doesn't seem to be a way to predict who will have a bad outcome. We have no idea what the longterm risks are for health, longevity, or fertility. No one does. And the jabs are failing fast and hard. How many boosters is your wife willing to take to go to a restaurant or a shopping mall? How often? Every six months? Forever?
You said in another comment that you reacted badly to the first shot. Your children and family need you to be healthy. You only have one body and one life.
I recommend you both watch this interview of Dr. Robert Malone. He is the inventor of the mRNA technology. It's behind a paywall, but it's worth the price. Jan Jekielek is a very measured interviewer.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/dr-robert-malone-mrna-vaccine-inventor-on-latest-covid-19-data-booster-shots-and-the-shattered-scientific-consensus_3979206.html
https://www.theepochtimes.com/part-2-dr-robert-malone-on-ivermectin-escape-mutants-and-the-faulty-logic-of-vaccine-mandates_3981859.html
I’m aware. I don’t want anymore shots. Confining my spouse. Is fruitless. Any of the critical doctors mentioned are ‘quacks’. The cdc and fda make no mistakes and are always right. ‘Eye roll’ Even when I show my personal Covid death risk per John Hopkins mortality risk calculator (an abysmal 0.6 in 10 million), I am told ‘you are misinformed’. It’s like discussing with a broken record. He simply refuses and study as non clinically relevant that shows concerns. Unless he personally experiences a severe adverse event he doesn’t believe they happen. I also shockingly realized he takes lots of info for granted from MSM as scientific fact.
Lastly, I caught my spouse lying to me about a person my age supposedly on a vent in our local hospital where he works. I was told completely healthy with no risk factors. I later overheard a phone call with a fellow physician. She was only being observed in the ICU, on oxygen, not vent, and morbidly obese. Why my spouse resorts to fabricating / I suppose as he knows I have a point and it contradicts his dogma. I didn’t confront him on this - no use he would just be angry.
I hope the truth emerges here soon. I feel like I live with a crazy paranoid anti science person frankly.
If only it was that simple.
It is that simple.
God save us from "allies" that will suffer no consequences from their "principled stands" because they've got their hall pass.
Just remember, you are going to have to get jabbed again and again and again to stay out of the penalty box and every jab increases your risk of bad things occurring. The knowledge this is not about one or two jabs, but 50 convinces me not to give in.
I hear you man. I am in the same boat here in Germany. The govt. created a policy of making it impossible to do indoor dining, bars, clubs, shopping centers without the 3G (Vaccinated, Recovered, tested). They kept the Antigen tests free which was annoying to take but at least. Now, starting 11th Oct, tests will no longer be free. I will have to pick and choose which events are worth for me to spend money on
I did and had an immediate reaction and still neurological issues. I’m young and no risk factors. The spouse didn’t comment. So far hasn’t pressured me for further jabs. Kids stay jab free. If you can hold out longer like I had planned jump on Novavax. mRNA will never touch me again.
I agree that the mRNA jabs (and the viral vector DNA jabs) are not safe, but the Novavax uses the spike protein as well, which a Salk Institute study says can damage the endothelial cells that line all blood and lymph vessels. The spike is the disease. None of them are safe.
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
I know. It still is not great. The dead virus ones like Valneva would be Best. But I doubt they’ll be available in the USA.
What about prophylactic and early treatment???
www.c19early.com
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/
https://vladimirzelenkomd.com/treatment-protocol/
https://swprs.org/on-the-treatment-of-covid-19/
https://rescue.substack.com/
https://doctors4covidethics.org/
https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/
I also heard today that there are effective homeopathic treatments available if you know people who are averse to any pharmaceuticals whatsoever (but you'll have to unearth this through your local homeopathic networks).
>>I'm already capitulating and getting the vaccine in a couple weeks (JNJ)
I love how you add in which brand it's going to be because you're already getting yourself warmed up to chat endlessly with your new friends about it.
Don't worry- that feeling of impending doom and despair will go away right after you've had the shot. You'll be on the right side of history, free to dine and socialize and live.
Oh please just STFU troll. I have no interest in chatting with any "friends" about getting the vaccine and as far as I'm concerned anyone who asks me if I'm vaccinated will continue to get the standard reply, none of your fucking business.
Until they ask before giving you a job or letting you travel or enter a place of business. I suspect your principled stand will stop at the door.
eventually, it's very possible everyone will have a choice: you can refrain from injections and basically live out the rest of your life on house arrest (locked out of flying, possibly shopping, probably could still travel domestically if hotels etc are in a vaxed person's name), or get injected and be able to do things that resemble the old 'normal'. I'm in GA. Life hasn't gotten miserable enough to push me to get the shots, but I expect it to get sufficiently miserable eventually. I don't think poorly of someone that gives in to the fascism. I'm very pro-choice on the issue, thus it stinks having the shots forced on me and having to live out the rest of my days fully grasping this slave status. If the shot gave me a heart attack and killed me quickly, I'm not sure I'd care. But the thought of long term damaged health is not very appealing at all.
I will NOT go into any place that requires proof of vaccine. My hubby and I frequently mountain bike on an Army post. We used to use the gym showers after our rides. But now that they are demanding you show your card at the door, we choose to use the restroom sinks for our "bath" following our rides. Principles matter. I will not be flashing this stupid card for anything.
Really because I already sold an apartment in NY and and moved to Florida to get away from covid tyranny so I'm pretty fucking dedicated to doing what I need to do to including getting a job somewhere else or planning a vacation to a place that's sensible.
If the blood clots in your brain or the Guillain-Barre don't get ya...
Chris Martenson says if you have to get a jab take ivermectin the day before, the day of and the day after. Will hopefully counteract the spike protein.
You are not alone. This ‘plan’ will be a blow. But - perhaps it will galvanize the resistance.
Yes - you are, by the definition of people who have taken an experimental medical intervention that will plausibly chop decades off of their lives, "crazy" for behaving as if that reality is even possible. The only recourse is to embrace your inner Dr SARSlove, and love the bomb (not by taking it, but by watching it blow up the world with something like mirth).
Hard not to feel this way. This is insanity. Vaccines have had not net positive effect. Let's all move to Sweden.
Sweden is implementing the vax pass as well. It's part of the EU-wide vaccine pass scheme. No place is safe.
We are safer in the US despite the ‘Feckless, Dementia-Ridden Piece Of Crap’ who occupies the Oval.
“Public-private partnership” = Fascism
i will not do the booster.
there is no safety data that addresses casualties associated with corona spike proteins that take years to present.
the death rate in florida is "troubling", it has average or above vaccinated high risk people and it dead are more now than since the faux panic commenced.
someone used the 4 letter word "ade" on twitter, and no one knows how that prevails.
zero covid until the end of the world.
another us lock down with big individual pay outs will accelerate the end of the free world.
the panic is the feature not the bug!
do not comply!
I can expect they will mention all kinds of nonsense; but nothing regarding prophylactics and treatments, much less natural immunity.
Today there were more rumblings about how more evidence came out to show that Fauci lied about gain of function. I wonder if this latest announcement about more announcements is meant to distract people from that other announcement.
There are too many government announcements these days. My head hurts.
Can we take comfort these efforts will probably end up like Obama's "shovel ready" projects, or the "public private" deals made by the UK Labour government in the late 90s? Ie; a huge waste of money by either severely corrupt or incompetent contractors?
"Shovel ready," coincidentally, will probably be how police in Australia refer to the unvaccinated any day now.
If we're lucky it's ONLY a huge transfer of wealth.
I'm sure that 6-pronged approach will go as smoothly as the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
We've got a head start on the burqas this time.
Gavin Newsom let slip something in a press conference a few weeks ago, that in the coming weeks and months some new changes were coming that would “extinguish this virus once and for all.”. He must have been referring to these policy discussions in the white house. Talk about tilting at windmills! One thing that is clear hear is that this white house is completely owned by mad zealots who are clearly not poll driven. They will pursue their mad agenda to the very end, believing as they do that whatever they hear on MSNBC is the best reflection of reality … which is odd since they tell MSNBC what to report. Of course, this is being coordinated at a Supranational level — so the white house is just toeing the line we see elsewhere.
So, we have many many more months and possibly years of madness to endure. Resist indeed. But people will, in the US the states will … something like Vaclav Havel's parallel society will emerge, one for the normies who follow every tittle and spit proclamation that comes from the lunatics they see kn TV, and one where people get on with pursuing dignified lives. States rights activists will rise, and we may see a return to a less relevant federal state in the long run… in the end, we will be less centralized, more local and regional, and more politically and socially diverse. Which is a good thing … It will happen … it is already happening at this point.
slavin made a similar slip about wait 3 weeks when referring to vaxxpass
The coastal media is our elected representatives' handler. The only question is... who handles the handler. Who is the Handler of Handlers, the handlerhandler...
Yes, the Federal system will return to federal, if not be outright dissolved. The only question is whether the force of repulsion ("civil rights investigation" intrusions) will grow faster than the withering of the force of attraction (the dollar-printing machine).
We need some "Irish Democracy now." Perhaps the State of California will show the way on September 14th.
Just the atomic bomb of bad news I needed to not give a shit about doing anything productive for the rest of the week because it won't matter.
If they're not "peaceful but implacable," I see no reason to return the favor.
If the walls are really finally closing in, maybe this is how my life ends- maybe a lot of people's lives.
Perhaps I'm naively optimistic, but I don't expect this will amount to much.
It may even be constructive -- in a backhanded "make my enemies ridiculous" sort of way.
Proposal: graph Sweden's obesity rates alongside its excess mortality during 20/21. Contrast with the US and observe the much tighter correlation between those two figures than between excess mortality and stringency of NPIs.
One assertion is that the countries with the most severe policies just so happen to correlate with the the countries with the most severe depopulation predictions on Deagle. thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=211746
https://odysee.com/@LongXXvids:c/Ernst-Wolf-speech---summary:3?fbclid=IwAR2TFeIgZqsONPhD-s-Bg5ozC9GTFKHj2Og71TPRm4ywf1mvFaE3qOh4U04
Sweden had (and still do) many restrictions unlike what most people think. They also still have pretty tough travel restrictions. It's closed for non-essential travel (and you still need to have proof of vaccination and a negative test) for non-residents.
Just because you don't mandate measures it doesn't mean that people won't adjust their behavior. In Sweden people have high degree of trust in their government and they follow
recommendations. Government recommendations may be more effective than mandates
and use of coercion.
The threat of mandatory vaccination to keep a job and to fly is a pretty big hammer
that the US government has.
In many European countries that now have vaccine passports and nominally very tough
rules, it turns out that most of the businesses (and even border crossings) understandably
do not care and are not enforcing them.
What on earth?? I was all ready to be the lone response here on a semi-quiet hump day, thanking gato for the emboldening pep talk. I was eager to say I’m all in after prevailing in the late-night lecturing of arrogant female “real” doctors on Nextdoor who were bully-talking on the jabs. Truth is that the medical community has been groomed into compliance for decades by the pharmaceutical industry. Now we can see them for the useful idiots they’ve become. Add to that the politicization of medicine and those white coats need a bleaching!
I believe we are winning. We must allow them to take no ground, even in the toxic playground of culturally Marxist Nextdoorland. We embolden others by standing our ground.
Do it today, even in a small way. Kindly but firmly.