"The smart vaccinated people need to consider moving to low vaxx areas, to be protected by a wall of unvaccinated people with actual immunity still working."
if these theses pan out, it's FAR too late for that in the US.
"The smart vaccinated people need to consider moving to low vaxx areas, to be protected by a wall of unvaccinated people with actual immunity still working."
if these theses pan out, it's FAR too late for that in the US.
Interesting how Africa, with very little access to mRNA vaccines is very much Covid-19 free. Could it be the Ivermectin that so many Africans take prophylactically/weekly to prevent malaria and other diseases ? OF COURSE NOT !
ItтАЩs the demographic. Young population. Very few elderly people in poor health which is the happy hunting ground for CoV 2. The same is to be seen in other poor Countries - and they donтАЩt have care homes to act as CoVid slaughter houses.
If only we understood this, all the lockdown/mask/vaccine nonsense would not have happened or continue.
When covid first hit Africa the 'young population demographics' compared to westernized nations was touted as the answer for why there was so little incidence. When comparison was done between regions within Africa that included IVM in their prophylactic protocol (for treatment of other diseases) vs those regions within Africa that did not include IVM the data showed a substantial difference. Was this due to IVM treatment? (The areas that provided IVM had low rates of covid while the areas that didn't had high rates) Perhaps yes, or perhaps there is another confounding variable - but there was no difference in 'young population demographics' between the areas - so this can be excluded as a possible explanation.
ThatтАЩs a good link. I forget about him. He was soooo marginalized if I understand what happened way back when. But heтАЩs still relevant to this fight. Probably more so now than before when he was тАЬonlyтАЭ trying to raise the alarm on other vaxxes that kill less than 200 per year. Now weтАЩve got 24,000 per year and counting.....
Many many people have postulated same and it almost certainly is a factor, BUt the debunkers are right on one thing, Africa has huge confounding variables, hard to prove why c19 is low in those areas. Eg Sunlight and open air, influence vitamin D levels.
Melanin in the skin reduces sunshine caused Vit D so Africans should have higher CoVid shouldnтАЩt it?
But: Europe, USA higher (real) cases and deaths and and these mostly (90%) with average age around 82 plus one or more medical conditions. It is clear it is a virus of the elderly, it is clear the elderly population in Africa is a small fraction compared to Europe, USA.
The factor that makes CoV 2 a killer isnтАЩt present in Africa.
Exactly, many confounding variables. While I accept your science related to Black Africans, not all are totally dark skinned. Plus I still say Americans are in doors so much weтАЩve been proven to be Vitamin D deficient in most cases. I wonder what would happen if we tested the black Africans in Africa? What their D levels are?
Absolutely Nicole ! Funny how there's no news coverage of that is't it ? the Mennonites are non-mRNA vaxxed and have little to none Covid-19 episodes. So... their example as a test group... sure seems to support that the repeated infections and deaths among the triple vaxxed reflects back on the mRNA 'gene therapies'... mistakenly called 'vaccines'. Thanks for bringing the Amish up.
Yes and that shouldn't affect the unshotted as we have a working immune system which will handle whatever comes along just fine. The reinfections for the shotted, who are filling up the hospitals will never be our concern or problem other than the fascist edicts resulting from that insanity.
Wow. Really? Pretty myopic. Many of us have loved ones who had to take the shots or were duped at first. Then there's the fact that so many chronically sick people and kids will need care. Families will lose breadwinners, fertility will be crushed, this has societal ramifications even for those of us who did not inject ourselves. It should be taken off the market, not just voluntary.
Actually, the unvaccinated have a problem as well. It's shedding and transmission. The vaxxed are shedding & transmitting the spike protein and the nanotech items. Bad news for all. And anyone who exchanges fluids (kissing, intercourse) with a vaxxed person has that crap inside them big time (sharing fluids). Maybe soon, it will be recognized that it's the mRNA vaccines that are the real problem. Not the stupid virus !
Is there any hard evidence for shedding and that it's an actual risk for the unvaxxed? There's lots of anecdotal claims but I've yet to see any actual hard evidence it's a real threat. Plus it's not contagious and can't cause replication, unlike the actual concept of "shedding" from those vaccinated with a live virus vaccine.
Taking in small quantities of spikes from vaxxed people likely does have some very small risk. It's comparable to taking up any other toxin in a miniscule quantity that our bodies routinely clear. We aren't turning our cells into spike factories (like the vaxxed) nor are we having viral replication (like the infected). So it's inherently self limiting.
We need to keep some perspective here or we risk ending up like those in hazmat suits paralyzed in fear of the virus. Yes, don't take an experimental novel genetic therapy for a virus with a minimal risk. But also don't live in fear of those who did based on some theoretical possibility of shedding with no hard proof.
I'll take a look but we'll need to do better than some oblique reference to a document with tens of thousands of pages. Some of the comments on our side look awfully close to the hysteria coming from the covidians.
"Shedding" has historically been defined as a risk to the immunocompromised in close proximity to those who took a live virus vaccine. The concern was that they could catch the virus from the vaccinated person. The virus would then replicate in the immunocompromised individual and endanger their health.
There is no virus here and nothing is live, therefore it is not "shedding" in the classic sense. There is nothing to catch. We are talking about the potential incidental exposure to a toxic protein in miniscule quantities. If you aren't sharing bodily fluids, the risk is almost certainly zero. Even if you are, the risk is very small as the spike doesn't multiply (unlike in the vaxxed or infected). This is pretty straight-forward, our bodies have methods to clear toxins. The problem is when the toxins are increasing faster than we can clear them (e.g. when they are multiplying or continuous high level exposure), not from some miniscule incidental contact.
People just love to have something to fear I guess, the science on this isn't complicated. We have enough problems without inventing new ones.
I think you have misunderstood. The risk from vaccinated people has nothing to do with the vaccine per se, it is because vaccinated people are 5 or 6 time more likely to be infected, and thus there is a level of infection in the vaccinated - and thus possible transmission - not present in unvaccinated. Since by now in most populations an unvaccinated person is much more likely to have multiple contacts with vaccinated people than unvaccinated, probability dictates they are at higher risk of infection from vaccinated.
Agreed. IтАЩm dreading going through another booster shedding season. I avoid the recently vaccinated as much as I can but I have no choice at the gym where they shed like crazy.
There are two of us тАЬMelsтАЭ here. I am of the opinion that shedding is not a big deal for those of us who do not have a vaccinated sexual partner. It is likely quite minuscule and negligible, any тАЬsheddingтАЭ affecting us unvaccinated. Maybe the gym is an exception, but no one really knows for sure.
Fortunately the unvaccinated immune system is not fixated on one bit of protein so can quickly adapt. The issue is not infection - we all get infected with umpteen pathogens on a routine basis and never notice if our immune systems are working as they should. When the immune system is loaded down with CoV 2 mRNA baggage, then the infection becomes disease.
This is why unvaccinated hospitalisations and deaths are way down, not because they are nit being infected, but because they can easily neutralise the infection. Prior exposure to the whole virus probably helps too.
Recent studies have shown that the mRNA 'vaccine' elements does change our DNA. If this is true, where are we headed ? Is this the 'TransHumanist' agenda in full effect ? And does the shedding of the mRNA jab elements deeply effect the unvaccinated as well ? I guess we'll find out ?
Another issue is that increased transmissibility via the vaxxed is bad for everyone. We will all get exposed more and mutations happen quicker, meaning we can catch it again once it mutates enough.
I'd be careful here. If there is such a thing as "herd immunity", there perhaps also is the inverse of that: An overall abnormally high viral load overbearing an immune system that has evolved to work fine within a crowd of a majority of people with reasonably functioning immune systems - which then is no longer the case here.
The blood donor surveillance data from the UK Health Security Agency revealed that the vaxxed do not have antibodies to the nucleocapsid at the same level as they do to the spike protein, and the anti-spike antibodies are probably recalled vaxx antibodies that are not effective against new variants. The aggregate data has been rising slowly over the past few months, but the numbers remain low in the older age cohorts. Unfortunately, the vaxxed may need to endure several infections before they have something resembling durable protection..
I am saying this in a way that is actually as a huge fan of the state though I do not live there...West Virginia has a fairly "low" vax rate, relatively speaking. I visit there often, and love going. Friendly people, living normally.
I wonder what could be done to mitigate. My spouse is in medicine in CA and thus boostered. Probably will be forced to have another by September the way Newsom sounds. I had one of the poison injections before quitting my job. Oddly enough we have yet to catch it despite me being out and about maskless, same for the unvaccinated kids.
Mitigate: follow same protocols as with c19 itself. Cf FLCCC protocol. Especially anything that is supposed to mitigate vascular, cardio, intestine, sexual and brain health. Many many nutraceuticals. I like Dr HuberтАЩs substack also. No offense to Dr Bruce Patterson (Doctor to many vaccine injured and seems like a nice guy) but I donтАЩt trust doctors who throw Pharma at problems without at least first trying nutraceuticals that will cause subsequent side effects. ALL things, natural and big Pharma CAN have side effects but itтАЩs extremely rare for a natural to harm in a way that is permanent or harsh, usually you just discontinue. So IтАЩd trust Dr Huber (naturopath, check her very intelligent substack) before IтАЩd trust Patterson.
On my end I am in control group, never had c19.
IтАЩve used 70 nutraceuticals, many for joint issues but many seem to have anti inflammatory properties which help with most concerns. For c19 and mitigation, I would recommend melatonin in high doses (1 mg per kilogram, yes itтАЩs a huge amount, but even small amounts are helpful, cf Ray Sahelians (MD) blog, raysahelian.com for melatonin facts, heтАЩs got a good site on jabs too. And Mercola had great info on the cellular impact of melatonin. Also turmeric I.e. Curcurmin (sahelian and mercola also), NAC (Mercola and FLCCC), vitamin D, vitamin C, quercetin, DGL (deglycerinized licorice, I think Mercola and Shallenberger, another naturopathic doc have published the links to why it helps), anything with Rosemarinic acid (internet search should have the pubmed article I found on that), CoQ10 for hearth health, dandelion leaf (which I havenтАЩt used but have heard it can be a c19 fighter), any mushrooms for immune strengthening, zinc of course (Mercola had a great recent article about amount of zinc and fact it can deplete copper(esp if too much), selenium, EGCG.
IтАЩm sure I left out something.... check FLCCC, website, especially if your husband is skeptical of naturopaths, they are MDs. Mercola is too.
Oh, zinc must always be taken with one or more of: quercetin, EGCG, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, because these are zinc ionophores. However ivermectin and quercetin have some sort or interaction issue, FLCCC posted it, those two shouldnтАЩt be taken together.
I also personally believe in Zyflamend, a very expensive product but available many places. Look up, all natural.
Oh, that must be so hard, my heart goes out to you... My partner and I differ on a huge number of issues, great and small, but I am daily thankful that he, at 78, is onboard with me on this. We would both choose death before the vax, we both take supplements, etc. Have you pointed out to your spouse that even milk has Vit. D added to it?
Med school taught him supplements are quackeries and you get enough from diet and sun. He spends very little time outside; way too little for meaningful D levels. My guess is heтАЩs at or below 20. You canтАЩt lead the horse to the waterтАж. Sigh.
I find it so sad and daunting that the training for a license in general medicine has in some respects changed so little over the past few decades. To my mind it still seems behind in its approach to diet, supplements, in fact most pathways of holistic health and wellness. Which is why I so appreciate those doctors who are "bridges" between allopathic and alternative medicine - people like Christiane Northrup, Deepak Chopra, Andrew Weil, Joseph Mercola, etc. My best friend was a surgeon who, when she was diagnosed with breast cancer, actually turned to me as a layperson with a lifelong interest in holistic health for suggestions on how she could create a complementary treatment plan for herself. I was so honored, but it felt surreal having her, for once, be the person writing things down, as I rattled them off - supplements, foods, herbs, Ayurvedic and TCM treatments, etc. When I in turn had breast cancer, I stunned my oncologist by asking if I could continue to take polysaccharides while undergoing radiation treatment. He had never been asked that before, and didn't know the answer. And he was a Stanford man. It's still not mainstream, and the changes come slowly. It's wonderful when I do meet medical people who have open minds and hearts, they seem to be in the minority. Your husband's not alone with this. But it must be incredibly frustrating for you.
I lost trust when I learned about the cholesterol and statin scam. After that itтАЩs been a tsunami of bad medicine and duplicity plus fraud in the current allopathic medical system. My job number 1 is to stay out of conventional docs offices and especially hospitalsтАФwhich I consider death centers of the SickCare system. If I break my armтАФok.
I'm of much the same mind. I think my friend the surgeon was remarkable (she has since passed on) because she was open to holistic treatments and she also gave her patients some credit for knowing a little bit about the bodies they lived in. Towards the end she declared that if she had not ceased practicing because of her health crisis, she would have done so anyway, because allopathic medicine to her was like "going to church, when I am no longer a believer". Most MDs can't begin to give you any credit, they are all too often condescending pill pushers. I've beaten my poor doc into submission, he now knows to STFU about vaccines and meds and just give me a diagnosis; I get to make the decisions - and take the responsibility - from there. There was a learning curve. Do I sound obnoxious? I hope I'm just very proactive, and participate in all my health matters, not led around like a lamb to the slaughter. I acknowledge that they're good for surgeries, diagnoses and writing referrals to specialists. Maybe one in ten is different - a pearl beyond price. If you have a doctor like that, hang on to them!
My hubby follows his kidney doc who tells him Vit D is bad for kidneys. This doc is in her kidney silo. I show him studies that even with mild kidney issue good levels of D over 40тАУ60 plus does not harm and is helpful for prevention of disease but he wonтАЩt budge on any recommendations from meтАФIтАЩm 74 yo healthy as a horse had a mild 3 day Covid and unvaxxed. He got JJ. But wonтАЩt get a booster anyway.
Love Zyflamend, works great for my arthritis, but just too pricey. I go with turmeric and black pepper. Also butcher's broom, saunas, and anti-inflammatory diet. My sister was Mercola's biggest devotee but then denounced him when he came out against the vaccines. Interesting how she was so much smarter than he was.
Mercola has long been anti vax so he was an easy target for the other side. At least he seems to have plenty of money. I doubt itтАЩs hurt him a great deal. I personally find him a wealth (no pun intended) of info especially at explaining the mechanism of action of various nutraceuticals.
It's incomprehensible to me that my sister, a nurse married to a nurse, who followed Mercola religiously for years and held her MS at bay by following his suggestions, and who would not even vaccinate her kids against polio, etc., much to our family's dismay, should throw him under the bus because she got sucked into the Fauci machine. Just baffling. Brainwashed, is all I can think.
I doubted it too when I read it but found it only in one place, FLCCC. Whoever writes or maintains their basic info (Kory?) linked to something they implied was Paul Mariks Own research or something he himself had discovered. It wasnтАЩt dangerous, the research simply showed quercetin made ivermectin not work or vice versa. If itтАЩs not there anymore maybe the original findings were wrong?
are you saying FLCCC changed it? ThatтАЩs good if so, as I said I donтАЩt think either IVM or Quercetin is a problem but I Sincerely (not jokingly) donтАЩt want to post misinformation on any either pharma or nutraceuticals. Twitter idiots not withstanding: there are Twitter trolls saying they are MDs attacking Paul Marik and his use of high dosage IV vitamin C in combo with pharma drugs to combat sepsis. I was appalled. If the troll is truly an MD he ought to be ashamed of himself and I told him so.
I believe he is right about the C/sepsis; I read about that in pre-covid times. I have followed FLCCC since Nov 2020. I cannot find the article you mentioned now, but on the latest protocol PDF (Jan 2022) they updated for Omicron and recommend the 2 x 500 Quercetin along with iVM/HCQ
"The smart vaccinated people need to consider moving to low vaxx areas, to be protected by a wall of unvaccinated people with actual immunity still working."
if these theses pan out, it's FAR too late for that in the US.
they'd need to move to africa.
Antarctica is lovely this time of year.
I thought a fully vaccinated research team tried that and still got the virus. ;)
I thought it was because they didn't allow the norwegian to shoot the dog?
I vote for moving the vaxxed to Antarctica...
I second that.
Interesting how Africa, with very little access to mRNA vaccines is very much Covid-19 free. Could it be the Ivermectin that so many Africans take prophylactically/weekly to prevent malaria and other diseases ? OF COURSE NOT !
ItтАЩs the demographic. Young population. Very few elderly people in poor health which is the happy hunting ground for CoV 2. The same is to be seen in other poor Countries - and they donтАЩt have care homes to act as CoVid slaughter houses.
If only we understood this, all the lockdown/mask/vaccine nonsense would not have happened or continue.
When covid first hit Africa the 'young population demographics' compared to westernized nations was touted as the answer for why there was so little incidence. When comparison was done between regions within Africa that included IVM in their prophylactic protocol (for treatment of other diseases) vs those regions within Africa that did not include IVM the data showed a substantial difference. Was this due to IVM treatment? (The areas that provided IVM had low rates of covid while the areas that didn't had high rates) Perhaps yes, or perhaps there is another confounding variable - but there was no difference in 'young population demographics' between the areas - so this can be excluded as a possible explanation.
But also, just the fact alone of their having lower vax rates meant they could develop immunity and not have constant reinfections.
Also many Africans take hydroxychloroquine or similar for malaria suppression.
And I use to think this guy was a nut-job. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4Sd5GzROISw
They knew, and did it anyway. It was intentional.
All of it. The trashing of immune systems (VAIDS), the shedding...all of it. You are exactly correct.
Exactly.
Yup.
The sunlight, youth and lack of obesity, more likely. Not everyone takes IVM all the time, it would be very expensive for them.
Hi... Ivermectin is dirt cheap in Africa. 10 cents a weekly dose...
And I use to think this guy was a nut-job. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4Sd5GzROISw
ThatтАЩs a good link. I forget about him. He was soooo marginalized if I understand what happened way back when. But heтАЩs still relevant to this fight. Probably more so now than before when he was тАЬonlyтАЭ trying to raise the alarm on other vaxxes that kill less than 200 per year. Now weтАЩve got 24,000 per year and counting.....
Many many people have postulated same and it almost certainly is a factor, BUt the debunkers are right on one thing, Africa has huge confounding variables, hard to prove why c19 is low in those areas. Eg Sunlight and open air, influence vitamin D levels.
Melanin in the skin reduces sunshine caused Vit D so Africans should have higher CoVid shouldnтАЩt it?
But: Europe, USA higher (real) cases and deaths and and these mostly (90%) with average age around 82 plus one or more medical conditions. It is clear it is a virus of the elderly, it is clear the elderly population in Africa is a small fraction compared to Europe, USA.
The factor that makes CoV 2 a killer isnтАЩt present in Africa.
Exactly, many confounding variables. While I accept your science related to Black Africans, not all are totally dark skinned. Plus I still say Americans are in doors so much weтАЩve been proven to be Vitamin D deficient in most cases. I wonder what would happen if we tested the black Africans in Africa? What their D levels are?
The Amish in the US as well seem unaffected
Absolutely Nicole ! Funny how there's no news coverage of that is't it ? the Mennonites are non-mRNA vaxxed and have little to none Covid-19 episodes. So... their example as a test group... sure seems to support that the repeated infections and deaths among the triple vaxxed reflects back on the mRNA 'gene therapies'... mistakenly called 'vaccines'. Thanks for bringing the Amish up.
Because they donтАЩt watch TV, and having a cold isnтАЩt an emergency
Husband had both Moderna shots and still got a nasty case of Covid. He should be good now. Oh. And he was as sick as I was, the unvaccinated one.
I hope you're right, but what we're seeing all over the place is the vaxxed getting infected again and again. That's the problem.
Yes and that shouldn't affect the unshotted as we have a working immune system which will handle whatever comes along just fine. The reinfections for the shotted, who are filling up the hospitals will never be our concern or problem other than the fascist edicts resulting from that insanity.
Wow. Really? Pretty myopic. Many of us have loved ones who had to take the shots or were duped at first. Then there's the fact that so many chronically sick people and kids will need care. Families will lose breadwinners, fertility will be crushed, this has societal ramifications even for those of us who did not inject ourselves. It should be taken off the market, not just voluntary.
Pretty myopic, because these re-infected are throwing off new variants with each re-infection, that ultimately will turn more deadly and kill us all.
Actually, the unvaccinated have a problem as well. It's shedding and transmission. The vaxxed are shedding & transmitting the spike protein and the nanotech items. Bad news for all. And anyone who exchanges fluids (kissing, intercourse) with a vaxxed person has that crap inside them big time (sharing fluids). Maybe soon, it will be recognized that it's the mRNA vaccines that are the real problem. Not the stupid virus !
Is there any hard evidence for shedding and that it's an actual risk for the unvaxxed? There's lots of anecdotal claims but I've yet to see any actual hard evidence it's a real threat. Plus it's not contagious and can't cause replication, unlike the actual concept of "shedding" from those vaccinated with a live virus vaccine.
Taking in small quantities of spikes from vaxxed people likely does have some very small risk. It's comparable to taking up any other toxin in a miniscule quantity that our bodies routinely clear. We aren't turning our cells into spike factories (like the vaxxed) nor are we having viral replication (like the infected). So it's inherently self limiting.
We need to keep some perspective here or we risk ending up like those in hazmat suits paralyzed in fear of the virus. Yes, don't take an experimental novel genetic therapy for a virus with a minimal risk. But also don't live in fear of those who did based on some theoretical possibility of shedding with no hard proof.
REad the released Pfizer trial data. Not only do they shed, even Pfizer doesn't know what they shed, but they were warned to keep apart from spouses.
I'll take a look but we'll need to do better than some oblique reference to a document with tens of thousands of pages. Some of the comments on our side look awfully close to the hysteria coming from the covidians.
"Shedding" has historically been defined as a risk to the immunocompromised in close proximity to those who took a live virus vaccine. The concern was that they could catch the virus from the vaccinated person. The virus would then replicate in the immunocompromised individual and endanger their health.
There is no virus here and nothing is live, therefore it is not "shedding" in the classic sense. There is nothing to catch. We are talking about the potential incidental exposure to a toxic protein in miniscule quantities. If you aren't sharing bodily fluids, the risk is almost certainly zero. Even if you are, the risk is very small as the spike doesn't multiply (unlike in the vaxxed or infected). This is pretty straight-forward, our bodies have methods to clear toxins. The problem is when the toxins are increasing faster than we can clear them (e.g. when they are multiplying or continuous high level exposure), not from some miniscule incidental contact.
People just love to have something to fear I guess, the science on this isn't complicated. We have enough problems without inventing new ones.
Agree.
I think you have misunderstood. The risk from vaccinated people has nothing to do with the vaccine per se, it is because vaccinated people are 5 or 6 time more likely to be infected, and thus there is a level of infection in the vaccinated - and thus possible transmission - not present in unvaccinated. Since by now in most populations an unvaccinated person is much more likely to have multiple contacts with vaccinated people than unvaccinated, probability dictates they are at higher risk of infection from vaccinated.
Agreed. IтАЩm dreading going through another booster shedding season. I avoid the recently vaccinated as much as I can but I have no choice at the gym where they shed like crazy.
Is it time to get vaccinated people to wear a big badgeтАж VтАж perhaps? Recently vaxxed to proceed ringing a bell: Unclean. Unclean. ЁЯШК
There'd be a lot of 'V 's all over, sadly.
There are two of us тАЬMelsтАЭ here. I am of the opinion that shedding is not a big deal for those of us who do not have a vaccinated sexual partner. It is likely quite minuscule and negligible, any тАЬsheddingтАЭ affecting us unvaccinated. Maybe the gym is an exception, but no one really knows for sure.
Good luck Mel...
Fortunately the unvaccinated immune system is not fixated on one bit of protein so can quickly adapt. The issue is not infection - we all get infected with umpteen pathogens on a routine basis and never notice if our immune systems are working as they should. When the immune system is loaded down with CoV 2 mRNA baggage, then the infection becomes disease.
This is why unvaccinated hospitalisations and deaths are way down, not because they are nit being infected, but because they can easily neutralise the infection. Prior exposure to the whole virus probably helps too.
Recent studies have shown that the mRNA 'vaccine' elements does change our DNA. If this is true, where are we headed ? Is this the 'TransHumanist' agenda in full effect ? And does the shedding of the mRNA jab elements deeply effect the unvaccinated as well ? I guess we'll find out ?
Can you please share the research that shows the nanoparticles "shed"? Serious question.
Write to Pfizer. Or real the trial documents
Another issue is that increased transmissibility via the vaxxed is bad for everyone. We will all get exposed more and mutations happen quicker, meaning we can catch it again once it mutates enough.
I'd be careful here. If there is such a thing as "herd immunity", there perhaps also is the inverse of that: An overall abnormally high viral load overbearing an immune system that has evolved to work fine within a crowd of a majority of people with reasonably functioning immune systems - which then is no longer the case here.
The UK is testing vaxxed people for AIDS & HIV. Not testing unvaxed for the same. Conclusion ?
"The UK is testing vaxxed people for AIDS & HIV. "
Show us the source for that.
Adverts for Numan. Get tested, we only charge you if we find anything. In NHS, bllods taken are automatically screened
VAIDS does that to you
The blood donor surveillance data from the UK Health Security Agency revealed that the vaxxed do not have antibodies to the nucleocapsid at the same level as they do to the spike protein, and the anti-spike antibodies are probably recalled vaxx antibodies that are not effective against new variants. The aggregate data has been rising slowly over the past few months, but the numbers remain low in the older age cohorts. Unfortunately, the vaxxed may need to endure several infections before they have something resembling durable protection..
Pages 38-44
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1069256/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_15.pdf
Oh, dear Lord. "EFFECTIVENESS AGAINST SYMPTOMATIC DISEASE"
...then drops to almost no effect (how scientific is that? -my comment) from 25 wks after the second dose (AZ)
....down to around (again, how"scientific") 15% by 25 wks after second dose (Pf and Mod)
....dropping to almost no effect from 20+ weeks after the booster.
Am I stupid? Is this still vaxxine?
That's from the link above my post. I'm sorry for not making it clear.
People i know who are max vaxxed are getting very sick... unvaxxed not so much
I am saying this in a way that is actually as a huge fan of the state though I do not live there...West Virginia has a fairly "low" vax rate, relatively speaking. I visit there often, and love going. Friendly people, living normally.
I love WVa too!
I wonder how many in the 70+ age cohort have gotten a fourth dose. Could we be seeing another worry window spike?
Just heard about a former coworker who's been diagnosed with Parkinson's. She's had at least 3 shots. :(
I wonder what could be done to mitigate. My spouse is in medicine in CA and thus boostered. Probably will be forced to have another by September the way Newsom sounds. I had one of the poison injections before quitting my job. Oddly enough we have yet to catch it despite me being out and about maskless, same for the unvaccinated kids.
Mitigate: follow same protocols as with c19 itself. Cf FLCCC protocol. Especially anything that is supposed to mitigate vascular, cardio, intestine, sexual and brain health. Many many nutraceuticals. I like Dr HuberтАЩs substack also. No offense to Dr Bruce Patterson (Doctor to many vaccine injured and seems like a nice guy) but I donтАЩt trust doctors who throw Pharma at problems without at least first trying nutraceuticals that will cause subsequent side effects. ALL things, natural and big Pharma CAN have side effects but itтАЩs extremely rare for a natural to harm in a way that is permanent or harsh, usually you just discontinue. So IтАЩd trust Dr Huber (naturopath, check her very intelligent substack) before IтАЩd trust Patterson.
On my end I am in control group, never had c19.
IтАЩve used 70 nutraceuticals, many for joint issues but many seem to have anti inflammatory properties which help with most concerns. For c19 and mitigation, I would recommend melatonin in high doses (1 mg per kilogram, yes itтАЩs a huge amount, but even small amounts are helpful, cf Ray Sahelians (MD) blog, raysahelian.com for melatonin facts, heтАЩs got a good site on jabs too. And Mercola had great info on the cellular impact of melatonin. Also turmeric I.e. Curcurmin (sahelian and mercola also), NAC (Mercola and FLCCC), vitamin D, vitamin C, quercetin, DGL (deglycerinized licorice, I think Mercola and Shallenberger, another naturopathic doc have published the links to why it helps), anything with Rosemarinic acid (internet search should have the pubmed article I found on that), CoQ10 for hearth health, dandelion leaf (which I havenтАЩt used but have heard it can be a c19 fighter), any mushrooms for immune strengthening, zinc of course (Mercola had a great recent article about amount of zinc and fact it can deplete copper(esp if too much), selenium, EGCG.
IтАЩm sure I left out something.... check FLCCC, website, especially if your husband is skeptical of naturopaths, they are MDs. Mercola is too.
Oh, zinc must always be taken with one or more of: quercetin, EGCG, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, because these are zinc ionophores. However ivermectin and quercetin have some sort or interaction issue, FLCCC posted it, those two shouldnтАЩt be taken together.
I also personally believe in Zyflamend, a very expensive product but available many places. Look up, all natural.
I do but my spouse would never follow such тАШquackeriesтАЩ.spouse wouldnтАЩt even touch vitamin d ЁЯШн
Oh, that must be so hard, my heart goes out to you... My partner and I differ on a huge number of issues, great and small, but I am daily thankful that he, at 78, is onboard with me on this. We would both choose death before the vax, we both take supplements, etc. Have you pointed out to your spouse that even milk has Vit. D added to it?
Med school taught him supplements are quackeries and you get enough from diet and sun. He spends very little time outside; way too little for meaningful D levels. My guess is heтАЩs at or below 20. You canтАЩt lead the horse to the waterтАж. Sigh.
I find it so sad and daunting that the training for a license in general medicine has in some respects changed so little over the past few decades. To my mind it still seems behind in its approach to diet, supplements, in fact most pathways of holistic health and wellness. Which is why I so appreciate those doctors who are "bridges" between allopathic and alternative medicine - people like Christiane Northrup, Deepak Chopra, Andrew Weil, Joseph Mercola, etc. My best friend was a surgeon who, when she was diagnosed with breast cancer, actually turned to me as a layperson with a lifelong interest in holistic health for suggestions on how she could create a complementary treatment plan for herself. I was so honored, but it felt surreal having her, for once, be the person writing things down, as I rattled them off - supplements, foods, herbs, Ayurvedic and TCM treatments, etc. When I in turn had breast cancer, I stunned my oncologist by asking if I could continue to take polysaccharides while undergoing radiation treatment. He had never been asked that before, and didn't know the answer. And he was a Stanford man. It's still not mainstream, and the changes come slowly. It's wonderful when I do meet medical people who have open minds and hearts, they seem to be in the minority. Your husband's not alone with this. But it must be incredibly frustrating for you.
I lost trust when I learned about the cholesterol and statin scam. After that itтАЩs been a tsunami of bad medicine and duplicity plus fraud in the current allopathic medical system. My job number 1 is to stay out of conventional docs offices and especially hospitalsтАФwhich I consider death centers of the SickCare system. If I break my armтАФok.
I'm of much the same mind. I think my friend the surgeon was remarkable (she has since passed on) because she was open to holistic treatments and she also gave her patients some credit for knowing a little bit about the bodies they lived in. Towards the end she declared that if she had not ceased practicing because of her health crisis, she would have done so anyway, because allopathic medicine to her was like "going to church, when I am no longer a believer". Most MDs can't begin to give you any credit, they are all too often condescending pill pushers. I've beaten my poor doc into submission, he now knows to STFU about vaccines and meds and just give me a diagnosis; I get to make the decisions - and take the responsibility - from there. There was a learning curve. Do I sound obnoxious? I hope I'm just very proactive, and participate in all my health matters, not led around like a lamb to the slaughter. I acknowledge that they're good for surgeries, diagnoses and writing referrals to specialists. Maybe one in ten is different - a pearl beyond price. If you have a doctor like that, hang on to them!
What does he have against Vitamin D?
My hubby follows his kidney doc who tells him Vit D is bad for kidneys. This doc is in her kidney silo. I show him studies that even with mild kidney issue good levels of D over 40тАУ60 plus does not harm and is helpful for prevention of disease but he wonтАЩt budge on any recommendations from meтАФIтАЩm 74 yo healthy as a horse had a mild 3 day Covid and unvaxxed. He got JJ. But wonтАЩt get a booster anyway.
Love Zyflamend, works great for my arthritis, but just too pricey. I go with turmeric and black pepper. Also butcher's broom, saunas, and anti-inflammatory diet. My sister was Mercola's biggest devotee but then denounced him when he came out against the vaccines. Interesting how she was so much smarter than he was.
Mercola has long been anti vax so he was an easy target for the other side. At least he seems to have plenty of money. I doubt itтАЩs hurt him a great deal. I personally find him a wealth (no pun intended) of info especially at explaining the mechanism of action of various nutraceuticals.
It's incomprehensible to me that my sister, a nurse married to a nurse, who followed Mercola religiously for years and held her MS at bay by following his suggestions, and who would not even vaccinate her kids against polio, etc., much to our family's dismay, should throw him under the bus because she got sucked into the Fauci machine. Just baffling. Brainwashed, is all I can think.
I have never found anything on IVM and quercetin being contra indicated
I doubted it too when I read it but found it only in one place, FLCCC. Whoever writes or maintains their basic info (Kory?) linked to something they implied was Paul Mariks Own research or something he himself had discovered. It wasnтАЩt dangerous, the research simply showed quercetin made ivermectin not work or vice versa. If itтАЩs not there anymore maybe the original findings were wrong?
right I reviewed the full FLCCC protocols again, and quercetin is listed as complementary (along with C, D, zinc) for the first line drugs of HCQ/IVM
I did myself take quercetin when I took the prophylactic IVM, and when I got covid (sick - mildly - less than 24 hours)
are you saying FLCCC changed it? ThatтАЩs good if so, as I said I donтАЩt think either IVM or Quercetin is a problem but I Sincerely (not jokingly) donтАЩt want to post misinformation on any either pharma or nutraceuticals. Twitter idiots not withstanding: there are Twitter trolls saying they are MDs attacking Paul Marik and his use of high dosage IV vitamin C in combo with pharma drugs to combat sepsis. I was appalled. If the troll is truly an MD he ought to be ashamed of himself and I told him so.
I believe he is right about the C/sepsis; I read about that in pre-covid times. I have followed FLCCC since Nov 2020. I cannot find the article you mentioned now, but on the latest protocol PDF (Jan 2022) they updated for Omicron and recommend the 2 x 500 Quercetin along with iVM/HCQ
Remember it is often asymptomatic.
Oh right, remember youтАЩre sick even when you are notтАж
And I use to think this guy was a nut-job. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4Sd5GzROISw
one looks how it gets trapped in tree pollen (https://doi.org/10.1063/5.0055845) and has the possibility for jetstream transport (http://physics.ruh.ac.lk/ab/pub/443.pdf). in addition to it staying in the intestinal track for up to six months (https://doi.org/10.1186/s12876-021-01905-3) ... probably no way out for many of these folks.