Here masks are compulsory indoors. I have not tried to put it off, I just wear it badly so that the air flows perfectly in and out...
People are scared and it is difficult to change that. That, I can understand. I honestly do not want to get that virus, it can get nasty. But the alternative is to live with fear... for how long? I think ye…
Here masks are compulsory indoors. I have not tried to put it off, I just wear it badly so that the air flows perfectly in and out...
People are scared and it is difficult to change that. That, I can understand. I honestly do not want to get that virus, it can get nasty. But the alternative is to live with fear... for how long? I think years or forever (a good vaccine can never appear, like AIDS). Better treatments, yes, but when? I am not going to wait for that in order to live my life. Also, I want my kids to live in the same world I have lived in, with normal interactions with other people.
Hi, Shasta. Are you from Spain or are you just living here temporally?
I am Spanish (La Coruña), and I can confirm everything you say. Spain is a total mess, and we´re one bad season away from politicians creating a legal frame to make them compulsory forever, at least in winter, and people will love it. The rupture of reasoning, the fall of common sense is total due to 24/7 of media fearmongering, with the lowest level of scientific understanding or moral principles one can conceive.
I´ve never used them outdoors when they were conpulsory, in a country with a 100% compliance, so you can imagine how my life was for a year... I could write a book. People violently mad or totally scared. I´ve seen waves of people just dissapearing from my sidewalk like I was Jesus performing the Red Sea miracle, when they saw me maskless, girls jumping from the promenade to the sand, women crying, or hiding behind trees, scuffles with the police... Total hell.
Oh my, yes, total hell. Last December, we were in FL for vacation, you know the state with no mandates. We were birdwatching on a couple of OUTSIDE nature boardwalks and our adult son who is as non-compliant as I am and I were not 50 ft. in and people were screaming at us to put masks on. I told the "Karens" to move along and he just ignored them and kept walking. At another point, some old guy threateningly told him to put on one and he said "no" and kept walking. He said to me, "what was that geezer going to do, fight me? I'm 6'4" and 210 pounds!" At the next one, some guy in a wheelchair asked me to put one on and I said, "no, I'm outside, it's not necessary." This guy had had covid already and then basically wished it on me. This has revealed the authoritarian, maliciousness in people and I wish they'd look in the mirror and see the haters they have become, but all they can see is their virtue and self-righteousness.
Even now with no mandates, probably 50% of people are wearing face diapers which is why I hate going shopping. My gym seems to be the only place where I don't feel like I'm living in an outdoor insane asylum as soon as I walk out of my house.
Thank you for your the take on Florida. I honestly did not expect that 50% in a place that is, along with S. Dakota, Texas, or Sweden in Europe, the reference for us.
Keep in mind the Florida account is from last December. What I cited about 50% face diaper use where I live is in Northern Indiana - supposedly a Red state, but we have a RINO (Republican in Name Only) governor who has been clueless and missing in action most of the time. Thankfully, we have an attorney general who has a spine.
I'm in northern Indiana also and in the two towns I frequent haven't seen many face diapers for several months now. If only the employees were freed then I might feel like things were back to normal.
I hear you on the RINO. That guy is better missing than handing out mandates.
Glad to hear your experience, but it seems to be increasing here. I'm guessing it will just get worse as the cold weather progresses. I am considering walking up to strangers wearing them and handing out my early treatment resource slips. We'll see how that goes!
Spanish. I also left the mask before it became optional. My baby was showing a strange behavior in the street. He was a different baby at home. I think he thought that the street was a no-face place. So that was it for me. But I had no issues. Just once a girl got a bit scared.
The foremost thing is being able to get through a winter where they will manipulate (again) the cumulative incidence and death figures. If we can surf the media/medical/political madness these 4 months, maybe March will be different. Good luck to you:)
Media is easy. I do not watch TV. That have forced me t get the info in alternative media, not always the best option, but still better. I do not read news about Corona, I actually have little or no idea about the situation of the disease in Spain. I can even deal with the restrictions, I will not comply. Period. My only concern is that my loved ones are strong enough to refuse the jab, whatever it takes. Good luck to you too! See you around!
ihope i am wrong but i fear that this is the winter in which the government, or at least some autonomic govs, will try to implement the covid pass. catalonia has already announced that as soon as our icus get to 100 covid patients, they will mandate it for restaurants, coffeeshops, gyms. there were about 90 a couple of weeks ago. rigt now it is mandatory to get into clubs and i am not sure about concerts. i hope that, if that is the case, the supreme court overrules them much like it ended up happening in your area but rendering that useless will only take a change in legislation, which, well, it is not like we have not seen that before over here.
i am also an spaniard but in bcn. i used to be hooked to several news radio shows accross the political spectrum. i had to stop listening to them. the most frigtening thing wasn't even the ignorant comments of the journalists but regular people calling for more and harsher mandates.
many people on the street still wear masks. i overheard a conversation in the gym today, two guys in their early 40s, in shape. they were blaming people's behaviour from covid not going away. not a shadow of a doubt that perhaps it is this idiotic approach what's brought us here. it is the people's fault, despite the almost 90% vax rate and spain having had very strict lockdowns and masks mandates and how compliant and obedient all of us are -- my hat goes off to you purple man, i did not use a mask outdoors other tan early in the morning when there was just very few people out in order to avoid what you did endure.
mind you, we've been working out with masks for many months by now. only a few weeks ago did the catalan gov allow for not using a mask at the gym as long as you're working out by yourself. still, many people still wear it even when no one is close to them. exercising with a mask, another winner that surely does improve your health.
Yeah, exercising or living with a mask...What a great idea. How could human being not realize it before?
You know, it takes new words to express the astonishment for a sciencific class that, in one year, has agreed with (and pushed) the notion that the best social health strategy is interfering with the very basis of life and health itself (breathing), wearing a mask full of bacteriae and fungus all day, every day, destroying your dreams, your economy, shutting down culture and spirituality, having you locked up in your own house without receiving fresh air or sun... To say it is crazy is not enough:)
It is my understanding that there is an obvious technocratic movement that tries to make human interaction or interaction with the environment as uncomfortable as for us not desiring it anymore, so that we´d end up at home, having nothing in our real lives, and depending on virtual reality like junkies, where we´ll be gods.
I am a totally calm, stable person, but there were times when I understood the feeling of madness, of irreality, of being in a lucid dream. I particularly remember a Saturday, October/November 2020, when I walked downtown in La Coruña, which was as crowded as it could be, and people literally starting acting like Jack Nicholson in "As good as it gets", or "Mejor imposible", as we called in Spain. Do you remember the way he walked to avoid contact? There were nasty comments, yes, but especially families leaving the sidewalk in fear, old people stopping and protecting with their arms in front of their faces, etc. Hundreds of people and I could have walked swinging my arms and I would not touch anybody...I stopped and started laughing like a maniac, imitating them. I swear it felt unreal.
Regarding your other post, yes, this winter is going to be decissive. I lost all hope of a miracle. Official stats are so easily manipulable that no way they are going to dismantle a legal, argumentative, scientific, mediatic scaffolding that has been proved so succesful. Actually it´ll go worse, because, as I already told people in 2020, it serves for any other inoculated fear, especially flu and viral pneumonia. And that´s where we are now...
See you around, Agustina. Good luck and thanks for the comments:)
someone else mentioned it, but you should write a book, or at least a post, of what it was like for you to walk around without a mask. i can only imagine but, as these past few months have proven, my imagination fell short of what my fellow citizens re capable of. i am confident the truth will come to light but by then, it'll probably be too late. in the meantime, i am already making peace with the fact that i might never go to a cinema, gym, coffeshop or restaurant again and that i must leave the city sooner than later. and that my circle of friendships will be greatly reduced i might rarely see them. would love to be proven wrong, though.
knowing there are other spaniards on this boat, though, is comforting.
Totally agree with both the comfort in seeing Spaniards with similar mindset and especially with the slow, painful process of understanding that it is truly a possibility that I might never do all those things you mention again. And although I am basically a lone wolf, I am so lucky that my mother, my brother and my best friend all are on this boat too.
Anyway, this whole mess the world has become has thrown me even deeper into the abyss of meditation and the mystical side of us, and I know there are many to whom this has happened too, so in the long run, who knows? Something better, more intimate, might have been giving their first steps for all of us renegades:)
I read your accounts of life in Spain and it gives me perspective that it's not so bad in the USA where we live with only "suggested" masks at stores. Medical offices of any type are another story though. I get by with a face shield at the doctor's practice, but I was forced to put on a surgical mask at an endodontist's office. The chairs in the waiting room were covered in plastic! I started laughing. I said to the dental assistant, "Wow, people are really scared here." and she said, "I'm not." I said, "well whoever is in charge of the waiting room sure is. The chairs are covered in plastic." I have to go back in 2 weeks to finish the root canal and I want to write "Let's go Brandon!" on the mask they gave me. My husband would prefer I write something else. He suggested "virus stopper" and I said I'd draw a bunch of laughing/crying emojis underneath the words.
I am sorry you all in Spain are living in such a nightmare.
Hi, Birdingmom. Thanks for your take. It soothes me to hear accounts from people living different situations. It really does.
I´d point out that the problem is not so much that Spain is living in a nightmare. If that were the case, we would all wake up sooner or later by force. The problem is that only a handful of us live in a nightmare, while 99,99% are totally involved in the process of making this situation chronic, either by submission through fear/depression or by total gullibility regarding the official narrative (vast majority who DO believe that they´re doing temporary sacrifices in order to have their lives back...)
I understand and I am so sorry. Have you watched any of Dr. Mattias Desmet's interviews about mass formation? There is not much advice in this one as far as how to break through to these people, but it is encouraging to know that we might be able to break through to the 40% he estimates is just going along. I have saved another link for an interview with him but haven't watched it - I get more behind all the time! He suggests continuing to confront people with facts/data to try to diminish the hypnosis.
thanks for what you've shared. as purple man says, the 'scary' thing in spain is how oblivious everyone is to the fact that the official narrative does not make sense. no one questions anything and the fact that numbers are raising in europe right now is put on the unvaccinated.
thankfully, there's been no talk about mandating the vaccine to work like in italy or in the usa, but, who knows if they'll come to be. austria just banned unvaccinated people from leaving their house at all. even to buy groceries which... how can that even be constitutional?
i've also been undergoing dental treatment for the past few months and the policy there is hand sanitizer, which i pretend to use and, 'funnily' enough, a friend from the use just sent me some news from msm in which the fda warns about benzene in hand sanitizers s it's directly linked to causing leukemia in humans (!). like in your case, a mask is mandatory and you also have to rinse with some antibacterial solution before the dentist sees you. they also take your temperature. nevertheless, my dentist once asked me if it was okay if she took the lask off because she was too uncomfortable and i said 'please do', so...
I hope you're able to watch the first link with Dr. Desmet. Even though I've been seeing the mass delusional psychosis from almost the beginning, his explanation for how it comes about, who gets hypnotized and how to break through was helpful. That's what I've not been able to understand. The irrationality is SO frustrating to me and not knowing how to break through it is equally frustrating.
Your dentist comments reminded me that at the endodontist (root canal place), they didn't make me rinse my mouth out at all. I'm still trying to decide what to write on that surgical mask for when I go back in 10 days! 😁😂
You wouldn´t believe the amount of time I devoted to confronting people with data, journalists and doctors/virologist included, either by internet, telephone or in person. The ignorance of any relevant stat or study and the authority argument they do not earn by means of reasoning has been the worst part of the pandemic madness. Behind the facade there really can be an abysmal nothing...
I haven´t heard from Dr. Desmet, but tomorrow I´ll watch them:)
"The modern means of mass communication bring the entire world daily into each man's home; the techniques of propaganda and salesmanship have been refined and systematized; there is scarcely any hiding place from the constant visual and verbal assault on the mind. The pressures of daily life impel more and more people to seek an easy escape from responsibility and maturity."
From the book; The Rape of the Mind by Joost Meerloo.
Please do write a book. If humanity survives our current mass madness, future generations will find the record of your experiences valuable. Besides, I’d like to read about them.
Hello, TS. The doubt you express about Humanity maybe not surviving this madness is exactly what I was wondering about yesterday.
Hearing/watching/reading the scientific pundits (!) spreading the same unscientific crap in November 2021 than in March 2020, with arguments that already presume the indefinite character of these measures, made me realize precisely the possibility of Humanity not overcoming this trial, just not surviving such a tremendous amout of idiocy.
Besides, the new generations will only be prepared for a digital/virtual world, and will have no tools whatsoever to face real life shortenings or catastrophic events of any kind.
You know, every generation thinks it´s the chosen one to witness something extraordinary. Most of the times is not that way, but this time I am afraid it is. This might be it. And well, it´s been a good trip. Maybe it´s time for going back to Source.
World wide we have a disease that takes people with very specific preexisting health problems predominantly linked to lifestyle choices. The world wide response to this disease exasperated these problems. The lockdowns have increases obesity in not only adults but children too. Lack of vitamins D is a factor, yet we are forced to stay indoors decreasing our access to naturally occurring creation of this vitamin. Inn short, the response most nations have adopted force us into a lifestyle that increases our risk of dying from Covid.
Much the same with masks. They are not only not at all helpful against viruses, they are not benign. I am certain treat the number of people dying of treatable bacterial infections form their masks being treated and dying of Covid is significant. But, we are likely to never know. We are being forced to use a mask which overuse of increases risk for bacterial and fungal infection of lungs which in turn are counted as Covid cases and deaths which increases the fear level causing more people to wear them more often.
The vaccines are also a grave concern, as you point out, but the shortages we are experiencing are going to be catastrophic. We have NEVER shut down the economy, they world wide economy before. So few people are producing anything. We, the entire world, are for the most part living off of what was produced before the shut downs, much of which is unable to get to the consumer due to the destruction of various links of supply chains.
Long before the panic, I have observed while driving around Japan that everyone working the fields are at the youngest, in their 50s. Most are quite elderly. I have long wondered what happens when they die off? Who is going to replace them. Same too with commercial fishing in Japan. Anytime there is an accident, the ages listed of those lost and survived are late 40s to 70s. The younger ranges of both of these trades are rare. Most performing these are the elderly.
Most younger generations of the industrialized world have no idea how to provide food from themselves beyond ordering it our microwaving prepared meals. While my wife can cook like few can, can we produce our own food in sufficient quantities? Doubtful. Can we do so and keep those less capable from robbing what we produce, highly unlikely.
Then we have former, and make no mistake, “former” is the correct term, democracies imposing martial law in all but name against their former citizens. Former citizens as they are now mere subjects.
Yes, we very well may be at the beginning of the end.
Thank you, TS. This is such an excellent post, and an accurate review of causes, effects, human behaviour and what to expect as an outcome of the largest mistake, in quality and quantity, Humanity´s ever done.
And while it is true that in my mind there´s little doubt that the destruction of economy is a necessary step in the transhumanists plans for the advent of Virtual Reality to a degree where it will become people´s only refuge from a real world where they have nothing spiritually or economically, I don´t totally rule out the idea that maybe the plan will swallow their own creators, and instead of a science-fiction dystopia with techno-elites and slaves, we´ll have one of mere survival for all, they included.
I guess we´ll just have to live day by day and see.
So disheartening to here this. I walked the Camino a few years ago from St. Jean Pied de Port to Santiago de Compostela & further to Finisterre. Absolutely the most incredible journey end to end and I had hoped to make my way back to Spain and buy property there in a few years. No doubt the whole pilgrimage opportunity/gift is no longer feasible. That's a tragic loss.
thank you, Laurie. Santiago de Compostela is a part of my province, and just 40 miles from my city.
I honestly don´t see things changing for the better, here or in any country. Conciliation is impossible, because no amount of scientific data or clever reasoning can compete with subconsciously tatooed fear. Besides, the younger generations are fascinated by the promises of mental/physical enhacement or even digital immortality, and they see wearing masks or not having freedom of movement as something totally normal or a small price to pay to join the transhuman army...
My take is there will be a partition of our species in people complying with that transhuman order (99% of our species) and 1 % who will manage to create some kind of retro-future in isolated communities. I might be wrong...
Yes. You are right on point here I believe. The public system has done a thorough job of indocrinating the young via education/public health/media while we stood by oblivious to my great sadness. If not for the Holy Spirit, I would also be wandering about. God is choosing now and our fates have been delivered.
True. the only thing that gets me going is the fact that I always had a foot on the trascendental and one on mundane matters. I am so sorry for those with only a materialistic understanding of life, because extremely hard times are coming, and we all need the solid anchor of spirituality, whichever one has chosen.
Yes. Choices must be made. There is no neutral ground left to stand on. Ephesians 6:10 We do not wrestle against flesh and blood..Those of us who hear the call have been truly blessed. John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice and I know them and they follow me.
I have thought of this possibility, too. Here in the USA, if the cover-up and coercion continues, I see a real split happening. Short of a civil war, we'll create our safe zones with natural humans, outside of the big cities. There is plenty of land to set up these communities. I do worry about the teenagers and young adults, though. The goal is to have vibrant communities with people of all ages, enjoying the fruits of their labor.
I think many of us dissidents have made a mistake, which is analyzing the present situation with regards to old stories. This time is different. We are not a brave minority fighting against an oppressor while being silently cheered by the oppressed majority. The majority thinks we are nutcases who get in the way of their going back to a normal life (this is the reasoning of adults) or in the way of an amazing, futurist life with no need to take care of anything besides immersing in virtual reality technology (the younger people).
So no, there won´t be parades for us, haha...They want us away, and there will come a time where we won´t even be able to buy first need items without a vaccine certificate and a mask. So we´ll have to retire to communities and start over. And you know what? Maybe it is the best that could have happened.
I have been wanting to take my teenagers to Spain and a few other countries in Western Europe but that dream has been put in a cryogenic chamber. I value our life and health much more than travel. Although I do worry that my 19 y.o. daughter may give in next year IF the vax mandates are not removed.
Yup, it's a struggle. At least, my 17 y.o. elite athlete believes me when I've shown him all the reports of top athletes collapsing in the field or dying right after a game. He knows what's at stake. This week, he turned down an invite to participate in a European choir tour next summer (hosted by Oregon State University) because the toxic jab is required to enter Germany, etc. I'm not sure how much longer I'll be able to convince them that the world will come to its senses and that vax passports will be revoked. I pray that they'll hold the line and won't succumb to the intense coercion. He's a junior olympian with big dreams in his sport. What happens IF the Olympic Committee decides to force the jabs without allowing PCR testing?
Hello. The problem is not that all behave that weirdly (which, thank God, is not the case), but the unquestioned compliance of nearly every Spaniard, with a total 100% of the media living at the expense of creating fear. The result is people just accepting that "life" is this. It´s like life pre-2020 does not exist.
I was afraid at first, too, but hate masks, so I only wore it at stores where they handed them out (Walmart) and shopped at a store one town over, where they never asked to wear one. they won a good customer! Now it amazes me that, even though there has not been a mandate for quite some time, people still wear them. I really had to laugh out when I noticed a man in the middle of the woods with a mask on.
learn from it, I'd say. we must all learn from it. these are the people we are condemned to live with. we are seeing the true nature of our compatriots. after this is over, if it ever is, they'll still be the same. don't ever be fooled again, don't ever again expect something different from them.
This is hte exact notion that frightens me. When I look around and see my own countrymen so utterly fooled and hopeless. It makes me feel like there's no hope. That the brainwashing and propaganda are too strong.
Yep. I guess the hope is in the idea that at least we can see somewhat clearly now. We have been living in a dream, it seems. Now we can see reality, somewhat. That's for the good. It is a starting point. We can't behave rationally ourselves until we have a true appreciation of the realities can we?
Good point. But, will they be available? In Spain I do not think you can get HCQ or Ivermectine. No doctor will prescribe that. The only way is get the jab.
Prophylactic protocols: years and years, just in case... No, thanks.
Early tratment if I get the illness: Yes! I have done my research (FLCCC+AAPS(McCullogh)+Zelenko). Being healthy and 50- you are done with Vit. C, Vit. D, Zinc Sulfate and Quercetine. I cannot access Zn nor Q...
i find 'indiamart' online puts us in touch with many suppliers and i have done two good transactions, got the right stuff at the right price and promptly. I get quotes from selected possible suppliers first and I must say that I've had quotes that are twice the price I'd have to pay domestically, retail for some things. So you can get there but exercise a little caution and discretion.
I had Covid in August and got low-dose ivermectin (stromectol) at the pharmacy with no prescription — but they didn’t make it easy because it was sold out almost everywhere!
i found a pharmacy in andorra that had ivm but i believe you did need a prescription. also, i am not sure you would receive the medication considering customs denied me the delivery of some plain make-up coming from the us only about 4 weeks ago.
i thought so, too. i had no idea. it appears to be a new regulation that started this summer. you can bring it in when you visit but you cannot have it shipped. it makes lsense. not.
Good, glad you knew that. You cannot get quercetin in Spain? Can you order from the USA or elsewhere? You can get ivermectin from India without a prescription, but you're right about doctors not prescribing it except through telemedicine here - FLCCC and AFLDS - America's Frontline Doctors. I don't do ivermectin prophylactic, just all the other supplements including quercetin and zinc.
Quercetin: they have some in Costco Spain, but I do not know if the dose is appropriate. I need 500 mg. I have to go to the store and check.
I do not think you can order medicines from abroad. And I am a bit afraid of doing so. Even from the US, let alone 3rd world countries. But it seems it is my only option at the moment.
I have read that IVM prophylactic can be substituted by Nigella Sativa (FLCCC) but I do not want to take something day after day after day.
I understand about the reluctance to order from India or elsewhere. So far people I know have had success. My friends have gotten ivermectin from India, in fact one got her order this week and she placed the order 10/22. I placed an order w/the same place recently. I take 250mg. of quercetin daily as does my husband. Here's a link for the Florida Covid Summit from 6 November. Toward the end there is a question/answer time and one doctor, Bruce Boros came to the microphone and said he's taken ivermectin prophylactically for 16 months and has never felt better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOAdIYxvSYU&t=279s This is SEVEN hours! but you can skim through it and find the speakers you want to hear. It is really worth watching.
yep, I got some and sampled and I really think I feel better for it ! Like, nothing to do with covid. There's no covid here. Perhaps I had some internal parasites and it's killed them? Perhaps it's good for us in other ways?
Well, it's one of the safest medicines out there, so it's not going to hurt you! I saw another commenter some weeks ago who used Indiamart. It looked kind of intimidating to me so I went with buyivermectin.us which is what someone else used. People are REALLY getting shafted by pharmacies in the US. That's if they can get it filled too. I've used GoodRx for what we got, but CVS filled part of the script and then shafted me for the rest - $19 for 8 3mg. pills! I bought 100 12mg. pills at the site above for $80 plus $30 shipping.
Thanks!! I will listen to that in the office. The thing is, did your friends get IVM or something else? That is my main concern.
I have come to a conclusion regarding the medicines I need. Now I have to take the next step, try to find them. I will visit costco to see if their quercetine fits. And then, regarding IVM, you can substitute it with hidroxicloroquine, maybe be HCQ is easier here…
You might have more luck getting Bimectin (the horse paste, which is pure ivermectin & perfectly ok for humans if you make sure you adjust the dose) - that is what I did, here in Australia where IVM is also not available & they are very strict about importing drugs. Also, I got bulk Ascorbic Acid and Quercetin from ebay - these are not considered pharmaceuticals (not yet!) so there is not the same concern from Customs.
They got ivermectin. I've not looked into HCQ much. McCullough and others talk about many other drugs that can be used in place of Iv or HCQ. Zelenko used HCQ until Cuomo banned it and that's how he found quercetin. Zinc needs a mechanism to get into the cells to stop virus replication and that's how Iv, HCQ and Quercetin function. Like they all say, it's good to have a covid preparedness kit ready so if you do get infected you're not scrambling. The best thing you can do is build up your immune system and I keep hearing Dr. Ryan Cole say to avoid sugar and high fructose corn syrup - the favorites of Americans which is why 40% are obese. Vitamin D is foundational. I'd encourage you to use one protocol and stick with it as there are a bunch out there and it starts getting confusing.
Yes. But I wanted to study all of them. That is how I reach the conclusion that quercetine cannot substitute IVM/HCQ if you are very sick. I will follow your advice with sugar. Vitamine D do not know how to proceed. The weather is here very nice and the sun shines a lot even in winter. I try to walk in the sun everyday but I do not know if that is enough. A test is annoying (blood test) so maybe I am taking supplements.
I don't know how to advise on Spain and Vitamin D. You should research that. We are at 41 degrees latitude and I just increased my Vit D to 6-7000IU daily. I was taking 5-6000IU. My 25-hydroxy Vit D level is 75 which is awesome. My doctor is captured by Big Pharma though and told me to stop supplementing again this year. I ignore her. My pharmacist who I trust, wants everyone at 70-80. I'm happy to pay what my insurance won't cover to know my level. Isn't it stupid though that Vit D is so foundational to one's immune system that health insurance companies won't pay for the test??!! It's because our US health system is all about SICKNESS, not WELLNESS. Okay, I'm starting to rant....but I just looked at a world map and Madrid is about the same latitude - 41, so you should be supplementing through the winter months at least. I hope that helps! 🙏
But the weather is not only about latitude. Here it is very sunny the whole year. I have to check if the winter sun is strong enough, though. But, still, taking some supplements during the winter sounds reasonable. I already have them from Costco.
Exactly. So many are so afraid of dying that they have stopped living. I am so sad and infuriated for my kids. The oldest has spent 1/4 of his life in the madness. They are so scared of covid that they keep asking when they can get the vaccine and wear there masks everywhere. At least I finally got them to stop yelling “Daddy, Daddy, Masku! Masku!”, every time we go on the train.
Shasta, I live in Spain too. At school, my kids have to wear a mask both indoors AND outdoors. My son’s friend is currently over for a play date at our house and won’t take his mask off. Impressive stamina.
I do not allow people to wear masks in my home. My sons fiance attempted to last fall and I said, "Young lady, if you are wearing that mask to protect yourself from us, you should leave until you are comfortable to be around us mask-free. If you are wearing it because you think you may make us sick you should not be leaving your house."
She removed it.
She is 23. They got married this fall. She definitely had covid last september. She got pregnant this spring. She vaxxed in july. She is an idiot without an independent thought in her head. She voted for brandon.
Prayers that the baby is ok. But it might be years before they know what they’ve done. My oldest daughter, who is a speech path, is a mask nazi. Her 4 little boys wear them everywhere. We can’t even talk about it anymore. When they came to visit last spring I kept pulling the masks down and telling the boys, “you don’t have to wear them here”. Her husband is phd in medical research. And they got vaxxed as soon as it was available. And told me to quit sending propaganda when I forwarded Alex Berensons data. The most educated people I know with no common sense
Hi, Catmac. My condolences for being in Spain, as I am. You can see what I told Shasta.
Reading/watching every single day that masks are the best weapon against Covid, when there is no scientific basis whatsoever, and tons (I mean, TONS) of data telling otherwise (there is not a single infection line worldwide that shows the slightest variation before/after masking use) is driving me crazy:)
Yes, I agree. Studies, research showing they cause damage. But what's the use? 'They' don't want to look at reason. Simple as that. They are devoted to madness.
Masks are the perfect example.
For ALL masks have methods of use, place, time, purpose of use, procedures for use, etc...
NONE of that is ever applied to the ubiquitous covid face mask use we're surrounded by.
But not following all the prescribed procedures make ANY mask fairly useless from the word go: it is STIPULATED by the manufacturers, by the whole of mask theory: right mask, right time, right conditions, right protocols etc..
Nope.
No use trying to talk to them
It is not journalistic exaggeration, it is not flight of fancy, it is simple truth: we are living in times of insanity, we are living in a lunatic asylum amongst the willfully insane.
Unfortunately, that´s exactly the case. In my opinion, there exists, for the first time in History, the technological development that allows for global manipulation at the highest scale. We are living the modification and erasing of all that gets in the way of the transhumanist plans of Big Tech, and there is little we can do, when slaves are so happily chaining themselves with the ropes they´re being handed over by elites.
Hola Purple Man. I agree that Spaniards were easily fed the narrative: all the media had to do was threaten them with killing their beloved abuelos and they immediately complied. But unlike North America, it’s not virtue-signalling in Spain. Their unquestioning obedience is more likely a relic of the intergenerational trauma of franquismo. Spaniards of that heavy era learned to shut up and keep their heads down to stay alive because the ones who didn’t, didnt. So the survivors passed on their coping mechanisms to their children and grandchildren without ever telling anyone the reasons, the stories too painful and dangerous to tell. There is a lot of residual pain and frustration in the Spanish social consciousness, but I am very grateful to live here and feel it healing.
This is not the first time I heard this reasoning about some kind of subconscious mechanism after decades of dictatorship. I did not lived those times, and there are several ways to interpret those historical events, but yes, there could be some truth to your argument.
I thought about the Franco 'legacy' but was afraid to mention it. I agree with you. I also believe that the Catholic mindset so bent on obedience sets the stage for unquestioned compliance.
Catholisim has been a wolf in sheep's clothing. Bringing us God while denying us His wisdom. The word of God, seldom taught can be found in the Bible and not through religion, more and more. They should not be confused or assumed to be the same. This chess match goes way back to Genesis 3.
Shasta, I live in Southwest Michigan. There remain here a 50/50 mask donners. This time last year I was the only one not wearing one. It is not a law, just an "ask", you know, for the "common farce". Anyhow...
This question for you, as one who lives in Spain, is off-topic (and yet, not) but I am wondering if you have read the novel "The Cypress Believe in God" by Jose Gironella? It is about a middle class family living in Girona when the Spanish Civil War breaks out. It does a nice job of relating how different people are drawn into different "sides" (apparently, there were more than 2).
Here masks are compulsory indoors. I have not tried to put it off, I just wear it badly so that the air flows perfectly in and out...
People are scared and it is difficult to change that. That, I can understand. I honestly do not want to get that virus, it can get nasty. But the alternative is to live with fear... for how long? I think years or forever (a good vaccine can never appear, like AIDS). Better treatments, yes, but when? I am not going to wait for that in order to live my life. Also, I want my kids to live in the same world I have lived in, with normal interactions with other people.
Hi, Shasta. Are you from Spain or are you just living here temporally?
I am Spanish (La Coruña), and I can confirm everything you say. Spain is a total mess, and we´re one bad season away from politicians creating a legal frame to make them compulsory forever, at least in winter, and people will love it. The rupture of reasoning, the fall of common sense is total due to 24/7 of media fearmongering, with the lowest level of scientific understanding or moral principles one can conceive.
I´ve never used them outdoors when they were conpulsory, in a country with a 100% compliance, so you can imagine how my life was for a year... I could write a book. People violently mad or totally scared. I´ve seen waves of people just dissapearing from my sidewalk like I was Jesus performing the Red Sea miracle, when they saw me maskless, girls jumping from the promenade to the sand, women crying, or hiding behind trees, scuffles with the police... Total hell.
Oh my, yes, total hell. Last December, we were in FL for vacation, you know the state with no mandates. We were birdwatching on a couple of OUTSIDE nature boardwalks and our adult son who is as non-compliant as I am and I were not 50 ft. in and people were screaming at us to put masks on. I told the "Karens" to move along and he just ignored them and kept walking. At another point, some old guy threateningly told him to put on one and he said "no" and kept walking. He said to me, "what was that geezer going to do, fight me? I'm 6'4" and 210 pounds!" At the next one, some guy in a wheelchair asked me to put one on and I said, "no, I'm outside, it's not necessary." This guy had had covid already and then basically wished it on me. This has revealed the authoritarian, maliciousness in people and I wish they'd look in the mirror and see the haters they have become, but all they can see is their virtue and self-righteousness.
Even now with no mandates, probably 50% of people are wearing face diapers which is why I hate going shopping. My gym seems to be the only place where I don't feel like I'm living in an outdoor insane asylum as soon as I walk out of my house.
Thank you for your the take on Florida. I honestly did not expect that 50% in a place that is, along with S. Dakota, Texas, or Sweden in Europe, the reference for us.
Good luck.
Keep in mind the Florida account is from last December. What I cited about 50% face diaper use where I live is in Northern Indiana - supposedly a Red state, but we have a RINO (Republican in Name Only) governor who has been clueless and missing in action most of the time. Thankfully, we have an attorney general who has a spine.
I'm in northern Indiana also and in the two towns I frequent haven't seen many face diapers for several months now. If only the employees were freed then I might feel like things were back to normal.
I hear you on the RINO. That guy is better missing than handing out mandates.
Glad to hear your experience, but it seems to be increasing here. I'm guessing it will just get worse as the cold weather progresses. I am considering walking up to strangers wearing them and handing out my early treatment resource slips. We'll see how that goes!
People will self punish. I see lone drivers in their own vehicle wearing a mask simply out of propagandized fear.
Spanish. I also left the mask before it became optional. My baby was showing a strange behavior in the street. He was a different baby at home. I think he thought that the street was a no-face place. So that was it for me. But I had no issues. Just once a girl got a bit scared.
Thank you for the reply.
The foremost thing is being able to get through a winter where they will manipulate (again) the cumulative incidence and death figures. If we can surf the media/medical/political madness these 4 months, maybe March will be different. Good luck to you:)
Media is easy. I do not watch TV. That have forced me t get the info in alternative media, not always the best option, but still better. I do not read news about Corona, I actually have little or no idea about the situation of the disease in Spain. I can even deal with the restrictions, I will not comply. Period. My only concern is that my loved ones are strong enough to refuse the jab, whatever it takes. Good luck to you too! See you around!
ihope i am wrong but i fear that this is the winter in which the government, or at least some autonomic govs, will try to implement the covid pass. catalonia has already announced that as soon as our icus get to 100 covid patients, they will mandate it for restaurants, coffeeshops, gyms. there were about 90 a couple of weeks ago. rigt now it is mandatory to get into clubs and i am not sure about concerts. i hope that, if that is the case, the supreme court overrules them much like it ended up happening in your area but rendering that useless will only take a change in legislation, which, well, it is not like we have not seen that before over here.
i am also an spaniard but in bcn. i used to be hooked to several news radio shows accross the political spectrum. i had to stop listening to them. the most frigtening thing wasn't even the ignorant comments of the journalists but regular people calling for more and harsher mandates.
many people on the street still wear masks. i overheard a conversation in the gym today, two guys in their early 40s, in shape. they were blaming people's behaviour from covid not going away. not a shadow of a doubt that perhaps it is this idiotic approach what's brought us here. it is the people's fault, despite the almost 90% vax rate and spain having had very strict lockdowns and masks mandates and how compliant and obedient all of us are -- my hat goes off to you purple man, i did not use a mask outdoors other tan early in the morning when there was just very few people out in order to avoid what you did endure.
mind you, we've been working out with masks for many months by now. only a few weeks ago did the catalan gov allow for not using a mask at the gym as long as you're working out by yourself. still, many people still wear it even when no one is close to them. exercising with a mask, another winner that surely does improve your health.
Hello, Agustina!
Yeah, exercising or living with a mask...What a great idea. How could human being not realize it before?
You know, it takes new words to express the astonishment for a sciencific class that, in one year, has agreed with (and pushed) the notion that the best social health strategy is interfering with the very basis of life and health itself (breathing), wearing a mask full of bacteriae and fungus all day, every day, destroying your dreams, your economy, shutting down culture and spirituality, having you locked up in your own house without receiving fresh air or sun... To say it is crazy is not enough:)
It is my understanding that there is an obvious technocratic movement that tries to make human interaction or interaction with the environment as uncomfortable as for us not desiring it anymore, so that we´d end up at home, having nothing in our real lives, and depending on virtual reality like junkies, where we´ll be gods.
I am a totally calm, stable person, but there were times when I understood the feeling of madness, of irreality, of being in a lucid dream. I particularly remember a Saturday, October/November 2020, when I walked downtown in La Coruña, which was as crowded as it could be, and people literally starting acting like Jack Nicholson in "As good as it gets", or "Mejor imposible", as we called in Spain. Do you remember the way he walked to avoid contact? There were nasty comments, yes, but especially families leaving the sidewalk in fear, old people stopping and protecting with their arms in front of their faces, etc. Hundreds of people and I could have walked swinging my arms and I would not touch anybody...I stopped and started laughing like a maniac, imitating them. I swear it felt unreal.
Regarding your other post, yes, this winter is going to be decissive. I lost all hope of a miracle. Official stats are so easily manipulable that no way they are going to dismantle a legal, argumentative, scientific, mediatic scaffolding that has been proved so succesful. Actually it´ll go worse, because, as I already told people in 2020, it serves for any other inoculated fear, especially flu and viral pneumonia. And that´s where we are now...
See you around, Agustina. Good luck and thanks for the comments:)
someone else mentioned it, but you should write a book, or at least a post, of what it was like for you to walk around without a mask. i can only imagine but, as these past few months have proven, my imagination fell short of what my fellow citizens re capable of. i am confident the truth will come to light but by then, it'll probably be too late. in the meantime, i am already making peace with the fact that i might never go to a cinema, gym, coffeshop or restaurant again and that i must leave the city sooner than later. and that my circle of friendships will be greatly reduced i might rarely see them. would love to be proven wrong, though.
knowing there are other spaniards on this boat, though, is comforting.
Totally agree with both the comfort in seeing Spaniards with similar mindset and especially with the slow, painful process of understanding that it is truly a possibility that I might never do all those things you mention again. And although I am basically a lone wolf, I am so lucky that my mother, my brother and my best friend all are on this boat too.
Anyway, this whole mess the world has become has thrown me even deeper into the abyss of meditation and the mystical side of us, and I know there are many to whom this has happened too, so in the long run, who knows? Something better, more intimate, might have been giving their first steps for all of us renegades:)
See you around, Agustina:)
I read your accounts of life in Spain and it gives me perspective that it's not so bad in the USA where we live with only "suggested" masks at stores. Medical offices of any type are another story though. I get by with a face shield at the doctor's practice, but I was forced to put on a surgical mask at an endodontist's office. The chairs in the waiting room were covered in plastic! I started laughing. I said to the dental assistant, "Wow, people are really scared here." and she said, "I'm not." I said, "well whoever is in charge of the waiting room sure is. The chairs are covered in plastic." I have to go back in 2 weeks to finish the root canal and I want to write "Let's go Brandon!" on the mask they gave me. My husband would prefer I write something else. He suggested "virus stopper" and I said I'd draw a bunch of laughing/crying emojis underneath the words.
I am sorry you all in Spain are living in such a nightmare.
Hi, Birdingmom. Thanks for your take. It soothes me to hear accounts from people living different situations. It really does.
I´d point out that the problem is not so much that Spain is living in a nightmare. If that were the case, we would all wake up sooner or later by force. The problem is that only a handful of us live in a nightmare, while 99,99% are totally involved in the process of making this situation chronic, either by submission through fear/depression or by total gullibility regarding the official narrative (vast majority who DO believe that they´re doing temporary sacrifices in order to have their lives back...)
I understand and I am so sorry. Have you watched any of Dr. Mattias Desmet's interviews about mass formation? There is not much advice in this one as far as how to break through to these people, but it is encouraging to know that we might be able to break through to the 40% he estimates is just going along. I have saved another link for an interview with him but haven't watched it - I get more behind all the time! He suggests continuing to confront people with facts/data to try to diminish the hypnosis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDpZ8daIVM
https://jermwarfare.com/blog/mattias-desmet This is the one I've not listened to, a podcast.
thanks for what you've shared. as purple man says, the 'scary' thing in spain is how oblivious everyone is to the fact that the official narrative does not make sense. no one questions anything and the fact that numbers are raising in europe right now is put on the unvaccinated.
thankfully, there's been no talk about mandating the vaccine to work like in italy or in the usa, but, who knows if they'll come to be. austria just banned unvaccinated people from leaving their house at all. even to buy groceries which... how can that even be constitutional?
i've also been undergoing dental treatment for the past few months and the policy there is hand sanitizer, which i pretend to use and, 'funnily' enough, a friend from the use just sent me some news from msm in which the fda warns about benzene in hand sanitizers s it's directly linked to causing leukemia in humans (!). like in your case, a mask is mandatory and you also have to rinse with some antibacterial solution before the dentist sees you. they also take your temperature. nevertheless, my dentist once asked me if it was okay if she took the lask off because she was too uncomfortable and i said 'please do', so...
I hope you're able to watch the first link with Dr. Desmet. Even though I've been seeing the mass delusional psychosis from almost the beginning, his explanation for how it comes about, who gets hypnotized and how to break through was helpful. That's what I've not been able to understand. The irrationality is SO frustrating to me and not knowing how to break through it is equally frustrating.
Your dentist comments reminded me that at the endodontist (root canal place), they didn't make me rinse my mouth out at all. I'm still trying to decide what to write on that surgical mask for when I go back in 10 days! 😁😂
Hi!
You wouldn´t believe the amount of time I devoted to confronting people with data, journalists and doctors/virologist included, either by internet, telephone or in person. The ignorance of any relevant stat or study and the authority argument they do not earn by means of reasoning has been the worst part of the pandemic madness. Behind the facade there really can be an abysmal nothing...
I haven´t heard from Dr. Desmet, but tomorrow I´ll watch them:)
Thank you very much and good night!
Yes, I can believe it, Purple Man! It starts to feel like you're beating your head against the wall until it feels good.
You're welcome, I hope it's helpful.
"The modern means of mass communication bring the entire world daily into each man's home; the techniques of propaganda and salesmanship have been refined and systematized; there is scarcely any hiding place from the constant visual and verbal assault on the mind. The pressures of daily life impel more and more people to seek an easy escape from responsibility and maturity."
From the book; The Rape of the Mind by Joost Meerloo.
Please do write a book. If humanity survives our current mass madness, future generations will find the record of your experiences valuable. Besides, I’d like to read about them.
Hello, TS. The doubt you express about Humanity maybe not surviving this madness is exactly what I was wondering about yesterday.
Hearing/watching/reading the scientific pundits (!) spreading the same unscientific crap in November 2021 than in March 2020, with arguments that already presume the indefinite character of these measures, made me realize precisely the possibility of Humanity not overcoming this trial, just not surviving such a tremendous amout of idiocy.
Besides, the new generations will only be prepared for a digital/virtual world, and will have no tools whatsoever to face real life shortenings or catastrophic events of any kind.
You know, every generation thinks it´s the chosen one to witness something extraordinary. Most of the times is not that way, but this time I am afraid it is. This might be it. And well, it´s been a good trip. Maybe it´s time for going back to Source.
Things certainly are different this time.
World wide we have a disease that takes people with very specific preexisting health problems predominantly linked to lifestyle choices. The world wide response to this disease exasperated these problems. The lockdowns have increases obesity in not only adults but children too. Lack of vitamins D is a factor, yet we are forced to stay indoors decreasing our access to naturally occurring creation of this vitamin. Inn short, the response most nations have adopted force us into a lifestyle that increases our risk of dying from Covid.
Much the same with masks. They are not only not at all helpful against viruses, they are not benign. I am certain treat the number of people dying of treatable bacterial infections form their masks being treated and dying of Covid is significant. But, we are likely to never know. We are being forced to use a mask which overuse of increases risk for bacterial and fungal infection of lungs which in turn are counted as Covid cases and deaths which increases the fear level causing more people to wear them more often.
The vaccines are also a grave concern, as you point out, but the shortages we are experiencing are going to be catastrophic. We have NEVER shut down the economy, they world wide economy before. So few people are producing anything. We, the entire world, are for the most part living off of what was produced before the shut downs, much of which is unable to get to the consumer due to the destruction of various links of supply chains.
Long before the panic, I have observed while driving around Japan that everyone working the fields are at the youngest, in their 50s. Most are quite elderly. I have long wondered what happens when they die off? Who is going to replace them. Same too with commercial fishing in Japan. Anytime there is an accident, the ages listed of those lost and survived are late 40s to 70s. The younger ranges of both of these trades are rare. Most performing these are the elderly.
Most younger generations of the industrialized world have no idea how to provide food from themselves beyond ordering it our microwaving prepared meals. While my wife can cook like few can, can we produce our own food in sufficient quantities? Doubtful. Can we do so and keep those less capable from robbing what we produce, highly unlikely.
Then we have former, and make no mistake, “former” is the correct term, democracies imposing martial law in all but name against their former citizens. Former citizens as they are now mere subjects.
Yes, we very well may be at the beginning of the end.
Thank you, TS. This is such an excellent post, and an accurate review of causes, effects, human behaviour and what to expect as an outcome of the largest mistake, in quality and quantity, Humanity´s ever done.
And while it is true that in my mind there´s little doubt that the destruction of economy is a necessary step in the transhumanists plans for the advent of Virtual Reality to a degree where it will become people´s only refuge from a real world where they have nothing spiritually or economically, I don´t totally rule out the idea that maybe the plan will swallow their own creators, and instead of a science-fiction dystopia with techno-elites and slaves, we´ll have one of mere survival for all, they included.
I guess we´ll just have to live day by day and see.
So disheartening to here this. I walked the Camino a few years ago from St. Jean Pied de Port to Santiago de Compostela & further to Finisterre. Absolutely the most incredible journey end to end and I had hoped to make my way back to Spain and buy property there in a few years. No doubt the whole pilgrimage opportunity/gift is no longer feasible. That's a tragic loss.
thank you, Laurie. Santiago de Compostela is a part of my province, and just 40 miles from my city.
I honestly don´t see things changing for the better, here or in any country. Conciliation is impossible, because no amount of scientific data or clever reasoning can compete with subconsciously tatooed fear. Besides, the younger generations are fascinated by the promises of mental/physical enhacement or even digital immortality, and they see wearing masks or not having freedom of movement as something totally normal or a small price to pay to join the transhuman army...
My take is there will be a partition of our species in people complying with that transhuman order (99% of our species) and 1 % who will manage to create some kind of retro-future in isolated communities. I might be wrong...
Yes. You are right on point here I believe. The public system has done a thorough job of indocrinating the young via education/public health/media while we stood by oblivious to my great sadness. If not for the Holy Spirit, I would also be wandering about. God is choosing now and our fates have been delivered.
True. the only thing that gets me going is the fact that I always had a foot on the trascendental and one on mundane matters. I am so sorry for those with only a materialistic understanding of life, because extremely hard times are coming, and we all need the solid anchor of spirituality, whichever one has chosen.
Yes. Choices must be made. There is no neutral ground left to stand on. Ephesians 6:10 We do not wrestle against flesh and blood..Those of us who hear the call have been truly blessed. John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice and I know them and they follow me.
I have thought of this possibility, too. Here in the USA, if the cover-up and coercion continues, I see a real split happening. Short of a civil war, we'll create our safe zones with natural humans, outside of the big cities. There is plenty of land to set up these communities. I do worry about the teenagers and young adults, though. The goal is to have vibrant communities with people of all ages, enjoying the fruits of their labor.
Thank you, MLL. This will happen sooner or later.
I think many of us dissidents have made a mistake, which is analyzing the present situation with regards to old stories. This time is different. We are not a brave minority fighting against an oppressor while being silently cheered by the oppressed majority. The majority thinks we are nutcases who get in the way of their going back to a normal life (this is the reasoning of adults) or in the way of an amazing, futurist life with no need to take care of anything besides immersing in virtual reality technology (the younger people).
So no, there won´t be parades for us, haha...They want us away, and there will come a time where we won´t even be able to buy first need items without a vaccine certificate and a mask. So we´ll have to retire to communities and start over. And you know what? Maybe it is the best that could have happened.
I have been wanting to take my teenagers to Spain and a few other countries in Western Europe but that dream has been put in a cryogenic chamber. I value our life and health much more than travel. Although I do worry that my 19 y.o. daughter may give in next year IF the vax mandates are not removed.
I don't envy the job you have explaining the "long game" to the young. I didn't get it at 19 either..
Yup, it's a struggle. At least, my 17 y.o. elite athlete believes me when I've shown him all the reports of top athletes collapsing in the field or dying right after a game. He knows what's at stake. This week, he turned down an invite to participate in a European choir tour next summer (hosted by Oregon State University) because the toxic jab is required to enter Germany, etc. I'm not sure how much longer I'll be able to convince them that the world will come to its senses and that vax passports will be revoked. I pray that they'll hold the line and won't succumb to the intense coercion. He's a junior olympian with big dreams in his sport. What happens IF the Olympic Committee decides to force the jabs without allowing PCR testing?
That's truly pathetic! Are they all that stupid?
Hello. The problem is not that all behave that weirdly (which, thank God, is not the case), but the unquestioned compliance of nearly every Spaniard, with a total 100% of the media living at the expense of creating fear. The result is people just accepting that "life" is this. It´s like life pre-2020 does not exist.
I was afraid at first, too, but hate masks, so I only wore it at stores where they handed them out (Walmart) and shopped at a store one town over, where they never asked to wear one. they won a good customer! Now it amazes me that, even though there has not been a mandate for quite some time, people still wear them. I really had to laugh out when I noticed a man in the middle of the woods with a mask on.
Hey now! It is not polite to laugh at the insane. Probably not safe either.
He did not see me LOL
I envy you that you can still laugh at such things.
Don't envy me ! Laugh along ! A laughter a day keeps the doctor away... oh that was an apple I think. Laughter is the best medicine.
Well, I did laugh at your comment, so thanks. Have you seen the Far Side on that subject?
learn from it, I'd say. we must all learn from it. these are the people we are condemned to live with. we are seeing the true nature of our compatriots. after this is over, if it ever is, they'll still be the same. don't ever be fooled again, don't ever again expect something different from them.
This is hte exact notion that frightens me. When I look around and see my own countrymen so utterly fooled and hopeless. It makes me feel like there's no hope. That the brainwashing and propaganda are too strong.
Yep. I guess the hope is in the idea that at least we can see somewhat clearly now. We have been living in a dream, it seems. Now we can see reality, somewhat. That's for the good. It is a starting point. We can't behave rationally ourselves until we have a true appreciation of the realities can we?
Multiple early treatment protocols: FLCCC.net and earlycovidcare.org are 2 examples.
Prophylactic protocols there too.
Good point. But, will they be available? In Spain I do not think you can get HCQ or Ivermectine. No doctor will prescribe that. The only way is get the jab.
Prophylactic protocols: years and years, just in case... No, thanks.
Early tratment if I get the illness: Yes! I have done my research (FLCCC+AAPS(McCullogh)+Zelenko). Being healthy and 50- you are done with Vit. C, Vit. D, Zinc Sulfate and Quercetine. I cannot access Zn nor Q...
i find 'indiamart' online puts us in touch with many suppliers and i have done two good transactions, got the right stuff at the right price and promptly. I get quotes from selected possible suppliers first and I must say that I've had quotes that are twice the price I'd have to pay domestically, retail for some things. So you can get there but exercise a little caution and discretion.
I had Covid in August and got low-dose ivermectin (stromectol) at the pharmacy with no prescription — but they didn’t make it easy because it was sold out almost everywhere!
got elemmental zinc and quercetin out of amazon es, btw. i thought i'll keep it around just in case.
i found a pharmacy in andorra that had ivm but i believe you did need a prescription. also, i am not sure you would receive the medication considering customs denied me the delivery of some plain make-up coming from the us only about 4 weeks ago.
Insane that you can't even get makeup through customs!
i thought so, too. i had no idea. it appears to be a new regulation that started this summer. you can bring it in when you visit but you cannot have it shipped. it makes lsense. not.
See my reply to you and Purple Man.
Green Tea which contains ECGC will work as replacement for Quercetin.
Correction-EGCG -need new bifocals
Really? Link please
https://covid.us.org/2020/09/30/covid-19-and-green-tea-extract-egcg/
Good, glad you knew that. You cannot get quercetin in Spain? Can you order from the USA or elsewhere? You can get ivermectin from India without a prescription, but you're right about doctors not prescribing it except through telemedicine here - FLCCC and AFLDS - America's Frontline Doctors. I don't do ivermectin prophylactic, just all the other supplements including quercetin and zinc.
Quercetin: they have some in Costco Spain, but I do not know if the dose is appropriate. I need 500 mg. I have to go to the store and check.
I do not think you can order medicines from abroad. And I am a bit afraid of doing so. Even from the US, let alone 3rd world countries. But it seems it is my only option at the moment.
I have read that IVM prophylactic can be substituted by Nigella Sativa (FLCCC) but I do not want to take something day after day after day.
I understand about the reluctance to order from India or elsewhere. So far people I know have had success. My friends have gotten ivermectin from India, in fact one got her order this week and she placed the order 10/22. I placed an order w/the same place recently. I take 250mg. of quercetin daily as does my husband. Here's a link for the Florida Covid Summit from 6 November. Toward the end there is a question/answer time and one doctor, Bruce Boros came to the microphone and said he's taken ivermectin prophylactically for 16 months and has never felt better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOAdIYxvSYU&t=279s This is SEVEN hours! but you can skim through it and find the speakers you want to hear. It is really worth watching.
yep, I got some and sampled and I really think I feel better for it ! Like, nothing to do with covid. There's no covid here. Perhaps I had some internal parasites and it's killed them? Perhaps it's good for us in other ways?
Well, it's one of the safest medicines out there, so it's not going to hurt you! I saw another commenter some weeks ago who used Indiamart. It looked kind of intimidating to me so I went with buyivermectin.us which is what someone else used. People are REALLY getting shafted by pharmacies in the US. That's if they can get it filled too. I've used GoodRx for what we got, but CVS filled part of the script and then shafted me for the rest - $19 for 8 3mg. pills! I bought 100 12mg. pills at the site above for $80 plus $30 shipping.
Thanks!! I will listen to that in the office. The thing is, did your friends get IVM or something else? That is my main concern.
I have come to a conclusion regarding the medicines I need. Now I have to take the next step, try to find them. I will visit costco to see if their quercetine fits. And then, regarding IVM, you can substitute it with hidroxicloroquine, maybe be HCQ is easier here…
You might have more luck getting Bimectin (the horse paste, which is pure ivermectin & perfectly ok for humans if you make sure you adjust the dose) - that is what I did, here in Australia where IVM is also not available & they are very strict about importing drugs. Also, I got bulk Ascorbic Acid and Quercetin from ebay - these are not considered pharmaceuticals (not yet!) so there is not the same concern from Customs.
They got ivermectin. I've not looked into HCQ much. McCullough and others talk about many other drugs that can be used in place of Iv or HCQ. Zelenko used HCQ until Cuomo banned it and that's how he found quercetin. Zinc needs a mechanism to get into the cells to stop virus replication and that's how Iv, HCQ and Quercetin function. Like they all say, it's good to have a covid preparedness kit ready so if you do get infected you're not scrambling. The best thing you can do is build up your immune system and I keep hearing Dr. Ryan Cole say to avoid sugar and high fructose corn syrup - the favorites of Americans which is why 40% are obese. Vitamin D is foundational. I'd encourage you to use one protocol and stick with it as there are a bunch out there and it starts getting confusing.
Thank you all!
Yes. But I wanted to study all of them. That is how I reach the conclusion that quercetine cannot substitute IVM/HCQ if you are very sick. I will follow your advice with sugar. Vitamine D do not know how to proceed. The weather is here very nice and the sun shines a lot even in winter. I try to walk in the sun everyday but I do not know if that is enough. A test is annoying (blood test) so maybe I am taking supplements.
I don't know how to advise on Spain and Vitamin D. You should research that. We are at 41 degrees latitude and I just increased my Vit D to 6-7000IU daily. I was taking 5-6000IU. My 25-hydroxy Vit D level is 75 which is awesome. My doctor is captured by Big Pharma though and told me to stop supplementing again this year. I ignore her. My pharmacist who I trust, wants everyone at 70-80. I'm happy to pay what my insurance won't cover to know my level. Isn't it stupid though that Vit D is so foundational to one's immune system that health insurance companies won't pay for the test??!! It's because our US health system is all about SICKNESS, not WELLNESS. Okay, I'm starting to rant....but I just looked at a world map and Madrid is about the same latitude - 41, so you should be supplementing through the winter months at least. I hope that helps! 🙏
NO, keep ranting. It makes me sick to my stomach that people are literally trying to stop others from being well.
But the weather is not only about latitude. Here it is very sunny the whole year. I have to check if the winter sun is strong enough, though. But, still, taking some supplements during the winter sounds reasonable. I already have them from Costco.
Exactly. So many are so afraid of dying that they have stopped living. I am so sad and infuriated for my kids. The oldest has spent 1/4 of his life in the madness. They are so scared of covid that they keep asking when they can get the vaccine and wear there masks everywhere. At least I finally got them to stop yelling “Daddy, Daddy, Masku! Masku!”, every time we go on the train.
Shasta, I live in Spain too. At school, my kids have to wear a mask both indoors AND outdoors. My son’s friend is currently over for a play date at our house and won’t take his mask off. Impressive stamina.
I do not allow people to wear masks in my home. My sons fiance attempted to last fall and I said, "Young lady, if you are wearing that mask to protect yourself from us, you should leave until you are comfortable to be around us mask-free. If you are wearing it because you think you may make us sick you should not be leaving your house."
She removed it.
She is 23. They got married this fall. She definitely had covid last september. She got pregnant this spring. She vaxxed in july. She is an idiot without an independent thought in her head. She voted for brandon.
No thugs in my house.
Prayers that the baby is ok. But it might be years before they know what they’ve done. My oldest daughter, who is a speech path, is a mask nazi. Her 4 little boys wear them everywhere. We can’t even talk about it anymore. When they came to visit last spring I kept pulling the masks down and telling the boys, “you don’t have to wear them here”. Her husband is phd in medical research. And they got vaxxed as soon as it was available. And told me to quit sending propaganda when I forwarded Alex Berensons data. The most educated people I know with no common sense
I hope the baby is not harmed
I feel really really bad that you have to put up with that. No chick I marry will be having a mask on, that's for damn sure.
I'm so sorry, Amy! And I agree with Ivy.
Hi, Catmac. My condolences for being in Spain, as I am. You can see what I told Shasta.
Reading/watching every single day that masks are the best weapon against Covid, when there is no scientific basis whatsoever, and tons (I mean, TONS) of data telling otherwise (there is not a single infection line worldwide that shows the slightest variation before/after masking use) is driving me crazy:)
Yes, I agree. Studies, research showing they cause damage. But what's the use? 'They' don't want to look at reason. Simple as that. They are devoted to madness.
Masks are the perfect example.
For ALL masks have methods of use, place, time, purpose of use, procedures for use, etc...
NONE of that is ever applied to the ubiquitous covid face mask use we're surrounded by.
But not following all the prescribed procedures make ANY mask fairly useless from the word go: it is STIPULATED by the manufacturers, by the whole of mask theory: right mask, right time, right conditions, right protocols etc..
Nope.
No use trying to talk to them
It is not journalistic exaggeration, it is not flight of fancy, it is simple truth: we are living in times of insanity, we are living in a lunatic asylum amongst the willfully insane.
Thank you.
Unfortunately, that´s exactly the case. In my opinion, there exists, for the first time in History, the technological development that allows for global manipulation at the highest scale. We are living the modification and erasing of all that gets in the way of the transhumanist plans of Big Tech, and there is little we can do, when slaves are so happily chaining themselves with the ropes they´re being handed over by elites.
Hola Purple Man. I agree that Spaniards were easily fed the narrative: all the media had to do was threaten them with killing their beloved abuelos and they immediately complied. But unlike North America, it’s not virtue-signalling in Spain. Their unquestioning obedience is more likely a relic of the intergenerational trauma of franquismo. Spaniards of that heavy era learned to shut up and keep their heads down to stay alive because the ones who didn’t, didnt. So the survivors passed on their coping mechanisms to their children and grandchildren without ever telling anyone the reasons, the stories too painful and dangerous to tell. There is a lot of residual pain and frustration in the Spanish social consciousness, but I am very grateful to live here and feel it healing.
Thank you, Catmac.
This is not the first time I heard this reasoning about some kind of subconscious mechanism after decades of dictatorship. I did not lived those times, and there are several ways to interpret those historical events, but yes, there could be some truth to your argument.
I thought about the Franco 'legacy' but was afraid to mention it. I agree with you. I also believe that the Catholic mindset so bent on obedience sets the stage for unquestioned compliance.
Catholisim has been a wolf in sheep's clothing. Bringing us God while denying us His wisdom. The word of God, seldom taught can be found in the Bible and not through religion, more and more. They should not be confused or assumed to be the same. This chess match goes way back to Genesis 3.
Sad, isn’t it? Scary too.
Shasta, I live in Southwest Michigan. There remain here a 50/50 mask donners. This time last year I was the only one not wearing one. It is not a law, just an "ask", you know, for the "common farce". Anyhow...
This question for you, as one who lives in Spain, is off-topic (and yet, not) but I am wondering if you have read the novel "The Cypress Believe in God" by Jose Gironella? It is about a middle class family living in Girona when the Spanish Civil War breaks out. It does a nice job of relating how different people are drawn into different "sides" (apparently, there were more than 2).
Hey Amy, I'm in SB, IN.
No, I have not! But I have heard that it is a good one!
I had a good friend that read and loved it. I even thought about reading it, but I totally forgot.