worked with indigenous people for two years and have spent much time with them- I have never seen more garbage dumps, unkempt federal housing, obesity at a young age, drinking and pot smoking, and people in their hospital with diabetes in my life. Sure killed the vision I had of them being with the sun, moon and stars.... (but it's all my fault I know)
My favorite part about indigenous science is the part where you cut out a human heart to make the sun happy.
My favorite part about the first indigenous science moron, is that she’s “Mayan” but living in the PNW, so she’s literally a “Colonizer”.
My favorite part about the racist moron, is how she uses the science of western clothes, western photography, and western internet to broadcast how her stupid ancestors managed to make baskets…while holding a scythe made out of western steel.
Oh how cute… your indigenous sciency science science ancestors made baskets… which was around the time my ancestors were making the entirety of the modern world.
People should flood her comment section, “stop appropriating my culture” to everything she says.
Edit to add… I call it “the white man paradox”. The attempted narrative is, “White people stupid, white people inferior, white people not brave, white people no culture…. But white man defeated my people at every step of the way, enslaved my people, eradicated my people, and took all the power for themselves…”
In the spirit of looking for useful lessons from an enemy on the verge of defeat, their attitude towards 'indigenous ways of knowing' contains the seed of a useful stance. Tradition is absolutely not science, but the attitude of science towards tradition has been historically too uncharitable. Science has generally assumed everything outside of itself to be false until shown true; since it can often take science some amount of time to develop the tools necessary for quantitative investigation, the result is that much useful knowledge accumulated by the species over many tens of thousands of years is ignored or derided. This then leads to charlatans and well-intentioned reformers casting aside tested customs - as regards say child rearing, family formation and structure, and so on - in favor of modern 'scientific' models that often proved deeply flawed in practice.
My point is not that everything from tradition needs be accepted without question. However, it may be socially beneficial if the attitude of science towards tradition evolves into the more charitable 'true, until proven false'. That way we can use science to refine and improve the knowledge base, without casting away much of the knowledge base at the start.
There is a wealth of knowledge in ancient traditions, medical and scientific but it is not science. It is as much of a tragedy that this knowledge is not properly developed as it is a tragedy that science is now becoming whatever someone with money, power or influence wants it to be.
It's just cognitive dissonance. Typically these people are from upper middle class families and extremely privileged, as you can see from the one... they got a PhD from Georgetown. Just that alone (nevermind undergraduate) will run you 80-90k. These people are the so called "1%". So they want to compete in the oppression Olympics because that's en vogue, well their great grandmother's neighbor was from Guatemala or whatever, so shut up white man, you don't understand how hard it is for oppressed people like them. It's really just nonsense.
It's like a modern day version of rich white men telling poor starving workers to shut up, because they don't understand how hard it is to be one of Ayn Rand's great creators or whatever (not that these people create anything).
If I were a socialist, I'm pretty sure these are people I would consider as the class enemy.
"Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him -- you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning?"
Still the best damn explanation for the craziness of the modern world I've ever come across.
I’m a white male jewish wealthy father of two boys , middle aged heterosexual happily married unvaccinated medical doctor. I claim myself as the most marginalized and discriminated against group in the world ;). We shall over come...
If people are equal, ideas are not. If they were, the idea that I'm better than you would be equally true to the idea that we're equal. Some ideas are better than others.
These self-proclaimed activists for indigenous knowledge seem to be suffering from a complete lack of spiritual connection, which every wisdom tradition says is vital to resolving the confusion and fear that clearly afflicts them.
It's really best to leave them alone and walk the other way.
I had a liberal doctor gf 20+ years ago. Arguing, presenting facts is futile. I'm pretty sure she felt the same way. Turned into a relationship of sending links and books that the other would never read. Frustrating to say the least.
Case in point - she (single person) had 2 cars. As I'm being forced to recycle every can of beer, I said, "Isn't 2 cars bad for the environment? it takes twice the natural resources out of the ground to produce, twice the child labor, twice the gas to ship here, twice the shipping container space that could be used for other things, etc."
Her response, "No - I only drive one at a time." Uggh.
worked with indigenous people for two years and have spent much time with them- I have never seen more garbage dumps, unkempt federal housing, obesity at a young age, drinking and pot smoking, and people in their hospital with diabetes in my life. Sure killed the vision I had of them being with the sun, moon and stars.... (but it's all my fault I know)
My favorite part about indigenous science is the part where you cut out a human heart to make the sun happy.
My favorite part about the first indigenous science moron, is that she’s “Mayan” but living in the PNW, so she’s literally a “Colonizer”.
My favorite part about the racist moron, is how she uses the science of western clothes, western photography, and western internet to broadcast how her stupid ancestors managed to make baskets…while holding a scythe made out of western steel.
Oh how cute… your indigenous sciency science science ancestors made baskets… which was around the time my ancestors were making the entirety of the modern world.
People should flood her comment section, “stop appropriating my culture” to everything she says.
Edit to add… I call it “the white man paradox”. The attempted narrative is, “White people stupid, white people inferior, white people not brave, white people no culture…. But white man defeated my people at every step of the way, enslaved my people, eradicated my people, and took all the power for themselves…”
In the spirit of looking for useful lessons from an enemy on the verge of defeat, their attitude towards 'indigenous ways of knowing' contains the seed of a useful stance. Tradition is absolutely not science, but the attitude of science towards tradition has been historically too uncharitable. Science has generally assumed everything outside of itself to be false until shown true; since it can often take science some amount of time to develop the tools necessary for quantitative investigation, the result is that much useful knowledge accumulated by the species over many tens of thousands of years is ignored or derided. This then leads to charlatans and well-intentioned reformers casting aside tested customs - as regards say child rearing, family formation and structure, and so on - in favor of modern 'scientific' models that often proved deeply flawed in practice.
My point is not that everything from tradition needs be accepted without question. However, it may be socially beneficial if the attitude of science towards tradition evolves into the more charitable 'true, until proven false'. That way we can use science to refine and improve the knowledge base, without casting away much of the knowledge base at the start.
Alanna Cronk is either one of the greatest trolls or a meme coming to life.
Her basket weaving by the water picture lol.
Underwater basket weaving
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_basket_weaving
There is a wealth of knowledge in ancient traditions, medical and scientific but it is not science. It is as much of a tragedy that this knowledge is not properly developed as it is a tragedy that science is now becoming whatever someone with money, power or influence wants it to be.
It's just cognitive dissonance. Typically these people are from upper middle class families and extremely privileged, as you can see from the one... they got a PhD from Georgetown. Just that alone (nevermind undergraduate) will run you 80-90k. These people are the so called "1%". So they want to compete in the oppression Olympics because that's en vogue, well their great grandmother's neighbor was from Guatemala or whatever, so shut up white man, you don't understand how hard it is for oppressed people like them. It's really just nonsense.
It's like a modern day version of rich white men telling poor starving workers to shut up, because they don't understand how hard it is to be one of Ayn Rand's great creators or whatever (not that these people create anything).
If I were a socialist, I'm pretty sure these are people I would consider as the class enemy.
"Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him -- you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning?"
Still the best damn explanation for the craziness of the modern world I've ever come across.
I’m a white male jewish wealthy father of two boys , middle aged heterosexual happily married unvaccinated medical doctor. I claim myself as the most marginalized and discriminated against group in the world ;). We shall over come...
I know of no better indication that the barbarians are inside the gate than these lunatic heathens tomato-souping van Gogh’s “Sunflowers”:
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTdquzu-BXg
For those who would like more details on the University of Minnesota cult incantation, Tim Pool covered it here:
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5HRgi9JsW8
As a bokonist (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-my-karass), I especially appreciated the reference to bokonism as well as the kan-kan (the instrument that brings us together) this Substack represents 👐
"...they have been seeking to grab control of the asylum." Nailed it.
Thankfully, "this whole movement is done and most of society is done with it."
Let's not forget female genital mutilation as an indigenous practice.
If people are equal, ideas are not. If they were, the idea that I'm better than you would be equally true to the idea that we're equal. Some ideas are better than others.
This article is one of them -)
The fringe lunatics were always out there. It's just that the internet and social media artificially amplify the insanity.
@ejsmith
what/thef**k
These self-proclaimed activists for indigenous knowledge seem to be suffering from a complete lack of spiritual connection, which every wisdom tradition says is vital to resolving the confusion and fear that clearly afflicts them.
https://dystopianliving.substack.com/p/we-are-living-in-mythic-times
"Science" spelled as "séance".
It's really best to leave them alone and walk the other way.
I had a liberal doctor gf 20+ years ago. Arguing, presenting facts is futile. I'm pretty sure she felt the same way. Turned into a relationship of sending links and books that the other would never read. Frustrating to say the least.
Case in point - she (single person) had 2 cars. As I'm being forced to recycle every can of beer, I said, "Isn't 2 cars bad for the environment? it takes twice the natural resources out of the ground to produce, twice the child labor, twice the gas to ship here, twice the shipping container space that could be used for other things, etc."
Her response, "No - I only drive one at a time." Uggh.