You know what? This is something I can actually thank them for. I never questioned the safety of vaccines before, and now let’s just say my illusions have been dissolved:
While I have always been somewhat ‘vaccine hesitant’, I had no idea of the depth of the evil. I’m 65 and my kids were on the low end of the “vaccine schedule” in the late 1980s. The first time that I started to feel that something wasn’t right was when my youngest son turned 14 and they wanted to give him the HPV shot. When I questioned it I was told that I should “protect his future wife”. No-hard pass. I have had maybe 5 flu shots in my life, all due to employer mandates. I will NEVER take another shot, for anything. I trust my God created immune system.
I was told same for my 12 yr old son around 2010...by MY gynecologist! Seems the script was everywhere. " For future daughter in law's sake". 😳. Of course I stood firm at. "no". His (son's) own pediatrician went so far as to say I was being bad mother....right in front of him. LAST VISIT! (Fired him). 😌😅
Whenever a doctor prescribes meds that seem unnecessary -- assume they are sponsored by that company and are working towards an all expenses paid 'conference' to a luxury resort.
Should it be standard to ask - why are you prescribing this as it seems to be overkill / not needed -- and do you receive any incentives for doing so?
Yes! That’s what they said! I am thankful that my gut instinct to protect him was strong! I too have now read ‘Dissolving Illusions’ and done a lot of research on the subject. This corona mess opened my eyes to all of the corruption in Pharma, medicine, food industry, etc. I am a therapist and have witnessed the increase in autism rates over the years, not to mention the latest insanity around “gender”. The mental health world is captured too, and I am one of few who don’t play that game.
For girls to be healthy fertile future wives, it is far better for them to preserve their virginity than to submit to sketchy vaccines. Just saying....
and that jab too is not working. I saw a 30 something who had been damaged by the vaccine, recovered, only to find out a few years later she had the sickness it was meant to protect her from (I think it is in the vaxxed film)
I recall following the shot protocol early on with my sons, then as I learned more and came across NVIC and comments others were making, and noticing the ridiculous number of shots growing so quickly, I upped my researching and began refusing. I think there is just so much to dig through and seemingly not enough time for new parents to dig through it all.
I am glad I woke up and can pass along info I learn. In retrospect, I'm sure my sons had effects from their shots over the years- one has ADD (and he emphasizes NOT Hyperactive component per his doc...), and he also had intermittent tics (blinky behaviors) when younger and would periodically reemerge ln later years. I can see he is so on the spectrum, but functioning. He is fortunate it isn;'t worse. In retrospect, I also recall both of them playing with their fingers- staring at them trance-like. That disappeared and I never even thought to look at timing or when it started- it wasn't excessive- subtle, but with shot timing and all. It can be so obscure. Perhaps another interfering factor with all the other toxins out there. My husband also traveled a lot so I was more of a working single mom racing around, having to keep up with all that and he had no clue how vigilant one had to be with the health care system as one begins to notice the deception....one can't let their guard down. When this whole COVID thing hit and I was glued to reading up on it all, his initial scoffing turned to slowly waking up to reality. He had no idea of the pressures I had to endure with the doctors and the boys and shots..... We mom's have to really be so vigilant all the time with our kids....and it goes on and on with this corrupt system. When they get older, we can only pass info. along and cross our fingers they make the right choices for their health. I recall feeling so glad they made it through college and got out of it prior to all this mandating nonsense.
I agree with what you said about the mental health world too, Jennifer! Captured. It is everywhere. Hypervigilance is so necessary nowadays!
Your story of your sons sounds like my sons. He was 5 in 1989. Started with rolling of ankles, rolling eyes( to left), tucs, clearing his throat, obsession with his shoelaces being even, headaches, and more. Pediatrician said he was hyperactive. I said no way. Spent a year testing at UCONN HOSPITAL, no answers. Thankfully he outgrew most of it as he got older. Now mostly headaches. I never realized until I looked into this vaccine. I am so angry now. We didn't have instant access to info like we do now. My daughter whom I had in ' 89 seemed fine. God, I wish I knew what I do now. Now look at the children's vax schedule now. Horrifying!!
One of my sons, born in '98, had unusual headaches at times- seems preceded with aura - he did see a neurologist and is doing ok, really just weird visions and such- reminded me of Oliver Sacks' description in one of his books- "Hallucinations"- he (author) had them too, but not really pain, just weird visual senses and feeling wiped out afterwards. They are quite rare in occurrence now.
That eye rolling also was present with my older son like you mentioned ('94 birth), along with the blinky eyes. Also, I recall feeling he was a bit hyper and asked his speech therapist at the time (preschool) her thoughts and was told she felt it was just his exuberance coming through. Well, he always seemed a bit restless as a kid, but it never got him steered towards meds, thank God!
Yes, I am angry now as you. We were taken.....We were also lucky though.
They told me the same thing with my son. I responded "my son's future-wife's cervix is her responsibility." I just declined it for my daughter and told our doctor about the many lawsuits, of which she was unaware. To her credit though, she didn't argue or coerce. She looked at the vial and said "it expires in 2025, if you change your mind, its here." And then thanked me for making her aware of the issues with it.
What a great response! I am so stealing it and using it at my youngest kid's next appointment (when, after 5 years now of me refusing this stupid shot, they will give me the song and dance).
Why even bother taking your kid to the appointment? Is he or she ill? What is the goal of the appointment? For them to push needles? The doctor is not needed unless there is something causing illness, and even then all they know to do is prescribe drugs. They have become nearly worthless.
you might want to look up the vaxxed film and the sequel. I am sure the Defender website can get you the link. I probably is not on YouTube but on one of the other channels
You wouldn’t believe the lies they tell to gain compliance. I often wondered if they actually believed them or just made stuff up off the top of their heads. I won’t even go into the aggression when you question or disagree with them. White coats…never a more educated, ignorant group.
Oh yes I would. Its happened for years to women who do their research and make an informed choice not to do gynecological screenings of any sort. A few go as far as to make a woman think--or outright state--that its a legal mandate and that they can get a court order or have her arrested if she refuses. The medical establishment has become straight up gestapo about controlling patients by any means necessary--and creating them by any means necessary, lest anyone notice the guy who never goes to the doctor for anything unless he needs it is doing as well as or better than the one getting yearly checkups with constant follow-ups and us on ten different pills at the age of 30. Best force them all on the medical carousel of looking for problems in ways that create problems, then charging to fix the problems with solutions that create new problems. Palpitate, scan, dose, inject, slice, charge, lather, rinse, repeat.
But if you don't trust them, you've got a screw loose.
They have forced this dangerous injection on millions of young males worldwide.. and it can be show to correlate with HIGHER rates of cervical cancer in the girls who get it.
Look at Children's Health Defense presentations on HPV vaccines in Australia, where they mandated them, it's a nightmare.
And watch CHD's "Infertility, A Diabolical Agenda."
same as covid jabs to protect your grandparents. Turns out you might be the first to die, because of the jabs. Poor grandparents, can you imagine, loosing their grandchild to a jab?
My ex's son GOT HPV from the HPV injection, and they pushed it when he was 15 years old. He has HPV in his throat and it makes his voice almost inaudable. He has to go get his throat scraped which is really painful as well. So, I do wish I had been able to protect him from that, somehow. Never trust your kids with any medical entity for sure.
HPV (Gardasil) was the shot that got me to wake up a little from the vaccine coma I was in with all of my kids (wish I had been more alert - I envy those who were). The more I learned about HPV itself, how the body typically deals with it and then about the trials associated with shot, the more skeptical I became. I allowed the "experts" to convince me that my first born's autism was "in no way related to any vaccines" and consented to giving shots to all of my other kids, but in today's environment, there are many three to which I would consent.
I am unvaxxed - had covid a few months ago - killed it within a couple of days with Hydroxy - wife had it before me opted not to treat - mild flu for 5 days.
Fast forward and there is a 'vicious flu' tearing through Australia that is now in NZ... the number of people who are sick - and I mean really sick - is off the charts... businesses already short staffed are now being forced to close due to The Sickness.
I was in town watching a hockey game on the weekend - got to chatting with an Aussie tourist - who was trying to hide The Sickness... coughing into his sleeve from time to time.
On Sunday I developed a sniffle - Monday Tuesday running nose + sneezing - no coughing - did not feel particularly unwell beyond the running nose. It's Wednesday morning and the symptoms are just about done and dusted - I will skate this evening.
Meanwhile we know of fit 30+ year olds who have had The Sickness and experienced 104 temperatures and horribly painful uncontrollable coughing fits that required visits to the hospital ED ... they are boosted.
I have no doubt that VAIDS is a real thing and that all these injected people have opened the floodgates to a wide range of diseases from cancer to severe flu.
I suspect that they have the immune systems of a feeble 80 year old. And that this is only the beginning. At some point we will get the mutation that Bossche has warned up - perhaps a more severe version of Delta that is even more contagious than Omicron...
Yep and it will be the jabbed that caused the severe form and they will infect the unvaxxed, as is already happening. Will order some more horse med just in case. So far so good, dog is taking it for heartworm. Only took some homeopathic a while ago when I thought I might come down with something but it did not push trough.
INdeed. I had to take the shots when I immigrated to the US and that will, God willing, be the last shots I will ever take.
The Cat has to do the reading that Margaret Anna Alice recommends, because Dissolving Illusions is written by a real doctor with real patients, who discovered that after a flu shot, several of her patients had to be hospitalized. When she asked around, she found nothing but numbness. Then she did the REAL science and discovered the truth, which was not taking with gratitude by her colleagues. I b ought the book a while ago and advize everyone to read it. Even if you are needle happy it is good to know that no vaccine is safe and no vaccine warrants you that you won't get sick anymore. REmember the measles outbreak some years ago in NY. From 160 children, more than a third was fully vaccinated. Which means the measles vaccine does not work too well either ! A friend took the very painful shingles vaccine and 2 weeks later had shingles. Just saying....
My female cousin had HPV and her OB/GYN doctor wanted to perform a hysterectomy on her because she allegedly had precancerous cells in cervix from HPV. She told me about and I told her to wait. I did research on HPV and found a study where Shitake mushrooms were used to cure HPV. I sent the study to my cousin and she took the Shitake mushrooms everyday for three months. She was re-tested for HPV by her OB/GYN and tests returned negative. Her OB/GYN said it was false negative and he had her tested every three months and all tests returned negative over a course of year. Her cervix was normal and her OB/GYN said no need for a hysterectomy.
Fact 1. The CDC has reported significant declines in childhood vaccination rates during the pandemic, ranging from 7% decrease to 20% decrease in childhood vaccination uptake.
Fact 2. Becker and Blaxill published a compelling analysis pointing to a reduction in mortality rates in young people (especially infants) during the pandemic. Their analysis, based on NCHS data, points to hundreds of lives in infants not lost per day during the same period of time when vaccination uptake dropped significantly.
I saw the same correlations in data out of FL a while back - a drop in childhood vaccination rate and concomitant drop in SIDS. I am kicking myself though - I cannot re-find the link(s)...still trying, but of course the search engines are not particularly friendly to such topics!
Those links have probably been “Epsteined”. I’m a therapist and in the beginning of the covidmania I spoke out against masks, having old books/journals with writing emphasizing the importance of facial cues for kids. They’re mostly gone now.
there was a real good one from the Canadian dentists, which was removed in early 2020. Someone sent me the article but it was in a format I could not use.
All of us parents of vaxx injured kids said in April 2020,” well THIS will be interesting. They will be ALOT less SIDS and deaths of kids since nobody’s going to kids dr “ well visits “ ( we all call them death visits ). Sure evough all SIDS and VAERS injury and deaths of kids plummeted !
Indeed. SIDS going down as less kids get vaccinated. Of course SADS is going up now. It's about as complicated as the join the dots pictures in the books I played with as a three year old.
People who vax their young boys especially are CRAZY.
Covid Infection Itself NOT Causing Heart Conditions …
Tuvali et al, Israel, huge study N=196K cases, N=590K controls, no excess rate of ICD-10-code identified myocarditis in uninjected with natural infection. Counters prior false claims. Can focus on mandated products as source of myocarditis at hand and move forward on management.
Unfortunately our adult son got the shot at University... :(((((
We had some major blowups over it (I think the vax affects mood as well). But he promised he won't do a 3rd. And he's seen the light as he got covid twice now.
Every time someone defends “traditional” vaccines I ask them why the manufacturers are immune from all liability when the products are mandated by the .gov (to attend .gov schools) the losses are socialized through VICP, and the profits are privatized
Anyone remotely paying attention can figure out that breeds corruption. I don’t care if they say it’s gonna make me live forever and make me look like Linda Evangelista circa 1995 , I (and more importantly my children) am NOT getting irreversibly injected with any product where the manufacturer is immune from liability.
vaccines should be treated like all other meds, with liablility for every reaction. Thousands of children and adults get damaged by them but no one ever gets a cent. Only once in a blue moon the government coughs up a bit. I just saw where a 22 year old finally got heard 20 years after the damage, and if I remember well they still did not get any help
IF the reports that payouts by the national Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, or VICP, have now topped $4 billion, THEN your claim that "no one ever gets a cent" is false, unless of course your meaning is that no compensation is exactly the sum of one cent. Should you so wish, you may file for compensation at https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation
I would be most grateful if more people would begin to realize that the constitutionally dubious interference into market activity by the federal government serves special interests and not the national interest. Carving-out a vaccine exemption was an injury to the law, masquerading as law.
how many people are you talking about ? one in a thousand ? I know there are many more who do not get any compensation, than those that do. I think it was INdonesia where victims of the covid injections already are starting to get compensated. No one far as I know in the US got anything. Sorry for the generalisation. But I am glad you DO agree that vaccines are not always safe. Since so much money has been paid to may be a handful of hurt.
Maybe they didn't but I've read that over 4 billion dollars has been paid to claimants through the program I linked. It seems to be confirmed by many sources. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll continue to think you made-up your claim.
Just two years ago - so during the pandemic but before the covid injectables - I didn't think twice about taking my son, then three, to have whatever vaccinations they have at that age. Now I can't comprehend why I did this. He certainly won't be having any more.
Smart woman and glad you had a doctor who agreed with the approach. Now patients get kicked out of practices for even requesting a spacing out of shots. It's insane.
I have been looking at alternative med but 1. it is extremely expensive to become a member of such an office, and 2. it is almost 2 hours driving away. Where I lived in Belgium I had a choice in alternative med, and the 2 doctors I went to both knew some about it. I found one here in the US who at least is aware that homeopathic meds do work.
Thank you for this one Madame. I started to write a screed, but saw this first. All you need to do is look at the graphs of these common diseases and the deaths associated by year, then mark the introduction date of the particular vaccine. Things that make you go Hmmm???
Amen! I didn’t become anti-vax because I lost confidence in public health officials. I became anti-vax because I lost confidence in them, AND THEN I did research to get informed.
The moment you realize you are dealing with liars you should reject everything they have ever told you. Then you start from scratch with the position that any medical treatment should be rejected until you have done research showing it helps.
So, absent research, my position is now anti all medical treatments pushed by the medical establishment. As and when necessary I will conduct my own investigation of available research on any treatment proposed for me and mine. Thus I may choose to become pro specific treatments on a case by case basis.
"Any medical treatment should be rejected until you have done research showing it helps." Well said Horace. Unfortunately biology is terribly complex, and the charlatans are not only to be found in the medical establishment. There are many more ways to be wrong about a thing than there are to be right.
Indeed. But this is a basic problem of human society. How much research should/must one do for oneself, and how do you decide who to trust? Getting this right is an essential life skill, a core part of critical thinking.
The element that should have changed for everyone (except those who already figured it out) is that the medical establishment must be struck in their entirety from the set of people who should be trusted.
And the trust problem just gets harder the more technologically advanced society becomes.
I spent a lot of energy batting down insecure software solutions and am used to people's eyes glazing over when I start explaining how Product X is too insecure to trust with our data.
What floored me in 2021 is how otherwise conservative software experts were willing to allow their OWN BODIES to be reprogrammed with ??? mRNA.
You have the correct approach. Governments and pharmaceutical companies don't lie all the time, but they lie often enough that they cannot be trusted to be source upon which one relies.
Thank you for the links, especially the book which we’d never heard of. To add to your list, we started watching the A Shot in the Dark series last night. The first episode delves into Gardasil. I caved to pressure in the early 00’s and had our daughter “vaccinated” with it 😞 https://rumble.com/c/CandaceOwensAShotInTheDark
Margaret, great to meet you here. I really appreciate the articles from Dr. Gato Malo. But I do not agree with him about "other vaccines have been tested for safety and efficacy, only the covid vaccines are a problem" .... These tests are not done in a way that would convince me. I want to see real data, real longitudinal controlled trials comparing all health outcomes of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people...
(all cause mortality, all cause severe morbidity, cancer incidence, all other diseases, suicide, development of overweight etc. etc.. within decades following vaccination. We have many good reasons to ask for these data).
Of course, for each vaccine alone and for multiple combinations etc.
99.9-100%. They took me who was indifferent to slightly pro-vaccine and turned me onto a 'what the frick are you idiots doing? I think imma look closer into the history of vaccines' journey. I don't like what I learned. At all. 'Safe and effective' sure to some extent but it's still '4 in 5 dentists' marketing to me.
They created me. They opened Pandora's Box. They couldn't let sleeping dogs lie. They had to get the BIIIIG SALAD!.
It's funny. They've been ramping up taking vaccines since at least 2016 and this always left me skeptical and slightly unnerved wondering what was going on. Not that it's necessarily connected to what's happened in the last two years - which is the greatest medical crime and hysteria in history.
So yeh. They can squawk all they want blanketing everyone under the 'anti-vaxxers' label (which is far from the case. It just makes it easier for the lazy medical shills and academics to demonize and scapegoat) but as put in this fiery article: THEY CREATED THIS DUMPSTER FIRE.
Agreed. If I had it to do over I would never vax my kids. This pharma govt cabal isn’t new. Would love to see some vax lover docs heads explode when their patients tell them no more vaccines. 💥
Since getting my childhood inoculations back in the 50s, I have never felt the need to get a vaccine such as a flu shot. It is not pleasant to get the flu, but to catch the bug is normal and highly survivable. One of the great benefits from the Covid debacle is a better understanding of how keeping fit with a healthy diet and plenty of exercise and outdoor activity can keep us better able to deal with colds and flu and other pathogens to mitigate their more adverse effects.
I was neutral on vaccines and after two years of reading a variety of books I am now anti-vaccine. What set me off is when Big Pharma and the medical establishment dismissed or ignored natural immunity the global gold standard for over hundred years. It was all about the experimental mRNA vaccines.
Excellent book from Suzanne Humphries clearly illustrates how the vaccine industry falsely claimed responsibility for massive improvements in areas of infectious disease prevention and control. These improvements preceded the introduction of mass vaccination, but that didn’t stop the needle-pushers from taking all the glory and cashing in on an epic scale. Many, many ppl have been savvy to the true history and nature of the vaccine industry for a very long time. Sadly not nearly enough people, though, as the last 2 1/2 years have shown.
I think it would be a more persuasive argument here if you could cite some clinical studies which have been peer reviewed. Whilst I am very concerned about the mRNA gene therapy experiment, I have not found anything substantive to convince me that the vaccines i grew up with throughout the 70s & 80s ever did anything but good.
Caveat here is that formulations MAY have been changed in more recent times, surreptitiously - but, I think that the prevalence of so many hideous chemicals in our environment, food, air and water which are known to cause a wide range of neuro-toxic, endocrine disrupting, carcinogenic - 'every-genic' - along with the low quality of food/diets is far more likely to explain the uptick in all manner of chronic illnesses, conditions or diseases than a conspiracy to cause autism via a vaccine.
Occam's razor here comrades - and don't attack the messenger just because you don't agree. This kind of aggression and myopia is an extension of the outrage-mongering our dear elite have been stoking to keep us immobilised and disunited since time, and it really weakens the rest of our power to co-operate, organise and resist.
Having caught the medical establishment in a series of huge, fat lies and utterly evil, psychopathic behavior the only rational response is to discard everything they have ever said pending further review.
I agree wholeheartedly in most of what you say, except that 'we' should discard everything 'they' have ever said. This is very post-modernist and abandoning EVERYTHING so that 'we' can review everything is an enormous undertaking alone, and beyond impractical. There is proof about the efficacy of the polio vaccines for one thing, as we never see it in our daily lives.
If someone cheats you in business, you don't do business with them again unless there is no alternative. And if someone tells you a series of lies, you no longer trust statements they make.
That's called common sense and falls within the remit of the old Italian proverb "He that deceives me once, it’s his fault; but if twice, it’s my fault." which was first documented in “The Court and Character of King James,” written by Anthony Weldon in 1651. The English version is of course "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me". There's nothing post-modernist about it at all.
And you, or I (or anyone else) don't need to review everything. I just need to review any treatments proposed to me. And that's not an enormous and impractical undertaking at all. In fact it's probably something I should have done all along.
Specifically wrt to polio, I believe that in India the vaccine works, at least in part, by simply re-defining the diagnosis. In other words any child who gets polio symptoms after receiving a vaccine is diagnosed with something called "non-polio acute flaccid paralysis". The exact same symptoms would be diagnosed as polio in any child who had not been vaccinated. Thus polio disappears, only to be replaced by a larger epidemic of non-polio acute flaccid paralysis. See how that works? And how similar it is to the type of statistical fraud we have seen during the covid era?
I am not aware whether or not a similar position prevails, or even if any studies have been done, in more developed nations.
I agree with your point about taking personal responsibility for reviewing the treatments proposed to you. That endeavor still requires access to trusted sources of information. Doing that due diligence in the pre-internet 70's and 80's would be a much different task that doing so today.
Read the materials she cited. The burden of proof is on the person proposing to stick some chemical in you. That you didn’t perceive harm is not an RCT.
Dissolving Illusions is a must read. And yes formulations have changed. I heard a doctor say, that the old, single vaccine for measles worked pretty good, but that the multijab they give now, is not good for either of the 3 ingredients. That might have been Dr Wakefield. You might also want to check the ingredients of the jabs, if it reads PEG, that is a very poor ingredient in shampoo. Do you want that in your body?
Compare the vaccines you received to the current CDC schedule. There is very little overlap. DTP is no longer even available in the US as it is too dangerous but they dumped it on third worlders to kill their babies https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5868131/
At some point I hope you sit down with those of us working in this field so that we can show you that these long records of safety and efficacy you believe in were **also** based on the failure to properly identify vaccine injury (gaslighting in most cases) and fraud (in many cases).
And perhaps you still haven't figured out that autism is primarily caused by vaccines. How are 100,000 new brain damaged ("autistic") people per year in the US alone "safe?" Keep in mind 1/3 are non-verbal and most will not have normal lives.
Have you looked into the molecular mimicry behind autoimmune diseases and vaccine antigens? The aluminum causing the massive allergy epidemic (some of which are life-threatening)? The vaccine-induced gut dysbiosis that leads to brain damage?
El Gato, you are not yet fully red-pilled. You still have some ways to go.
I suggest starting with Toby Rogers' excellent doctoral thesis:
this is mostly driven by a change in the diagnosis and definition of autism as opposed to real changes in prevalence.
the links to vaccines are unconvincing.
i know a lot of folks seem enamored of this theory, but it fails to meet anything like the standards of rigor i'd need to be convinced.
this is not a red pill.
it's a bridge too far into assumptive reasoning by fallacy, especially on autoimmune.
there might be a case to be made that vaccine efficacy is overstated and many gains came from sanitation and hygiene, and while there is doubtless truth that it helped, it's also likely the source of auto-immune issues. (hygiene hypothesis)
it just happened to happen at the same time as vaccines.
i get your passion, but save the assumptive hectoring.
They changed the diagnosis and definition of polio, too. I know it's purely anecdotal, but think about all our childhood classrooms, and our parents' childhood classrooms. There were no peanut allergies, there was no autism, there was no ASD stimming and dysregulation. There were behavioral issues, sure, but I am around kids a lot and it doesn't seem the same.
*Something* is going on. What is it? It's not one thing, but there was a HUGE increase in the number of shots given, from the 70s to the 90s. And kids are not okay.
there was also a huge increase in cleanliness to the point where child immune systems were not sufficiently challenged day to day by pathogens and bacteria. the immune system does not have a built in down-regulation for such cases and so with nothing to attack, it is more likely to attack the host or over react to begin impulses. that's auto-immune and allergy.
behavioral is down to teaching, parenting, and a raft of REALLY bad science on ADD and depression.
Oh gosh...behavioral is down to teaching? Have you spent any time with anyone in the real hell of living with autism? Which, honestly, almost no one knew about and now everyone does? It’s not parenting. It’s damage. From something. Vaccines or something else, something is damaging our kids at an alarming rate. And it’s not a change in definition. It’s hard to watch you dismiss this so easily.
Just how old are you? How did you miss the Despicable Noose' (Deseret News') social interest write-ups about autism, and those afflicted being withdrawn entirely into a shell and couldn't be reached, as they had no communication whatsoever? Those were in the late '60s and early '70s. They were past your time, or you didn't deign to read that evil rag? (Granted, the Salt Lake Tribulation is even more evil. And people wonder how Utah and the Wasatch Front fell so far, so fast. Just don't watch Hill Street Blues and it's all good, right?)
Ha! Old enough that I remember a kid with a disability in my neighborhood that no one knew the name of. (But now his disability is mild compared to what I’ve seen in my own house.) Young enough that I’ve never heard those names used for the two excuse-for-newspapers. But I’m gonna use them now.
That’s one hypothesis, but hos can we pull out any of these factors and *know*. There are thousands, tens of thousands, of people who don’t get these shots. There are as many more who have *seen* their children damaged. Some epidemiological study would be possible, if it were allowed. Doesn’t it twitch your whiskers that the same people who promoted the covid shots destroy people who ask these questions?
I agree with you! But, I think it's more than just the shots. I'm not a scientist and just an observer over my lifetime (like most of us are) and when one looks at the poison food, the shots, the ssri's and other drugs in the water and a whole slew of other things as a whole... we have to admit that one or all of these things is causing this, or at a minimum, contributing to it. We can't just dismiss studies done by several doctors (and I can't remember the one that I believe is in Washington state) that are doing their own trials in their own private clinics and keeping track of the children who do get the shots (the CDC schedule) compared to those who do not and the results are staggering. I come from a long line of ancestors who never received any kind of shot for *anything*. They all lived long (up to 102 years), healthy lives, physically and psychologically. If it wouldn't have been for the military and a coercive employer (flu shot) many years ago, I also would have never taken *any* shots. Vaccines have become a sick religion and not being able to admit that even the so-called "good" shots are causing much of the issues we are seeing in young people is really a testament to that religion and mind screwing/propaganda that we've been getting for years now. I have people in my family with children that were just fine before some of the childhood shots and immediately after became autistic. It's a fact. We watched it happen in real time. How can anyone flippantly say it's not the shots that caused that? We saw it!
I think you’re referring to Dr Paul Thomas. He’s in Portland, Oregon, has a practice of 12,000 kids and co-authored a study showing the fully vaccinated kids in his practice had more diagnoses and office visits when compared to the unvaccinated kids in his practice. His license was stripped immediately by the Oregon Board of Medicine (conveniently Governor appointed Brownshirts). He did receive provisional licensure back to see sick children but cannot do well-child visits because he dared publish a scientific study against the golden calf (vaccines).
We use aluminum to produce allergies in dogs when performing research, a fellow mammal. Activate the immune system with Al and simultaneously inject the antigen.
The hygiene hypothesis has had its chance and it never had good evidence for it. As the others note below, it's time to abandon the theory.
Time to abandon the hygiene hypothesis: new perspectives on allergic disease, the human microbiome, infectious disease prevention and the role of targeted hygiene
Just the opposite is true. The scientific charts are alkready in books on this subject : as clean water and toilets went UP disease in the USA plummeted. They introduced vaccines AFTER diseases plummeted. That is a known fact. Go read the links snd books we’ve all given you with real govt science. Read Kennedy’s book , Fauci. Look up the Cutter Incident. It’s all lies what we were all told about vaccines stopping diseases.
(a) the effect of clean water and toilets was to increase autism, SIDS and auto-immune issues several years after they were introduced via some sort of delaying mechanism, AND
(b) vaccines were able to reduce diseases several years before they were introduced via some mechanism as yet unknown to scientists?
Are you certain there was a huge increase in cleanliness between the 1970s and today?
I'm not sure when you were born...? But I was born in the 1960s, and we didn't live in pigsties you know :-).
I see no real difference in overall cleanliness between then and now.
My kids don't wash their hands any more or less than I did, nor do they eschew desirable food items which have been in contact with the ground any more than I did. They still splashed through streams and dug holes in the ground and came home covered in mud.
Neither we, nor any of our friends, dowse our houses in disinfectant. The restaurants we visit don't appear any cleaner. And everyone had indoor toilets in the 1970s and 1980s.
Perhaps here in the US more people have some sort of filtration applied to their air but that certainly doesn't apply to the UK for example where they have seen similar rises in issues.
Can you point to any evidence for this increase in cleanliness? Are you really certain it exists?
I hear gato saying he's looked and is not convinced by the data that increases in autism diagnoses are linked to childhood vaccinations. That's perfectly fair. But, gato, you're not entirely ruling out a potential link, correct? I mean science and all. Better data, more definitive answer in the future, right?
Hasn’t there been a huge increase in veterinary shots, too. That might be a good place to look for some epidemiological data, even if it’s only correlative. Plus, a cat might be concerned.
Yes, and which mammals have had skyrocketing cancers and disease? The vaxxed ones. So things aren’t just environmental. Pets get cancer at injection sites ALL the time— horses to cats to dogs. They are dying younger and with worse illnesses than ever, yet deer and whales aren’t just showing up dead for no apparent reason nor are they presenting with cancers when brought to wildlife rehabs and such. There is SO much at stake here and people want to point and say, “But, polio is gone!”
Now that you roped in the cat, I feel certain he will dive deeper into #realnotrare, VAXXED 1&2, DISSOLVING ILLUSIONS, Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, Dr. Suzanne Humphries, Dr. James Neuenschwander, Toby Rogers, Del Bigtree, anything RFK, jr. has written on the subject of vaccines (and Tony “the science” Fauci has had a LOT to do with this as well, and all childhood disease has skyrocketed since Tony was tasked with making things better), A SHOT in the DARK, and have the cat look at the graphs of SIDS, autism and the correlation of which countries have backed way off vaccines and what that did to childhood rates of mortality, autism and the like. Compare Japan’s childhood vax schedule and ours and the rates of injury. I could go on & on all day, sadly.
Just the opposite is true. The scientific charts are alkready in books on this subject : as clean water and toilets went UP disease in the USA plummeted. They introduced vaccines AFTER diseases plummeted. That is a known fact. Go read the links snd books we’ve all given you with real govt science. Look up the Cutter Incident. It’s all lies what we were all told about vaccines stopping diseases.
And I’ll be completely transparent-these shots *feel* bad to me. I know that I have a gut reaction and that leads to confirmation bias. I also recognize how difficult this research is. But the facts that they refuse to do it, whistleblowers get silenced, and the manufacturers have immunity, leads me to never trust anything in that space.
Gut feelings do not necessarily lead to confirmation bias. In this case your reasoning is 100% sound.
The research is "difficult" because there has been a clear and deliberate attempt to both avoid collecting good data, and to obscure and misrepresent the data that does exist.
Combined with the suppression and censorship of opposing opinions, the coercion of opponents through illegal and immoral acts, and the corrupt manipulation of both regulatory and administrative processes (from the highest levels right down to payments to schoolboard members), it is 100% clear that the people behind these jabs are ruthless, immoral, and corrupt.
You should no more trust them than Snow White should trust an old lady offering an apple.
There were also huge changes to the food supply and diets. Genetically modified plants that could stand up to higher concentrations of herbicides and pesticides...herbicides and pesticides that leave residue on the plants and are ingested (not to mention those, like neonicotinoids, which have not had safety studies, and which are absorbed through the plants' roots).
Steroids, hormones, and antibiotics given to animals to make them grow quicker. Cows given feed they were never created to ingest. The list goes on and on.
How many other environmental influences are there as well with lawn fertilizers, household chemicals, etc., many of which weren't around in our grandparents' and great grandparents' time.
I'm not discounting the possibility that vaccines contribute to the problem - on the contrary. As someone who studied biology in college, I wholeheartedly believe they are more harmful than beneficial. I just don't know that they are the only factor that should be considered.
Someother things not being considered: 1) how much less time kids spend outside in nature/how much more time they spend indoors (even playing indoors in the ac trampoline parks etc) 2) amount of time driving strapped in a car seat until they are 16 to and from adult directed activities 3) the number of adult directed activities has skyrocketed. You don’t find the neighborhood kids playing ball on their own learning critical social skills. 4) autism used to be a diagnosis only made by neurologist or psychiatrist, now LLSP, general pediatrician, etc can slap that label on a kid and it is usually because they are a “late talker”. 5) developmental norms have changed. It used to be considered within normal range if a kid started talking closer to 3, but now, if a kid doesn’t have 1st words by 12 months, they are given a referral to a SLP for speech therapy thanks to professional organizations like ASHA, APTA, AOTA etc. Autism explosion is soooooooooo multifaceted
I taught special ed and have 2 cases of autism in my extended family. Most of the list you created are indeed sad and can play into the whole thing but by & large, spending too much time in a car seat and not enough time outdoors and so on, does not create autism. And yea, it’s easier and more trigger-happily labelled these days, nonetheless, the spectrum was and is skyrocketing at almost the exact rate of the skyrocketing vax schedule. Our generation had maybe 5 vax. These kids kid 64-72 doses by the time they are 18, and now colleges are requiring covid. We are creating zombies. Nations who are equally busy and have similar outdoor time, etc. but have cut down the sheer volume of vax and have also elected
to administer them at a
later age are faring far better. The CDC doesn’t make this easy to look into but the info is out there. And they are as culpable in all this previous vax injury as they are in the covid vaxxed, I promise. Dr. James Neuenschwander and others have presented them with cold, hard evidence, repeatedly and they just keep on jabbing.
Do you know anyone severely autistic ? Do you have autistic kids ? I don’t disagree the variables you mentioned are deleterious but they cannnot be conflated with true autism. Which is brain and GI injury Just my experience
Absolutely and it is all diagnosed days to a few months after a catch up round of vax, with MMR being the ring leader for injury.
Dr. Andrew Wakefield was steamrolled the same way Frontline docs, Dr. Malone, etc. have been. Wakefield has since been exonerated but do they put that on the front pages? No. Shocker— you have to search and search to find it.
And they malign RFKennedy like it’s their JOB, and everyone says what an idiot he is, when they are the idiots. They parrot what MSM (and a few of his family members supposedly say) about him rather than taking 15 min. to listen to or read anything he has to say or to peruse any of his litigation. The man is dead on accurate regarding vaccines— all of them— and he is brilliant, as “nose to the grindstone” as any human I’ve ever known and he is a badass in court. I dare say, if nothing else gets you looking into childhood vax injury, at least look into cases he has won and all his work. Consider that he doesn’t have to do this. He’s so well educated, connected, well travelled and articulate, he could do any lucrative thing he put his hand to. He probably has enough money not to have to do another thing at all, yet he chooses to be in the trenches fighting for children’s health. Find Children’s Health Defense.
I also grew up in the 60s-70s. I am a therapist and I work regularly with children labeled autistic. They range the spectrum of ability. There has been a dramatic change and increase in the type and numbers of children with that label over the last 30+ years. I have had precious clients who were just late talkers with that label. I had a very social smart nonverbal client (who was the purest verbal apraxia I had ever seen with 0 physical or social deficits) who had that label. My son has a best friend who was labeled autistic at 18 months but as a young adult is a functional human being who shows no signs of being autistic. I don’t believe autistic tendencies are typically outgrown. I also have a son who I could have easily had diagnosed as aspbergers when that was still a label. I chose not to because he is functional and I have the practical knowledge to have helped him learn how to navigate the world. He is also a young adult and amazingly intelligent and equally awkward at times,(especially in a world as inconsistent and gray as we now have) but he is high functioning so I don’t think he needs a label. I don’t believe that there is 1 and only 1 reason a child receives that label. I believe it is way more complex than that. I obviously offended you by my thoughts. I’m sorry I offended you, but I do not apologize for my experiences and viewpoints.
Your lack of real scientific research knowledge offended me. All the examples you listed are often signs of neurological injury. The plethora of factual data on vaccine injury is so overwhelming at this point I strongly urge you to read all the links and books or studies mevtioned by those of us who did the reading and followed the research. It sounds like you were a great therapist but you haven’t done the actual research. Yes many kids who are deficient do come out of it. But the damage is there. It’s not a coincidence. There’s a famous book called Crooked Eyes by a neurologist. Find that book. It’s damning. Once seen these facts cannot be unseen. Read the White pages on ICAN ( Del bigtrees org ) read dr Exleys studies. Read Andrew Wakefield. Go to Lois Fishers organization. She made sure the govt created VAERS after they gave all liability for damages away in 1986. Her son was brain damaged in the 70s from the same DPT shot that destroyed my eldest son in 1988.
I literally said the same thing on this thread. The scientific research IS there. By our own govt. it’s just not advertised. People need to read Kennedy’s book Fauci for many scientific citations and sources as well as Lois fishers site ( she got govt to create VAERS because of 1986 Act ) and ICAN / the Highwire and childrens health defense. People like you and me know the actual science. And we grew up in the 60s / 70s.
You are right. There are some studies comparing vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people. Turns out unvaccinated people are much ealthier and have much lower rates of allergies, asthma, immune dysregulation, ADHD etc.
The argument from Gato Malo regarding "huge increase in cleanliness" is correct in some way. But since unvaccinated are much healthier (even in the same families, the unvaccinated are much healthier according to doctors who investigated this), it clearly shows or indicates that the vaccines seem to be (in part) responsible for the increase in several diseases.
You have gotten stopped at all the usual spots. That's why you need someone to walk you through each sticking point.
The California autism data show that it is a real change in prevalence.
We have the mechanisms for vaccine-induced autism and epi data, too.
In the West vaccines are used primarily for morbidity, as Armstrong et al. show. It was sanitation, better nutrition, reduced over-crowding and these sorts of interventions that reduced infectious disease mortality.
It's not hygiene for allergies, it's the aluminum. See Dr. Paul Thomas' pediatric data set with 30x more allergic rhinitis in fully vaccinated kids vs. non-vaccinated kids.
Stabell-Benn and Aaby show that inactivated vaccines (usually, those with aluminum adjuvants) weaken general immunity and kill more children than they save in high-disease pressure areas (yes, it's been found in other areas of the world, not just Ginea-Bissau). There has even been the first conference on non-specific effects.
"it just happened to happen at the same time as vaccines."
That's precisely the gaslighting I'm referring to that doctors are famous for. Anything but the vaccines—just like covid ("napping increases the risk of strokes").
Vaccines are designed to produce effects that last a lifetime (or they were, originally) so we should expect to see impressive side effects. And we do. We just don't point the finger at vaccines yet.
Yup. I think El Gato needs to have a friend like one of us lead them down this lengthy highly documented but disturbing path. It’ll take AT LEAST a year imo amd another couple to process the utter depravity of it all. It took me 34 years after me eldest was brain damaged within hours ( DPT scream / encephalitis ) of ONE DPT at four months of age in 1988.
California has been tracking only “full-syndrome autistic disorder,” the most severe cases. These would have been essentially impossible to hide four decades ago.
Cynthia Nevison analyzed that data against Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) data for California and found that approximately 80% of the rise must be a true increase in prevalence.
Omsted and Blaxill go back to autism’s roots in the writings of Leo Kanner and Hans Asperger and examine everything known about child psychology up to that point, including a survey of Massachusetts “idiots” by Samuel Gridley Howe in the mid-1800s.
It’s simply not possible for there to have been large numbers of individuals with autism—any form of autism—at that point in time and the medical profession simply "missed them." The medical profession did not have enough damaged people *in any relevant category.*
Agreed. Ive read peter gotzsche’s review of this ( his Vaccine book which is excellent). The autism theory was based on fraud and never substantiated. Doesnt take away from the pharma corruption of course but this association has no legs.
Peter Gotzsche got lots wrong. He went only one level deep with the situation with Dr. Wakefield.
For instance, there were multiple studies going on simultaneously and the General Medical Council seems to have purposefully mixed up the authorizations and the money flows. Then they drew unsubstantiated conclusions, as the High Court later ruled.
You have zero substantiation for this all-encompassing declaratory statement. Is there proof some evil cabal concocted this and maliciously pushed it? At best, perhaps a particular study was based on fraud but I have seen no conclusive proof of this.
Whenever people make such bold, absolutist statements such as this it's often an indicator the speaker is proclaiming ideology rather than a reasoned conclusion. Let the reader beware.
We are going to have to agree to disagree. My wife has worked with the developmentally disabled for over 2 decades, this isn't just a definition issue, there has been an explosion in autism.
During that time there's been a huge rise in children born to older parents, especially fathers; it's quite socially acceptable for women in their childbearing years to drink alcohol; etc. etc.
Many factors, and some quite uncomfortable for parents to contemplate.
You do know what life was like back in the 1950s, right? Age is an issue now, but cigarettes and drinking were constant back then. Of course, there was a lot less plastic and crap from China, but more lead.
My biggest issue here is the dismissive attitude, and seems we are right back into the Appeal to Authority that sucked everyone into vaxx hell.
Sure. And plenty of us '50s kids have allergies and other auto-immune conditions, especially because of the fad for interventions like tonsillectomies, etc.
But there were also considerably lower rates of pre-term birth survival, too. Now plenty of fragile children grow up needing lifelong interventions of one sort or another. Many who seem physically healthy have invisible neurological deficits that don't manifest immediately.
Lots of reasons for everything. Sorting out what's valid and what's less so is hard.
In all these comments, pro and con, we are doing a lot of speculating. This factor, that factor. There are a million factors. I can't just pick my favorite and dismiss the others. That goes for everything.
There is no way to do the complete study that is necessary, but there are at least some ways to approximate it. And to look at all the puzzle pieces. Americans are way sicker than they have ever been, including children. Flippantly throwing out this or that reason isn't going to get us far. I want to see the vectors as things changed - show me exactly when the vaccine schedule changed, and then let's compare that to a few different metrics of physical and mental health.
Do the research. Start with ICAN white papers and the links and books recommended. While it is true older women have higher #s of Down’s syndrome kids it’s factually incorrect that older women drink more. Normally younger women are less likely to care or be concerned about health. Those claims again are made by pharma vaxx proponents and their unscientific pharma financed Tobbaco science.
"it's a bridge too far ..... especially on autoimmune."
N=1 case study here...My previously unvaxxed 14 y.o. daughters' risk/benefit ratio changed on a trip to the Amazon (Peru). Had her get tetanus (Td) and yellow fever. Within 4 months of those two injections spaced one week apart: loss of hair, U.S. confirmed thyroid cyst, wheat and egg allergy (Y.F is grown in chicken eggs and no prior wheat/egg allergy issues in 14 years) which were lab confirmed along with a lab confirmed Hashimotos Thyroiditis diagnosis. No prior autoimmune family history. Not a clean freak family; I'm a D.C. and understand the importance of microbe exposure for immune development. More detailed history on this in my pinned substack article...
I don't know whether the cat has kittens. I don't think so. But it is hard to imagine anyone who knows what he knows about these companies and the products they produce holding his month old infant in his arms and trusting the people who got their education at the knees of these corporations to inject that baby with something that contains what those needles contain. I might be wrong. But it was personal for me. There was just no way my kids were born with a vaccine deficiency. I knew that there had to be a better way to overcome those diseases; something that would make kids stronger, not weaker.
I put my own life in that same frame. When my immune system was "reset" with bone marrow transplant, I chose NOT to take all the shots, which made the oncologists nearly hysterical. I chose to find something deeper to address what needed to be healed.
July 9, 2022 marked my 8th rebirthday. I've never been in better health.
Not likely. More likely, despite his encyclopedic knowledge on so many things, is that he hasn't researched this subject yet, as thoroughly as he has covid. I have a feeling that after being flamed here by numerous of his devoted followers, that he will dig in and, as with covid, uncover the real truth. Wherever that may be, and I am agnostic on this issue, not being anything close to an expert myself.
There are ways to learn about the subject, but he seems totally closed to the idea.
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I’m sorry el gato but your statement that it’s just that autism was always there but we didn’t DX it is completely factually incorrect. I don’t know how old you are or if you have kids from 70s / 80s but that’s another narrative they pushed out on the public that you just repeated. We had almost zero autistic kids. Our special Ed classes were VERY small. I’m a SPED expert. Fir 30 years. I’ve done litigation and advocacy. Please read ALL the links snd groups we’ve shared before you respond further to anyone. You’ve got cognitive dissonance respectfully.
When one eliminates the other causes they like to use ( chemicals in our foods , modern societies influences et AL ) yes it accounts for almost all other “ causation “ the pro vaxx pharma driven proponents use. I would suggest people read dr Exley and Andrew Wakefields studies. Dr Exley is the worlds top aluminum expert. He did a YouTube video ( probably stubbed so check bitchute and other places He discussed doing autopsies on the brains of a statistically significant # of vaccinated severely autistic children and discovering toxic levels of aluminum ( he only focused on that one substance ) in their brains and directly tying it to the actual shots they got since there are ways to discover the same “ signature “ of a vaccine similar to DNA. The body protects the brain barrrier from ingestion of aluminum so it’s been proven that eating tuna fish or other oral sources of aluminum is 99% eliminated from the body and Doesn’t cross the brain barrier. Vaccines are DESIGNED to cross the brain barrier. Not stay in the arm. It’s damning once you look at and read everything. They’ve lied to the public. It’s absolute evil. Go to a chikdrens cemetery. Read the date of birth and death. It’s always : first day of life ( Hep B , vitamin K) 6 weeks , 8 weeks, 12 weeks and on amd on. It follows the vaccine schedule exactly !
The kids are not all right. It’s not a change in definition that’s driving it. Please just keep an open mind about past damage, as well, that many people live with and had swept away and dismissed. Skepticism all around based on the current disaster may well just save the future generation.
If it’s a behavioral diagnosis error, then no one has come close to being able to find out how to diagnose autism yet. How many years have passed since that excuse was used and the rate has multiplied exponentially year after year? And why do the years with the biggest spikes coincide with the years that the childhood vaccine schedule was expanded?
I’ve posted a link to 160 research papers supporting a link between vaccines and autism. Should be more than enough there to at least generate some healthy skepticism.
More people should know about the testimony from whistleblowers as well. Of course, no one would ever find any of this info unless they had reason to start searching for more info.
I am familiar with the anti-vaxx arguments but also have not investigated them in great detail. My tentative conclusions were that
- the correlations are concerning, and the absence of hard evidence (which would not be especially difficult to collect) likely indicates Nelsonian Knowledge by those whose responsibility it is to collect such evidence.
- the "proof" that vaccines work is highly questionable as the people who created and advanced that proof are now proven corrupt, liars who have made huge, conserquent financial gains.
The likelihood of previous corruption implies (at least to me) that no vaccines can be trusted even if I cannot be certain they cause harm. And the fact that we have caught the vaccine pushers deploying vaccines in such a way as to cause deliberate harm (see https://infertilitymovie.org/a-diabolical-agenda/) massively increases the likelihood that the same people have committed the same crime previously.
Easy check: the adjuvant blamed for causing autism is the same as is used as a preservative in tatoo inks, an in much, much greater concentration and quantitiy.
So anyone with a even just one or two moderately complex tatoos should be high-risk re: autism. Yet there is zero correlation between tatoos and autism.
Autism is genetic, and complex. It is also massively overdiagnosed and the bar to qualify has been lowered to the level of a joke, due to Karens of both genders not wanting to raise and discipline their children and teach them to behave properly.
One thing I noticed, teaching 'aspies' both real and alleged is this: it's real easy to test for in school.
If the kid with the alleged Aspergers doesn't get easier tasks, lowered bars and all-around greased wheels and mollycoddling, in 9 cases out 10 the Aspergers goes away. Same with ADHD or dyslexia. No special track meaning a softer course = the cure for 9/10 of childhood behavioural disorders.
I noticed this when I started telling students and their parents (if the student was a legal minor) that while I would certainly adapt to the alleged diagnosis, this meant /more/ work for the student and even more work for the parents,since the student still must reach the same minimum level as everyone else, or get a failing grade.
Lo and behold, most everyone's problems cleared up. It's the same with parents demanding special diets. Show me a signed diagnostic from an actual medical doctor - not a note from your ayurveda yogi or from some online test by Dingus, Doofus and Dibbler, esq. Again, 9/10 of all "eating disorders" clears up if the person doesn't get a) attention, b) food.
First, Autism is a disorder developed in early childhood. You can’t develop it as an adult. So the tattoo hypothesis is garbage. Second, my first kid was diagnosed by one psychologist. My second had to go through a gauntlet of professionals, so most places won’t recognize a diagnosis unless it’s done properly. And third, while I recognize many teenagers with high-functioning or mild issues should not be coddled (you are totally right) it’s ridiculous to claim that solves most behavioral issues. And blaming parents is the go-to for people who don’t live in this nightmare and haven’t witnessed their children literally stolen from them and incapable of functioning in their own bodies and minds. From severe to moderate, it’s heartbreaking, and compounded by people who think we’re just coddling our kids or who don’t want to parent them appropriately. It’s insulting. It’s wrong. And if you believe that the government is covering up injuries with its covid jab program, you can’t now ignore the ones who have been screaming for decades and demanding answers as if they’re just Karen’s who need to sit down and listen to the grownups talk about REAL science.
In support of your observations one may cite the mushrooming of conditions with each and every new edition of the DSM. Psychiatric and psychological “disease” is a massive growth industry. On the spectrum of “normal” to “mentally ill” there used to be quite a middle grey zone. This grey zone has been steadily subsumed by the “disease” label.
I’ll spend some time in there, thank you. I’d be willing to bet our biomed doctor knows most of this, because he’s on a persistent hunt for everything from genetic mutations to mitochondrial dysfunctions to viruses. What we do know is that my boys have wildly malfunctioning immune systems.
I think it would be a more persuasive argument here if you could cite some clinical studies which have been peer reviewed. Whilst I am very concerned about the mRNA gene therapy experiment, I have not found anything substantive to convince me that the vaccines i grew up with throughout the 70s & 80s ever did anything but good.
Caveat here is that formulations MAY have been changed in more recent times, surreptitiously - but, I think that the prevalence of so many hideous chemicals in our environment, food, air and water which are known to cause a wide range of neuro-toxic, endocrine disrupting, carcinogenic - 'every-genic' - along with the low quality of food/diets is far more likely to explain the uptick in all manner of chronic illnesses, conditions or diseases than a conspiracy to cause autism via a vaccine.
Occam's razor here comrades - and don't attack the messenger just because you don't agree. This kind of aggression and myopia is an extension of the outrage-mongering our dear elite have been stoking to keep us immobilised and disunited since time, and it really weakens the rest of our power to co-operate, organise and resist.
Gato malo, you are wrong. You are simply lm missing a large part of this pic.
Think about the following:
The surest and quickest method of inducing neurodevelopmental abnormalities in experimental animals is by exposing them perinatally to immune stressors.
Usually this involves inducing inflammation and viral OR bacterial infection in pregnant dams.
The pathophysiological and behavioural consequences of this are more than a lot sumilar to what we see in human autism.
Moreover these pups are now super vulnerable to future 'immune stressors' - every little encounter will send the over the hyperinflammatory and autoimmune edge, complete with neurological abnormalities, seizures etc.
Again pathological findings in those experimental animal studies - including in primates - are almost identical to what we find in human autism:. Messed up neurology, skewed immunity (primed, sensitised and hyperactive but reduced ability to actually clear pathogens), fkd up macrobiome, youn name it.
Btw family history of autoimmune disease and infection in pregnancy are two biggest confirmed risk factors for autism.
It is not only possible that inflammation in pregnancy and genetic autoimmune risk factors predispose to autism as triggered or worsened by vaccines... it is almost a certainty.
Yes, it's accepted that maternal immune activation (MIA) causes autism. Now, what's the difference between MIA and when the child is outside of the womb? When it's just a few months or even years the difference is almost nothing.
Vargas et al. started showed this in 2005:
Neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism
Chronic microglia activation, a sign of immune activity in the brain, has been shown to be common in autism, likely occurring in a minimum of 69% of cases.
Relevance of Neuroinflammation and Encephalitis in Autism
Yes. Tons of info and links on pathlg findings in autism, incl. neuroinflammatory, on thininkgautism dot org dot uk - look under science news and research
“Below is a pdf article summarizing the science showing that aluminum adjuvant can cause brain injury and autism via immune activation/neuroinflammation. It summarizes most of the science here at vaccinepapers.org.”
I am curious about this, too. The research on existing vaccines isn't too impressive - most of it relies on the GRAS grandfathering of previous vaccines. When we look at epidemiological data and say, well, there is less polio, that seems like the same type of shoddy analysis the cat takes apart in the covid space.
Here’s some interesting info on measles and the vaccine. As it turns out, the vaccine was given credit for what was already happening naturally. An excerpt from the link below it:
“The first measles vaccine was developed in 1963 in the United States. According to CDC data, even before the vaccine was created, the measles death rate had already declined by over 98% between 1900 and 1960 as living conditions and care improved. In fact, the CDC touts that in the decade before 1963, each year just “an estimated 400 to 500 people died” from measles. This decline in measles mortality had nothing to do with the measles vaccine because the vaccine had not yet been invented.”
I had measles when I was a kid. My brother had measles. All the other kids on eh street had measles.
I've long been under the impression measles is not very harmful to children, though potentially much more harmful to adults, and the theory back in my day was kids should get it and give it to each other to protect their adult selves.
I literally stated all this in my other connect. Ty for linking El Gato. A lot of this is in ICAN white papers and chikdrens health defense as well as Lois fishers organization. Once one looks , the plethora of damning science proving vaccines are deadly is overwhelming.
They’ve never tested most of the vax against true placebo. They always use ANOTHER vax with the same basic adjuvants. The adjuvants are aluminum, polysorbates (2! and these can break the blood brain barrier which our bodies usually have skin, digestive systems and so on to prevent anything from getting into certain spaces like the BBB, yet we inject these into day old infants?), proteins grown on monkey kidneys, equine, bovine, porcine (porky pig) cells, and of course grown on the 2 aborted babies that have contributed their dna fragments to every vaccine in the childhood schedule—- both a male and a female aborted baby. What could go wrong? Gender confusion? Allergies to peanuts when no one else in the entire family tree ever had allergies? Allergies to pet dander when no one else in the family tree ever had allergies? HUGE jumps in eczema. psoriasis, asthma when no one else in the family tree had these? (Skin rashes usually mean a toxin is trying to get out).
PLS go find Ashley Everly’s FB or telegram pages. She has the
entire list of vaccines and their inert ingredients. She is a biologist and toxicologist with a vax-injured kid. The ingredient lists and the BLACK BOX warnings should be enough to tell you this vax isn’t the first BS screw up they’ve made. Health doesn’t come from a toxin bypassing your skin, organs and digestive system. Anti-vaxxers aren’t any more stupid than we who GET the BS regarding this “vaccine”. We are just better researched, and well read.
Exactly. That’s in the lawsuits ICAN and chikdrens health defense lawyer Aaron Siri proved in lawsuits we all won against CDC HHS and FDA. Ty for expounding !!!
Small correction: I’m a dermatologist and “skin rashes usually mean a toxin is trying to get out” is laughable at best. Don’t give people trying to vilify your vax argument such easy ammo. As for the rest of what you said, I’m open to it.
Exactly! We need to be mindful that Big Pharma will go to any lengths to protect the vaccination schedules, just as they have with the COVID jabs. They will fund bogus studies, and use their connections/power/money to denigrate researchers/studies that go against the narrative.
Yes! I’d always considered myself a “scientific” person - holding a Chemical Engineering degree, and all…. I was pro-vax, but these past two years opened my eyes. RFK Jr’s book on Fauci and Forrest Marready’s book “Crooked” (Toby Rogers recommendation) were a one-two punch to my beliefs!
There are other books. Would you like recommendations? My kids have never been vaccinated. Much healthier than their peers. Handle illnesses like champs. I did get vaccinated while pregnant with my first (flu, my only flu shot ever). I had several boosters just before conceiving her. I certainly wasn’t an anti-vaxxer until I looked into it.
I keep up with the research as I want my kids to protect their children (someday).
Thank you for this! Toby's Economy of Austism is a very good place to start taking a look at a complex topic through "new eyes". Also, Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries reallllllly takes apart the history, so you can see the whole premise of vaccination unravel completely and fall into a neat little mountain of yarn at your feet.
it's a mostly anti-modern age screed from a philosophy department.
but amusingly, it states: "Of all of the possible factors associated with autism in this thesis, the connection between SSRI use during pregnancy and autism is the clearest."
his discussion of vaccines is all politico-eonomic and about lack of controls.
no real evidence of causal impact is present.
please do not spam me with misrepresented high volume pieces or i'll assume you're not on the level and stop reading anything you post. you get one strike on that.
As read ICAN white papers. The sciebtifuc causality papers are there. All from govt documentation. Again I’d you don’t know wfst the 1986 Act did you Might begin to think about all the info shared with you and what you may not be aware of. It’s ok to be ignorant. But not willfully so.
Yes, they do. Zimmerman and Kelley worked primarily with the metabolic phenotype.
"Our clinical experience at Kennedy Krieger Institute over the last 15 years has shown that a deficiency of mitochondrial complex I is a common cause of regressive autism.
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Regression often can be dated to a specific event, most often a simple childhood illness, such as otitis media, streptococcal pharyngitis, or viral syndrome, or, rarely, an immunization, most often the MMR vaccine or the former DPT. The common feature of all identified precipitants is inflammation. Regression occurs either acutely during the illness or within 14 days of immunization with the MMR attenuated virus vaccine."
Who knows whether vaccines primarily cause autism? In the '60s and '70s, autism was effectively catatonia. (I'll grant you, even 1/3 of those so labeled being nonverbal is still a massive increase.) Now it's stimming. (As if! Hardly universal amongst those labeled "autistic"). IOW, until it's properly defined, in a way also applicable retrospectively, what "autism" is isn't even properly defined. Okay, it's social deficit. Rigorously define that, please! Until we know what we talk about, assigning blame for it is futile. I'd be far more amenable to blaming ubiquitous peanut allergy on this vaccine rage.
Great post except the comments about how effective and safe previous vaccine are. Look at the inserts for each of them. They are not effective and they are not safe. The same fraud in trials occurred with each and every vaccine on the market. If a blessings has come out of this tragic period of history, it’s been hesitancy on the previous vaccines. More expert eyes on these horrible, old science, long term disease causing injections with no liability is what we have needed for over 30 years.
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Democrat Dick Durbin is leading the war on supplements. It’s absolutely disgusting, what they are doing. They want the entire country sick and dependent on Big Pharma.
Combine that with the war on Real Food, and we have a full blown monopoly on HEALTHtm... the fact there are vested interests that are on the inside of it all is just... I couldn't imagine such evil.
I was pro vaccine until this vaccine and the research I had to do to get my religious exemption at work. I came to realize in that research that I had just followed along and followed the immunization schedule with my children because that’s what MY parents did. I didn’t question anything. I actually now have regrets for doing that to my children given my son’s Asperger‘s diagnosis and my daughter at 18 months having a tumor removed from her left adrenal gland. The swine flu vaccine was paused in nine states after three people died and shut down altogether after 25 people died ...fast forward to the Covid vaccines and we just keep plugging along… Remember we all had to wear a mask “even if it saves just one life“? What happened to that kind of thinking when it comes to vaccines? The pro-Covid-vax people have a “I’m fine nothing happened to me so therefore the vaccines are safe” kind of selfish thinking. I just can’t believe that there are still vaccine mandates in this country at colleges/universities, the military, and businesses… I have to write a religious exemption request for my daughter starting who is entering her freshman year at a university this fall that still requires it. A Catholic university and they require that the religious exemption request to be notarized. They even require the boosters. Still. When is this nightmare going to end? I keep praying for truth to be revealed and for people to wake up. 
AllieMarie, exact same - faith in vax & regret not knowing better & subjecting my children to same. I thought some of those Hollywood anti-vaxers were nuts. No longer.
I have not complied with the vaccine or the boosters. I work with people who literally want unvaccinated people to suffer and die. I was required to take a Covid test every week for six months while my fully vaccinated and boosted colleagues weren’t even subjected to randomized testing and they were getting knocked down by Covid. It was infuriating to watch. It’s no longer just as simple as not complying. I just don’t know what that looks like. Look what happened to the Canadian truckers movement. 
understood. not sure what it looks like either, but it starts with not complying. It took a lot of gumption for me to go into stores unmasked in the height of the nonsense and I would have people come up and whisper thanks to me. I lost most of my friends. and those losses are being filled with new, better friends. and there are way more of us than them. the truckers had a magnificent ripple effect on the whole world. this has been in the planning for a very long time. We are lucky enough to be here for the end game. and it does indeed start with non compliance. and humour. humour seems to shrivel them.
Same with regard to the masks - for the most part I refused to wear one. Had to wear one at work. I also lost a friend of over 30 years over the vaccine. When I had reached out to her asking for prayer because my employer had just issued a vaccine mandate and I was terrified she accused me of being fiercely anti-VAX. At that point in time I was only anti-the COVID-19 vax. I guess she didn’t like the fact that I had laughed when she asked me several months earlier if I was going to enter the vaccine lottery that Governor DeWine had created (if you got vaccinated you were entered into a million dollar lottery. Stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of at that point.) Because I knew she had gotten the vaccine I kept any kind of anti-vaccine comments to myself and never said anything negative about HER decision...but my laughing at the lottery must’ve really struck a nerve with her. Anyway - good point about the humor; they can’t seem to handle it.
I am there - control group n=1 - they (almost?) all got "Covid" - my last (mild) cold was Jan 2019. "... required to take [weekly] ... test" - yes - they said "PCR medically supervised" I said no - they said home test - I did one (half faked it) and stopped - that's where we are now!
I am very fortunate - nearing retirement - they need me and shudder to think of replacing me (computers) - what a long strange trip it has been! "Not complying" is better than nothing. It's a start. And many colleagues refused (soft mandated) boosters.
We are sadly in the same camp...my son has autism but he’s older and totally independent. Ditto everything you say about following along and not questioning. I just got a bug in my head after myself taking two shots and decided to investigate the vaccines. As far as people countering with “I am fine nothing happened to me,” I read an article yesterday where only 5% of the batches had about 90% of the worst adverse effects and deaths. Yes, it’s a nightmare that keeps going on and on...we thought they’d spare the young people and babies. I have a feeling this helped to wake some normies up.
Whenever folks pull the "I got vaxxed and I'm fine " anecdote, then refer to them the "so I didn't and I'm fine too" one. Two can play that silly game.
Ultimately, no one knows the long-term consequences of getting covid vs. getting vaxxed (and then getting covid, regardless) but if I'm going to make my bet I'll take the former (with some good early treatment). I did as much and I'm fine. I'll admit it was not pleasant (early treatment was not as early as ideal), but c'est la vie - the choice to abstain on this dubious transfection cocktail and take my chances with covid naturally wasn't guaranteed to be a risk-free investment (in my short or long-term immune health) but then nothing is. These covid jabs are certainly not, either.
But if PHE are so willing to obscure the scientific data to this degree during covid and blatantly push this level of 'vaccine' nonsense, one would have to be a fool not to wonder to the degree they've been doing it all along.
I love your work! Truly. The world needs more bad kitties batting around the tough questions that just won't die. BUT, this platitude gave me a great big, concerned pause. "you know why people trusted vaccines for MMR and polio and diphtheria? because as long as you didn’t get some cut rate version from a bill gates crony, they worked. they had long records of safety and efficacy. you got the vax, the side effects were negligible, and you did not get the disease. polio and measles and smallpox went away."
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh :-/ Whose gonna tell kitty.....?
Looks like bad kitty needs to do their research on the history of allll vaccines. If kitty is exasperated now....yikes! Can't even imagine how they'll feel when they realize that not one of the liability-free childhood vaccines is or was ever safe, effective, or necessary to advance individual or public health. And that there have been more injuries and deaths attributed in full or in part to those vaccines than kitty could wrap his feline mind around. And those parents and families have been ignored and silenced for decades. DOJ don't play. Ain't nothin' negligible, kitty. You ain't gonna find those "long records of safety and efficacy", but I do urge the Cat to take a long, hard look for 'em. And the history of the SP, MMR, and Polio injections is arguably just as twisted and dark as this "massive carpet of tactical twaddle made up on the fly from dodgy data and dodgier intentions" that we've all just watched unfold before our very eyes.
I agree it’s not a slam dunk and the safety profiles are nothing like the current Covid vaccines. However adverse events do exist and on a greater scale than what is reported in VAERS and I think that’s the point many parents who have dealt with vaccine injury are trying to make. that and what were the actual risks of certain diseases versus the risks of the vaccine because that calculus is very blurry right now.

I don’t know if you’ve watched the WHO meeting from the fall of 2019 where they talked about vaccine hesitancy. It’s somewhat jaw dropping in a lot of ways because they talked about the fact that most of the vaccine hesitant have legitimate questions that do not have answers. They had a discussion about adjuvants and how different adjuvants are selected for different antigens. One health minister from an African country asked how the vaccine manufacturers were so confident there wouldn’t be adverse reactions when administering multiple doses from different companies at the same time using different adjuvants (these things are not tested). There was no answer except for, well we give them in different limbs. Now we know that not every vaccine stays in the injection site. Do we not think this is some thing to study and look at? There are many questions like this that have never been looked at and never been addressed. Not on the scale of this COVID-19 vaccine for sure, but that doesn’t matter when it happens to you or your kid.
While I don’t think vaccines are the sole reason for the explosion of childhood chronic illness and autism rates, I do think they are a contributing factor. Environmental toxins are everywhere and this generation is more toxic than their parents, and their grandparents so on it so forth. So can excessive immune activation cause neuro inflammation and a cascade of other injuries to the body that lead to auto immunity, yes absolutely.
And the last thing I think people get so frustrated with is the 1986 act in the United States. The complete blanket from liability for any vaccine on the childhood schedule. We know this is why they’re pushing it for children so hard in this country because they can never end the UA unless it’s on the schedule so that way this vaccine would be covered under that liability shield. Most people had no idea that this liability shield even existed and it just makes people think and wonder.
Oh, also I learned recently from a discussion between Geert Vanden Bosch and Dell Bigtree that apparently Geert was part of a conversation at the WHO about removing aluminum as an adjuvant because they were aware of its toxicity to the human body. Pharmaceutical companies prevented that from happening but that was some thing I did not know, neither did Dell because he was surprised when Geert mentioned that. Aluminum has long been some thing the vaccine hesitant community has fought against because of Chris Exeley’s work and discovering large deposits of aluminum in the brains of autistic individuals. There are many many pieces to the puzzle but this is an important one I do not think we should just so casually overlook.
What have you "looked at"? The vast swath of research into naturally acquired immunity VS injected antigens, adjuvants, and emulsifiers? The gut/brain/immune axis and how injections throw it into disorder and dysfunction? The early development permeability of the blood brain barrier and the biopersistance of injected aluminum? The history of disease and mortality and morbidity in the western world? The biological consequences of injecting neurotoxins/mutated virueses/foreign human and animal DNA into babies? Insertional mutagenesis? Current rates of chronic disease and neurodevelopmental injury in kiddos these days? The dirty mess behind the curtain of FDA/CDC scientific integrity and ethics? You've looked into all of that and more and still don't get it? Hmm. Kitten needs a nap.
This. EGM, I have confidence in you. If you don’t look at anything else, look well into the MMR injured, the HPV/gardisil injured wherein girls as young as 13 have been rendered infertile and sent into menopause, where the USA sent gardisil 1 to other nations like India and Africa because it was too dangerous for us— but hey, Billy & Tony don’t have a fig abt Africans nor Indians, so they can use this clusterbleep of a vax. And look into hours-old infants having “vitamin K” (which is abt as much of a vitamin
i’m as these jabs are a vax) and HEPATITIS vax (because infants are all the time having sex!) and then look into the Hannah Pollan case wherein MERCK was forced to pay $5 million plus a lifetime support fee because (in a nutshell) her parents were able to show that she did in fact descend into autism after a “catch up” round of vax. Don’t read the first dozen articles you find. They gloss over it. Really dive deeply.
It's unbelievable to me they got so many takers. How in the world did this make any sense? Who would believe that this was the science on such flimsy data and with fauci as the head cheerleader.
I love Trump but the fact that he shut the economy down at all was the biggest error he ever made...on the word of a proven liar? C'mon...all you needed to do was listen to this man who flip flopped on everything and you wouldn't have taken this vaccine but everyone did...my smart friends rushed for it! They wouldn't consider that there might be serious side effects when they were everywhere.
It was like a bad dream. I even began to think in my weaker moments that maybe it was me that was missing something!
I got rid of my doctor after one huge argument...and my trust in the medical community is forever fractured.
Agree completely. Trump's original instincts were correct and he got rolled by Birx and Fauci, two absolute felonious clowns. That's a pretty big stain on his leadership.
The 'smart' friends who were first in line for the jab were anything but, despite the many degrees after their names. Same phenomenon in my world... the 'smarter' turned out to be, well, braindead.
I have "smart" friends who got it, but by and large the people in my circle whom I consider truly intelligent, who also happen to have letters by their names, didn't. A lot of PhD's chose not to be injected. And then, there were people who said they would never get it, and then caved after the mandates were removed in order to travel, after having not left the country for two years and lying to their families who thought not getting it made you evil.
I have this possible argument coming up next month at my annual...he’s going to get tested. Has anybody else done this with their doctor...asked them if they changed their mind on the jab? I think the Trumpsters just want him to admit it and all is forgiven, but I think because of ego he won’t. 
My physician has never even brought up the subject of covid vaccines with me. He is a member of that dwindling species, General Practicioner, with 40+ years experience in the same town delivering babies, removing tonsils, etc. What was once commonly known as a "trusted family physician". When he retires or dies I suppose I will be doctor-less. I have no idea what he thinks about the covid vaccine and I've never mentioned it, although I can guess his views based on our brief discussions about the current dismal state of the medical system. He also doesn't accept insurance, so that's a tell.
I did. I got her to give my a scrip for HCQ in July 2020. I told her pretty soon they’d be threatening drs. I gave her all current Plandemic proof then. 8 months later I went in to get ivermectin. She’d been double vaxxed. I was silent. She knew by my silence she screwed up. 34 year old beautiful woman woth her e tire life ahead of her. She fled to KY. I now have ultra catholic dr who refuses to givevcovid shots , will give you saline injection if you can’t get exemption. Wil give medical exemption and mask exemption in writing. He’s a hero.
It feels better to tell yourself that these people have just been confused, misled, fed incorrect information and have "made a mistake" than to confront the realization that it was 100% deliberate and planned. At some point, though, you've really got to take the blinders off and face the ugly truth.
There's a serial killer in the neighborhood. Stop going to sleep with your doors unlocked.
good grief. were they 'smart' enough to have created a world wide consensus? to have long term strategies to place their stooges in governments and cabinets around the world? EGM you seriously might want to consider the hubris of thinking you know more than everyone else. That your readership, whom you presumably approve of for being your readership, overwhelmingly are pointing something out to you which you refuse to see.
The jury is still out on this for me. I think some DID plan a lot of it, and some of it was opportunistic and predatory. Really, Fauci’s part in it was planned and staged. The whole HIV/AZT thing was a dress rehearsal. Billy (from the) Gates (of hell), with his massive God complex and massive cash stash had a lot to do with it. Look into his HPV/gardisil connection and India’s official reaction to that fiasco. It’s all so diabolical, the devil himself had to have plenty to do with it. It’s too well woven to be the work of any 3-4 people or even a committee.
By the way, KC....the massachusetts department of children and families, our "child protective services" agency decreed in early 2021 that the experimental shot was considered to be "routine medical" and every child unfortunate enough to come into the agency who was (oh goody for them) "eligible" was expected to get it. Turns out that this is the M.O. of DCF; back when the AIDS situation came out and the experimental (and horrendously dangerous and devastating) drug AZT came out as a "savior".....guess what, the Agency ALSO decried that it was to be considered "routine medical". Every single scumbag manager in this state should be on trial for Crimes Against Humanity, and the Agency itself should be shut down. It's despicable.
It doesn't have to be a "dress rehearsal", it can equally just be Fauci being the lowlife that he is, several times over as convenient situations come up, and getting promoted instead of called out over it. Old dogs new tricks, and all that.
Gates, though, I could quite believe he is deliberately meddling, I'm just not ready to draw a conclusion on whether he is genuinely deluded that he is "doing good" with his foolishness.
Like a good girl, I thought Gates was a fabulous philanthropist and I’m certain he has done a world of good but it appears that he has also used Africans and others as guinea pigs, as their laws and medical structures are not as stringent as ours. If you read RFK jr’s THE REAL ANTHONY FAUCI, you may see a different side. I mean toward him starting out doing good and eventually puffing himself up and garnering a humongous God Complex, the likes of which is only seen in Klaus Schwab and the WEF people—- and I use the term “people” lightly.
While I completely agree that the jowels of the bureaucratic lower levels have been quivering anticipatorially with glee envisioning piles of money.....those at the top levels who are the actual puppet masters are scarily smart. I was a middle manager for a state agency in massachusetts until they fired me at the end of last year for refusing to bow to tyranny. I watched the way the entire scenario rolled out from my vantage point as an insider. Little foundational pieces had been laid out quietly going back twenty years.....and in 2021, the pieces clicked all together. The statewide health insurance mandate across the entire population came from a rhino governor (Romney) and was embraced by the majority, a clever 'nonpartisan' strategy. At the time, the CURRENT rhino governnor (Baker) was up to his neck in both the health insurance industry (as CEO of Harvard Pilgram) and the tech industry, which was where he started out.....and a bosom buddy of the Romster. This mandate flipped the switch on the electronic medical record system that began being assembled behind the scenes...without the knowledge of the citizenry of massachusetts. The state's top five priorities, posted year after year from that point on, always listed electronic infrastructure as #1....but there was never any publicity paid to this, and only those of us who were involved in finance even bothered to read the voluminous reports, which detailed a whole lot of stuff that didn't seem to even be happening. Fast forward a decade, and good old Charlie registered his private corporation with the secretary of state called "CDBII Partners LLC" ( ID 001112765) whose activities were "to provide management services primarily to healthcare organizations". This company, with very little information about its actual activities available anywhere, has been in existance throughout his tenure as governor....despite the appearance of a conflict of interest. In early 2020 right when the plandemic was announced, quiet reports about Baker partnering with a little-known tech company to "pilot the rollout of a contact tracing system" across the state began popping up in financial and tech media articles. Then....in August of 2021, Baker mandated a decree that all exec branch state employees take the experimental shots as a condition of employment AND voluntarily enter their personal information into a state-operated app. Which, it turned out, interfaced with the behind-the-scenes medical record network. Employees who made up bogus lot numbers ended up getting their information bounced back as "unverifiable". - On the day that the state agencies announced the mandate to their employees, all the Unions announced same to their membership.....and it turned out that the Union bosses had been called into an "emergency" meeting the night before with the Secretary of Health and Human Services where they were TOLD that this mandate was not negotiable, and there was no bargaining. No options. At the meeting with the top managers in my agency, our commissioner informed us about the mandates, and also admitted that those "rare few" who would be granted religious exemptions would also be required to volunteer their personal information into the database. Turns out that in my agency of just over 4000 staff, around 700 people submitted religious exemptions. NOT ONE was approved for accommodation of 100% remote work, an accommodation that had already been proven to be both reasonable and an established precendent for the prior 18 months. - In retrospect, every step of the way really seemed like a well-orchestrated plan being laid out. Too many "coincidences" to be random. And, after seeing all the patents on file for the coronavirus, the spike protein, the mRNA, et al...and the videos with the world economic forum and panels of "experts" (including Bill Gates, who isn't an expert in anything other than making money) with their plandemic drills happening in the months before the whole thing started, it definitely feels like it was all too well coordinated to be just a bunch of people all taking advantage of random opportunities to make a lot of money on a big misfortune. Just sayying.
The trust was violated a long time ago. If ordinary vaccines worked so well, why does everyone now need 4 shots, say, for MMR? Instead of the 2 shots that us Gen Xers got as kids? There are so many more questions like this.
I'm somewhat agnostic on the value of most preventative vaccines -- in that sense I am not a true antivaxxer -- but it seems unassailable that they simply aren't responsible for the vast, vast decreases in mortality from infectious disease over the last two centuries.
It feels to me like a lot of people on "our side" are still bargaining.
There are only a few bad apples...
We can fix the system...
If the good people were in place this wouldn't have happened... we'd still be living in a world where the rivers are made of chocolate and the clouds are cotton candy and none of the children are suffering from the highest levels of chronic illness in history, and are laughing and playing and dancing with gumdrop smiles...
Yep. Most of the reduction in mortality from infectious disease that has been ascribed to mass vaccination is really do to much more basic improvements in infrastructure. Things like widespread access to clean water. The arrow of time is a thing, and the mortality reductions generally preceded vaccination by a substantial span of time.
OTOH, when a bunch of jenny mcarthy addled marin mommies stopped getting their kids the MMR vaxx, they got measles outbreaks in places there had not been a single case in decades.
it was small (because ~95% of kids and nearly all adults around them were vaxxed) but it does crop up.
note also that a lot of the rise in survival was due to better care as well. treatments for many diseases, even if just access to IV etc went way up.
the fact that morality was dropping anyway is clear, but this does not mean vaccines do not work.
i am not aware of a single case of someone with full MMR inoculation (2 doses) getting measles (unless severely immuno suppressed and nothing will work then) are you?
That opens a whole other question, which is the mania for vaccinating against viruses that aren't generally life-threatening, e.g. the flu shot. If you're talking something with high mortality, it's fairly easy to make the case that the risk/reward balance falls in favour of vaccination (assuming, that is, that the double-blind testing was done honestly, e.g. the placebo wasn't a needle full of adjuvants, which, yeah.)
On the other other hand, when you're talking about a common childhood illness with essentially zero mortality (e.g., chickenpox), then your product needs to be exceptionally safe to pass muster. Further, there's the issue of whether, in not getting infected with the wild virus, the child actually misses out on an important biological process. In some cases they could be getting something valuable from that infection.
Yes. Childhood cancers are through the roof compared to 50 years ago. Hygiene hypothesis is not responsible for that one! Febrile infections have been inversely correlated with cancer rates for a couple of hundred years, though, and we understand some of the mechanisms now.
My older sisters (eldest is from 1961) all had measles as children, one even had chicken pox concurrently and got some mention in the medical annals.... My understanding is that natural immunity was and is still superior and if allowed to circulate as a childhood disease it does little damage and tops up herd immunity much more effectively. But if you have a bunch of people who were not exposed to the virus because of mass vaccination, you will have outbreaks. Still, how many people die from these outbreaks in developed countries and is it worth the side effects from vaccines when a good immune system could do better without the risks? It’s not to me, not anymore. Not when it’s your child and it is my child. Why do we not teach people to strengthen their health?
I don’t know this for sure but vaccinations for rubella and mumps seem to be the only ones that are essential since getting those diseases in adulthood can be catastrophic, rubella for a pregnant woman and mumps for a teenage boy. So what if someone gets regular measles or chickenpox? Almost nonexistent mortality in children. And then if they get those diseases they really do have a lifetime immunity, plus a pregnant mother with natural immunity can give her developing baby immunity. It’s the aluminum adjuvants in vaccines that should be tested and trialed and never give a baby more than one or two vaccines at a time, never when they’re sick, try to wait til after age 3, and don’t give them Tylenol before and after the shots. And childhood vaccinations have NOT been rigorously tested over decades, go reread the literature.
I wondered why in early grade school they subjected us to a full-court press to get the German measles vaccine; how it blinded the infected, etc. I'd already had German measles, rubella, chickenpox and mumps; in fact, was just back in the classroom after recovering from one of those last two. Seems the measles vaccine had just been introduced. How did I manage to see the blackboard and the Dick & Jane books? Was it hyped? Granted, my sister and I spent our vacation in the summer of 1962 in a basement so we wouldn't get exposed to harmful amounts of sunlight.
I don't really know the subject in enough detail tbh, but I'd be very surprised if there were literally zero cases of fully inoculated children catching a given virus. Some will have relatively weak immune systems, therefore an insufficient immune response to generate lasting immunity. Which isn't necessarily an argument that it isn't effective at a population level.
We had an entire vaccinated ship of Navy personnel come down with mumps a couple of years ago. How the fuck did that happen? LOL. They are all vaccinated up the wazoo.
I only got one MMR as a small kid. Gen X. They added the 2nd one when I was over ten. I got it and a Tdap booster and immediately developed vitiligo. Vitiligo is venerated everywhere now. Studies show it’s caused by the aluminum in vaccines.
That's interesting. I was born in 75. How old are you? I'm pretty sure I got two MMR shots as a kid.
It's very difficult to make safe vaccines. The aluminum is added as a danger signal. You need it to get the desired immune response. That's why it's added. I'm therefore skeptical there is really any such thing as a safe vaccine, especially when you start piling shot on top of shot and increasing the total body burden of highly toxic elements that aren't kept out of systemic circulation by the digestive system, often in a huge bolus.
I don't think therapeutic vaccines, such as the one I manufacture, are entirely safe either. But the risk/reward ratio is completely and totally different. Most of the people being treated are suffering from debilitating morbidity or they are terminally ill. In that context it makes sense that you would take a risk with a therapy that has a 0.1% or 1% chance of causing systemic inflammatory response syndrome, etc.
this seems like an iffy standard as literally everything has risks.
looked at the same way, is any water or food truly "safe"?
it's all risk/benefit. i mean, no one would get shots if they did nothing just as you would not eat food that might have some level of pesticide or drink water than might have heavy metals unless it also conferred benefit.
Of course. Totally agreed. But if you argue that preventative vaccines work... let's just accept this premise (even though I don't)... you actually have to *conduct* a risk benefit analysis.
There are game theoretic aspects to this, argue the maxx vaxxers. i.e. If incidence and mortality are quite low at a given point in time, people who don't vaxx are "free riders" whose luck will eventually run out.
I think that's totally wrong but I'll make my own post on it on my own stack and link back here when I'm done.
I think Wakefield is an honest actor and not a fraud. That belief is not mutually exclusive with the belief that vaccines are responsible for all the autism (because I personally don't believe that).
Where does the blame for autoimmune disease lie? I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that.
I'd also ask a rhetorical question to make a point. Where does the blame for heart disease lie? (In reality, it's probably on over a dozen factors...)
Keep looking. NO NET POSITIVE. Every injection does harm. Vaccination is not immunization.
Me thinks you might not understand Wakefiled's original scientific questioning. He studied a group of kiddos with PDD "pervasive developmental disorder" IE today's ASD. Major changes after MMR. These kiddos also had polyps in their colons which housed the live measles virus..... that was really curious. Points to Gut/Brain/Immune axis dysregulation. What could causes it?!?! Also, why does the MMR seem to be the gateway to brain injury from injection? Well, because you spent the first 12-15 months of the babies life injecting "dead" vaccines packed with neurotoxic adjuvants, which are scattered and attached to the macrophages in the body, then BAM! 3 live virus vaccine hits the child's immune system, activate several immune function mechanisms that are bogged down with toxic aluminum, and the gut/brain/immune axis pathways are now toxic highways. Don't forget that permeable blood brain barrier. The biological mechanisms of vaccine injury are complex and multi layered. Every injection does harm. The innate immune system is being dysregulated from birth. This is one slice of the pie, but a BIG ONE. Gotta turn the genetic susceptibility, MTHFR, c-section and the babies gut microbiome, formula, and acetaminophen rocks over too, dude. Keep looking!
So the Wakefield take down was a completely justified action by the same players? Have we leaned nothing of the tactics? It was you who opened my eyes! I used to just believe the accusations of fraud....
"no one would get shots if they did nothing" ??? Really? Can't we think of any actual case where people got shot after shot that did nothing. SADS and myocarditis don't count. Or are people lining up consciously for these effect of the shots?
They didn't add the second shot until 1990, so I really doubt you got two as a tiny kid as you are a little older than I am. The uptake was very low in the 1980s for the first shot, less than 50%.
My parents had the measles. It was NBD. I have the letter from my Grandma where she told my Dad about all his childhood illness dates. It was a nothing burger to her. It's far worse in countries were kids are malnourished. It's also worse because of fear-mongering. Vitamins C and A are needed in high doses.
I have that, too. I was given a great many vaccines in the military. It developed after. Just FYI there was a study highlighted by epoch times on how high vitamin D helped people reverse vitiligo.
I'm a military brat. And my husband is AD AF, about to be kicked out after 16+ years, for passing on the covid pokes.
I am frustrated I didn't keep the study link re: guinea pigs and aluminuim adjuvants + vitiligo
Mercifully, mine is not too bad. Maybe because I supplement with D! It was awful as a teen though. I never saw anyone else with it in the early 1990s. Now, I see people all the time.
They've been making commercials with models that have it too. It's to normalize it like so many other conditions that are on the rise. Plus you have to know about it so you can get whatever bogus treatments pharma will come out with.
"it seems unassailable that they simply aren't responsible for the vast, vast decreases in mortality from infectious disease over the last two centuries."
Maybe a combination of herd immunity and loss of virulence in pathogens as the fatal variants weeded themselves out?
The problem here is that it's actually a bit difficult to make a risk benefit analysis. Back in the 50s, a few hundred kids died of measles in the US every year. Today, about 10 people die from the measles vaccine every year that are obvious, but... how much morbidity are these vaccines causing? Are there vax deaths that aren't obvious? And in altering epidemiology in this way, what are the hidden trade-offs (such as rises in childhood cancer due to suppression of febrile childhood illnesses)? Etc.
These really aren't easy questions to answer actually. But I suspect (again, it's a suspicion, not anything like a proven hypothesis) that the dramatic decline in febrile childhood illnesses, *whatever* the cause (vaccines or not) is causing thousands of deaths yearly from childhood cancer. So is that worth it to save a few hundred kids from measles? Personally, I'd say no. If I had a kid, I would rather it have measles and die in a day or two rather than go slowly with cancer. Also if I had kids that's a risk I'd *probably* be willing to take with my present knowledge and investigation.
Yes, there are some very powerful factors responsible for this and I doubt we even know what they all are. Take Strep pyogenes, which has no vaccine... unless it's a therapeutic vaccine like the one I make, Coley's toxins. (Interestingly Strep products were stiff-armed by the FDA for about 34 years for really no reason at all, til 2006...)
Many strains possessing superantigens that cause scarlet fever, rheumatic fever, and erysipelas strongly declined.... even before the advent of antibiotics. Viral respiratory illnesses aren't exactly the same in that sanitation seems to do little. You could argue that sanitation alone is responsible for the decrease in virulence, but I'm not so sure.
And possibly a reduction in modesty allowed more vitamin D production and thus a better functioning immune system.
Burkas prevent vitamin D production. Bathing suits that expose more skin allowed more vitamin D production. A cultural preference for tanning reduces vitamin D production.
Prior to the 1900s, people exposed very little skin in the cities. Country folk were more practical. And most plagues were in the cities.
Would you please point me towards the randomized double blind *inert* placebo controlled vaccine safety studies you were reading that informed you of this?
The FDA seem to have misplaced them. They couldn't find them even after a lawsuit but it is wonderful that you have. Show us.
Where do I start? Well, I am vaccine injured from the polio jab. Almost died when I was 3 months old in 1957. After my 4th jab, I developed spinal meningitis, was quarantined and couldn't walk for a while. I was 8 years old. After that I developed to this day - serious gut issues that make me avoid food. Gut issues for 60 years. Family members are vaccine injured as well. 1961 jabs caused allergies to fish/nuts/milk/you-name-it. 1968 jabs caused a lifetime of Tourette's. 1995 jabs caused seizures and then diabetes Most of my tax clients' kids are sick as shit. I have seen more medical records for 3 year olds with cancer in the past 7 years than I care to count. Cancers, seizures, autism, allergies, asthma, emotional disorders, skin issues, gut problems, you name it. And this was BEFORE the death jab was introduced in Dec 2020. Colleagues kids are sick as shit as well. MORE young ones with CANCER. St. Jude is a self-fulfilling hospital. Ever noticed how the birth rate is declining but children's hospitals are springing up like weeds? In 2019, my local hospital put in a new pediatric unit to deal with seizures. Because the demand for services to treat childhood seizures (can you day Dtap?) has escalated immensely. I have a colleague whose 5 year old grandson does not walk or talk. He is under the "care" of CHOP, a vaccine whorehouse. Of course the doctors tell her that her grandson has a "unique genetic code." Code for bullshit. Vaccines are processed like wars. Destroy something (in this case, start with the immune system) and then pay out the wazoo to rebuild it. Read "Dissolving Illusions" Polio, et al were eradicated before the introduction of the medical wonder jabs. The BEST thing that happened out of this clusterfuck plandemic was for the powers that be to call this death jab a "vaccine" AND for people to then start questioning vaccines. Lord knows I've broached the subject often in the past decade (Maybe vaccines are not safe and effective) and been shut down and gaslit endlessly.
It’s not just vaccines. It’s statins and dietary guidance and ivermectin doesn’t work… and so much more. The lies the healthcare industry has told us are legion. And now it seems the entire line of research on amyloid plaques as the root cause of dementia is based on fraudulent research. We have been massively red pilled. You just can’t put this kind of toothpaste back into the tube. https://youtu.be/scC2ElT3jO8
Read my comments. I’m a parent of two vaxx injured kids. 3rd not vaxxed. Healthy. I only mevtion eldest son , brain damaged by DPT shot in 88. Unvaxxed 6 yr old daughter healthy until my trusted DO convinced me to vaxx her with “ SAFE “ DtAP. Within months she got permenent severe RA ! On federal disability. Before internet. I had no idea beyond “ A shot in the dark “ and mendolsons book. We were told it was a hot lot. I didn’t know about Lois fisher. Thank GOD in a way for this VIDS and Plandemic. It’s waking most people up. FINALLY. Ty for your comments !
Here is a long time editor of a top med journal NEJM:
"it is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines"
“they had long records of safety and efficacy. you got the vax, the side effects were negligible, and you did not get the disease. polio and measles and smallpox went “
Tell that to my niece who has to take medicine every day and eat an extremely restrictive keto diet at 8 years old because she started having seizures after her MMR shot at 5. Her Iowa city docs told my bro “don’t vaccinate your other kids.” Do you think there is a vaers report for this?!
The same ass holes who tell you the Covid vaccines are safe are the same ass holes who tell you the other ones are safe.
Just curious how long after MMR the seizures started? My daughter also developed epilepsy six months after her second MMR and at first I didn’t listen to my antivaxxer friends that there might be a link. Now I’m not at all sure that there isn’t. She is also a pharma slave on daily meds, though we don’t bother with the keto diet because she needs the meds no matter what. We consider ourselves comparatively lucky, but let me tell you the whole thing was and is a fucking nightmare.
El Gato Malo, I urge you to read RFK Jr's book The Real Doctor Fauci. He talks about these allegedly "safe vaccines" and how NONE of them have ever had a true safety test.
He discusses how shortly after 1986 when the National Childhood Vaccination Act was passed - when vaccine manufacturers were all cleared of any liability - how autism, chronic illnesses, nut allergies, diabetes and other autoimmune disorders began their meteoric ride.
And unlike Scarf Lady's posturing book, RFK Jr's is all thoroughly documented. Eye opening and infuriating!
I got to read more on the hygiene hypothesis but having a kid in daycare be sick for 3 years straight doesn't lend itself to the idea their immune system isn't being challenged. hmm any obersvational studies on kids at daycare vs those at home who perhaps would be challenged less?
el gato perhaps you wouldnt be so sure about polio if you read this, fraud has been going on for longer than my lifetime:
1824: Metal workers had suffered for centuries from a paralysis similar to polio caused by the lead and arsenic in the metals they were working with. English scientist John Cooke observed: 'The fumes from these metals, or the receptance of them in solution into the stomach, often causes paralysis.'
1890: Lead arsenate pesticide started to be sprayed in the US up to 12 times every summer to kill codling moth on apple crops.
1892: Polio outbreaks began to occur in Vermont, an apple growing region. In his report the Government Inspector Dr. Charles Caverly noted that parents reported that some children fell ill after eating fruit. He stated that 'infantile paralysis usually occurred in families with more than one child, and as no efforts were made at isolation it was very certain it was non-contagious' (with only one child in the family having been struck).
1907: Calcium arsenate comes into use primarily on cotton crops.
1908: In a Massachusetts town with three cotton mills and apple orchards, 69 children suddenly fell ill with infantile paralysis.
1909: The UK bans apple imports from the States because of heavy lead arsenate residues.
1921: Franklin D. Roosevelt develops polio after swimming in Bay of Fundy, New Brunswick. Toxicity of water may have been due to pollution run-off.
1943: DDT is introduced, a neurotoxic pesticide. Over the next several years it comes into widespread use in American households. For example, wall paper impregnated with DDT was placed in children's bedrooms.
1943: A polio epidemic in the UK town of Broadstairs, Kent is linked to a local dairy where cows were washed down with DDT.
1944: Albert Sabin reports that a major cause of sickness and death of American troops based in the Philippines was poliomyelitis. US military camps there were sprayed daily with DDT to kill mosquitoes. Neighboring Philippine settlements were not affected.
1944: NIH reports that DDT damages the same anterior horn cells that are damaged in infantile paralysis.
1946: Gebhaedt shows polio seasonality correlates with fruit harvest.
1949: Endocrinologist Dr Morton Biskind, a practitioner and medical researcher, found that DDT causes 'lesions in the spinal cord similar to human polio.'
1950: US Public Health Industrial Hygiene Medical Director, J.G. Townsend, notes the similarity between parathion poisoning and polio and believes that some polio might be caused by eating fruits or vegetables with parathion residues.
1951: Dr. Biskind treats his polio patients as poisoning victims, removing toxins from food and environment, especially DDT contaminated milk and butter. Dr. Biskind writes: 'Although young animals are more susceptible to the effects of DDT than adults, so far as the available literature is concerned, it does not appear that the effects of such concentrations on infants and children have even been considered.'
1949-1951: Other doctors report they are having success treating polio with anti toxins used to treat poisoning, dimercaprol and ascorbic acid. Example: Dr. F. R. Klenner reported: 'In the poliomyelitis epidemic in North Carolina in 1948 60 cases of this disease came under our care... The treatment was massive doses of vitamin C every two to four hours. Children up to four years received vitamin C injection intramuscularly... All patients were clinically well after 72 hours.'
1950: Dr. Biskind presents evidence to the US Congress that pesticides were the major cause of polio epidemics. He is joined by Dr. Ralph Scobey who reported he found clear evidence of poisoning when analyzing chemical traces in the blood of polio victims.
Comment: This was a no no. The viral causation theory was not something to be questioned. The careers of prominent virologists and health authorities were threatened. Biskind and Scobey's ideas were subjected to ridicule.
1953: Clothes are moth-proofed by washing them in EQ-53, a formula containing DDT.
1953: Dr. Biskind writes: 'It was known by 1945 that DDT was stored in the body fat of mammals and appears in their milk... yet far from admitting a causal relationship between DDT and polio that is so obvious, which in any other field of biology would be instantly accepted, virtually the entire apparatus of communication, lay and scientific alike, has been devoted to denying, concealing, suppressing, distorting and attempts to convert into its opposite this overwhelming evidence. Libel, slander, and economic boycott have not been overlooked in this campaign.'
1954: Legislation recognizing the dangers of persistent pesticides is enacted, and a phase out of DDT in the US accelerates along with a shift of sales of DDT to third world countries.
(Note that DDT is phased out at the same time as widespread polio vaccinations begin. Saying that, polio cases sky rocket only in communities that accept the polio vaccine, as the polio vaccine is laced with heavy metals and other toxins, so the paralysis narrative starts all over again. As the polio vaccines cause huge spikes in polio, the misinformed public demand more polio vaccine and the cycle spirals skyward exponentially)
1956: the American Medical Association mandated that all licensed medical doctors could no longer classify polio as polio. All polio diagnosis would be rejected in favor of Guillian-Barre Syndrome, AFP (acute flaccid paralysis), Bell's Palsy, Cerebral Palsy, ALS, (Lou-Gehrig's Disease), MS, MD etc etc. This sleight of hand was fabricated with the sole intent of giving the public the impression that the polio vaccine was successful at decreasing polio or eradicating polio. The public bought this hook, line and sinker and to this very day, many pro vaccine arguments are ignited by the manufactured lie regarding the polio vaccine eradicating polio.
1962: Rachel Carson's Silent Spring is published.
1968: DDT registration cancelled for the US.
2008: Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP) is still a raging in many parts of the world where pesticide use is high, and DDT is still used. AFP. MS, MD, Bell's Palsy, cerebral palsy, ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease), Guillian-Barre are all catch basket diagnosis, all similar in symtpoms, tied to heavy metal poisoning and high toxic load.
2008: WHO states on its website: 'There is no cure for polio. Its effects are irreversible.'
Conclusion: Modern belief that polio is caused by a virus is an ongoing tragedy for the children of the world. Public funds are wasted on useless and dangerous vaccines when the children could be treated with antitoxins. A call into failing vaccine mythology is warranted, as is a complete investigation of the real agenda being executed against humanity involving science, chemicals, vaccines, the medical field in general, and the government.
You know what? This is something I can actually thank them for. I never questioned the safety of vaccines before, and now let’s just say my illusions have been dissolved:
• “Dissolving Illusions” (https://smile.amazon.com/Dissolving-Illusions-Suzanne-Humphries-ebook/dp/B00E7FOA0U/)
• https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/crooks-who-approved-covid-vaxx-approved
• https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/dissolving-my-vaxxed-illusions
P.S. I added this as a separate comment below but don’t want people to miss it so will append here:
• https://drtesslawrie.substack.com/p/how-did-needles-become-so-normal
While I have always been somewhat ‘vaccine hesitant’, I had no idea of the depth of the evil. I’m 65 and my kids were on the low end of the “vaccine schedule” in the late 1980s. The first time that I started to feel that something wasn’t right was when my youngest son turned 14 and they wanted to give him the HPV shot. When I questioned it I was told that I should “protect his future wife”. No-hard pass. I have had maybe 5 flu shots in my life, all due to employer mandates. I will NEVER take another shot, for anything. I trust my God created immune system.
I was told same for my 12 yr old son around 2010...by MY gynecologist! Seems the script was everywhere. " For future daughter in law's sake". 😳. Of course I stood firm at. "no". His (son's) own pediatrician went so far as to say I was being bad mother....right in front of him. LAST VISIT! (Fired him). 😌😅
Whenever a doctor prescribes meds that seem unnecessary -- assume they are sponsored by that company and are working towards an all expenses paid 'conference' to a luxury resort.
Should it be standard to ask - why are you prescribing this as it seems to be overkill / not needed -- and do you receive any incentives for doing so?
And notice all the advertising on their clocks, calenders, etc... around their offiice....
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HPV for a male to “protect his future wife”?! 😲
Yes! That’s what they said! I am thankful that my gut instinct to protect him was strong! I too have now read ‘Dissolving Illusions’ and done a lot of research on the subject. This corona mess opened my eyes to all of the corruption in Pharma, medicine, food industry, etc. I am a therapist and have witnessed the increase in autism rates over the years, not to mention the latest insanity around “gender”. The mental health world is captured too, and I am one of few who don’t play that game.
For girls to be healthy fertile future wives, it is far better for them to preserve their virginity than to submit to sketchy vaccines. Just saying....
and that jab too is not working. I saw a 30 something who had been damaged by the vaccine, recovered, only to find out a few years later she had the sickness it was meant to protect her from (I think it is in the vaxxed film)
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I recall following the shot protocol early on with my sons, then as I learned more and came across NVIC and comments others were making, and noticing the ridiculous number of shots growing so quickly, I upped my researching and began refusing. I think there is just so much to dig through and seemingly not enough time for new parents to dig through it all.
I am glad I woke up and can pass along info I learn. In retrospect, I'm sure my sons had effects from their shots over the years- one has ADD (and he emphasizes NOT Hyperactive component per his doc...), and he also had intermittent tics (blinky behaviors) when younger and would periodically reemerge ln later years. I can see he is so on the spectrum, but functioning. He is fortunate it isn;'t worse. In retrospect, I also recall both of them playing with their fingers- staring at them trance-like. That disappeared and I never even thought to look at timing or when it started- it wasn't excessive- subtle, but with shot timing and all. It can be so obscure. Perhaps another interfering factor with all the other toxins out there. My husband also traveled a lot so I was more of a working single mom racing around, having to keep up with all that and he had no clue how vigilant one had to be with the health care system as one begins to notice the deception....one can't let their guard down. When this whole COVID thing hit and I was glued to reading up on it all, his initial scoffing turned to slowly waking up to reality. He had no idea of the pressures I had to endure with the doctors and the boys and shots..... We mom's have to really be so vigilant all the time with our kids....and it goes on and on with this corrupt system. When they get older, we can only pass info. along and cross our fingers they make the right choices for their health. I recall feeling so glad they made it through college and got out of it prior to all this mandating nonsense.
I agree with what you said about the mental health world too, Jennifer! Captured. It is everywhere. Hypervigilance is so necessary nowadays!
Your story of your sons sounds like my sons. He was 5 in 1989. Started with rolling of ankles, rolling eyes( to left), tucs, clearing his throat, obsession with his shoelaces being even, headaches, and more. Pediatrician said he was hyperactive. I said no way. Spent a year testing at UCONN HOSPITAL, no answers. Thankfully he outgrew most of it as he got older. Now mostly headaches. I never realized until I looked into this vaccine. I am so angry now. We didn't have instant access to info like we do now. My daughter whom I had in ' 89 seemed fine. God, I wish I knew what I do now. Now look at the children's vax schedule now. Horrifying!!
One of my sons, born in '98, had unusual headaches at times- seems preceded with aura - he did see a neurologist and is doing ok, really just weird visions and such- reminded me of Oliver Sacks' description in one of his books- "Hallucinations"- he (author) had them too, but not really pain, just weird visual senses and feeling wiped out afterwards. They are quite rare in occurrence now.
That eye rolling also was present with my older son like you mentioned ('94 birth), along with the blinky eyes. Also, I recall feeling he was a bit hyper and asked his speech therapist at the time (preschool) her thoughts and was told she felt it was just his exuberance coming through. Well, he always seemed a bit restless as a kid, but it never got him steered towards meds, thank God!
Yes, I am angry now as you. We were taken.....We were also lucky though.
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To protect his future wife from getting cervical cancer when she's fifty years old. What a joke.
Jennifer thank you for protecting your and other person's children for the madness. We need more like you
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They told me the same thing with my son. I responded "my son's future-wife's cervix is her responsibility." I just declined it for my daughter and told our doctor about the many lawsuits, of which she was unaware. To her credit though, she didn't argue or coerce. She looked at the vial and said "it expires in 2025, if you change your mind, its here." And then thanked me for making her aware of the issues with it.
What a great response! I am so stealing it and using it at my youngest kid's next appointment (when, after 5 years now of me refusing this stupid shot, they will give me the song and dance).
Why even bother taking your kid to the appointment? Is he or she ill? What is the goal of the appointment? For them to push needles? The doctor is not needed unless there is something causing illness, and even then all they know to do is prescribe drugs. They have become nearly worthless.
Fair points!
Do you have links to info on class-action lawsuits specific to Gardasil? I'd love to see.
you might want to look up the vaxxed film and the sequel. I am sure the Defender website can get you the link. I probably is not on YouTube but on one of the other channels
Sorry! I mis-spoke -not class action, but several lawsuits have been filed. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/?s=gardasil
You wouldn’t believe the lies they tell to gain compliance. I often wondered if they actually believed them or just made stuff up off the top of their heads. I won’t even go into the aggression when you question or disagree with them. White coats…never a more educated, ignorant group.
Oh yes I would. Its happened for years to women who do their research and make an informed choice not to do gynecological screenings of any sort. A few go as far as to make a woman think--or outright state--that its a legal mandate and that they can get a court order or have her arrested if she refuses. The medical establishment has become straight up gestapo about controlling patients by any means necessary--and creating them by any means necessary, lest anyone notice the guy who never goes to the doctor for anything unless he needs it is doing as well as or better than the one getting yearly checkups with constant follow-ups and us on ten different pills at the age of 30. Best force them all on the medical carousel of looking for problems in ways that create problems, then charging to fix the problems with solutions that create new problems. Palpitate, scan, dose, inject, slice, charge, lather, rinse, repeat.
But if you don't trust them, you've got a screw loose.
[picks up the screws from the floor)
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the ignorance might be spiced by greens. A doc gets lots of money for every child jabbed
Lots of that going around.
answer: Made stuff up and poll tested it. That's the tried and true method for political success.
They have forced this dangerous injection on millions of young males worldwide.. and it can be show to correlate with HIGHER rates of cervical cancer in the girls who get it.
Look at Children's Health Defense presentations on HPV vaccines in Australia, where they mandated them, it's a nightmare.
And watch CHD's "Infertility, A Diabolical Agenda."
Everything will begin to make sense!
same as covid jabs to protect your grandparents. Turns out you might be the first to die, because of the jabs. Poor grandparents, can you imagine, loosing their grandchild to a jab?
My ex's son GOT HPV from the HPV injection, and they pushed it when he was 15 years old. He has HPV in his throat and it makes his voice almost inaudable. He has to go get his throat scraped which is really painful as well. So, I do wish I had been able to protect him from that, somehow. Never trust your kids with any medical entity for sure.
We are their lab rats and moneybags, nothing more,
I am so, so sorry to say.
Finding a really good naturopath is my only way to deal with my health, other than my own choices.
The Physicians are brainwashed over vaccines, and other techniques/treatments besides.
They are taught you cannot cure disease, only treat it. Where has that led us? Into a terrible place, frankly.
Iatragenic disease is killing our kids, and still they cannot see it.
Same with the toxins and electric magnetic frequencies we are exposed to. It's up to us to change all of this now; no one else can.
Gardasil to prevent Bowen's disease?
HPV (Gardasil) was the shot that got me to wake up a little from the vaccine coma I was in with all of my kids (wish I had been more alert - I envy those who were). The more I learned about HPV itself, how the body typically deals with it and then about the trials associated with shot, the more skeptical I became. I allowed the "experts" to convince me that my first born's autism was "in no way related to any vaccines" and consented to giving shots to all of my other kids, but in today's environment, there are many three to which I would consent.
I hope that your first-born's autism has been a blessing through it all. What a tough thing.
I am unvaxxed - had covid a few months ago - killed it within a couple of days with Hydroxy - wife had it before me opted not to treat - mild flu for 5 days.
Fast forward and there is a 'vicious flu' tearing through Australia that is now in NZ... the number of people who are sick - and I mean really sick - is off the charts... businesses already short staffed are now being forced to close due to The Sickness.
I was in town watching a hockey game on the weekend - got to chatting with an Aussie tourist - who was trying to hide The Sickness... coughing into his sleeve from time to time.
On Sunday I developed a sniffle - Monday Tuesday running nose + sneezing - no coughing - did not feel particularly unwell beyond the running nose. It's Wednesday morning and the symptoms are just about done and dusted - I will skate this evening.
Meanwhile we know of fit 30+ year olds who have had The Sickness and experienced 104 temperatures and horribly painful uncontrollable coughing fits that required visits to the hospital ED ... they are boosted.
I have no doubt that VAIDS is a real thing and that all these injected people have opened the floodgates to a wide range of diseases from cancer to severe flu.
I suspect that they have the immune systems of a feeble 80 year old. And that this is only the beginning. At some point we will get the mutation that Bossche has warned up - perhaps a more severe version of Delta that is even more contagious than Omicron...
And all hell will break loose.
Yep and it will be the jabbed that caused the severe form and they will infect the unvaxxed, as is already happening. Will order some more horse med just in case. So far so good, dog is taking it for heartworm. Only took some homeopathic a while ago when I thought I might come down with something but it did not push trough.
Do you remember stories of Elites building bunkers in NZ a few years ago. It's about time they got hiding in them.
INdeed. I had to take the shots when I immigrated to the US and that will, God willing, be the last shots I will ever take.
The Cat has to do the reading that Margaret Anna Alice recommends, because Dissolving Illusions is written by a real doctor with real patients, who discovered that after a flu shot, several of her patients had to be hospitalized. When she asked around, she found nothing but numbness. Then she did the REAL science and discovered the truth, which was not taking with gratitude by her colleagues. I b ought the book a while ago and advize everyone to read it. Even if you are needle happy it is good to know that no vaccine is safe and no vaccine warrants you that you won't get sick anymore. REmember the measles outbreak some years ago in NY. From 160 children, more than a third was fully vaccinated. Which means the measles vaccine does not work too well either ! A friend took the very painful shingles vaccine and 2 weeks later had shingles. Just saying....
Also, those kids got measles on purpose at measles parties. Lifetime immunity.
That HPV vaccine never smelled right to me.
My female cousin had HPV and her OB/GYN doctor wanted to perform a hysterectomy on her because she allegedly had precancerous cells in cervix from HPV. She told me about and I told her to wait. I did research on HPV and found a study where Shitake mushrooms were used to cure HPV. I sent the study to my cousin and she took the Shitake mushrooms everyday for three months. She was re-tested for HPV by her OB/GYN and tests returned negative. Her OB/GYN said it was false negative and he had her tested every three months and all tests returned negative over a course of year. Her cervix was normal and her OB/GYN said no need for a hysterectomy.
Whew! Good thing your cousin was persistent and you helped her out!
Good "sniffer"! 👃😉
yup couldn't agree more.
Ditto all you said.
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Found it. Check this out.
https://popularrationalism.substack.com/p/fifth-circuit-court-of-appeals-affirms
Quote:
Fact 1. The CDC has reported significant declines in childhood vaccination rates during the pandemic, ranging from 7% decrease to 20% decrease in childhood vaccination uptake.
Fact 2. Becker and Blaxill published a compelling analysis pointing to a reduction in mortality rates in young people (especially infants) during the pandemic. Their analysis, based on NCHS data, points to hundreds of lives in infants not lost per day during the same period of time when vaccination uptake dropped significantly.
Wow, interesting. So as SADS increases, SIDS decreases 🤔
Astute as always
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I saw the same correlations in data out of FL a while back - a drop in childhood vaccination rate and concomitant drop in SIDS. I am kicking myself though - I cannot re-find the link(s)...still trying, but of course the search engines are not particularly friendly to such topics!
It was from Igor Chudov's Substack:
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/florida-vaccine-hesitancy-reduced?
Thank you! That was definitely one I remember (at least now that I see it again!).
Those links have probably been “Epsteined”. I’m a therapist and in the beginning of the covidmania I spoke out against masks, having old books/journals with writing emphasizing the importance of facial cues for kids. They’re mostly gone now.
there was a real good one from the Canadian dentists, which was removed in early 2020. Someone sent me the article but it was in a format I could not use.
not sure how the wayback machine works, but have been told its great for finding things online that have been 'deleted'
try Brave Search. None of the Big search engines will give you a result
All of us parents of vaxx injured kids said in April 2020,” well THIS will be interesting. They will be ALOT less SIDS and deaths of kids since nobody’s going to kids dr “ well visits “ ( we all call them death visits ). Sure evough all SIDS and VAERS injury and deaths of kids plummeted !
Indeed. SIDS going down as less kids get vaccinated. Of course SADS is going up now. It's about as complicated as the join the dots pictures in the books I played with as a three year old.
People who vax their young boys especially are CRAZY.
Covid Infection Itself NOT Causing Heart Conditions …
Tuvali et al, Israel, huge study N=196K cases, N=590K controls, no excess rate of ICD-10-code identified myocarditis in uninjected with natural infection. Counters prior false claims. Can focus on mandated products as source of myocarditis at hand and move forward on management.
https://mobile.twitter.com/P_McCulloughMD/status/1544655095740219392?
Unfortunately our adult son got the shot at University... :(((((
We had some major blowups over it (I think the vax affects mood as well). But he promised he won't do a 3rd. And he's seen the light as he got covid twice now.
I get that. A couple of young men in my family got it too, felt coerced by their places of employment.
Same. He just wanted to be on campus after losing his grad, prom, etc and spending the first year of uni online. And mine has had covid 2x as well.
The paper cited appears to be this one:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/
see, every cloud has a massive silver lining!
Yes, this is an amazing indictment of childhood vaccination.
Bingo. Good job MikeyB and thank you.
Silver linings
Every time someone defends “traditional” vaccines I ask them why the manufacturers are immune from all liability when the products are mandated by the .gov (to attend .gov schools) the losses are socialized through VICP, and the profits are privatized
Anyone remotely paying attention can figure out that breeds corruption. I don’t care if they say it’s gonna make me live forever and make me look like Linda Evangelista circa 1995 , I (and more importantly my children) am NOT getting irreversibly injected with any product where the manufacturer is immune from liability.
Please tell me more about the Linda Evangelista shot. 😉
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vaccines should be treated like all other meds, with liablility for every reaction. Thousands of children and adults get damaged by them but no one ever gets a cent. Only once in a blue moon the government coughs up a bit. I just saw where a 22 year old finally got heard 20 years after the damage, and if I remember well they still did not get any help
IF the reports that payouts by the national Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, or VICP, have now topped $4 billion, THEN your claim that "no one ever gets a cent" is false, unless of course your meaning is that no compensation is exactly the sum of one cent. Should you so wish, you may file for compensation at https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation
I would be most grateful if more people would begin to realize that the constitutionally dubious interference into market activity by the federal government serves special interests and not the national interest. Carving-out a vaccine exemption was an injury to the law, masquerading as law.
how many people are you talking about ? one in a thousand ? I know there are many more who do not get any compensation, than those that do. I think it was INdonesia where victims of the covid injections already are starting to get compensated. No one far as I know in the US got anything. Sorry for the generalisation. But I am glad you DO agree that vaccines are not always safe. Since so much money has been paid to may be a handful of hurt.
Maybe they didn't but I've read that over 4 billion dollars has been paid to claimants through the program I linked. It seems to be confirmed by many sources. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll continue to think you made-up your claim.
Just two years ago - so during the pandemic but before the covid injectables - I didn't think twice about taking my son, then three, to have whatever vaccinations they have at that age. Now I can't comprehend why I did this. He certainly won't be having any more.
My wife made sure our son's got spread out and he didn't get all of them, this was 20 years ago.
She owned a health food store for 35yrs so I married well. :)
Smart woman and glad you had a doctor who agreed with the approach. Now patients get kicked out of practices for even requesting a spacing out of shots. It's insane.
I have been looking at alternative med but 1. it is extremely expensive to become a member of such an office, and 2. it is almost 2 hours driving away. Where I lived in Belgium I had a choice in alternative med, and the 2 doctors I went to both knew some about it. I found one here in the US who at least is aware that homeopathic meds do work.
What do you do when it is mandated by madmen...
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Thank you for this one Madame. I started to write a screed, but saw this first. All you need to do is look at the graphs of these common diseases and the deaths associated by year, then mark the introduction date of the particular vaccine. Things that make you go Hmmm???
I should add:
• https://drtesslawrie.substack.com/p/how-did-needles-become-so-normal
Amen! I didn’t become anti-vax because I lost confidence in public health officials. I became anti-vax because I lost confidence in them, AND THEN I did research to get informed.
Losing confidence should be enough by itself.
The moment you realize you are dealing with liars you should reject everything they have ever told you. Then you start from scratch with the position that any medical treatment should be rejected until you have done research showing it helps.
So, absent research, my position is now anti all medical treatments pushed by the medical establishment. As and when necessary I will conduct my own investigation of available research on any treatment proposed for me and mine. Thus I may choose to become pro specific treatments on a case by case basis.
"Any medical treatment should be rejected until you have done research showing it helps." Well said Horace. Unfortunately biology is terribly complex, and the charlatans are not only to be found in the medical establishment. There are many more ways to be wrong about a thing than there are to be right.
Indeed. But this is a basic problem of human society. How much research should/must one do for oneself, and how do you decide who to trust? Getting this right is an essential life skill, a core part of critical thinking.
The element that should have changed for everyone (except those who already figured it out) is that the medical establishment must be struck in their entirety from the set of people who should be trusted.
And the trust problem just gets harder the more technologically advanced society becomes.
I spent a lot of energy batting down insecure software solutions and am used to people's eyes glazing over when I start explaining how Product X is too insecure to trust with our data.
What floored me in 2021 is how otherwise conservative software experts were willing to allow their OWN BODIES to be reprogrammed with ??? mRNA.
You have the correct approach. Governments and pharmaceutical companies don't lie all the time, but they lie often enough that they cannot be trusted to be source upon which one relies.
Thank you for the links, especially the book which we’d never heard of. To add to your list, we started watching the A Shot in the Dark series last night. The first episode delves into Gardasil. I caved to pressure in the early 00’s and had our daughter “vaccinated” with it 😞 https://rumble.com/c/CandaceOwensAShotInTheDark
Margaret, great to meet you here. I really appreciate the articles from Dr. Gato Malo. But I do not agree with him about "other vaccines have been tested for safety and efficacy, only the covid vaccines are a problem" .... These tests are not done in a way that would convince me. I want to see real data, real longitudinal controlled trials comparing all health outcomes of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people...
(all cause mortality, all cause severe morbidity, cancer incidence, all other diseases, suicide, development of overweight etc. etc.. within decades following vaccination. We have many good reasons to ask for these data).
Of course, for each vaccine alone and for multiple combinations etc.
Agree 100%!
99.9-100%. They took me who was indifferent to slightly pro-vaccine and turned me onto a 'what the frick are you idiots doing? I think imma look closer into the history of vaccines' journey. I don't like what I learned. At all. 'Safe and effective' sure to some extent but it's still '4 in 5 dentists' marketing to me.
They created me. They opened Pandora's Box. They couldn't let sleeping dogs lie. They had to get the BIIIIG SALAD!.
It's funny. They've been ramping up taking vaccines since at least 2016 and this always left me skeptical and slightly unnerved wondering what was going on. Not that it's necessarily connected to what's happened in the last two years - which is the greatest medical crime and hysteria in history.
So yeh. They can squawk all they want blanketing everyone under the 'anti-vaxxers' label (which is far from the case. It just makes it easier for the lazy medical shills and academics to demonize and scapegoat) but as put in this fiery article: THEY CREATED THIS DUMPSTER FIRE.
They. Them. Xe. Whatever.
What a human catastrophe they created.
And they do absolutely need to shush it.
They need to be told - ear muffs - to fuck off.
Agreed. If I had it to do over I would never vax my kids. This pharma govt cabal isn’t new. Would love to see some vax lover docs heads explode when their patients tell them no more vaccines. 💥
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Since getting my childhood inoculations back in the 50s, I have never felt the need to get a vaccine such as a flu shot. It is not pleasant to get the flu, but to catch the bug is normal and highly survivable. One of the great benefits from the Covid debacle is a better understanding of how keeping fit with a healthy diet and plenty of exercise and outdoor activity can keep us better able to deal with colds and flu and other pathogens to mitigate their more adverse effects.
I was neutral on vaccines and after two years of reading a variety of books I am now anti-vaccine. What set me off is when Big Pharma and the medical establishment dismissed or ignored natural immunity the global gold standard for over hundred years. It was all about the experimental mRNA vaccines.
Yep - I wasn’t the least bit anti-vax before this. I’m still not 100%, but I’m pretty damned close now.
Excellent book from Suzanne Humphries clearly illustrates how the vaccine industry falsely claimed responsibility for massive improvements in areas of infectious disease prevention and control. These improvements preceded the introduction of mass vaccination, but that didn’t stop the needle-pushers from taking all the glory and cashing in on an epic scale. Many, many ppl have been savvy to the true history and nature of the vaccine industry for a very long time. Sadly not nearly enough people, though, as the last 2 1/2 years have shown.
I think it would be a more persuasive argument here if you could cite some clinical studies which have been peer reviewed. Whilst I am very concerned about the mRNA gene therapy experiment, I have not found anything substantive to convince me that the vaccines i grew up with throughout the 70s & 80s ever did anything but good.
Caveat here is that formulations MAY have been changed in more recent times, surreptitiously - but, I think that the prevalence of so many hideous chemicals in our environment, food, air and water which are known to cause a wide range of neuro-toxic, endocrine disrupting, carcinogenic - 'every-genic' - along with the low quality of food/diets is far more likely to explain the uptick in all manner of chronic illnesses, conditions or diseases than a conspiracy to cause autism via a vaccine.
Occam's razor here comrades - and don't attack the messenger just because you don't agree. This kind of aggression and myopia is an extension of the outrage-mongering our dear elite have been stoking to keep us immobilised and disunited since time, and it really weakens the rest of our power to co-operate, organise and resist.
NBamaste.
Occam's Razor is a very narrow mathematical statement. It has no applicability to this situation.
See https://theethicalskeptic.com/2013/06/30/the-real-ockhams-razor/
Having caught the medical establishment in a series of huge, fat lies and utterly evil, psychopathic behavior the only rational response is to discard everything they have ever said pending further review.
I agree wholeheartedly in most of what you say, except that 'we' should discard everything 'they' have ever said. This is very post-modernist and abandoning EVERYTHING so that 'we' can review everything is an enormous undertaking alone, and beyond impractical. There is proof about the efficacy of the polio vaccines for one thing, as we never see it in our daily lives.
If someone cheats you in business, you don't do business with them again unless there is no alternative. And if someone tells you a series of lies, you no longer trust statements they make.
That's called common sense and falls within the remit of the old Italian proverb "He that deceives me once, it’s his fault; but if twice, it’s my fault." which was first documented in “The Court and Character of King James,” written by Anthony Weldon in 1651. The English version is of course "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me". There's nothing post-modernist about it at all.
And you, or I (or anyone else) don't need to review everything. I just need to review any treatments proposed to me. And that's not an enormous and impractical undertaking at all. In fact it's probably something I should have done all along.
Specifically wrt to polio, I believe that in India the vaccine works, at least in part, by simply re-defining the diagnosis. In other words any child who gets polio symptoms after receiving a vaccine is diagnosed with something called "non-polio acute flaccid paralysis". The exact same symptoms would be diagnosed as polio in any child who had not been vaccinated. Thus polio disappears, only to be replaced by a larger epidemic of non-polio acute flaccid paralysis. See how that works? And how similar it is to the type of statistical fraud we have seen during the covid era?
I am not aware whether or not a similar position prevails, or even if any studies have been done, in more developed nations.
Well said. Thanks.
I agree with your point about taking personal responsibility for reviewing the treatments proposed to you. That endeavor still requires access to trusted sources of information. Doing that due diligence in the pre-internet 70's and 80's would be a much different task that doing so today.
Read the materials she cited. The burden of proof is on the person proposing to stick some chemical in you. That you didn’t perceive harm is not an RCT.
Dissolving Illusions is a must read. And yes formulations have changed. I heard a doctor say, that the old, single vaccine for measles worked pretty good, but that the multijab they give now, is not good for either of the 3 ingredients. That might have been Dr Wakefield. You might also want to check the ingredients of the jabs, if it reads PEG, that is a very poor ingredient in shampoo. Do you want that in your body?
Compare the vaccines you received to the current CDC schedule. There is very little overlap. DTP is no longer even available in the US as it is too dangerous but they dumped it on third worlders to kill their babies https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5868131/
And just the number of childhood vaccines, now recommended, is cause for concern…72…and now with Covid 75/76…!?!
"they had long records of safety and efficacy."
At some point I hope you sit down with those of us working in this field so that we can show you that these long records of safety and efficacy you believe in were **also** based on the failure to properly identify vaccine injury (gaslighting in most cases) and fraud (in many cases).
And perhaps you still haven't figured out that autism is primarily caused by vaccines. How are 100,000 new brain damaged ("autistic") people per year in the US alone "safe?" Keep in mind 1/3 are non-verbal and most will not have normal lives.
Have you looked into the molecular mimicry behind autoimmune diseases and vaccine antigens? The aluminum causing the massive allergy epidemic (some of which are life-threatening)? The vaccine-induced gut dysbiosis that leads to brain damage?
El Gato, you are not yet fully red-pilled. You still have some ways to go.
I suggest starting with Toby Rogers' excellent doctoral thesis:
The Political Economy of Autism
https://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/handle/2123/20198
André Angelantoni
Project Lead, The Vaccine Course
i have looked at it.
this is mostly driven by a change in the diagnosis and definition of autism as opposed to real changes in prevalence.
the links to vaccines are unconvincing.
i know a lot of folks seem enamored of this theory, but it fails to meet anything like the standards of rigor i'd need to be convinced.
this is not a red pill.
it's a bridge too far into assumptive reasoning by fallacy, especially on autoimmune.
there might be a case to be made that vaccine efficacy is overstated and many gains came from sanitation and hygiene, and while there is doubtless truth that it helped, it's also likely the source of auto-immune issues. (hygiene hypothesis)
it just happened to happen at the same time as vaccines.
i get your passion, but save the assumptive hectoring.
They changed the diagnosis and definition of polio, too. I know it's purely anecdotal, but think about all our childhood classrooms, and our parents' childhood classrooms. There were no peanut allergies, there was no autism, there was no ASD stimming and dysregulation. There were behavioral issues, sure, but I am around kids a lot and it doesn't seem the same.
*Something* is going on. What is it? It's not one thing, but there was a HUGE increase in the number of shots given, from the 70s to the 90s. And kids are not okay.
there was also a huge increase in cleanliness to the point where child immune systems were not sufficiently challenged day to day by pathogens and bacteria. the immune system does not have a built in down-regulation for such cases and so with nothing to attack, it is more likely to attack the host or over react to begin impulses. that's auto-immune and allergy.
behavioral is down to teaching, parenting, and a raft of REALLY bad science on ADD and depression.
Oh gosh...behavioral is down to teaching? Have you spent any time with anyone in the real hell of living with autism? Which, honestly, almost no one knew about and now everyone does? It’s not parenting. It’s damage. From something. Vaccines or something else, something is damaging our kids at an alarming rate. And it’s not a change in definition. It’s hard to watch you dismiss this so easily.
Just how old are you? How did you miss the Despicable Noose' (Deseret News') social interest write-ups about autism, and those afflicted being withdrawn entirely into a shell and couldn't be reached, as they had no communication whatsoever? Those were in the late '60s and early '70s. They were past your time, or you didn't deign to read that evil rag? (Granted, the Salt Lake Tribulation is even more evil. And people wonder how Utah and the Wasatch Front fell so far, so fast. Just don't watch Hill Street Blues and it's all good, right?)
Ha! Old enough that I remember a kid with a disability in my neighborhood that no one knew the name of. (But now his disability is mild compared to what I’ve seen in my own house.) Young enough that I’ve never heard those names used for the two excuse-for-newspapers. But I’m gonna use them now.
That’s one hypothesis, but hos can we pull out any of these factors and *know*. There are thousands, tens of thousands, of people who don’t get these shots. There are as many more who have *seen* their children damaged. Some epidemiological study would be possible, if it were allowed. Doesn’t it twitch your whiskers that the same people who promoted the covid shots destroy people who ask these questions?
I agree with you! But, I think it's more than just the shots. I'm not a scientist and just an observer over my lifetime (like most of us are) and when one looks at the poison food, the shots, the ssri's and other drugs in the water and a whole slew of other things as a whole... we have to admit that one or all of these things is causing this, or at a minimum, contributing to it. We can't just dismiss studies done by several doctors (and I can't remember the one that I believe is in Washington state) that are doing their own trials in their own private clinics and keeping track of the children who do get the shots (the CDC schedule) compared to those who do not and the results are staggering. I come from a long line of ancestors who never received any kind of shot for *anything*. They all lived long (up to 102 years), healthy lives, physically and psychologically. If it wouldn't have been for the military and a coercive employer (flu shot) many years ago, I also would have never taken *any* shots. Vaccines have become a sick religion and not being able to admit that even the so-called "good" shots are causing much of the issues we are seeing in young people is really a testament to that religion and mind screwing/propaganda that we've been getting for years now. I have people in my family with children that were just fine before some of the childhood shots and immediately after became autistic. It's a fact. We watched it happen in real time. How can anyone flippantly say it's not the shots that caused that? We saw it!
Yes. All of this.
I think you’re referring to Dr Paul Thomas. He’s in Portland, Oregon, has a practice of 12,000 kids and co-authored a study showing the fully vaccinated kids in his practice had more diagnoses and office visits when compared to the unvaccinated kids in his practice. His license was stripped immediately by the Oregon Board of Medicine (conveniently Governor appointed Brownshirts). He did receive provisional licensure back to see sick children but cannot do well-child visits because he dared publish a scientific study against the golden calf (vaccines).
Unfortunately under pressure the study was retracted. Doesn’t make it any less true. Here’s a link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33266457/
Yes, in general, those people who survived infancy and early childhood were tough as nails. Lots and lots of tiny graves, though.
We use aluminum to produce allergies in dogs when performing research, a fellow mammal. Activate the immune system with Al and simultaneously inject the antigen.
The hygiene hypothesis has had its chance and it never had good evidence for it. As the others note below, it's time to abandon the theory.
Time to abandon the hygiene hypothesis: new perspectives on allergic disease, the human microbiome, infectious disease prevention and the role of targeted hygiene
Perspectives in Public Health, June 27, 2016
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1757913916650225
"There is no good evidence that hygiene, as the public understands, is responsible for the clinically relevant changes to microbial exposures."
Karelia region says otherwise.
If only the vaccine makers would agree to vax vs unvax studies. 🙄
Just the opposite is true. The scientific charts are alkready in books on this subject : as clean water and toilets went UP disease in the USA plummeted. They introduced vaccines AFTER diseases plummeted. That is a known fact. Go read the links snd books we’ve all given you with real govt science. Read Kennedy’s book , Fauci. Look up the Cutter Incident. It’s all lies what we were all told about vaccines stopping diseases.
Surely it is possible that
(a) the effect of clean water and toilets was to increase autism, SIDS and auto-immune issues several years after they were introduced via some sort of delaying mechanism, AND
(b) vaccines were able to reduce diseases several years before they were introduced via some mechanism as yet unknown to scientists?
Are you certain there was a huge increase in cleanliness between the 1970s and today?
I'm not sure when you were born...? But I was born in the 1960s, and we didn't live in pigsties you know :-).
I see no real difference in overall cleanliness between then and now.
My kids don't wash their hands any more or less than I did, nor do they eschew desirable food items which have been in contact with the ground any more than I did. They still splashed through streams and dug holes in the ground and came home covered in mud.
Neither we, nor any of our friends, dowse our houses in disinfectant. The restaurants we visit don't appear any cleaner. And everyone had indoor toilets in the 1970s and 1980s.
Perhaps here in the US more people have some sort of filtration applied to their air but that certainly doesn't apply to the UK for example where they have seen similar rises in issues.
Can you point to any evidence for this increase in cleanliness? Are you really certain it exists?
There was no difference in cleanliness.
The hygiene hypothesis is a failure.
I hear gato saying he's looked and is not convinced by the data that increases in autism diagnoses are linked to childhood vaccinations. That's perfectly fair. But, gato, you're not entirely ruling out a potential link, correct? I mean science and all. Better data, more definitive answer in the future, right?
Hasn’t there been a huge increase in veterinary shots, too. That might be a good place to look for some epidemiological data, even if it’s only correlative. Plus, a cat might be concerned.
Yes, and which mammals have had skyrocketing cancers and disease? The vaxxed ones. So things aren’t just environmental. Pets get cancer at injection sites ALL the time— horses to cats to dogs. They are dying younger and with worse illnesses than ever, yet deer and whales aren’t just showing up dead for no apparent reason nor are they presenting with cancers when brought to wildlife rehabs and such. There is SO much at stake here and people want to point and say, “But, polio is gone!”
Now that you roped in the cat, I feel certain he will dive deeper into #realnotrare, VAXXED 1&2, DISSOLVING ILLUSIONS, Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, Dr. Suzanne Humphries, Dr. James Neuenschwander, Toby Rogers, Del Bigtree, anything RFK, jr. has written on the subject of vaccines (and Tony “the science” Fauci has had a LOT to do with this as well, and all childhood disease has skyrocketed since Tony was tasked with making things better), A SHOT in the DARK, and have the cat look at the graphs of SIDS, autism and the correlation of which countries have backed way off vaccines and what that did to childhood rates of mortality, autism and the like. Compare Japan’s childhood vax schedule and ours and the rates of injury. I could go on & on all day, sadly.
Just the opposite is true. The scientific charts are alkready in books on this subject : as clean water and toilets went UP disease in the USA plummeted. They introduced vaccines AFTER diseases plummeted. That is a known fact. Go read the links snd books we’ve all given you with real govt science. Look up the Cutter Incident. It’s all lies what we were all told about vaccines stopping diseases.
And I’ll be completely transparent-these shots *feel* bad to me. I know that I have a gut reaction and that leads to confirmation bias. I also recognize how difficult this research is. But the facts that they refuse to do it, whistleblowers get silenced, and the manufacturers have immunity, leads me to never trust anything in that space.
To even suggest Pfizer would withhold the trail data for 75 years suggest....not to be trusted.
Gut feelings do not necessarily lead to confirmation bias. In this case your reasoning is 100% sound.
The research is "difficult" because there has been a clear and deliberate attempt to both avoid collecting good data, and to obscure and misrepresent the data that does exist.
Combined with the suppression and censorship of opposing opinions, the coercion of opponents through illegal and immoral acts, and the corrupt manipulation of both regulatory and administrative processes (from the highest levels right down to payments to schoolboard members), it is 100% clear that the people behind these jabs are ruthless, immoral, and corrupt.
You should no more trust them than Snow White should trust an old lady offering an apple.
There were also huge changes to the food supply and diets. Genetically modified plants that could stand up to higher concentrations of herbicides and pesticides...herbicides and pesticides that leave residue on the plants and are ingested (not to mention those, like neonicotinoids, which have not had safety studies, and which are absorbed through the plants' roots).
Steroids, hormones, and antibiotics given to animals to make them grow quicker. Cows given feed they were never created to ingest. The list goes on and on.
How many other environmental influences are there as well with lawn fertilizers, household chemicals, etc., many of which weren't around in our grandparents' and great grandparents' time.
I'm not discounting the possibility that vaccines contribute to the problem - on the contrary. As someone who studied biology in college, I wholeheartedly believe they are more harmful than beneficial. I just don't know that they are the only factor that should be considered.
Spraying the skies!
Someother things not being considered: 1) how much less time kids spend outside in nature/how much more time they spend indoors (even playing indoors in the ac trampoline parks etc) 2) amount of time driving strapped in a car seat until they are 16 to and from adult directed activities 3) the number of adult directed activities has skyrocketed. You don’t find the neighborhood kids playing ball on their own learning critical social skills. 4) autism used to be a diagnosis only made by neurologist or psychiatrist, now LLSP, general pediatrician, etc can slap that label on a kid and it is usually because they are a “late talker”. 5) developmental norms have changed. It used to be considered within normal range if a kid started talking closer to 3, but now, if a kid doesn’t have 1st words by 12 months, they are given a referral to a SLP for speech therapy thanks to professional organizations like ASHA, APTA, AOTA etc. Autism explosion is soooooooooo multifaceted
I taught special ed and have 2 cases of autism in my extended family. Most of the list you created are indeed sad and can play into the whole thing but by & large, spending too much time in a car seat and not enough time outdoors and so on, does not create autism. And yea, it’s easier and more trigger-happily labelled these days, nonetheless, the spectrum was and is skyrocketing at almost the exact rate of the skyrocketing vax schedule. Our generation had maybe 5 vax. These kids kid 64-72 doses by the time they are 18, and now colleges are requiring covid. We are creating zombies. Nations who are equally busy and have similar outdoor time, etc. but have cut down the sheer volume of vax and have also elected
to administer them at a
later age are faring far better. The CDC doesn’t make this easy to look into but the info is out there. And they are as culpable in all this previous vax injury as they are in the covid vaxxed, I promise. Dr. James Neuenschwander and others have presented them with cold, hard evidence, repeatedly and they just keep on jabbing.
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Do you know anyone severely autistic ? Do you have autistic kids ? I don’t disagree the variables you mentioned are deleterious but they cannnot be conflated with true autism. Which is brain and GI injury Just my experience
Absolutely and it is all diagnosed days to a few months after a catch up round of vax, with MMR being the ring leader for injury.
Dr. Andrew Wakefield was steamrolled the same way Frontline docs, Dr. Malone, etc. have been. Wakefield has since been exonerated but do they put that on the front pages? No. Shocker— you have to search and search to find it.
And they malign RFKennedy like it’s their JOB, and everyone says what an idiot he is, when they are the idiots. They parrot what MSM (and a few of his family members supposedly say) about him rather than taking 15 min. to listen to or read anything he has to say or to peruse any of his litigation. The man is dead on accurate regarding vaccines— all of them— and he is brilliant, as “nose to the grindstone” as any human I’ve ever known and he is a badass in court. I dare say, if nothing else gets you looking into childhood vax injury, at least look into cases he has won and all his work. Consider that he doesn’t have to do this. He’s so well educated, connected, well travelled and articulate, he could do any lucrative thing he put his hand to. He probably has enough money not to have to do another thing at all, yet he chooses to be in the trenches fighting for children’s health. Find Children’s Health Defense.
I also grew up in the 60s-70s. I am a therapist and I work regularly with children labeled autistic. They range the spectrum of ability. There has been a dramatic change and increase in the type and numbers of children with that label over the last 30+ years. I have had precious clients who were just late talkers with that label. I had a very social smart nonverbal client (who was the purest verbal apraxia I had ever seen with 0 physical or social deficits) who had that label. My son has a best friend who was labeled autistic at 18 months but as a young adult is a functional human being who shows no signs of being autistic. I don’t believe autistic tendencies are typically outgrown. I also have a son who I could have easily had diagnosed as aspbergers when that was still a label. I chose not to because he is functional and I have the practical knowledge to have helped him learn how to navigate the world. He is also a young adult and amazingly intelligent and equally awkward at times,(especially in a world as inconsistent and gray as we now have) but he is high functioning so I don’t think he needs a label. I don’t believe that there is 1 and only 1 reason a child receives that label. I believe it is way more complex than that. I obviously offended you by my thoughts. I’m sorry I offended you, but I do not apologize for my experiences and viewpoints.
Your lack of real scientific research knowledge offended me. All the examples you listed are often signs of neurological injury. The plethora of factual data on vaccine injury is so overwhelming at this point I strongly urge you to read all the links and books or studies mevtioned by those of us who did the reading and followed the research. It sounds like you were a great therapist but you haven’t done the actual research. Yes many kids who are deficient do come out of it. But the damage is there. It’s not a coincidence. There’s a famous book called Crooked Eyes by a neurologist. Find that book. It’s damning. Once seen these facts cannot be unseen. Read the White pages on ICAN ( Del bigtrees org ) read dr Exleys studies. Read Andrew Wakefield. Go to Lois Fishers organization. She made sure the govt created VAERS after they gave all liability for damages away in 1986. Her son was brain damaged in the 70s from the same DPT shot that destroyed my eldest son in 1988.
I literally said the same thing on this thread. The scientific research IS there. By our own govt. it’s just not advertised. People need to read Kennedy’s book Fauci for many scientific citations and sources as well as Lois fishers site ( she got govt to create VAERS because of 1986 Act ) and ICAN / the Highwire and childrens health defense. People like you and me know the actual science. And we grew up in the 60s / 70s.
You are right. There are some studies comparing vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people. Turns out unvaccinated people are much ealthier and have much lower rates of allergies, asthma, immune dysregulation, ADHD etc.
The argument from Gato Malo regarding "huge increase in cleanliness" is correct in some way. But since unvaccinated are much healthier (even in the same families, the unvaccinated are much healthier according to doctors who investigated this), it clearly shows or indicates that the vaccines seem to be (in part) responsible for the increase in several diseases.
You have gotten stopped at all the usual spots. That's why you need someone to walk you through each sticking point.
The California autism data show that it is a real change in prevalence.
We have the mechanisms for vaccine-induced autism and epi data, too.
In the West vaccines are used primarily for morbidity, as Armstrong et al. show. It was sanitation, better nutrition, reduced over-crowding and these sorts of interventions that reduced infectious disease mortality.
It's not hygiene for allergies, it's the aluminum. See Dr. Paul Thomas' pediatric data set with 30x more allergic rhinitis in fully vaccinated kids vs. non-vaccinated kids.
Stabell-Benn and Aaby show that inactivated vaccines (usually, those with aluminum adjuvants) weaken general immunity and kill more children than they save in high-disease pressure areas (yes, it's been found in other areas of the world, not just Ginea-Bissau). There has even been the first conference on non-specific effects.
"it just happened to happen at the same time as vaccines."
That's precisely the gaslighting I'm referring to that doctors are famous for. Anything but the vaccines—just like covid ("napping increases the risk of strokes").
Vaccines are designed to produce effects that last a lifetime (or they were, originally) so we should expect to see impressive side effects. And we do. We just don't point the finger at vaccines yet.
Yup. I think El Gato needs to have a friend like one of us lead them down this lengthy highly documented but disturbing path. It’ll take AT LEAST a year imo amd another couple to process the utter depravity of it all. It took me 34 years after me eldest was brain damaged within hours ( DPT scream / encephalitis ) of ONE DPT at four months of age in 1988.
Link to California diagnostic criteria, and showing no change in those criteria over the relevant time frame, please?
California has been tracking only “full-syndrome autistic disorder,” the most severe cases. These would have been essentially impossible to hide four decades ago.
Cynthia Nevison analyzed that data against Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) data for California and found that approximately 80% of the rise must be a true increase in prevalence.
A Comparison of Temporal Trends in United States Autism Prevalence to Trends in Expected Environmental Factors https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4177682/
A full exposition of many of the arguments El Gato has been stopped by can be found in this brilliant book:
Denial: How Refusing to Face the Facts about Our Autism Epidemic Hurts Children, Families—and our Future, by Dan Olmsted and Mark Blaxill
https://www.amazon.com/Denial-Refusing-Epidemic-Children-Families-ebook/dp/B072M62PT2
Omsted and Blaxill go back to autism’s roots in the writings of Leo Kanner and Hans Asperger and examine everything known about child psychology up to that point, including a survey of Massachusetts “idiots” by Samuel Gridley Howe in the mid-1800s.
It’s simply not possible for there to have been large numbers of individuals with autism—any form of autism—at that point in time and the medical profession simply "missed them." The medical profession did not have enough damaged people *in any relevant category.*
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Does "full-syndrome autistic disorder" mean catatonia grade? Not how most people use it, so still rather confusing. What was different in Austria?
You read or saw Andrew Wakefield and Dr Exley , yes ? Once seen cannot be dismissed
Agreed. Ive read peter gotzsche’s review of this ( his Vaccine book which is excellent). The autism theory was based on fraud and never substantiated. Doesnt take away from the pharma corruption of course but this association has no legs.
"the autism theory was built on fraud and never substantiated"
*scratches head*
Really?
Peter Gotzsche got lots wrong. He went only one level deep with the situation with Dr. Wakefield.
For instance, there were multiple studies going on simultaneously and the General Medical Council seems to have purposefully mixed up the authorizations and the money flows. Then they drew unsubstantiated conclusions, as the High Court later ruled.
"The autism theory was based on fraud ..."
You have zero substantiation for this all-encompassing declaratory statement. Is there proof some evil cabal concocted this and maliciously pushed it? At best, perhaps a particular study was based on fraud but I have seen no conclusive proof of this.
Whenever people make such bold, absolutist statements such as this it's often an indicator the speaker is proclaiming ideology rather than a reasoned conclusion. Let the reader beware.
Peter gotchez was corrupted. Go look at the links he has to $$$ and those in Pharma. Andrew Wakefield is hero.
We are going to have to agree to disagree. My wife has worked with the developmentally disabled for over 2 decades, this isn't just a definition issue, there has been an explosion in autism.
During that time there's been a huge rise in children born to older parents, especially fathers; it's quite socially acceptable for women in their childbearing years to drink alcohol; etc. etc.
Many factors, and some quite uncomfortable for parents to contemplate.
You do know what life was like back in the 1950s, right? Age is an issue now, but cigarettes and drinking were constant back then. Of course, there was a lot less plastic and crap from China, but more lead.
My biggest issue here is the dismissive attitude, and seems we are right back into the Appeal to Authority that sucked everyone into vaxx hell.
Sure. And plenty of us '50s kids have allergies and other auto-immune conditions, especially because of the fad for interventions like tonsillectomies, etc.
But there were also considerably lower rates of pre-term birth survival, too. Now plenty of fragile children grow up needing lifelong interventions of one sort or another. Many who seem physically healthy have invisible neurological deficits that don't manifest immediately.
Lots of reasons for everything. Sorting out what's valid and what's less so is hard.
I agree. But pumping a pregnant woman with Tdap and then sticking a new born with a HepB shot is probably not a safe way to start life.
In all these comments, pro and con, we are doing a lot of speculating. This factor, that factor. There are a million factors. I can't just pick my favorite and dismiss the others. That goes for everything.
There is no way to do the complete study that is necessary, but there are at least some ways to approximate it. And to look at all the puzzle pieces. Americans are way sicker than they have ever been, including children. Flippantly throwing out this or that reason isn't going to get us far. I want to see the vectors as things changed - show me exactly when the vaccine schedule changed, and then let's compare that to a few different metrics of physical and mental health.
Do the research. Start with ICAN white papers and the links and books recommended. While it is true older women have higher #s of Down’s syndrome kids it’s factually incorrect that older women drink more. Normally younger women are less likely to care or be concerned about health. Those claims again are made by pharma vaxx proponents and their unscientific pharma financed Tobbaco science.
"it's a bridge too far ..... especially on autoimmune."
N=1 case study here...My previously unvaxxed 14 y.o. daughters' risk/benefit ratio changed on a trip to the Amazon (Peru). Had her get tetanus (Td) and yellow fever. Within 4 months of those two injections spaced one week apart: loss of hair, U.S. confirmed thyroid cyst, wheat and egg allergy (Y.F is grown in chicken eggs and no prior wheat/egg allergy issues in 14 years) which were lab confirmed along with a lab confirmed Hashimotos Thyroiditis diagnosis. No prior autoimmune family history. Not a clean freak family; I'm a D.C. and understand the importance of microbe exposure for immune development. More detailed history on this in my pinned substack article...
I’m so sorry. The cat is totally wrong on this issue. Must be personal for him.
I don't know whether the cat has kittens. I don't think so. But it is hard to imagine anyone who knows what he knows about these companies and the products they produce holding his month old infant in his arms and trusting the people who got their education at the knees of these corporations to inject that baby with something that contains what those needles contain. I might be wrong. But it was personal for me. There was just no way my kids were born with a vaccine deficiency. I knew that there had to be a better way to overcome those diseases; something that would make kids stronger, not weaker.
I put my own life in that same frame. When my immune system was "reset" with bone marrow transplant, I chose NOT to take all the shots, which made the oncologists nearly hysterical. I chose to find something deeper to address what needed to be healed.
July 9, 2022 marked my 8th rebirthday. I've never been in better health.
Not likely. More likely, despite his encyclopedic knowledge on so many things, is that he hasn't researched this subject yet, as thoroughly as he has covid. I have a feeling that after being flamed here by numerous of his devoted followers, that he will dig in and, as with covid, uncover the real truth. Wherever that may be, and I am agnostic on this issue, not being anything close to an expert myself.
There are ways to learn about the subject, but he seems totally closed to the idea.
Evidence of Harm: Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: A Medical Controversy
by David Kirby
The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health (Children's Health Defense) Children's Health Defense Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health (Books)
Underestimated: An Autism Miracle (Children's Health Defense) Children's Health Defense An Autism Miracle (Books)
Handley, J. B., Handley, Jamison
Imagine You Are An Aluminum Atom: Discussions With Mr. Aluminum Discussions With Mr. Aluminum (Books)
Exley PhD FRSB, Christopher, SKYHORSE
Vaccine Whistleblower: Exposing Autism Research Fraud at the CDC Exposing Autism Research Fraud at the CDC (Books)
Barry, Kevin, Haley, Dr. Boyd E., Kennedy Jr., Robert F., SKYHORSE
Miller's Review of Critical Vaccine Studies: 400 Important Scientific Papers Summarized for Parents and Researchers 400 Important Scientific Papers Summarized for Parents and Researchers (Books)
Miller, Neil Z., New Atlantean Press
Denial: How Refusing to Face the Facts about Our Autism Epidemic Hurts Children, Families, and Our Future How Refusing to Face the Facts about Our Autism Epidemic Hurts Children, Families, and Our Future (Books)
Blaxill, Mark, Olmsted, Dan, SKYHORSE
Vaccines, Autoimmunity, and the Changing Nature of Childhood Illness (Books)
Cowan MD, Dr. Thomas, Fallon Morell, Sally
Toxic Sludge is Good For You: Lies, Damn Lies and the Public Relations Industry Lies, Damn Lies and the Public Relations Industry (Books)
Stauber, John, Rampton, Sheldon, Dowie, Mark, Brand: Common Courage Press
The Moth in the Iron Lung: A Biography of Polio (Books)
Maready, Forrest
Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and The Forgotten History (Books)
Humphries MD, Suzanne, Bystrianyk, Roman
The Unvaccinated Child: A Treatment Guide for Parents and Caregivers (Books)
Camp Nd Dhanp, Eli, Thompson Nd, Judith, Boice, Lac Fabno Judith
I think "devoted followers" is the key to today's meltdown. Acolytes get mad when too much free thinking disrupts their internal narratives.
I’m sorry el gato but your statement that it’s just that autism was always there but we didn’t DX it is completely factually incorrect. I don’t know how old you are or if you have kids from 70s / 80s but that’s another narrative they pushed out on the public that you just repeated. We had almost zero autistic kids. Our special Ed classes were VERY small. I’m a SPED expert. Fir 30 years. I’ve done litigation and advocacy. Please read ALL the links snd groups we’ve shared before you respond further to anyone. You’ve got cognitive dissonance respectfully.
But this does not mean that new formulations of the old vaccines were the only cause, surely?
When one eliminates the other causes they like to use ( chemicals in our foods , modern societies influences et AL ) yes it accounts for almost all other “ causation “ the pro vaxx pharma driven proponents use. I would suggest people read dr Exley and Andrew Wakefields studies. Dr Exley is the worlds top aluminum expert. He did a YouTube video ( probably stubbed so check bitchute and other places He discussed doing autopsies on the brains of a statistically significant # of vaccinated severely autistic children and discovering toxic levels of aluminum ( he only focused on that one substance ) in their brains and directly tying it to the actual shots they got since there are ways to discover the same “ signature “ of a vaccine similar to DNA. The body protects the brain barrrier from ingestion of aluminum so it’s been proven that eating tuna fish or other oral sources of aluminum is 99% eliminated from the body and Doesn’t cross the brain barrier. Vaccines are DESIGNED to cross the brain barrier. Not stay in the arm. It’s damning once you look at and read everything. They’ve lied to the public. It’s absolute evil. Go to a chikdrens cemetery. Read the date of birth and death. It’s always : first day of life ( Hep B , vitamin K) 6 weeks , 8 weeks, 12 weeks and on amd on. It follows the vaccine schedule exactly !
The kids are not all right. It’s not a change in definition that’s driving it. Please just keep an open mind about past damage, as well, that many people live with and had swept away and dismissed. Skepticism all around based on the current disaster may well just save the future generation.
If it’s a behavioral diagnosis error, then no one has come close to being able to find out how to diagnose autism yet. How many years have passed since that excuse was used and the rate has multiplied exponentially year after year? And why do the years with the biggest spikes coincide with the years that the childhood vaccine schedule was expanded?
I’ve posted a link to 160 research papers supporting a link between vaccines and autism. Should be more than enough there to at least generate some healthy skepticism.
More people should know about the testimony from whistleblowers as well. Of course, no one would ever find any of this info unless they had reason to start searching for more info.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/160-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link
https://thehighwire.com/editorial/exposed-world-renowned-vaccine-scientists-shocking-legal-deposition-now-public/
Hard proof is very hard to come by.
I am familiar with the anti-vaxx arguments but also have not investigated them in great detail. My tentative conclusions were that
- the correlations are concerning, and the absence of hard evidence (which would not be especially difficult to collect) likely indicates Nelsonian Knowledge by those whose responsibility it is to collect such evidence.
- the "proof" that vaccines work is highly questionable as the people who created and advanced that proof are now proven corrupt, liars who have made huge, conserquent financial gains.
The likelihood of previous corruption implies (at least to me) that no vaccines can be trusted even if I cannot be certain they cause harm. And the fact that we have caught the vaccine pushers deploying vaccines in such a way as to cause deliberate harm (see https://infertilitymovie.org/a-diabolical-agenda/) massively increases the likelihood that the same people have committed the same crime previously.
Easy check: the adjuvant blamed for causing autism is the same as is used as a preservative in tatoo inks, an in much, much greater concentration and quantitiy.
So anyone with a even just one or two moderately complex tatoos should be high-risk re: autism. Yet there is zero correlation between tatoos and autism.
Autism is genetic, and complex. It is also massively overdiagnosed and the bar to qualify has been lowered to the level of a joke, due to Karens of both genders not wanting to raise and discipline their children and teach them to behave properly.
One thing I noticed, teaching 'aspies' both real and alleged is this: it's real easy to test for in school.
If the kid with the alleged Aspergers doesn't get easier tasks, lowered bars and all-around greased wheels and mollycoddling, in 9 cases out 10 the Aspergers goes away. Same with ADHD or dyslexia. No special track meaning a softer course = the cure for 9/10 of childhood behavioural disorders.
I noticed this when I started telling students and their parents (if the student was a legal minor) that while I would certainly adapt to the alleged diagnosis, this meant /more/ work for the student and even more work for the parents,since the student still must reach the same minimum level as everyone else, or get a failing grade.
Lo and behold, most everyone's problems cleared up. It's the same with parents demanding special diets. Show me a signed diagnostic from an actual medical doctor - not a note from your ayurveda yogi or from some online test by Dingus, Doofus and Dibbler, esq. Again, 9/10 of all "eating disorders" clears up if the person doesn't get a) attention, b) food.
First, Autism is a disorder developed in early childhood. You can’t develop it as an adult. So the tattoo hypothesis is garbage. Second, my first kid was diagnosed by one psychologist. My second had to go through a gauntlet of professionals, so most places won’t recognize a diagnosis unless it’s done properly. And third, while I recognize many teenagers with high-functioning or mild issues should not be coddled (you are totally right) it’s ridiculous to claim that solves most behavioral issues. And blaming parents is the go-to for people who don’t live in this nightmare and haven’t witnessed their children literally stolen from them and incapable of functioning in their own bodies and minds. From severe to moderate, it’s heartbreaking, and compounded by people who think we’re just coddling our kids or who don’t want to parent them appropriately. It’s insulting. It’s wrong. And if you believe that the government is covering up injuries with its covid jab program, you can’t now ignore the ones who have been screaming for decades and demanding answers as if they’re just Karen’s who need to sit down and listen to the grownups talk about REAL science.
In support of your observations one may cite the mushrooming of conditions with each and every new edition of the DSM. Psychiatric and psychological “disease” is a massive growth industry. On the spectrum of “normal” to “mentally ill” there used to be quite a middle grey zone. This grey zone has been steadily subsumed by the “disease” label.
As Freddie DeBoer calls it, the "gentrification of mental illness."
I know of no babies that get tattoos. The brains are being damaged while they are most delicate i.e. when they are young.
The aluminum nano-particles DO travel to the brain from the injection site.
Autism & Aluminum Adjuvants in Vaccines: How Aluminum Adjuvants in Vaccines Can Cause Autism
https://vaccinepapers.org/review-paper-al-adjuvant-autism-20-pages-97-references/
Have you read Dr. James Lyons-Weiler's book, The Environmental and Genetic Causes of Autism?
See his Substack for an introduction:
https://popularrationalism.substack.com/p/your-doctor-needs-to-read-this-in
I’ll spend some time in there, thank you. I’d be willing to bet our biomed doctor knows most of this, because he’s on a persistent hunt for everything from genetic mutations to mitochondrial dysfunctions to viruses. What we do know is that my boys have wildly malfunctioning immune systems.
"this is mostly driven by a change in the diagnosis and definition of autism as opposed to real changes in prevalence"
You're not actually offering this as proof of anything are you? Didn't the CDC change the definition of vaccine, too?
Yes, as i said above.
I think it would be a more persuasive argument here if you could cite some clinical studies which have been peer reviewed. Whilst I am very concerned about the mRNA gene therapy experiment, I have not found anything substantive to convince me that the vaccines i grew up with throughout the 70s & 80s ever did anything but good.
Caveat here is that formulations MAY have been changed in more recent times, surreptitiously - but, I think that the prevalence of so many hideous chemicals in our environment, food, air and water which are known to cause a wide range of neuro-toxic, endocrine disrupting, carcinogenic - 'every-genic' - along with the low quality of food/diets is far more likely to explain the uptick in all manner of chronic illnesses, conditions or diseases than a conspiracy to cause autism via a vaccine.
Occam's razor here comrades - and don't attack the messenger just because you don't agree. This kind of aggression and myopia is an extension of the outrage-mongering our dear elite have been stoking to keep us immobilised and disunited since time, and it really weakens the rest of our power to co-operate, organise and resist.
Namaste.
Gato malo, you are wrong. You are simply lm missing a large part of this pic.
Think about the following:
The surest and quickest method of inducing neurodevelopmental abnormalities in experimental animals is by exposing them perinatally to immune stressors.
Usually this involves inducing inflammation and viral OR bacterial infection in pregnant dams.
The pathophysiological and behavioural consequences of this are more than a lot sumilar to what we see in human autism.
Moreover these pups are now super vulnerable to future 'immune stressors' - every little encounter will send the over the hyperinflammatory and autoimmune edge, complete with neurological abnormalities, seizures etc.
Again pathological findings in those experimental animal studies - including in primates - are almost identical to what we find in human autism:. Messed up neurology, skewed immunity (primed, sensitised and hyperactive but reduced ability to actually clear pathogens), fkd up macrobiome, youn name it.
Btw family history of autoimmune disease and infection in pregnancy are two biggest confirmed risk factors for autism.
It is not only possible that inflammation in pregnancy and genetic autoimmune risk factors predispose to autism as triggered or worsened by vaccines... it is almost a certainty.
Yes, it's accepted that maternal immune activation (MIA) causes autism. Now, what's the difference between MIA and when the child is outside of the womb? When it's just a few months or even years the difference is almost nothing.
Vargas et al. started showed this in 2005:
Neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15546155/
Chronic microglia activation, a sign of immune activity in the brain, has been shown to be common in autism, likely occurring in a minimum of 69% of cases.
Relevance of Neuroinflammation and Encephalitis in Autism
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4717322/
What do vaccines do? They cause inflammation. That's their job or they don't work.
Vaccines inflame or otherwise disrupt the brain in various ways:
• metabolic
• bacterial infective
• viral infective
• toxic
• allergic
• autoimmune
Can autoimmune responses cause neurological issues? Yes, they can:
The Emerging Link Between Autoimmune Disorders and Neuropsychiatric Disease https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3086677/
Yes. Tons of info and links on pathlg findings in autism, incl. neuroinflammatory, on thininkgautism dot org dot uk - look under science news and research
Apologies for typos, typing on a moving train :)
“Below is a pdf article summarizing the science showing that aluminum adjuvant can cause brain injury and autism via immune activation/neuroinflammation. It summarizes most of the science here at vaccinepapers.org.”
http://vaccinepapers.org/review-paper-al-adjuvant-autism-20-pages-97-references/
http://vaccinepapers.org/wp-content/uploads/Autism-and-aluminum-adjuvants-in-vaccines-1.pdf
http://vaccinepapers.org/wp-content/uploads/Autism-brochure-Color-8.5x11.pdf
Ha yes.
I am curious about this, too. The research on existing vaccines isn't too impressive - most of it relies on the GRAS grandfathering of previous vaccines. When we look at epidemiological data and say, well, there is less polio, that seems like the same type of shoddy analysis the cat takes apart in the covid space.
Here’s some interesting info on measles and the vaccine. As it turns out, the vaccine was given credit for what was already happening naturally. An excerpt from the link below it:
“The first measles vaccine was developed in 1963 in the United States. According to CDC data, even before the vaccine was created, the measles death rate had already declined by over 98% between 1900 and 1960 as living conditions and care improved. In fact, the CDC touts that in the decade before 1963, each year just “an estimated 400 to 500 people died” from measles. This decline in measles mortality had nothing to do with the measles vaccine because the vaccine had not yet been invented.”
https://www.icandecide.org/oxford-professor-melinda-mills-claims-regarding-measles-measles-vaccine/
I had measles when I was a kid. My brother had measles. All the other kids on eh street had measles.
I've long been under the impression measles is not very harmful to children, though potentially much more harmful to adults, and the theory back in my day was kids should get it and give it to each other to protect their adult selves.
I literally stated all this in my other connect. Ty for linking El Gato. A lot of this is in ICAN white papers and chikdrens health defense as well as Lois fishers organization. Once one looks , the plethora of damning science proving vaccines are deadly is overwhelming.
They’ve never tested most of the vax against true placebo. They always use ANOTHER vax with the same basic adjuvants. The adjuvants are aluminum, polysorbates (2! and these can break the blood brain barrier which our bodies usually have skin, digestive systems and so on to prevent anything from getting into certain spaces like the BBB, yet we inject these into day old infants?), proteins grown on monkey kidneys, equine, bovine, porcine (porky pig) cells, and of course grown on the 2 aborted babies that have contributed their dna fragments to every vaccine in the childhood schedule—- both a male and a female aborted baby. What could go wrong? Gender confusion? Allergies to peanuts when no one else in the entire family tree ever had allergies? Allergies to pet dander when no one else in the family tree ever had allergies? HUGE jumps in eczema. psoriasis, asthma when no one else in the family tree had these? (Skin rashes usually mean a toxin is trying to get out).
PLS go find Ashley Everly’s FB or telegram pages. She has the
entire list of vaccines and their inert ingredients. She is a biologist and toxicologist with a vax-injured kid. The ingredient lists and the BLACK BOX warnings should be enough to tell you this vax isn’t the first BS screw up they’ve made. Health doesn’t come from a toxin bypassing your skin, organs and digestive system. Anti-vaxxers aren’t any more stupid than we who GET the BS regarding this “vaccine”. We are just better researched, and well read.
Exactly. That’s in the lawsuits ICAN and chikdrens health defense lawyer Aaron Siri proved in lawsuits we all won against CDC HHS and FDA. Ty for expounding !!!
Small correction: I’m a dermatologist and “skin rashes usually mean a toxin is trying to get out” is laughable at best. Don’t give people trying to vilify your vax argument such easy ammo. As for the rest of what you said, I’m open to it.
Exactly! We need to be mindful that Big Pharma will go to any lengths to protect the vaccination schedules, just as they have with the COVID jabs. They will fund bogus studies, and use their connections/power/money to denigrate researchers/studies that go against the narrative.
Yes! I’d always considered myself a “scientific” person - holding a Chemical Engineering degree, and all…. I was pro-vax, but these past two years opened my eyes. RFK Jr’s book on Fauci and Forrest Marready’s book “Crooked” (Toby Rogers recommendation) were a one-two punch to my beliefs!
I am a Chem E ( ‘84) as well. Tough school work was worth it in so many ways.
Do you follow Naked Emperor (Ivor Cummins)? He's a Chem E -- You'd like his work, too.
thanks… I will look
There are other books. Would you like recommendations? My kids have never been vaccinated. Much healthier than their peers. Handle illnesses like champs. I did get vaccinated while pregnant with my first (flu, my only flu shot ever). I had several boosters just before conceiving her. I certainly wasn’t an anti-vaxxer until I looked into it.
I keep up with the research as I want my kids to protect their children (someday).
Everyone including El Gato need to read both books. Crooked is eye opening.
Thank you for this! Toby's Economy of Austism is a very good place to start taking a look at a complex topic through "new eyes". Also, Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries reallllllly takes apart the history, so you can see the whole premise of vaccination unravel completely and fall into a neat little mountain of yarn at your feet.
btw, did you even read why you linked?
it's a mostly anti-modern age screed from a philosophy department.
but amusingly, it states: "Of all of the possible factors associated with autism in this thesis, the connection between SSRI use during pregnancy and autism is the clearest."
his discussion of vaccines is all politico-eonomic and about lack of controls.
no real evidence of causal impact is present.
please do not spam me with misrepresented high volume pieces or i'll assume you're not on the level and stop reading anything you post. you get one strike on that.
this was it.
How about watch Vaxxed 1& 2 as well
As read ICAN white papers. The sciebtifuc causality papers are there. All from govt documentation. Again I’d you don’t know wfst the 1986 Act did you Might begin to think about all the info shared with you and what you may not be aware of. It’s ok to be ignorant. But not willfully so.
Vaccines cause autism.
https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/01/analysis-of-dr-zimmermans-affidavit-regarding-vaccines-causing-autism-in-exceptional-cases/
Yes, they do. Zimmerman and Kelley worked primarily with the metabolic phenotype.
"Our clinical experience at Kennedy Krieger Institute over the last 15 years has shown that a deficiency of mitochondrial complex I is a common cause of regressive autism.
...
Regression often can be dated to a specific event, most often a simple childhood illness, such as otitis media, streptococcal pharyngitis, or viral syndrome, or, rarely, an immunization, most often the MMR vaccine or the former DPT. The common feature of all identified precipitants is inflammation. Regression occurs either acutely during the illness or within 14 days of immunization with the MMR attenuated virus vaccine."
http://mitomedical.com/2013/04/16/evaluation-and-treatment-of-autism-bywith-mitochondrial-disease-by-dr-richard-kelley/
"Regression occurs either acutely during the illness or within 14 days of immunization with the MMR attenuated virus vaccine."
Richard I. Kelley, MD, PhD
Division of Metabolism, Kennedy Krieger Institute
Department of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions
How many autistic children have mitochondrial disorders? The estimate is somewhere between 25% and 40%:
"The studies reviewed herein provide support to the idea of a link between mitochondrial dysfunction and the behavioural phenotype of autism."
Mitochondrial Dysfunction in Autism Spectrum Disorders
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5137782/
And here is a compensation award for Hannah Poling for exactly this mechanism:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-to-receive-15m-plus-in-first-ever-vaccine-autism-court-award/
The six vaccine-induced phenotypes are:
• metabolic
• bacterial infective
• viral infective
• toxic
• allergic
• autoimmune
Thank you for trying, André. The link to The Vaccine Course would be helpful.
from one of your colleagues at ICWA.
See my long comment. I said the same but I’m not sure if my full comment was allowed as I can’t afford to support everyone I read. Please let me know
Who knows whether vaccines primarily cause autism? In the '60s and '70s, autism was effectively catatonia. (I'll grant you, even 1/3 of those so labeled being nonverbal is still a massive increase.) Now it's stimming. (As if! Hardly universal amongst those labeled "autistic"). IOW, until it's properly defined, in a way also applicable retrospectively, what "autism" is isn't even properly defined. Okay, it's social deficit. Rigorously define that, please! Until we know what we talk about, assigning blame for it is futile. I'd be far more amenable to blaming ubiquitous peanut allergy on this vaccine rage.
Great post except the comments about how effective and safe previous vaccine are. Look at the inserts for each of them. They are not effective and they are not safe. The same fraud in trials occurred with each and every vaccine on the market. If a blessings has come out of this tragic period of history, it’s been hesitancy on the previous vaccines. More expert eyes on these horrible, old science, long term disease causing injections with no liability is what we have needed for over 30 years.
Food and clean water would save more lives. Vitamins better than vaccines for rich and poor alike.
Chronic illness not worth the reduction in measles.
Please research more. The US schedule isn’t safe at all.
Big Pharma Wants to Put an End to Vitamins and Supplements
“The pharmaceutical industry wants nothing more than to put an end to one of its biggest competitors – vitamins and supplements. They’ve been trying for years to do it, but now they’re pulling out the stops to make it happen. Take action now to safeguard your access to supplements.”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/big-pharma-wants-to-put-an-end-to-vitamins-and-supplements_4606826.html?
Cited in the ET article is the Alliance for Natural Health. They are leading the charge in this fight:
https://anh-usa.org/
I heard about this on a recent Conservative Review podcast with Daniel Horowitz
Democrat Dick Durbin is leading the war on supplements. It’s absolutely disgusting, what they are doing. They want the entire country sick and dependent on Big Pharma.
It’s all just so diabolical.
Combine that with the war on Real Food, and we have a full blown monopoly on HEALTHtm... the fact there are vested interests that are on the inside of it all is just... I couldn't imagine such evil.
I was pro vaccine until this vaccine and the research I had to do to get my religious exemption at work. I came to realize in that research that I had just followed along and followed the immunization schedule with my children because that’s what MY parents did. I didn’t question anything. I actually now have regrets for doing that to my children given my son’s Asperger‘s diagnosis and my daughter at 18 months having a tumor removed from her left adrenal gland. The swine flu vaccine was paused in nine states after three people died and shut down altogether after 25 people died ...fast forward to the Covid vaccines and we just keep plugging along… Remember we all had to wear a mask “even if it saves just one life“? What happened to that kind of thinking when it comes to vaccines? The pro-Covid-vax people have a “I’m fine nothing happened to me so therefore the vaccines are safe” kind of selfish thinking. I just can’t believe that there are still vaccine mandates in this country at colleges/universities, the military, and businesses… I have to write a religious exemption request for my daughter starting who is entering her freshman year at a university this fall that still requires it. A Catholic university and they require that the religious exemption request to be notarized. They even require the boosters. Still. When is this nightmare going to end? I keep praying for truth to be revealed and for people to wake up. 
AllieMarie, exact same - faith in vax & regret not knowing better & subjecting my children to same. I thought some of those Hollywood anti-vaxers were nuts. No longer.
It ends when you stop complying. For each of us
I have not complied with the vaccine or the boosters. I work with people who literally want unvaccinated people to suffer and die. I was required to take a Covid test every week for six months while my fully vaccinated and boosted colleagues weren’t even subjected to randomized testing and they were getting knocked down by Covid. It was infuriating to watch. It’s no longer just as simple as not complying. I just don’t know what that looks like. Look what happened to the Canadian truckers movement. 
understood. not sure what it looks like either, but it starts with not complying. It took a lot of gumption for me to go into stores unmasked in the height of the nonsense and I would have people come up and whisper thanks to me. I lost most of my friends. and those losses are being filled with new, better friends. and there are way more of us than them. the truckers had a magnificent ripple effect on the whole world. this has been in the planning for a very long time. We are lucky enough to be here for the end game. and it does indeed start with non compliance. and humour. humour seems to shrivel them.
Same with regard to the masks - for the most part I refused to wear one. Had to wear one at work. I also lost a friend of over 30 years over the vaccine. When I had reached out to her asking for prayer because my employer had just issued a vaccine mandate and I was terrified she accused me of being fiercely anti-VAX. At that point in time I was only anti-the COVID-19 vax. I guess she didn’t like the fact that I had laughed when she asked me several months earlier if I was going to enter the vaccine lottery that Governor DeWine had created (if you got vaccinated you were entered into a million dollar lottery. Stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of at that point.) Because I knew she had gotten the vaccine I kept any kind of anti-vaccine comments to myself and never said anything negative about HER decision...but my laughing at the lottery must’ve really struck a nerve with her. Anyway - good point about the humor; they can’t seem to handle it.
I am there - control group n=1 - they (almost?) all got "Covid" - my last (mild) cold was Jan 2019. "... required to take [weekly] ... test" - yes - they said "PCR medically supervised" I said no - they said home test - I did one (half faked it) and stopped - that's where we are now!
I am very fortunate - nearing retirement - they need me and shudder to think of replacing me (computers) - what a long strange trip it has been! "Not complying" is better than nothing. It's a start. And many colleagues refused (soft mandated) boosters.
We are sadly in the same camp...my son has autism but he’s older and totally independent. Ditto everything you say about following along and not questioning. I just got a bug in my head after myself taking two shots and decided to investigate the vaccines. As far as people countering with “I am fine nothing happened to me,” I read an article yesterday where only 5% of the batches had about 90% of the worst adverse effects and deaths. Yes, it’s a nightmare that keeps going on and on...we thought they’d spare the young people and babies. I have a feeling this helped to wake some normies up.
Whenever folks pull the "I got vaxxed and I'm fine " anecdote, then refer to them the "so I didn't and I'm fine too" one. Two can play that silly game.
Ultimately, no one knows the long-term consequences of getting covid vs. getting vaxxed (and then getting covid, regardless) but if I'm going to make my bet I'll take the former (with some good early treatment). I did as much and I'm fine. I'll admit it was not pleasant (early treatment was not as early as ideal), but c'est la vie - the choice to abstain on this dubious transfection cocktail and take my chances with covid naturally wasn't guaranteed to be a risk-free investment (in my short or long-term immune health) but then nothing is. These covid jabs are certainly not, either.
But if PHE are so willing to obscure the scientific data to this degree during covid and blatantly push this level of 'vaccine' nonsense, one would have to be a fool not to wonder to the degree they've been doing it all along.
I love your work! Truly. The world needs more bad kitties batting around the tough questions that just won't die. BUT, this platitude gave me a great big, concerned pause. "you know why people trusted vaccines for MMR and polio and diphtheria? because as long as you didn’t get some cut rate version from a bill gates crony, they worked. they had long records of safety and efficacy. you got the vax, the side effects were negligible, and you did not get the disease. polio and measles and smallpox went away."
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh :-/ Whose gonna tell kitty.....?
Looks like bad kitty needs to do their research on the history of allll vaccines. If kitty is exasperated now....yikes! Can't even imagine how they'll feel when they realize that not one of the liability-free childhood vaccines is or was ever safe, effective, or necessary to advance individual or public health. And that there have been more injuries and deaths attributed in full or in part to those vaccines than kitty could wrap his feline mind around. And those parents and families have been ignored and silenced for decades. DOJ don't play. Ain't nothin' negligible, kitty. You ain't gonna find those "long records of safety and efficacy", but I do urge the Cat to take a long, hard look for 'em. And the history of the SP, MMR, and Polio injections is arguably just as twisted and dark as this "massive carpet of tactical twaddle made up on the fly from dodgy data and dodgier intentions" that we've all just watched unfold before our very eyes.
see above.
i have looked at this.
I agree it’s not a slam dunk and the safety profiles are nothing like the current Covid vaccines. However adverse events do exist and on a greater scale than what is reported in VAERS and I think that’s the point many parents who have dealt with vaccine injury are trying to make. that and what were the actual risks of certain diseases versus the risks of the vaccine because that calculus is very blurry right now.

I don’t know if you’ve watched the WHO meeting from the fall of 2019 where they talked about vaccine hesitancy. It’s somewhat jaw dropping in a lot of ways because they talked about the fact that most of the vaccine hesitant have legitimate questions that do not have answers. They had a discussion about adjuvants and how different adjuvants are selected for different antigens. One health minister from an African country asked how the vaccine manufacturers were so confident there wouldn’t be adverse reactions when administering multiple doses from different companies at the same time using different adjuvants (these things are not tested). There was no answer except for, well we give them in different limbs. Now we know that not every vaccine stays in the injection site. Do we not think this is some thing to study and look at? There are many questions like this that have never been looked at and never been addressed. Not on the scale of this COVID-19 vaccine for sure, but that doesn’t matter when it happens to you or your kid.
While I don’t think vaccines are the sole reason for the explosion of childhood chronic illness and autism rates, I do think they are a contributing factor. Environmental toxins are everywhere and this generation is more toxic than their parents, and their grandparents so on it so forth. So can excessive immune activation cause neuro inflammation and a cascade of other injuries to the body that lead to auto immunity, yes absolutely.
And the last thing I think people get so frustrated with is the 1986 act in the United States. The complete blanket from liability for any vaccine on the childhood schedule. We know this is why they’re pushing it for children so hard in this country because they can never end the UA unless it’s on the schedule so that way this vaccine would be covered under that liability shield. Most people had no idea that this liability shield even existed and it just makes people think and wonder.
Oh, also I learned recently from a discussion between Geert Vanden Bosch and Dell Bigtree that apparently Geert was part of a conversation at the WHO about removing aluminum as an adjuvant because they were aware of its toxicity to the human body. Pharmaceutical companies prevented that from happening but that was some thing I did not know, neither did Dell because he was surprised when Geert mentioned that. Aluminum has long been some thing the vaccine hesitant community has fought against because of Chris Exeley’s work and discovering large deposits of aluminum in the brains of autistic individuals. There are many many pieces to the puzzle but this is an important one I do not think we should just so casually overlook.
What have you "looked at"? The vast swath of research into naturally acquired immunity VS injected antigens, adjuvants, and emulsifiers? The gut/brain/immune axis and how injections throw it into disorder and dysfunction? The early development permeability of the blood brain barrier and the biopersistance of injected aluminum? The history of disease and mortality and morbidity in the western world? The biological consequences of injecting neurotoxins/mutated virueses/foreign human and animal DNA into babies? Insertional mutagenesis? Current rates of chronic disease and neurodevelopmental injury in kiddos these days? The dirty mess behind the curtain of FDA/CDC scientific integrity and ethics? You've looked into all of that and more and still don't get it? Hmm. Kitten needs a nap.
If they’re so great why are the manufacturers immune from all liability if they kill or maim children?
The “but muh traditional vaccines” crowd never answers this question lol
Well keep looking
This. EGM, I have confidence in you. If you don’t look at anything else, look well into the MMR injured, the HPV/gardisil injured wherein girls as young as 13 have been rendered infertile and sent into menopause, where the USA sent gardisil 1 to other nations like India and Africa because it was too dangerous for us— but hey, Billy & Tony don’t have a fig abt Africans nor Indians, so they can use this clusterbleep of a vax. And look into hours-old infants having “vitamin K” (which is abt as much of a vitamin
i’m as these jabs are a vax) and HEPATITIS vax (because infants are all the time having sex!) and then look into the Hannah Pollan case wherein MERCK was forced to pay $5 million plus a lifetime support fee because (in a nutshell) her parents were able to show that she did in fact descend into autism after a “catch up” round of vax. Don’t read the first dozen articles you find. They gloss over it. Really dive deeply.
It's unbelievable to me they got so many takers. How in the world did this make any sense? Who would believe that this was the science on such flimsy data and with fauci as the head cheerleader.
I love Trump but the fact that he shut the economy down at all was the biggest error he ever made...on the word of a proven liar? C'mon...all you needed to do was listen to this man who flip flopped on everything and you wouldn't have taken this vaccine but everyone did...my smart friends rushed for it! They wouldn't consider that there might be serious side effects when they were everywhere.
It was like a bad dream. I even began to think in my weaker moments that maybe it was me that was missing something!
I got rid of my doctor after one huge argument...and my trust in the medical community is forever fractured.
Agree completely. Trump's original instincts were correct and he got rolled by Birx and Fauci, two absolute felonious clowns. That's a pretty big stain on his leadership.
The 'smart' friends who were first in line for the jab were anything but, despite the many degrees after their names. Same phenomenon in my world... the 'smarter' turned out to be, well, braindead.
I have "smart" friends who got it, but by and large the people in my circle whom I consider truly intelligent, who also happen to have letters by their names, didn't. A lot of PhD's chose not to be injected. And then, there were people who said they would never get it, and then caved after the mandates were removed in order to travel, after having not left the country for two years and lying to their families who thought not getting it made you evil.
I have this possible argument coming up next month at my annual...he’s going to get tested. Has anybody else done this with their doctor...asked them if they changed their mind on the jab? I think the Trumpsters just want him to admit it and all is forgiven, but I think because of ego he won’t. 
He's never going to admit that he was wrong...be prepared to pick another MD...not easy to find a good one...next to impossible so good luck!
My physician has never even brought up the subject of covid vaccines with me. He is a member of that dwindling species, General Practicioner, with 40+ years experience in the same town delivering babies, removing tonsils, etc. What was once commonly known as a "trusted family physician". When he retires or dies I suppose I will be doctor-less. I have no idea what he thinks about the covid vaccine and I've never mentioned it, although I can guess his views based on our brief discussions about the current dismal state of the medical system. He also doesn't accept insurance, so that's a tell.
Treasure him...a real unicorn!
I did. I got her to give my a scrip for HCQ in July 2020. I told her pretty soon they’d be threatening drs. I gave her all current Plandemic proof then. 8 months later I went in to get ivermectin. She’d been double vaxxed. I was silent. She knew by my silence she screwed up. 34 year old beautiful woman woth her e tire life ahead of her. She fled to KY. I now have ultra catholic dr who refuses to givevcovid shots , will give you saline injection if you can’t get exemption. Wil give medical exemption and mask exemption in writing. He’s a hero.
You are so lucky, honestly. I wish a pediatrician like this existed.
It feels better to tell yourself that these people have just been confused, misled, fed incorrect information and have "made a mistake" than to confront the realization that it was 100% deliberate and planned. At some point, though, you've really got to take the blinders off and face the ugly truth.
There's a serial killer in the neighborhood. Stop going to sleep with your doors unlocked.
they are not smart enough to have planned this.
it was just reactive opportunism.
good grief. were they 'smart' enough to have created a world wide consensus? to have long term strategies to place their stooges in governments and cabinets around the world? EGM you seriously might want to consider the hubris of thinking you know more than everyone else. That your readership, whom you presumably approve of for being your readership, overwhelmingly are pointing something out to you which you refuse to see.
The jury is still out on this for me. I think some DID plan a lot of it, and some of it was opportunistic and predatory. Really, Fauci’s part in it was planned and staged. The whole HIV/AZT thing was a dress rehearsal. Billy (from the) Gates (of hell), with his massive God complex and massive cash stash had a lot to do with it. Look into his HPV/gardisil connection and India’s official reaction to that fiasco. It’s all so diabolical, the devil himself had to have plenty to do with it. It’s too well woven to be the work of any 3-4 people or even a committee.
By the way, KC....the massachusetts department of children and families, our "child protective services" agency decreed in early 2021 that the experimental shot was considered to be "routine medical" and every child unfortunate enough to come into the agency who was (oh goody for them) "eligible" was expected to get it. Turns out that this is the M.O. of DCF; back when the AIDS situation came out and the experimental (and horrendously dangerous and devastating) drug AZT came out as a "savior".....guess what, the Agency ALSO decried that it was to be considered "routine medical". Every single scumbag manager in this state should be on trial for Crimes Against Humanity, and the Agency itself should be shut down. It's despicable.
It doesn't have to be a "dress rehearsal", it can equally just be Fauci being the lowlife that he is, several times over as convenient situations come up, and getting promoted instead of called out over it. Old dogs new tricks, and all that.
Gates, though, I could quite believe he is deliberately meddling, I'm just not ready to draw a conclusion on whether he is genuinely deluded that he is "doing good" with his foolishness.
Like a good girl, I thought Gates was a fabulous philanthropist and I’m certain he has done a world of good but it appears that he has also used Africans and others as guinea pigs, as their laws and medical structures are not as stringent as ours. If you read RFK jr’s THE REAL ANTHONY FAUCI, you may see a different side. I mean toward him starting out doing good and eventually puffing himself up and garnering a humongous God Complex, the likes of which is only seen in Klaus Schwab and the WEF people—- and I use the term “people” lightly.
While I completely agree that the jowels of the bureaucratic lower levels have been quivering anticipatorially with glee envisioning piles of money.....those at the top levels who are the actual puppet masters are scarily smart. I was a middle manager for a state agency in massachusetts until they fired me at the end of last year for refusing to bow to tyranny. I watched the way the entire scenario rolled out from my vantage point as an insider. Little foundational pieces had been laid out quietly going back twenty years.....and in 2021, the pieces clicked all together. The statewide health insurance mandate across the entire population came from a rhino governor (Romney) and was embraced by the majority, a clever 'nonpartisan' strategy. At the time, the CURRENT rhino governnor (Baker) was up to his neck in both the health insurance industry (as CEO of Harvard Pilgram) and the tech industry, which was where he started out.....and a bosom buddy of the Romster. This mandate flipped the switch on the electronic medical record system that began being assembled behind the scenes...without the knowledge of the citizenry of massachusetts. The state's top five priorities, posted year after year from that point on, always listed electronic infrastructure as #1....but there was never any publicity paid to this, and only those of us who were involved in finance even bothered to read the voluminous reports, which detailed a whole lot of stuff that didn't seem to even be happening. Fast forward a decade, and good old Charlie registered his private corporation with the secretary of state called "CDBII Partners LLC" ( ID 001112765) whose activities were "to provide management services primarily to healthcare organizations". This company, with very little information about its actual activities available anywhere, has been in existance throughout his tenure as governor....despite the appearance of a conflict of interest. In early 2020 right when the plandemic was announced, quiet reports about Baker partnering with a little-known tech company to "pilot the rollout of a contact tracing system" across the state began popping up in financial and tech media articles. Then....in August of 2021, Baker mandated a decree that all exec branch state employees take the experimental shots as a condition of employment AND voluntarily enter their personal information into a state-operated app. Which, it turned out, interfaced with the behind-the-scenes medical record network. Employees who made up bogus lot numbers ended up getting their information bounced back as "unverifiable". - On the day that the state agencies announced the mandate to their employees, all the Unions announced same to their membership.....and it turned out that the Union bosses had been called into an "emergency" meeting the night before with the Secretary of Health and Human Services where they were TOLD that this mandate was not negotiable, and there was no bargaining. No options. At the meeting with the top managers in my agency, our commissioner informed us about the mandates, and also admitted that those "rare few" who would be granted religious exemptions would also be required to volunteer their personal information into the database. Turns out that in my agency of just over 4000 staff, around 700 people submitted religious exemptions. NOT ONE was approved for accommodation of 100% remote work, an accommodation that had already been proven to be both reasonable and an established precendent for the prior 18 months. - In retrospect, every step of the way really seemed like a well-orchestrated plan being laid out. Too many "coincidences" to be random. And, after seeing all the patents on file for the coronavirus, the spike protein, the mRNA, et al...and the videos with the world economic forum and panels of "experts" (including Bill Gates, who isn't an expert in anything other than making money) with their plandemic drills happening in the months before the whole thing started, it definitely feels like it was all too well coordinated to be just a bunch of people all taking advantage of random opportunities to make a lot of money on a big misfortune. Just sayying.
This is the bargaining stage of grief for those still somewhat wedded to the establishment.
Exactly. My mother has been in this stage for the last year plus and is very determined not to leave it
The trust was violated a long time ago. If ordinary vaccines worked so well, why does everyone now need 4 shots, say, for MMR? Instead of the 2 shots that us Gen Xers got as kids? There are so many more questions like this.
I'm somewhat agnostic on the value of most preventative vaccines -- in that sense I am not a true antivaxxer -- but it seems unassailable that they simply aren't responsible for the vast, vast decreases in mortality from infectious disease over the last two centuries.
It feels to me like a lot of people on "our side" are still bargaining.
There are only a few bad apples...
We can fix the system...
If the good people were in place this wouldn't have happened... we'd still be living in a world where the rivers are made of chocolate and the clouds are cotton candy and none of the children are suffering from the highest levels of chronic illness in history, and are laughing and playing and dancing with gumdrop smiles...
Yep. Most of the reduction in mortality from infectious disease that has been ascribed to mass vaccination is really do to much more basic improvements in infrastructure. Things like widespread access to clean water. The arrow of time is a thing, and the mortality reductions generally preceded vaccination by a substantial span of time.
well, sort of.
OTOH, when a bunch of jenny mcarthy addled marin mommies stopped getting their kids the MMR vaxx, they got measles outbreaks in places there had not been a single case in decades.
it was small (because ~95% of kids and nearly all adults around them were vaxxed) but it does crop up.
note also that a lot of the rise in survival was due to better care as well. treatments for many diseases, even if just access to IV etc went way up.
the fact that morality was dropping anyway is clear, but this does not mean vaccines do not work.
i am not aware of a single case of someone with full MMR inoculation (2 doses) getting measles (unless severely immuno suppressed and nothing will work then) are you?
yet remove them and cases start to pop up.
Let's assume MMR reduces the incidence of measles, for the sake of argument.
Now what? Measles is about as dangerous as covid.
That opens a whole other question, which is the mania for vaccinating against viruses that aren't generally life-threatening, e.g. the flu shot. If you're talking something with high mortality, it's fairly easy to make the case that the risk/reward balance falls in favour of vaccination (assuming, that is, that the double-blind testing was done honestly, e.g. the placebo wasn't a needle full of adjuvants, which, yeah.)
On the other other hand, when you're talking about a common childhood illness with essentially zero mortality (e.g., chickenpox), then your product needs to be exceptionally safe to pass muster. Further, there's the issue of whether, in not getting infected with the wild virus, the child actually misses out on an important biological process. In some cases they could be getting something valuable from that infection.
Yes. Childhood cancers are through the roof compared to 50 years ago. Hygiene hypothesis is not responsible for that one! Febrile infections have been inversely correlated with cancer rates for a couple of hundred years, though, and we understand some of the mechanisms now.
Huh. Hadn't even thought of that. A week trained immune system will clear out cancer cells faster though, won't it?
My older sisters (eldest is from 1961) all had measles as children, one even had chicken pox concurrently and got some mention in the medical annals.... My understanding is that natural immunity was and is still superior and if allowed to circulate as a childhood disease it does little damage and tops up herd immunity much more effectively. But if you have a bunch of people who were not exposed to the virus because of mass vaccination, you will have outbreaks. Still, how many people die from these outbreaks in developed countries and is it worth the side effects from vaccines when a good immune system could do better without the risks? It’s not to me, not anymore. Not when it’s your child and it is my child. Why do we not teach people to strengthen their health?
I don’t know this for sure but vaccinations for rubella and mumps seem to be the only ones that are essential since getting those diseases in adulthood can be catastrophic, rubella for a pregnant woman and mumps for a teenage boy. So what if someone gets regular measles or chickenpox? Almost nonexistent mortality in children. And then if they get those diseases they really do have a lifetime immunity, plus a pregnant mother with natural immunity can give her developing baby immunity. It’s the aluminum adjuvants in vaccines that should be tested and trialed and never give a baby more than one or two vaccines at a time, never when they’re sick, try to wait til after age 3, and don’t give them Tylenol before and after the shots. And childhood vaccinations have NOT been rigorously tested over decades, go reread the literature.
I wondered why in early grade school they subjected us to a full-court press to get the German measles vaccine; how it blinded the infected, etc. I'd already had German measles, rubella, chickenpox and mumps; in fact, was just back in the classroom after recovering from one of those last two. Seems the measles vaccine had just been introduced. How did I manage to see the blackboard and the Dick & Jane books? Was it hyped? Granted, my sister and I spent our vacation in the summer of 1962 in a basement so we wouldn't get exposed to harmful amounts of sunlight.
But Mickey Mouse spread vaccine measles strain!
I don't really know the subject in enough detail tbh, but I'd be very surprised if there were literally zero cases of fully inoculated children catching a given virus. Some will have relatively weak immune systems, therefore an insufficient immune response to generate lasting immunity. Which isn't necessarily an argument that it isn't effective at a population level.
We had an entire vaccinated ship of Navy personnel come down with mumps a couple of years ago. How the fuck did that happen? LOL. They are all vaccinated up the wazoo.
It's a mystery.
Cousin who is fully inoculated came down with measles
I only got one MMR as a small kid. Gen X. They added the 2nd one when I was over ten. I got it and a Tdap booster and immediately developed vitiligo. Vitiligo is venerated everywhere now. Studies show it’s caused by the aluminum in vaccines.
That's interesting. I was born in 75. How old are you? I'm pretty sure I got two MMR shots as a kid.
It's very difficult to make safe vaccines. The aluminum is added as a danger signal. You need it to get the desired immune response. That's why it's added. I'm therefore skeptical there is really any such thing as a safe vaccine, especially when you start piling shot on top of shot and increasing the total body burden of highly toxic elements that aren't kept out of systemic circulation by the digestive system, often in a huge bolus.
I don't think therapeutic vaccines, such as the one I manufacture, are entirely safe either. But the risk/reward ratio is completely and totally different. Most of the people being treated are suffering from debilitating morbidity or they are terminally ill. In that context it makes sense that you would take a risk with a therapy that has a 0.1% or 1% chance of causing systemic inflammatory response syndrome, etc.
this seems like an iffy standard as literally everything has risks.
looked at the same way, is any water or food truly "safe"?
it's all risk/benefit. i mean, no one would get shots if they did nothing just as you would not eat food that might have some level of pesticide or drink water than might have heavy metals unless it also conferred benefit.
nothing in the world is "entirely safe."
Of course. Totally agreed. But if you argue that preventative vaccines work... let's just accept this premise (even though I don't)... you actually have to *conduct* a risk benefit analysis.
There are game theoretic aspects to this, argue the maxx vaxxers. i.e. If incidence and mortality are quite low at a given point in time, people who don't vaxx are "free riders" whose luck will eventually run out.
I think that's totally wrong but I'll make my own post on it on my own stack and link back here when I'm done.
i agree that overall benefit may have been moderate, but overall risk was lower still.
are the benefits likely oversold? yes.
but are they still net positive? yes.
the autism links stemming from the wakefield fraud have been repeatedly disproven and the blame for autoimmune lies elsewhere.
we saw just such luck run out in several marin schools where the kids stopped vaxxing.
I think Wakefield is an honest actor and not a fraud. That belief is not mutually exclusive with the belief that vaccines are responsible for all the autism (because I personally don't believe that).
Where does the blame for autoimmune disease lie? I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that.
I'd also ask a rhetorical question to make a point. Where does the blame for heart disease lie? (In reality, it's probably on over a dozen factors...)
Keep looking. NO NET POSITIVE. Every injection does harm. Vaccination is not immunization.
Me thinks you might not understand Wakefiled's original scientific questioning. He studied a group of kiddos with PDD "pervasive developmental disorder" IE today's ASD. Major changes after MMR. These kiddos also had polyps in their colons which housed the live measles virus..... that was really curious. Points to Gut/Brain/Immune axis dysregulation. What could causes it?!?! Also, why does the MMR seem to be the gateway to brain injury from injection? Well, because you spent the first 12-15 months of the babies life injecting "dead" vaccines packed with neurotoxic adjuvants, which are scattered and attached to the macrophages in the body, then BAM! 3 live virus vaccine hits the child's immune system, activate several immune function mechanisms that are bogged down with toxic aluminum, and the gut/brain/immune axis pathways are now toxic highways. Don't forget that permeable blood brain barrier. The biological mechanisms of vaccine injury are complex and multi layered. Every injection does harm. The innate immune system is being dysregulated from birth. This is one slice of the pie, but a BIG ONE. Gotta turn the genetic susceptibility, MTHFR, c-section and the babies gut microbiome, formula, and acetaminophen rocks over too, dude. Keep looking!
So the Wakefield take down was a completely justified action by the same players? Have we leaned nothing of the tactics? It was you who opened my eyes! I used to just believe the accusations of fraud....
"no one would get shots if they did nothing"
Sure they would. There is a significant number lining up for their covid boosters right now and they'll continue to do so for 17 more shots. lol.
ok, fair. "if they beleived they did nothing" would have been the proper phrasing.
clearly, lots of people get flu shots too, and those are worthless and almost certainly a net harm.
"no one would get shots if they did nothing" ??? Really? Can't we think of any actual case where people got shot after shot that did nothing. SADS and myocarditis don't count. Or are people lining up consciously for these effect of the shots?
They didn't add the second shot until 1990, so I really doubt you got two as a tiny kid as you are a little older than I am. The uptake was very low in the 1980s for the first shot, less than 50%.
My parents had the measles. It was NBD. I have the letter from my Grandma where she told my Dad about all his childhood illness dates. It was a nothing burger to her. It's far worse in countries were kids are malnourished. It's also worse because of fear-mongering. Vitamins C and A are needed in high doses.
Yup. Thanks for the info about MMR 2 doses only until 90. Interesting. Now it's four.
Vax Harder! About as effective as Voting Harder.
The Maxx Vaxx Mass Formation Breakout Variant will keep circulating for quite awhile. LOL.
No, you don't. You can use more antigen, but that's expensive.
I have that, too. I was given a great many vaccines in the military. It developed after. Just FYI there was a study highlighted by epoch times on how high vitamin D helped people reverse vitiligo.
https://archive.ph/XR4W3
I'm a military brat. And my husband is AD AF, about to be kicked out after 16+ years, for passing on the covid pokes.
I am frustrated I didn't keep the study link re: guinea pigs and aluminuim adjuvants + vitiligo
Mercifully, mine is not too bad. Maybe because I supplement with D! It was awful as a teen though. I never saw anyone else with it in the early 1990s. Now, I see people all the time.
They've been making commercials with models that have it too. It's to normalize it like so many other conditions that are on the rise. Plus you have to know about it so you can get whatever bogus treatments pharma will come out with.
Because Merck falsified the efficacy data of the MMR
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-vaccine/merck-accused-of-stonewalling-in-mumps-vaccine-antitrust-lawsuit-idUSL1N0YQ0W820150604
Don’t worry just because Merck lied about Vioxx I’m sure they’re beautiful angels when they make MMR
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/merck-created-hit-list-to-destroy-neutralize-or-discredit-dissenting-doctors/
"it seems unassailable that they simply aren't responsible for the vast, vast decreases in mortality from infectious disease over the last two centuries."
Maybe a combination of herd immunity and loss of virulence in pathogens as the fatal variants weeded themselves out?
mostly, the drops in death rates preceded vaccines.
it was better nutrition, better medical care, and better hygiene.
but sharp declines also came after.
the biggest issue is that deaths are not a great measure of vaxx efficacy.
prior to 1963, nearly all US kids got measles before they reached 15.
now it's basically gone. even 1-2 cases cropping up makes the news.
The problem here is that it's actually a bit difficult to make a risk benefit analysis. Back in the 50s, a few hundred kids died of measles in the US every year. Today, about 10 people die from the measles vaccine every year that are obvious, but... how much morbidity are these vaccines causing? Are there vax deaths that aren't obvious? And in altering epidemiology in this way, what are the hidden trade-offs (such as rises in childhood cancer due to suppression of febrile childhood illnesses)? Etc.
These really aren't easy questions to answer actually. But I suspect (again, it's a suspicion, not anything like a proven hypothesis) that the dramatic decline in febrile childhood illnesses, *whatever* the cause (vaccines or not) is causing thousands of deaths yearly from childhood cancer. So is that worth it to save a few hundred kids from measles? Personally, I'd say no. If I had a kid, I would rather it have measles and die in a day or two rather than go slowly with cancer. Also if I had kids that's a risk I'd *probably* be willing to take with my present knowledge and investigation.
Yes, there are some very powerful factors responsible for this and I doubt we even know what they all are. Take Strep pyogenes, which has no vaccine... unless it's a therapeutic vaccine like the one I make, Coley's toxins. (Interestingly Strep products were stiff-armed by the FDA for about 34 years for really no reason at all, til 2006...)
Many strains possessing superantigens that cause scarlet fever, rheumatic fever, and erysipelas strongly declined.... even before the advent of antibiotics. Viral respiratory illnesses aren't exactly the same in that sanitation seems to do little. You could argue that sanitation alone is responsible for the decrease in virulence, but I'm not so sure.
And possibly a reduction in modesty allowed more vitamin D production and thus a better functioning immune system.
Burkas prevent vitamin D production. Bathing suits that expose more skin allowed more vitamin D production. A cultural preference for tanning reduces vitamin D production.
Prior to the 1900s, people exposed very little skin in the cities. Country folk were more practical. And most plagues were in the cities.
They were safe?
Would you please point me towards the randomized double blind *inert* placebo controlled vaccine safety studies you were reading that informed you of this?
The FDA seem to have misplaced them. They couldn't find them even after a lawsuit but it is wonderful that you have. Show us.
"Inert" is right. Andrew Wakefield, the world owes you an apology. And Wikipedia is captured (characterizing him as a "discredited academic").
Where do I start? Well, I am vaccine injured from the polio jab. Almost died when I was 3 months old in 1957. After my 4th jab, I developed spinal meningitis, was quarantined and couldn't walk for a while. I was 8 years old. After that I developed to this day - serious gut issues that make me avoid food. Gut issues for 60 years. Family members are vaccine injured as well. 1961 jabs caused allergies to fish/nuts/milk/you-name-it. 1968 jabs caused a lifetime of Tourette's. 1995 jabs caused seizures and then diabetes Most of my tax clients' kids are sick as shit. I have seen more medical records for 3 year olds with cancer in the past 7 years than I care to count. Cancers, seizures, autism, allergies, asthma, emotional disorders, skin issues, gut problems, you name it. And this was BEFORE the death jab was introduced in Dec 2020. Colleagues kids are sick as shit as well. MORE young ones with CANCER. St. Jude is a self-fulfilling hospital. Ever noticed how the birth rate is declining but children's hospitals are springing up like weeds? In 2019, my local hospital put in a new pediatric unit to deal with seizures. Because the demand for services to treat childhood seizures (can you day Dtap?) has escalated immensely. I have a colleague whose 5 year old grandson does not walk or talk. He is under the "care" of CHOP, a vaccine whorehouse. Of course the doctors tell her that her grandson has a "unique genetic code." Code for bullshit. Vaccines are processed like wars. Destroy something (in this case, start with the immune system) and then pay out the wazoo to rebuild it. Read "Dissolving Illusions" Polio, et al were eradicated before the introduction of the medical wonder jabs. The BEST thing that happened out of this clusterfuck plandemic was for the powers that be to call this death jab a "vaccine" AND for people to then start questioning vaccines. Lord knows I've broached the subject often in the past decade (Maybe vaccines are not safe and effective) and been shut down and gaslit endlessly.
Amen to all of this and also I am very sorry. I wish I had listened sooner. Learned my lesson that the experts don’t know jack.
It’s not just vaccines. It’s statins and dietary guidance and ivermectin doesn’t work… and so much more. The lies the healthcare industry has told us are legion. And now it seems the entire line of research on amyloid plaques as the root cause of dementia is based on fraudulent research. We have been massively red pilled. You just can’t put this kind of toothpaste back into the tube. https://youtu.be/scC2ElT3jO8
Read my comments. I’m a parent of two vaxx injured kids. 3rd not vaxxed. Healthy. I only mevtion eldest son , brain damaged by DPT shot in 88. Unvaxxed 6 yr old daughter healthy until my trusted DO convinced me to vaxx her with “ SAFE “ DtAP. Within months she got permenent severe RA ! On federal disability. Before internet. I had no idea beyond “ A shot in the dark “ and mendolsons book. We were told it was a hot lot. I didn’t know about Lois fisher. Thank GOD in a way for this VIDS and Plandemic. It’s waking most people up. FINALLY. Ty for your comments !
Oh, the statin thing is a really provocative rabbit hole to explore :)
Here is a long time editor of a top med journal NEJM:
"it is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines"
Here is link to a longer discussion:
https://participatorymedicine.org/epatients/2012/03/former-nejm-editors-on-the-corruption-of-american-medicine-ny-times.html
I am aware of this woman's claim from the work of John Rappaport - highly recommended:
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/
look for the links to his substack
“they had long records of safety and efficacy. you got the vax, the side effects were negligible, and you did not get the disease. polio and measles and smallpox went “
Tell that to my niece who has to take medicine every day and eat an extremely restrictive keto diet at 8 years old because she started having seizures after her MMR shot at 5. Her Iowa city docs told my bro “don’t vaccinate your other kids.” Do you think there is a vaers report for this?!
The same ass holes who tell you the Covid vaccines are safe are the same ass holes who tell you the other ones are safe.
Just curious how long after MMR the seizures started? My daughter also developed epilepsy six months after her second MMR and at first I didn’t listen to my antivaxxer friends that there might be a link. Now I’m not at all sure that there isn’t. She is also a pharma slave on daily meds, though we don’t bother with the keto diet because she needs the meds no matter what. We consider ourselves comparatively lucky, but let me tell you the whole thing was and is a fucking nightmare.
All public health, DEI, and ESG “experts” are regime court eunuchs. They all support the party’s current thing and push it on others.
El Gato Malo, I urge you to read RFK Jr's book The Real Doctor Fauci. He talks about these allegedly "safe vaccines" and how NONE of them have ever had a true safety test.
He discusses how shortly after 1986 when the National Childhood Vaccination Act was passed - when vaccine manufacturers were all cleared of any liability - how autism, chronic illnesses, nut allergies, diabetes and other autoimmune disorders began their meteoric ride.
And unlike Scarf Lady's posturing book, RFK Jr's is all thoroughly documented. Eye opening and infuriating!
it's mostly hygiene hypothesis driving autoimmune, not vaccines.
What reason is there to believe that the immune system when not being challenged would turn on itself rather than, say, lie dormant?
I got to read more on the hygiene hypothesis but having a kid in daycare be sick for 3 years straight doesn't lend itself to the idea their immune system isn't being challenged. hmm any obersvational studies on kids at daycare vs those at home who perhaps would be challenged less?
Yeah, no kidding. All my friends with kids in daycare get sick every couple of weeks.
And how on earth can anyone prove this? I seriously doubt RCTs were performed on this.
A naturally-occurring experiment in fact was studied in the Karelia region of Finland and Russia.
el gato perhaps you wouldnt be so sure about polio if you read this, fraud has been going on for longer than my lifetime:
1824: Metal workers had suffered for centuries from a paralysis similar to polio caused by the lead and arsenic in the metals they were working with. English scientist John Cooke observed: 'The fumes from these metals, or the receptance of them in solution into the stomach, often causes paralysis.'
1890: Lead arsenate pesticide started to be sprayed in the US up to 12 times every summer to kill codling moth on apple crops.
1892: Polio outbreaks began to occur in Vermont, an apple growing region. In his report the Government Inspector Dr. Charles Caverly noted that parents reported that some children fell ill after eating fruit. He stated that 'infantile paralysis usually occurred in families with more than one child, and as no efforts were made at isolation it was very certain it was non-contagious' (with only one child in the family having been struck).
1907: Calcium arsenate comes into use primarily on cotton crops.
1908: In a Massachusetts town with three cotton mills and apple orchards, 69 children suddenly fell ill with infantile paralysis.
1909: The UK bans apple imports from the States because of heavy lead arsenate residues.
1921: Franklin D. Roosevelt develops polio after swimming in Bay of Fundy, New Brunswick. Toxicity of water may have been due to pollution run-off.
1943: DDT is introduced, a neurotoxic pesticide. Over the next several years it comes into widespread use in American households. For example, wall paper impregnated with DDT was placed in children's bedrooms.
1943: A polio epidemic in the UK town of Broadstairs, Kent is linked to a local dairy where cows were washed down with DDT.
1944: Albert Sabin reports that a major cause of sickness and death of American troops based in the Philippines was poliomyelitis. US military camps there were sprayed daily with DDT to kill mosquitoes. Neighboring Philippine settlements were not affected.
1944: NIH reports that DDT damages the same anterior horn cells that are damaged in infantile paralysis.
1946: Gebhaedt shows polio seasonality correlates with fruit harvest.
1949: Endocrinologist Dr Morton Biskind, a practitioner and medical researcher, found that DDT causes 'lesions in the spinal cord similar to human polio.'
1950: US Public Health Industrial Hygiene Medical Director, J.G. Townsend, notes the similarity between parathion poisoning and polio and believes that some polio might be caused by eating fruits or vegetables with parathion residues.
1951: Dr. Biskind treats his polio patients as poisoning victims, removing toxins from food and environment, especially DDT contaminated milk and butter. Dr. Biskind writes: 'Although young animals are more susceptible to the effects of DDT than adults, so far as the available literature is concerned, it does not appear that the effects of such concentrations on infants and children have even been considered.'
1949-1951: Other doctors report they are having success treating polio with anti toxins used to treat poisoning, dimercaprol and ascorbic acid. Example: Dr. F. R. Klenner reported: 'In the poliomyelitis epidemic in North Carolina in 1948 60 cases of this disease came under our care... The treatment was massive doses of vitamin C every two to four hours. Children up to four years received vitamin C injection intramuscularly... All patients were clinically well after 72 hours.'
1950: Dr. Biskind presents evidence to the US Congress that pesticides were the major cause of polio epidemics. He is joined by Dr. Ralph Scobey who reported he found clear evidence of poisoning when analyzing chemical traces in the blood of polio victims.
Comment: This was a no no. The viral causation theory was not something to be questioned. The careers of prominent virologists and health authorities were threatened. Biskind and Scobey's ideas were subjected to ridicule.
1953: Clothes are moth-proofed by washing them in EQ-53, a formula containing DDT.
1953: Dr. Biskind writes: 'It was known by 1945 that DDT was stored in the body fat of mammals and appears in their milk... yet far from admitting a causal relationship between DDT and polio that is so obvious, which in any other field of biology would be instantly accepted, virtually the entire apparatus of communication, lay and scientific alike, has been devoted to denying, concealing, suppressing, distorting and attempts to convert into its opposite this overwhelming evidence. Libel, slander, and economic boycott have not been overlooked in this campaign.'
1954: Legislation recognizing the dangers of persistent pesticides is enacted, and a phase out of DDT in the US accelerates along with a shift of sales of DDT to third world countries.
(Note that DDT is phased out at the same time as widespread polio vaccinations begin. Saying that, polio cases sky rocket only in communities that accept the polio vaccine, as the polio vaccine is laced with heavy metals and other toxins, so the paralysis narrative starts all over again. As the polio vaccines cause huge spikes in polio, the misinformed public demand more polio vaccine and the cycle spirals skyward exponentially)
1956: the American Medical Association mandated that all licensed medical doctors could no longer classify polio as polio. All polio diagnosis would be rejected in favor of Guillian-Barre Syndrome, AFP (acute flaccid paralysis), Bell's Palsy, Cerebral Palsy, ALS, (Lou-Gehrig's Disease), MS, MD etc etc. This sleight of hand was fabricated with the sole intent of giving the public the impression that the polio vaccine was successful at decreasing polio or eradicating polio. The public bought this hook, line and sinker and to this very day, many pro vaccine arguments are ignited by the manufactured lie regarding the polio vaccine eradicating polio.
1962: Rachel Carson's Silent Spring is published.
1968: DDT registration cancelled for the US.
2008: Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP) is still a raging in many parts of the world where pesticide use is high, and DDT is still used. AFP. MS, MD, Bell's Palsy, cerebral palsy, ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease), Guillian-Barre are all catch basket diagnosis, all similar in symtpoms, tied to heavy metal poisoning and high toxic load.
2008: WHO states on its website: 'There is no cure for polio. Its effects are irreversible.'
Conclusion: Modern belief that polio is caused by a virus is an ongoing tragedy for the children of the world. Public funds are wasted on useless and dangerous vaccines when the children could be treated with antitoxins. A call into failing vaccine mythology is warranted, as is a complete investigation of the real agenda being executed against humanity involving science, chemicals, vaccines, the medical field in general, and the government.
I saw a graph of polio incidence overlaid with DDT and other pesticide applications and roll outs. It was one to one.
big thanks for the research
This goes back to the Flexner Report. Allopathic medicine vs homeopathic/osteopathic medicine. Guess which one Rockefeller funded (and why).