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Interestingly, Gov. DeSantis was on the old Rush Limbaugh (Clay & Buck?) show today at 2:05PM EST and made the exact point that the virus has a seasonality to it, and accepted that Florida looks pretty awesome right now in part because of seasonality, and further predicted that the North will probably encounter difficult-to-explain times soon. His multi-prong approach that saw a bursting case rate over summer will pay dividends into the future as Florida's new long-term T-immunes enjoy robust immunity to new variants as the vaxxers everywhere else cause them to arise.

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DeSantis is one of the few politicians that has actually taken serious efforts to understand the virus. Most others seem to be getting 2-3 carefully curated talking points that have to go through a dozen people before they make it way up to them.

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It will be really interesting to see whether northern states start allowing early treatment (HCQ, IVM, aspirin, zinc, D, etc) in the coming months.

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Yea right. LOL. I'm in Soviet Canuckistan and the "College of Pharmacies" has BANNED pharmacies from filling Ivermectin prescriptions!! I have a legit script from a legit doc and can't get it filled. Good thing I got overseas sources.

At least Nebraska has taken a positive step so there might be some hope for your red states but I see nothing but trippling down on stupid in the blue ones. Their solution will be to mandate a THIRD shot (and then a 4th).

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They did that here in the U.S. too in the chain pharmacies. I don't think it's legal for them to refuse to fill prescriptions, but they're going along with the totalitarian agenda.

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It is NOT legal in most states for a pharmacist to refuse to fill a valid prescription. It amounts to the unauthorized practice of medicine. You can put a lot of pressure on rogue pharmacists by making friends with the state pharmacy board and contacting their corporate offices if they are employed by a chain pharmacy.

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Yes in California specifically it's "unprofessional conduct" per the CA Business Code. But the pharma and medical licensing boards are threatening their licenses. It's totally illegal and unfounded in science - the scary letter they've gotten points to *poison control center calls*. Like, we should have banned hand sanitizer on that basis. It actually killed people.

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The CVS pharmacies in Florida stopped carrying ivermection and distributing to patients with RXs for it... Speaking from personal experience...

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There is a compounding pharma there that provides sans script. Someone I know has 2 kids visiting Fl. They walked in & got icer + protocol for selves & parents here in Maine.

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Californika is the same. I'm surprised Florida too, but I guess it's corporate policy.

We don't want people to be getting hold of something that might cure them.

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British Columbia, all cause mortality spiked 10-12% per month since the debut of the second dose at the and of May

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Yes, data please. Bonnie Henry has been secretive and only allows cherry picked data to be publically available. I don’t doubt the rise in numbers, as she has hidden vaxx adverse injuries in the “unvaccinated in hospital”, DESPICABLE AND EVIL! We know of 4 people with various injuries, one with 3months of paralysis recovery, one with meningitis, and two with heart issues. But Bonnie denies, denies, denies!

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The interesting thing about BC is care homes are not considered hospitals. Can hide a lot of hospitalizations that way ;)

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Send me an email. I will send you the file, as I can't post it here. posoukh@yahoo.com.

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You can see this clearly in much of the developed Western world, heres the US: https://www.usmortality.com/excess

I haven’t seen any good Canadian data, sorry. Pretty clear that something is killing more people in statistically significant numbers starting in July/August

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do you have any links, studies, papers showing this? that would be super useful

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yes. As a bc resident, would appreciate the data link. I was searching...but didnt find any links on a cursory search.

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you guys using qwant / duckduckgo(oogle) / yandex.eu ?

cuz fib-gargle-twat will hide relevant stuff

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try Ukraine , Latvia, Lithuania and Romania ---- Ukraine is one of the lowest vax rates, Lithuania one of the higher

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I can't help but wonder whether analyzing the 'covid deaths' thing (or 'covid cases' this) might be an exercise in garbage-in-garbage out. We know the PCR tests are overly sensitive. Did anyone else recall this article from 2007? There are some creepy callouts to we, living in the future. https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html

Yesterday I got curious about vaccine rates and total morbidity and the question "what was the point of all this" that gato asks.

I compared the YoY change in total deaths in each state in the US against % of population fully vaccinated. There's very little relationship. Like, R2 of basically 0 for some age cohorts.

https://imgur.com/a/IjBzD4r

I didn't try to control for seasonality, though. That might be an interesting follow up.

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in terms of saying "this is the absolute number of covid deaths," yes, PCR and testing/definitional standards are an issue.

BUT:

so long as those tests and standards are constant, it does not stop meaningful comparison by past season or among seasonally homogeneous regions.

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That's a big "if."

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But they're not consistent. Cycle count varies from 28 to 40, biased to be more sensitive for unvaccinated.

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It was either Trial Site News or Children's Health Defense that said the cycle discrepancy is a misreading of the FDA order. All PCR tests are now supposed to be 28 cycles. Who knows if that's clear to testing outlets though. I haven't read the order myself.

I remember how opaque the Pfizer jab approval was - turned out it only approves "comirnaty" (sp?) which is not even available, and not the Pfizer-BioNTech shot that's on shelves. Took a team of lawyers to figure THAT language out.

In any event, the change in PCR cycles could make a difference for year to year "case" comparisons. Isn't the false positive rate like 80% at 40 cycles? Falls to single digit for 28, if my memory serves (but it doesn't always).

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I would expect all deaths to tick upwards over the next few years, remember that the Baby Boomers around the world, are the largest generation in human history, and all of them are in retirement now for the most part. It should be expected that death rate starts moving upwards, around the world, as the Baby Boomers pass. The more Machiavellian hypothesis is that governments around the world can't afford the pensions and social spending for this many old people, because they've pissed their money away for decades instead of saving and investing for this moment, and now that they can see the fiscal cliff they're trying to unobtrusively kill grandma and grandpa with this disease so as to not have economic collapse when they can't pay their bills.

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yeah, it's an interesting question. I sometimes wonder whether these test results are even centered around some reality, or if they're just chaos machines :-)

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In a normal world, this article alone would sink the vaccine effort. This is just incredible.

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For another country pair, try Japan and South Korea. Latitude is roughly the same, so is genetic makeup. Japan has struggled with vacciantion due to tainted Moderna vaccines and has gone all in on ivermectin. I haven't seen much on South Korea. But again you have two developed economies with similar genetics and latitude but physically separated. Data should be available, just not sure if its in English.

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I don’t have the data but I know South Korea is more vaccinated than Japan . It’s cult like how conformist they are. Many get jabbed to be able to travel without the quarantine rules and they obediently wear masks even when outdoors alone in the woods .

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both have similar + high vax rates compared to the world

japan has more cases/deaths per capita and more natural immunity

compare portugal and czech republic

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You can't use the I've....tin word

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Latvia, Lithuania - same charts as Israel-Palestine

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both are high vaxx though, so there is no variable to test

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True,

But Latvia lagged considerably in vax, and lagged consistently in mortality,. There is certainly no discernable difference in pattern. In general, the most vulnerable, who must really be only 15% or so of the population, must nearly always be vaxxed early. so what is really remarkable about all these charts is the lack of a rapid early decline after second dose starts going in . Most of those who will potentially die of COVID must be covered in the first 2-3 months of the campaign - if they worked, we should see the number plummet there and stay down. Thanks for your continued persistence with reality - my pub hlth colleagues are mostly in some parallel universe.

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Lithuania (75% vaxed) and Belarus (25%) or Ukraine (15%)

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So, how do we stop them from injecting our kids with this?

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For something 'highly effective' it sure is having a hard time making itself known in the data.

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Also, why use countries? Saskatchewan and Montana might be an interesting pair... a super quick eye check suggests cases have been on similar trajectories before the vaccine, and I am guessing Canada is vaccinating at a higher rate than a red state.

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That's a good point, but would Saskatchewan (~68% of population fully vaccinated) and Montana (~50% apparently) have enough of a difference in their vaccination rates to do a similar comparison as was done for Israel and Palestine?

Though now that I mention that, perhaps he could also look at Israel (a little over 60% of total population fully vaccinated) v Jordan (35%)?

Looking back at subnational units though, perhaps Manitoba (72%) v North Dakota (46%)?

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Yeah those could be interesting. I wonder if selecting border provinces in places like Haiti and DR might be good too. Haiti has an extremely low vaccination rate iirc but not sure how their waves have compared to each other.

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I was looking at cross border state/province stuff awhile back, I’ll check to see if there’s anything there… https://twitter.com/VanVoorheesVII/status/1441115757748752385

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"comparing romania to france is not meaningful at any given time"

I do not disagree with this statement, but it should also be stated that comparing the unvaccinated to the vaccinated is not meaningful anymore either. The characteristics of the two populations has diverged spectacularly in most countries. In my country, the method seems to be: vaccinate those who have a high probability of already having natural immunity, charge for testing and mandate the unvaccinated test 1-3 times a week in order to survive, tell the vaccinated they do not need a test if they are sick (just stay home), do not vaccinate the most likely to die such as cancer patients, and whatever you do, do NOT adjust VE for any confounding variables.

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Bulgaria has the lowest vaccination rate in the EU. Maybe compare it to another small European country?

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Bulgaria went OTC (Over The Counter) with Ivermectin a few months back. That will skew the results.

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They have a terribly high death rate...

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That is very interesting. I haven't seen any reports if there are supply issues like Slovakia had initially or if they pulled a Peru and stopped using it? I love anomalies :)

Looking at ourworldindata they had 2 death peaks from Nov 2020 to May 2021 with a lull in Feb 21. Then it went down until recently when Delta arrived. I'll have to see what the flccc.net folks have for information on it.

Thanks

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I may have missed it, but shouldn't the data be normalized by age group as well? Israel may well have older people than Palestine or vice versa. So we should compare age group vs. age group, rather than population as a whole.

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seems like if that were an issue, we'd have seen it in the past. but we do not. their curves have been all but indistinguishable.

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I think that's JBP's point. If the curves are indistinguishable that means Israel is actually doing better because they have an older population. Israel about 12.5% over 65, Palestine only 2.9% over 65, which is remarkable. You're also right El Gato to point out that they've been pretty consistently tracking each other before and after vaccination. The coming of the vaccine did not result in Israel peeling away - far from it.

By the way, "ethnically/genetically similar" - I'd love to see you drop that one in over dinner in Tel Aviv and/or Ramallah. I'm not saying you're wrong but it could be a tad controversial over there.

You could take a look at Greece and Bulgaria.

Also the 3 Baltic States. Their total vaccination rates are not so low but they have the odd quirk of not vaccinating the majority of the elderly first.

"Currently, only a little more than half (54%) of all seniors in Latvia have been vaccinated against Covid-19. The situation is similar throughout Latvia with even the high takeup centers in Vidzeme only slightly better than the rest of the country."

It might be memories of the old Soviet propaganda making them suspicious but it seems the elderly are quite resistant to the vaccine there.

https://eng.lsm.lv/article/society/society/clear-differences-in-regional-vaccination-take-up-across-latvia.a427638/

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"I think that's JBP's point. If the curves are indistinguishable that means Israel is actually doing better because they have an older population"

i think you're missing the point i was making:

if age was so impactful, why was it not a factor before vaccination?

they were literally identical once you time shift.

and israel is a VERY young country too.

whatever the variance, they performed indistinguishably before vaccines and then indistinguishably after.

so where is the case that vaccines bent the curve at all?

and why did israel see the same all cause mortality as least seasonal spike?

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Yes, that's pretty much what I said. They tracked each other before and after the vaccination. It did not result in Israel pulling away from Palestine.

65+ population

Israel 12.4%

Palestine 2.9%

All other things being equal Israel should have had it worse but they didn't. However, as we've both said that was the case quite consistently before and after Israel's massive vaccine rollout.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/526596/age-structure-in-israel/

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/palestine-population

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One other thing in that region. You'll hear people getting excited about Israeli boosters and how they've pushed down the curve of cases. Take a look at Cyrpus. Massive spike in cases (and a rise in deaths), peaked and crashed with little or no boosters 8 weeks before Israel.

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Not all Jews in Israel are Sephardi. Not sure that comparing Ashkenazi Jews who've spent the last 2,000 years exiled in Europe (later the USA) with middle eastern Arabs shows similar genetics. For instance, even among Israeli Jews there is genetic testing for illnesses done for certain ethnic groups and not others.

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I agree with the above, the curves are traveling together, but would be great to have the age breakdown for completeness.

In the last 15 minutes on this one thread, I think we have spent more time analyzing this issue than the CDC has cumulatively.

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if age were a material factor, why was it not a factor in 2020?

the two were exact mirrors.

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That is by design. If it REALLY ISNT about our health, but something else, why would the CDC need to spend time doing real analysis? If it is not about public health, but something else entirely, NOT DOING REAL ANALYSIS, makes perfect sense, because real analysis destroys the narrative created to support the “something else.” If the truth, derived from real non-manipulated data (like the definition of “fully jabbed”) destroys your narrative, it deserves to be destroyed.

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I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying in theory or really for any other discussion about any other disease with such significant age group risks, but at this point isn't the answer really no?

If there were any statistically significant benefit to the vaccine, shouldn't it have been obvious even without the age group breakdowns?

Those curves are so perfectly matched that it seems like even some level of age group differences falls into the "not actually meaningful" category.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with the point you raise overall.

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it is a good point. the nighbors ARe younger esp Palestine.

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if this was a major driver, why were the curves identical pre vaxx?

israel also has much better healthcare...

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likely you are right BUT you know that would be a fair critique

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Please read article above and Pray to God it is wrong.……Big Pharma’s mRNA SPIKE Protein injections have destroyed our immune systems.

THE WORST CRIME IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND HAS JUS TAKEN PLACE AND NOW BEING PUSHED ON THE CHILDREN……..STOP

SCIENCE HORROR: Vaccine spike protein enters cell nuclei, suppresses DNA repair engine of the human body, will unleash explosion of cancer, immunodeficiency, autoimmune disorders and accelerated aging

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For those that have been injected……………

As the pandemic continues, there is an increasing number of chronic COVID patients and patients post-COVID vaccination with a number of different symptoms. Furthermore, there is increasing number of vaccinated individuals who still end up contracting a COVID infection. This is resulting in a substantial amount of morbidity and mortality around the world. The presence and persistence of the COVID spike protein, along with the chronic colonization of the COVID virus itself in the aerodigestive tract as well as in the lower gut, appear to be major reasons for illness in this group of patients.

Persistent elevation of D-dimer protein in the blood and the presence of rouleaux formation of the RBCs, especially when advanced in degree, appear to be reliable markers of persistent spike protein-related illness. The measures noted above, particular the vitamin C and HP nebulization, should result in the disappearance of the D-dimer in the blood while normalizing the appearance of the RBCs examined with dark field microscopy. Even though new research is taking place daily that may modify therapeutic recommendations, it appears that taking the measures to eliminate D-dimer from the blood and to maintain a consistently normal morphological appearance of the blood is a very practical and efficient way to curtail the ongoing morbidity and mortality secondary to the persistent spike protein presence seen in chronic COVID and in post-COVID vaccination patients.

There are many vaccinated individuals who feel well yet remain cautious about potential future side effects, and who really have no easy access to D-dimer testing or dark field examination of their blood. Such persons can follow a broad-spectrum supplementation regimen featuring vitamin C, magnesium chloride, vitamin D, zinc, and a good multivitamin/multimineral supplement free of iron, copper, and calcium. Periodic but regular HP nebulization should be included as well. This regimen will offer good spike protein protection while optimizing long-term health. Furthermore, such a long-term supplementation regimen is advisable regardless of how much of the protocol discussed above is followed.

(OMNS Contributing Editor Dr. Thomas E. Levy is board certified in internal medicine and cardiology. He is also an attorney, admitted to the bar in Colorado and in the District of Columbia. The views presented in this article are the author's and not necessarily those of all members of the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service Editorial Review Board.)

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v17n24.shtml

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Part of me wants that to be true, because of all the sanctimoniousness we've been subjected to; but the humane part of me, and the part of me with friends and coworkers who took it to be good people, hopes it isn't.

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As far as I can tell this also applies to the spike protein on the actual virus as well.

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The immune system is introduced to the entire virus at the nose / eyes / mouth. 80% don't experience it past that point thanks to innate immunity...

The vaccine *requires* replication within the body to do its thing.

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This ^^^^^ :)

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Yes but it is a quantity issue. If you get sick with covid-19 you get exposed to hundreds of thousands to perhaps tens of millions. Pfizer will get your body to produce 13 billion, Moderna a bit more and AZ/Jansen is 50 billion. As Dr Zelenko says that is like killing a fly on a glass table with a hammer.

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IN the interview I read, here: http://enformtk.u-aizu.ac.jp/howard/gcep_dr_vanessa_schmidt_krueger/ the researcher mentions the Pfizer vaccine has triple the required dose per injection ffs. Quantity over quality.

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This ^^^^^^ :)

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Yes, but typically one gets much lower free spike protein with an actual infection. Many people clear it quickly (or are even asymptomatic, with negative PCR tests).

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The difference maybe is when our normal immune system fighting it off as an infection in the lungs, compared to protein spikes be injected directly into our blood stream and bypassing our immune system normal way it protects.

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I came across this analysis: https://market-ticker.org/post=244109

which is a further analysis of this: https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/31/100-percent-of-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-caused-by-just-5-percent-of-the-batches-produced/

This article claims to have discovered significant correlations between specific vaccine lot numbers and adverse events in VAERS.

WHAT DO EL GATO MALO AND OTHERS THINK OF THIS?

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Problematic. Not saying there's no there there, but tracking by lot number means that many of the vaccines will go to many of the same places. Unfortunately, the data for adverse events is biased at collection. Some places are rigorous in tracking adverse events, others are blatantly ignoring all adverse events. This could either say that there is some serious production line problems or it may provide insight into where adverse events are being poorly tracked/not tracked at all.

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I saw that too (via Mark Crispen Miller) and thought, if true, it points to a manufacturing issue and tends to exonerate the "pure" shots. Or possibly certain lots went to shot-givers who don't aspirate before injection, so in about 15% of recipients, the jab glob ends up in the blood instead of in the muscle.

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1000%! I co-authored a journal article (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/rmv.2241) on respiratory virus seasonality in May, in which we suggest that respiratory viruses are seasonal largely not because of crowding/humidity/vitD (they do have a role, just not main), but because of temperature shifts, down to the individual level. I’ve been trying to get anyone (especially journalists and other scientists) to talk about the idea that you can’t have a rational discussion about COVID or any other respiratory virus if you aren’t taking seasonality into account. Our vaccines were tested during the summer (not COVID season for most of the world), and we still haven’t gone through a full winter in Europe/North America with a significant portion of the population vaccinated. How do you properly test a vaccine for a efficacy against disease that isn’t prevalent (in season)??? Sadly, our leaders and scientists either seem to have the wrong ideas about what probably causes seasonality, or think that COVID isn’t yet a seasonal virus, or both. This will be a costly mistake this winter.

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