My friends thought I was the crazy one too. I told them that booster after booster would become mandatory after the vaccines showed a high failure rate. Unless you are on Substack you will find the truth hard to find. Thanks to malogato and Alex B the truth gets out. One of the great philosophers Plato or Socrates said you can’t reason with someone that won’t listen to reason. That’s where we are right now.
I agree with what you're saying: I tried to warn loved ones and friends that boosters were coming but they didn't want to listen. I did everything I could to let them know they were being conned (without ever actually saying "you've been conned!'). I had to let go of the frustration because it started to become toxic in my life.
I now just hope and pray they will be alright (although we know 5 people who've had serious reactions to the damn jab).
It really is as Joe Rogan described it. It's the first time a group of well educated and well off portion of the population rushed to get an experimental vaccine. And now that they don't want to think about how that has possibly put them at risk, they want to force the rest of us to take it. Like a punishment. I'm personally most impressed with those that got the jabs and now, by doing their own research, have decided it probably wasn't a good move. That's real intelligence- the ability to still analyze risk/reward objectively after you've already exposed yourself to the risk.
Totally agree with Charlotte. I've got an older friend who got the two jabs and since then, has had open mind to keep up with the research/findings, even if suppressed by lamestream media. He has decided to not get any more shots.
It'll be interesting to see how many of them actually have the moral fiber to hold strong vs how many will roll up their sleeves again the minute they were inconvenienced, such as the ones who said they were "forced" because they "might want to travel again".
I had a coworker say this yesterday. She was getting her 10-year-old son vaxxed because she wanted to travel. Ugh.
Unfortunately this argument works well - particularly on the upper middle class who just loves to travel. The working classes don't have as much money to travel and are also more apt to say "this is BS, i'm not doing it."
And the mandates for colleges. Many are refusing religious exemptions (including the entire state of CT, which quite miraculously banned religious exemptions for vaccines last summer...just coincidental I'm sure).
My 19 year old son was able to get a religious exemption from his state university in Illinois. He wrestles- he believes that he and two other students on his team requested either a religious or medical exemption that were granted. At least for now. He believes that all other wrestlers have been vaxx'd. An athletic trainer told him that he believes the university will deny any religious exemptions next semester (said the AD was working on it). If you've ever looked at any wrestlers, you know that most (aside from some heavyweights) are in phenomenal shape (strength, cardio, etc) and are at very low risk. He cannot do another year online though should they ban him from in-person classes-way too isolating and he just does not get much out of it.
That's when I gently remind them, that under the NWO, plebs' travel credits will be severely restricted, and subject to good behaviour. Just one "Let's go Brandon" meme could potentially wipe out their travel for two years.
Good grief. Can she not spare a single thought about her son? What is one more trip? What is so terribly important to go see that you feel it necessary to inject your flesh and blood with something we have no idea how it will affect them in the short, medium or long term?
Scott Adams had an interesting podcast a few weeks ago about why most of the insistence on travelling is coming from women. Basically, status signaling to other women.
I suspect that many who took the first full dose, presumably out of trust, now do feel let down, as just noted, because of the far less than promised efficacy of the jab. No need to mention the steadily mounting reports of dire side effects, albeit they are largely swept under the rug. But I hazard that many of these who previously had faith in the system will be pissed off royally when they are required to take boosters or be newly labelled "unvaxxed." I don't know, but I'd bet this is already the case in some nations, and surely coming to an authoritarian country near you. This won't immediately increase "freedom," but it WILL awaken more to the unending lies and dirty tricks of the vaxx-pushers.
I'm feeling positive because I'm gradually enlightening my brother. He's reading things I send him now, and has just admitted that allowing natural herd immunity rather than a rush to unproven "vaccines" might have been a better approach. This is a gigantic admission for him! At least he's not automatically dismissing everything I say as he was before. He, his wife and his daughter & her husband all got vaxxed like the good little lefties they all are, but suddenly they seem determined to to keep the 6 year old grandkids away from the vax. At least they now see that particular danger, so I consider this progress.
I just found out today that a distant cousin of mine told his wonderful parents he would not permit them to see their grandkids if they didn’t get vaccinated. So they did. They didn’t want to buy they love their grandkids.
I have heard of so many young parents that did that - weaponize their kids against their elderly parents. Personally I believe there is a level in hell reserved for them. I don’t know how people like that come back from what they have done.
Especially when the government at first said "this is 95% effective!" and now they're like, "lol, sorry, they don't work very well so you have to get a shot every six months."
- the vaccine failure is obvious. They do not work and the adverse events are a lot.
- they decide to stop tha campaign (it is hypothetical, will not happen).
- I think that some people will still say that the unvaxxed should get the jab: “we took the risk for them, it is not fair that they are healthier than us”.
Thanks. I'm one that got the jab (Pfizer) but wouldn't do it again if I had the decision to make today.
I listened to that Rogan episode. I think there's something to what he says. But, I don't share the inherent optimism in the substack thread to which these comments are appended. I run a large company. We're required to ask the vaccination status of all of our thousands of employees. (Their response can be 'Decline to state.')
While there is still a significant minority in the unvaccinated or decline to state category, that number dwindles every day. Our customers have put great pressure on our business and our employees to get vaccinated. At present, they require that our employees consent to disclosing their vaccination status in order to be assigned to the clients' premises. Soon, they will require testing: Weekly for the vaccinated; daily for the unvaxxed or decline to state.
As a business and employer, we have limited ability to push back. We did this with a mid-sized client about six months ago -- threatened to terminate their contract and they backed off their requirement that everyone assigned to their facility must be vaccinated. It was a gamble. If it had come to contract termination, then about 70 people would have been out of work. But now, the customers imposing these requirements are much larger. Resistance could mean thousands out of work. I'm sure many here would advise to stand firm and draw a line. But, is that fair to the vaxxed? Is that fair to the unvaxxed who would rather keep their job even if it means daily testing? No easy answers and, as yet, I do not see light at the end of the tunnel.
I'm not certain about this, but I suspect in coming years there will be a land-office business in lawsuits against employers and other entities that mandated the jabs. Perhaps there is other law they can hide behind, but I'm quite sure the PREP Act of 2005 (that gives much of the emergency immunity) doesn't apply. Where are the lawyers? Where are the suits? We know they're a bunch of unprincipled scum only interested in money...but that's just the point! 🤑
Yeah, I thought of that. That was the first gambit six months ago when the company I mentioned in the original comment demanded that we assign only the vaccinated to their account. Our initial position: 'Indemnify us and we'll do it.' They wouldn't budge, so the next gambit was to threaten to terminate the contract.
Wait until the first employee charges whoever wrote them the termination letter with assault. Yes, a criminal charge brought forth and prosecuted. I too was surprised at the scope of the charge, not being in the justice business. I would be worried if I was an employer intimidating workers.
The parallels between this and Gen X-ers that bought minivans is stunning. Instead of just admitting their mistake, they try and convince all their friends to buy one too.
I love my minivan. It has the room of an SUV but drives like a car. It may not be cool, but it gets the job done. And, no, I haven't gotten the jabs...but many of my SUV driving relatives have. You might want to rethink your theory.
hear hear.. i love my minivan too, it's great for hauling schtuff like camp gear, snowboard gear, and lots of people. And I also am gen x and did not get the jab. chubox is in left field on this one IMO
I'm an old millennial, just got a minivan, it's a game changer with small kids. My preschooler can climb in by herself! sliding doors! There's a reason our church (average 4 kids per young family) parking lot is full of them
That's a fair question from someone in Europe. The minivan is more an example of a car that is quite practical, but decidedly uncool/not attractive. If you have confidence, you drive whatever you want/need, but there was a trend where the minivan was supposed to be the very best for everyone, but it clearly isn't. It's just indicative of how trends aren't real purveyors of taste or good decisions.
I remember exactly where I was when it really and truly dawned on me that, "I'm now a minivan owner." Driving down Pembroke Street in Pembroke, New Hampshire, taking my kids to school.
It was a pandemic of hubris. Those showing wisdom waited, those showing humility got the shot and then realised it wasn't necessarily the best move. Those that are stepping up for the boosters are either fanatics or without critical thought. To be fair, for those that are just acting, without thinking, society has set it up to be that way, so calling them sheep or idiots is particularly unfair.
It's the fanatics that I worry about. They are the ones that will burn their house down, rather than admit they were perhaps wrong.
What I wanted to know back then was what Iraq had to do with Al Qaeda other than both having a "q" in their name? Everyone told me to shut up back then...back when I warned that in 20 years, they would want to bring the "war on terror" home...and here we are.
The reason for some being most impressed by people who changed their mind after vaccination is the very act of revision. It’s incredibly hard to do, mentally. There’s a huge social price, as well.
Sure, it’s arguable that the smartest on some dimension realised it was a scam early on.
But I understand the argument (I think) if the judgement was how hard it is to switch horses midstream.
By the way, I would like us to be generous of spirit to the view changers, because they’re the ultimate counterweight which will cause this house of cards to collapse.
Against my better judgement I got the Janssen vaccine at the end of August. I live in France where the passe sanitaire has made life for the unvaccinated much more difficult and I had to go into hospital for a hip replacement operation. Astra Zeneca had already been discontinued here and I hoped the Janssen would be less toxic than the mRNA pair. Also it was only one jab .6 weeks later I got a letter from the health authorities basically saying the Janssen was duff and I needed to roll up my sleeve for a Pfizer booster asap. I am desperately hoping that maybe the Janssen vaccine was also duff in the matter of long term side effects too! I had no immediate side effects not even a sore arm but since have had a worrying increase in my platelet count. Needless to say I will not be getting a booster and as a result will lose my passe sanitaire in mid Dec. Pfizer is now the only vaccine being offered here in France. No doubt they are contributing bigtime to Jupiter's reelection campaign
I too had waited for the Johnson vaxx but noticed it had the same ingredient I am not comfy with, so refused. Now I am clean and hope to stay so. I hope you stay well. Keep away from these needles !
I have tried to remember when I started to doubt. I remember that at the very beginning I was eager for a vaccine. I guess that the combination of the new untested technology and the super quick tests made me start thinking.
I was never eager for a vaccine personally as I had covid very early on, but I was eager for others to get it if they felt they needed it. I didn't really start doubting the whole vaccine narrative until it started to become a condition for participation in society, which was well before the rollout and only got worse. And when the CDC came out and said natural immunity was inferior, well the bomb finally burst. Trust in anyone other than myself is shot.
Yes, of course! With a new technology that has never worked, for a kind of virus for which no vaccine exists (coronavirus) and developed in months for a virus that is new!!! If you have doubts you must be stupid!
Ding ding ding! But when my recently recovered sister in law received a vaccine because she was in health care before my older at risk in laws, I knew that was a sham.
The whole vaccine charade just never passed the sniff test for me. The magic vax came out way too quickly and with a bit too much fanfare, the whole thing didn't smell right from the beginning. The more I watched, the more I read about it, the worse it smelled, and now it's all rotting and rancid. Admittedly I'm a naturally suspicious person and don't easily buy into things just because some "authority" tells me to do so. After all, my teen years were in the 1960s....never trust anyone over 30 and all that. But natural skepticism has always served me well in the end.
I work from home. (because I refuse to get jabbed.) Ergo, I don't have any water cooler conversations with coworkers anymore and can't dissuade them from getting the jab or at least give another point of view. I suspect the same is true in many other workplaces and hence many vax enthusiasts never encounter a different point of view.
And how do I know that you are not on the pro vax pro liberal side and just trying to stir up division and hatred between "us and them"? Do you see my difficulty here?
Agreed but if we're going to survive this, we need to invite those in who didn't see it the first time around but are now big enough to admit they were wrong.
Yep. The most important demographic is actually the one that was fooled the first time, got the jab, and are now like: WTF? This doesn't work any better than a flu shot?
You don't even have to convince them that the shot may be dangerous. Just talk to them about how the government is incompetent / lied to them about the shot being 95% effective but now they're supposed to get a booster every 6 months. Many (most) of them are probably super pissed by now that the government wants them to get an ineffective jab every 6 months.
There's a book right in there. How many of them even as they quote the figure know what '95% effective' is supposed to mean?
How many of them realise they're already at 95% 'proof' against the virus?
How many of them know Pfizer (for instance) offered (it claimed) 99.96% 'proof' against the virus as against your existing 99.86% 'proof'?
i.e. they're lining up for a 0.1% increase in their 'safety', their 'proof against the virus', the 'size of their shield'.
How many of them have even the faintest idea of that?
How many of them have the faintest idea of the cost they themselves, their nation, their compatriots, the very democracy they're supposed to live in and the people all around the world effected by their actions have paid for this '0.1%' increase in the size of their 'shields'?
The faintest idea?
And part of the cost was to take into their bodies a risk factor of its own with potentialities as yet unknown - how many have the faintest idea of that?
Lastly:
My idea nowadays is we should refuse to talk 'vaccine'. The real factor here is 'Immune system'. we should always couch the debate in terms of the 'immune system'.
i.e. 'why provoke the immune system with an unknown quantity that poorly imitates the real threat and therefore cannot initiate a full response?
or 'why refuse to allow the immune system the things it needs to strengthen itself? Like sunshine, fresh air, freedom of movement, exercise, company of friends and relatives, etc. etc, etc... ALL the things the govt bans ?
or: 'why refuse to help the immune system by providing potent anti-virals, chemicals that actually DO fight viruses rather than surreptitiously
attack your system while depending upon your system to do the fighting alone ?'
or: 'why keep prodding and prodding an exhausted immune system obviously incapable of responding adequately and probably due to an inappropriate prodding in the first place accompanied by a total lack of support in the second place?'
That sort of thing. It really is the issue, is it not? Our immune systems is where the 'war' takes place. That is where/what it is all about.
We are so hoodwinked, along with everyone else, by the spurious narrative of brain dead politicians and mercenary drug lords we've fallen into the trap of discussing vaccines.
I've put it this way. It is like the fire bell at the fire station that startles the firemen into action and the Firemen themselves, the Fire brigade.
The firebell is the vaccines. The Firebrigade is the Immune system.
All the discussion and wasted effort is going into the bloody Firebell, the 'alarm bell'.
No discussion, no help, no effort, no understanding going to the Firebrigade.
Yes, I agree about shifting the focus from the jabs to the immune system. Especially now that winter is here in the Northern Hemisphere. I just got the first newsletter from Dr. Robert Malone's website and he was pushing Vit D at the end of it. Yes! Go sign up for it if you've not already. Steve Kirsch published "The Malone Doctrine" on his Substack, but it was in this email from Malone as well.
Well, we also know that experience, knowledge, and facts, are overruled by POWER.
And people wonder why we refuse to get jabbed? That we are making sacrifices, loss of jobs, loss of foreign travel, loss of privileges in our own country? We now live as sub-human citizens in our own country because we are not mindless sheep believing that all government is good and never to be questioned.
We are criminals, yet have committed no crime.
Modern society doesn’t want critical thinkers, they want compliant obedient sheeple.
Yes! That surprises me the most. Very intelligent people waiting in line for a vaccine for a diseases that poses almost no risk to them… And bringing their kids!
I don't wanna be that person, but Laura Ingraham has been giving airtime on national tv to Malone, Kirsch, Jay Bhattacharya, Byram Bridle, Peter McCullough, Harvey Risch, Pierre Kory and Sucharit Bhakdi (on podcast) since early 2020. She was also a very early mention of Hydroxychloroquine and, later, Ivermectin.
Yes....the goal here should be making the truth and actual knowledge available to those who have been misled, lied to and brainwashed by the mainstream media and others involved in this whole thing.
I have no good solutions to government missteps, but I have an easy "West Virginia" (workaround) solution to editing. Select and copy the entire message you want to edit. Then delete it. (If you're paranoid, you can paste it into a word processor window for safekeeping.) Then just "reply" to the message you previously replied to, paste your text into the new window, and edit whatever it was you f****d up the first time. 😉
There **is** an edit feature: Read your words before you hit post!
It's shocking to me that people put up blanket excuses for the autocorrect weirdisms that show up in their mobile writings, rather than review what they've written first.
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If I may kindly point out, I often times wish there was an edit feature too, as I DO read my words before hitting post, oftentimes two, three, four times!!...and I'll STILL make a boo boo, or wish I would have phrased something differently.
When sharing in the online universe, where the personal details behind each post are for the most part unknown, great and kind consideration should be given to all, especially before passing judgement and calling someone out. You never know if the person being called out might have sayyy... a disability of some sort for example.
Guess what I'm saying is, my experience in the 'Substack' communities thus far has pleasantly been being part of a group fULL of positive and wonderfully kind individuals, just wanting to help and learn from one another, and feel united, while the rest of the world is being overtaken by evil tyranny... a complEtely different environment than Twitter, Facebook, etc...
These communities are by far 'my safe place' in this horrific mess we're all living through.
Some quotes showing that this technology isn't safe for ongoing dosing:
Delivery — actually getting RNA into cells — has long bedeviled the whole field. On their own, RNA molecules have a hard time reaching their targets.They work better if they’re wrapped up in a delivery mechanism, such as nanoparticles made of lipids. But those nanoparticles can lead to dangerous side effects, especially if a patient has to take repeated doses over months or years.
Moderna’s most advanced competitors, CureVac and BioNTech, have acknowledged the same challenge with mRNA. Each is principally focused on vaccines for infectious disease and cancer, which the companies believe can be attacked with just a few doses of mRNA.
“I would say that mRNA is better suited for diseases where treatment for short duration is sufficiently curative, so the toxicities caused by delivery materials are less likely to occur,” said Katalin Karikó, a pioneer in the field who serves as a vice president at BioNTech.
Had a thought this morning. How's this for a plot twist?
What if this was all conjured up not by evil totalitarians, but by an evil libertarian mastermind. He's convinced all the mindless leftists in the world to jab themselves with poison, leaving only the John Galts. He forced every government employee and every radical left wing governor as well.
Aren't attorneys all in the club? The club we ain't in (quoting George Carlin)... all working against us... some pretending to fight for us but in the end, nothing ever changes? We are now 606 days into this B.S. with no end in sight.
That is a decidedly defeatist view. Here's a change that some attorneys have actually fought for, and so far it's looking pretty good:
The Fifth Circuit in Texas reviewed the Biden Reply brief and entered a FULL INJUNCTION against the illegal and unconstitutional OSHA Mandate, saying the agency may “take no steps to implement or enforce the Mandate until further court order.”
First, the Court noted the obvious fact that “For obvious reasons, the Mandate affects every person in America in one way or another.”
Then, it explained how horrible and devastating the OSHA policy is:
“The Mandate imposes a financial burden upon [businesses] by deputizing their participation in OSHA’s regulatory scheme, exposes them to severe financial risk if they refuse or fail to comply, and threatens to decimate their workforces (and business prospects) by forcing unwilling employees to take their shots, take their tests, or hit the road.”
Then, the Fifth Circuit said OSHA had no business getting involved in people’s personal health decisions:
“[OSHA] was not—and likely COULD not be, under the Commerce Clause and nondelegation doctrine—intended to authorize a workplace safety administration in the deep recesses of the federal bureaucracy to make sweeping pronouncements on matters of public health affecting every member of society in the profoundest of ways.“
Barbls - very patient of you with Markus. I can't believe he writes his own newsletter but couldn't even be bothered to check out coffee and covid before being rude about some actual positive results.
The 4th Circuit injunction is a positive sign. However, it only applies in their district. How it proceeds from here will be interesting to watch. As I understand the law, the OSHA "regulation" still applies to the rest of the nation. But I do agree, and hope, that this is but one of many legal challenges to the Biden Regency's illegal arrogation of power.
Are you talking about the 4th Circuit? Or 5th Circuit? I find it curious that the federal Circuit injunction would only apply to their district. It seems that circuit court injunctions against actions of the previous administration applied everywhere across the nation.
Obviously the current administration will fight this. Hope they exhaust themselves before they exhaust the rest of us.
Not all of them. The profession, by nature, attracts more than its share of Little Eichmanns. But that makes it all the more important to recognize and support those who aren't.
Praying that you are correct, you bad, wise cat. In any case, I thought that the meme of Stalin doing the cute heart thingy with his hands should be the new logo for the White House.
I still don't know what "fully vaccinated" means. Fully vaccinated according to the current CDC schedule? You got your Cutter polio and 1976 swine flu vaccine? You sure?
I ask many that I know that gave in willingly how many shots they are willing to take. I don’t generally get an answer. They all figured do it once for the team then move on with life. We won’t take any in our house and I’m willing to lose my job for it if need be. Of course, we also had the plague. I have a strange health history that makes me very concerned about taking it. The infection part of covid wasn’t horrible to me. I don’t need any more spikes, thanks. None of the public realizes all of the people that were excluded from the very short trial. I’m one of them: survivor with multiple morbidities. If you didn’t trial it on people like me, I see no sense in taking it. Oh, and where is that US seroprevalence survey? None? No effort to do one? Why not? I’m also having a hard time keeping up with the CDC propaganda. Does anybody have a link to that time in the past before mandates when they said that survivors only needed one shot (not that that conclusion was science based)? I can’t find that page anymore and I know that it existed and was changed when the mandates started in September.
My parents are late 80s. They and their friends all took the first shots. They aren’t taking anymore. Try telling somebody that age that those first shots didn’t do the job and that they need more. Doesn’t work so well.
Here is a link to the US states and the rate of projected natural immunity (from early September). I've been using it to get a better idea of which states will be hit hardest (high vaccination, low natural immunity). On another substack page, Eugyppius was guesstimating that Germany is only at 29% natural immunity. Looks like a rough winter for them.
The CDC has admitted it has no record of an unvaccinated person spreading COVID after having previously recovered from the virus. A New York attorney filed a FOIA request in September asking for “documents reflecting any documented case of an individual who (1) never received a Covid-19 vaccine; (2) was infected with Covid-19 once, recovered, and then later became infected again; and (3) transmitted SARS CoV-2 to another person when reinfected.”
The CDC responded: “A search of our records failed to reveal any documents pertaining to your request. The CDC Emergency Operation Center (EOC) conveyed that this information is not collected.”
After half a dozen mass extinction events then one more came along, this time decimating intelligence, not life.
And as in every mass extinction it will be up to a tiny minority, as mammals after dinossaurs, to repopulate the planet, this time around with intelligence.
I have to admit that I took the jab naively believing that things then could go back to normal and I would be able to travel. I did research at the time, but not a lot was coming out about the negative effects of the jab (at least readily available) I regret taking it. Thankfully, nothing bad so far has happened to me and I will not under any circumstances take a “booster”! Many people feel the same. I’ve stocked up on Ivermectin and HCQ and I’m ready for the China Virus when it hits me...as it is bound to do...I hope el gato malo is right and most people will see through the fact that we’ve been completely fooled by the elites!
Paula, you are not alone. Many of my well educated Healthcare Professional friends did the same. They heard the "safe and effective" narrative and just wanted to get back to their normal lives! Totally understandable. I am glad you haven't had any quantifiable AE yet. thank you for being honest enough to share with this group, but you have a powerful voice to share with others who are all-in for the boosters. You can have a positive impact in helping them understand the danger of endlessly taking the shots, in a profound way that those who aren't vaxxed could not. (sorry, that sentence just sounds wrong, but I hope you get my meaning). Best of health to you in future.
How, exactly? Because I feel like we keep saying that every time they double down, and then say it the following week when they double down on that one.
So, what does "crashing down" look like, and how does it differ from what's happening now?
people are rebelling, belief is gone, non compliance is rising, states are asserting sovereignty, and people are facing down governments, schools, and employers.
this whole shame has gotten to big too hide and to intolerable to live with.
watch what happens when hospitals fail because 20% of the staff was fired and businesses grind to a halt because the workers won't come in. watch as police and fire departments go short staffed.
it happens because we go make it happen and because enough people can see it for what it is now.
black pill whining never won anyone anything.
it baffles me how committed to it so many seem to be.
Go about a third of the way down: https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/-coffee-and-covid-saturday-november-4af The section starts with The Fifth Circuit in Texas reviewed the Biden Reply brief and entered a FULL INJUNCTION against the illegal and unconstitutional OSHA Mandate, saying the agency may “take no steps to implement or enforce the Mandate until further court order.”
The court says that the mandate is "fatally flawed" and likely unconstitutional. Never say never until the Supreme Court has had its say but this is indeed a good sign! And the January 4th deadline is a dead letter because "OSHA [may] take no steps to implement or enforce the Mandate until further court order".
I have the same question. That one is a biggie. Here is what the Covid and Coffee post says, and in it is included mention of CDC. --
Then, the Fifth Circuit said OSHA had no business getting involved in people’s personal health decisions:
“[OSHA] was not—and likely COULD not be, under the Commerce Clause and nondelegation doctrine—intended to authorize a workplace safety administration in the deep recesses of the federal bureaucracy to make sweeping pronouncements on matters of public health affecting every member of society in the profoundest of ways.“
The Court’s reference to the non-delegation doctrine is huge. That’s the Supreme Court law that says Congress can’t just delegate its lawmaking powers to executive agencies like OSHA or even the CDC, for that matter. I’ve been talking about that doctrine here on C&C for a long time. So the Fifth Circuit is saying, this is WAY too big for an executive agency to just regurgitate a slime-coated rule and that’s that.
Just like we need to “follow the $cience” I think we need to examine the “Climate Cri$i$” Note there are even more dollar signs in the latter…..🙄 (sarcasm font)
I've known it was a lie from Day 1, 20 months ago. People dismissed my view "b/c you (I) think you're smarter than the guys on TV" and "you (I) don't have an MD."
I heard that many times. SMH.
I'm way smarter than any anchorman. And I know a lot of non-medical science.
In Spain most of the people still believes I guess. The fall-winter wave is just starting, let us see what happens but people in the media blame the few unvaccinated. But if this winter is worse than the previous one with the super-high rates of vaccination and people still believe, I do not know, I will start thinking that the vaccine stops your brain or something
Shame. I'm from Galicia and always thought of it as my run away destination. No more. I believe our only hope to stop this madness is in the U.S. The pawns will follow.
Whatever the State gives you, the State will be willing to take away from you. Including your right to earn a living and free mobility. Be well, my friends. Stay strong.
I read about Latvia not letting unvaccinated legislators partake in votes, I have a question- what's the level of informality in the country? Are black markets a thing? Because I've been thinking for the longest time that my country hasn't slippery sloped into this madness so far because our economy is 80% informal, which means the Government cannot control that. At the moment, they can't even issue new IDs for those that expired in 2020.
I would not say that black markets are a big thing. You have always had a chance to buy cheap spirits or cheap, super low-quality cigarettes.
I would say that the level of informality is super, super low in Latvia. They're even cracking down on giving bribes to cops on the road for speeding. I've given bribes a bunch of times, but I'd probably not risk it anymore.
Think about all the lefties. Their policies fail again and again. Yet, they remain adamant.
Think of the people who go on voting, even though it’s all rotten.
These people will just forget about whatever that needs to be forgotten to hold on to their illusions about their “reality” where someone is taking care of them. They walk around with their umbilical cords looking for where to plug them in.
You think that people are rational beings, but they’re not.
But they painted themselves into a corner with the logic. If it's the pandemic of the unvaxxed, how can they push boosters if the vax works...I'm figuring they will go into lockdown again soon. It's the only thing they know how to do well, Germany especially. January will be their worst month. The Netherlands already has protests because they did a partial lockdown again. The lockdowns are stopping natural immunity from progressing and prolonging the "pandemic".
Logic does not matter. The people who blindly follow these edicts do not think for themselves. I’m not being mean. They value authority. They outsource their thinking to authority.
Logic, facts or data does not solve this.
I do not know what does. It’s been like this forever, only now you see it right in front of you.
Only repeated deaths on the court/field/pitch will convince. And only if the death happens quickly after a booster shot. (At first, any such on-field deaths will be blamed on covid and will become an excuse to "GET MORE BOOSTERS!!!!")
That has been one of my favorite (and logical argument) memes: "Why do they need to vaccinate the unvaccinated to protect the previously vaccinated against the virus that the vaccines are supposed to protect against?" I like the analogy about you risk getting wet if I don't use my own umbrella. 😜
I actually do agree with your analysis- it will take multiple famous people before the lemmings stop flinging their bodies with great force off of the cliff tops. Just remember how many people watched the Kardashians and thought that was cool.
I expect -- not happily -- that we will soon get more and more instances of famous people with odd, severe health problems. These may not be sudden deaths, of course. From some articles here and similar places, I'd guess the incidence of deaths or severe illness from the jabs is probably in the 1 in 10,000 range. Whether this is "very rare," as governments explain it away, I would dispute, but it's certainly much worse than traditional vaccine's literally one in a million toxic reactions. Anyway, my point would be that while 1:10,000 is quite rare, there is a bigger universe of famous people than you'd at first think. Consider athletes alone: The NFL has about 1,600 players. The NBA 450. But there are many more pro and minor league teams too. College ball will add thousands more. And that doesn't even include local but unfamous players down to high school teams. If exertion is a risk factor, alas, the casualties will mount, and the media will be hard-pressed to hide it. Now add to that the other famous people.
Like Celine Dion? Not my cup of tea, and she's been pretty wacky for a number of years, but she's had to postpone/cancel her tour......for mysterious reasons.....
I think the fight will be harder and longer than we anticipate, but we cannot lose hope.
I recommend this article by eugyppius. Turns out, boosters are a hard sell when you keep claiming a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Too many people seem incapable of rational thinking...but every failure, every change of narrative will shake the sleepers from their slumber. We keep fighting, informing. We have no other choice.
My wife and 3 adult daughters have gotten the vax(one against her will so she could attend college). They’re all saying no to the booster. So there is hope people will have had enough. I think moving into a 3rd year of this ridiculousness will reinforce those sentiments…I hope.
It's all falling apart so fast now that the PR offices and talking heads on TV can't keep up. Consider the tragic tale of UC Berkeley's football program
44 Players test positive, games postponed, senior years ‘ruined’, what's this … 99% vaccinated? No that does not make sense … oh I see, the players weren't following “protocols”, that explains it. Not sure if any of the players were actually ill during this period.
Then you have countries the the Netherlands and Germany having a very fine start to their Winter epidemics, looks to be true record setting winters! (Merkel bleating about getting injected, cause that will help for sure …. btw, why is Merkel still Chancellor, didn't she announce her retirement ages ago?)
Then we have the 5th Circuit court stay of Brandon's mandate. The court seems to have noticed that this “emergency” is curious, since most people are handling their head colds just fine, and only people not working cause they are too old or terminally sick are vulnerable (as they are to all infections).
At this rate, there won't be much left of this mania by January, when everyone except the most ardent cultists (aka, academics) will see the program has failed and will be ready to move on (to the elections where team blue will get decimated).
I don't think the exit will be that quick. Look for lockdowns of the unvaccinated throughout Europe-Austria already declared it, France is very passport-driven, Germany loves lockdowns. I expect Newsom to do it here in Calif, work only, nothing else, for those of us who have not muddled our DNA.
While I'm not familiar with the details of the case, I think ("hope" is more accurate) that the 5th Circuit noted a core issue with the Biden and OSHA regulations: the government has absolutely no statutory authority to order private businesses to do such things.
My friends thought I was the crazy one too. I told them that booster after booster would become mandatory after the vaccines showed a high failure rate. Unless you are on Substack you will find the truth hard to find. Thanks to malogato and Alex B the truth gets out. One of the great philosophers Plato or Socrates said you can’t reason with someone that won’t listen to reason. That’s where we are right now.
And more contemporaneously, Thomas Sowell observed that "you can't reason someone out of a position he didn't reason himself into."
Nice. I love Sowell.
I agree with what you're saying: I tried to warn loved ones and friends that boosters were coming but they didn't want to listen. I did everything I could to let them know they were being conned (without ever actually saying "you've been conned!'). I had to let go of the frustration because it started to become toxic in my life.
I now just hope and pray they will be alright (although we know 5 people who've had serious reactions to the damn jab).
You are not correct...Odysee, Tucker Carlson, Rokfin, rumble...all are free and open to Mr bad cat...
Or Joe Rogan would gladly host the Mr cat
THAT is a show i would gladly go on. i don't always agree with joe, but I will always agree that he is awesome.
That would be AMAZING to get your message out there. Any suggestions on how we can help make this happen?
YES
It really is as Joe Rogan described it. It's the first time a group of well educated and well off portion of the population rushed to get an experimental vaccine. And now that they don't want to think about how that has possibly put them at risk, they want to force the rest of us to take it. Like a punishment. I'm personally most impressed with those that got the jabs and now, by doing their own research, have decided it probably wasn't a good move. That's real intelligence- the ability to still analyze risk/reward objectively after you've already exposed yourself to the risk.
Totally agree with Charlotte. I've got an older friend who got the two jabs and since then, has had open mind to keep up with the research/findings, even if suppressed by lamestream media. He has decided to not get any more shots.
It'll be interesting to see how many of them actually have the moral fiber to hold strong vs how many will roll up their sleeves again the minute they were inconvenienced, such as the ones who said they were "forced" because they "might want to travel again".
I had a coworker say this yesterday. She was getting her 10-year-old son vaxxed because she wanted to travel. Ugh.
Unfortunately this argument works well - particularly on the upper middle class who just loves to travel. The working classes don't have as much money to travel and are also more apt to say "this is BS, i'm not doing it."
John - and teenage kids that are pressured for sports
And the mandates for colleges. Many are refusing religious exemptions (including the entire state of CT, which quite miraculously banned religious exemptions for vaccines last summer...just coincidental I'm sure).
Wonder if the PC colleges will allow religious exemptions for muslims . Asking for a friend
Yep. Ridiculous. Unfortunately many students give in rather than transfer. In my state public universities don't have a mandate. https://www.thecollegefix.com/university-of-georgia-system-rejects-covid-vaccine-mandates-for-its-26-campuses/
Yep, very depressing. I know sports are important but your health and bodily integrity are more important.
My 19 year old son was able to get a religious exemption from his state university in Illinois. He wrestles- he believes that he and two other students on his team requested either a religious or medical exemption that were granted. At least for now. He believes that all other wrestlers have been vaxx'd. An athletic trainer told him that he believes the university will deny any religious exemptions next semester (said the AD was working on it). If you've ever looked at any wrestlers, you know that most (aside from some heavyweights) are in phenomenal shape (strength, cardio, etc) and are at very low risk. He cannot do another year online though should they ban him from in-person classes-way too isolating and he just does not get much out of it.
That's when I gently remind them, that under the NWO, plebs' travel credits will be severely restricted, and subject to good behaviour. Just one "Let's go Brandon" meme could potentially wipe out their travel for two years.
Good grief. Can she not spare a single thought about her son? What is one more trip? What is so terribly important to go see that you feel it necessary to inject your flesh and blood with something we have no idea how it will affect them in the short, medium or long term?
Scott Adams had an interesting podcast a few weeks ago about why most of the insistence on travelling is coming from women. Basically, status signaling to other women.
She's a single mother too. <face palm>
I suspect that many who took the first full dose, presumably out of trust, now do feel let down, as just noted, because of the far less than promised efficacy of the jab. No need to mention the steadily mounting reports of dire side effects, albeit they are largely swept under the rug. But I hazard that many of these who previously had faith in the system will be pissed off royally when they are required to take boosters or be newly labelled "unvaxxed." I don't know, but I'd bet this is already the case in some nations, and surely coming to an authoritarian country near you. This won't immediately increase "freedom," but it WILL awaken more to the unending lies and dirty tricks of the vaxx-pushers.
I'm feeling positive because I'm gradually enlightening my brother. He's reading things I send him now, and has just admitted that allowing natural herd immunity rather than a rush to unproven "vaccines" might have been a better approach. This is a gigantic admission for him! At least he's not automatically dismissing everything I say as he was before. He, his wife and his daughter & her husband all got vaxxed like the good little lefties they all are, but suddenly they seem determined to to keep the 6 year old grandkids away from the vax. At least they now see that particular danger, so I consider this progress.
Stories like this give me hope.
I just found out today that a distant cousin of mine told his wonderful parents he would not permit them to see their grandkids if they didn’t get vaccinated. So they did. They didn’t want to buy they love their grandkids.
I have heard of so many young parents that did that - weaponize their kids against their elderly parents. Personally I believe there is a level in hell reserved for them. I don’t know how people like that come back from what they have done.
Especially when the government at first said "this is 95% effective!" and now they're like, "lol, sorry, they don't work very well so you have to get a shot every six months."
I have tough about the following situation:
- the vaccine failure is obvious. They do not work and the adverse events are a lot.
- they decide to stop tha campaign (it is hypothetical, will not happen).
- I think that some people will still say that the unvaxxed should get the jab: “we took the risk for them, it is not fair that they are healthier than us”.
Sounds crazy, but I see it
I see it too-but by force. :(
There would be no other way
I see it too. Talk to the vax fanatics. It's scary just how irrational, certain, violent and wrong they are.
Thanks. I'm one that got the jab (Pfizer) but wouldn't do it again if I had the decision to make today.
I listened to that Rogan episode. I think there's something to what he says. But, I don't share the inherent optimism in the substack thread to which these comments are appended. I run a large company. We're required to ask the vaccination status of all of our thousands of employees. (Their response can be 'Decline to state.')
While there is still a significant minority in the unvaccinated or decline to state category, that number dwindles every day. Our customers have put great pressure on our business and our employees to get vaccinated. At present, they require that our employees consent to disclosing their vaccination status in order to be assigned to the clients' premises. Soon, they will require testing: Weekly for the vaccinated; daily for the unvaxxed or decline to state.
As a business and employer, we have limited ability to push back. We did this with a mid-sized client about six months ago -- threatened to terminate their contract and they backed off their requirement that everyone assigned to their facility must be vaccinated. It was a gamble. If it had come to contract termination, then about 70 people would have been out of work. But now, the customers imposing these requirements are much larger. Resistance could mean thousands out of work. I'm sure many here would advise to stand firm and draw a line. But, is that fair to the vaxxed? Is that fair to the unvaxxed who would rather keep their job even if it means daily testing? No easy answers and, as yet, I do not see light at the end of the tunnel.
I'm not certain about this, but I suspect in coming years there will be a land-office business in lawsuits against employers and other entities that mandated the jabs. Perhaps there is other law they can hide behind, but I'm quite sure the PREP Act of 2005 (that gives much of the emergency immunity) doesn't apply. Where are the lawyers? Where are the suits? We know they're a bunch of unprincipled scum only interested in money...but that's just the point! 🤑
Yeah, I thought of that. That was the first gambit six months ago when the company I mentioned in the original comment demanded that we assign only the vaccinated to their account. Our initial position: 'Indemnify us and we'll do it.' They wouldn't budge, so the next gambit was to threaten to terminate the contract.
Wait until the first employee charges whoever wrote them the termination letter with assault. Yes, a criminal charge brought forth and prosecuted. I too was surprised at the scope of the charge, not being in the justice business. I would be worried if I was an employer intimidating workers.
The parallels between this and Gen X-ers that bought minivans is stunning. Instead of just admitting their mistake, they try and convince all their friends to buy one too.
I have 2 minivans and would buy them again over the Minivan wannabe SUV any day.
Got the "booster" did ya
LOL, that minivan thing had me snort my coffee earlier.
I love my minivan. It has the room of an SUV but drives like a car. It may not be cool, but it gets the job done. And, no, I haven't gotten the jabs...but many of my SUV driving relatives have. You might want to rethink your theory.
hear hear.. i love my minivan too, it's great for hauling schtuff like camp gear, snowboard gear, and lots of people. And I also am gen x and did not get the jab. chubox is in left field on this one IMO
I'm an old millennial, just got a minivan, it's a game changer with small kids. My preschooler can climb in by herself! sliding doors! There's a reason our church (average 4 kids per young family) parking lot is full of them
no forced injection here either.
What's wrong with the minivans?
That's a fair question from someone in Europe. The minivan is more an example of a car that is quite practical, but decidedly uncool/not attractive. If you have confidence, you drive whatever you want/need, but there was a trend where the minivan was supposed to be the very best for everyone, but it clearly isn't. It's just indicative of how trends aren't real purveyors of taste or good decisions.
my pacifica hybrid is sexy.
I'm diggin your attitude!
I remember exactly where I was when it really and truly dawned on me that, "I'm now a minivan owner." Driving down Pembroke Street in Pembroke, New Hampshire, taking my kids to school.
🤣
It was a pandemic of hubris. Those showing wisdom waited, those showing humility got the shot and then realised it wasn't necessarily the best move. Those that are stepping up for the boosters are either fanatics or without critical thought. To be fair, for those that are just acting, without thinking, society has set it up to be that way, so calling them sheep or idiots is particularly unfair.
It's the fanatics that I worry about. They are the ones that will burn their house down, rather than admit they were perhaps wrong.
But sadly, at least in my experience, that is incredibly rare. I think back to WMDs and how people reacted to their nonexistence
What I wanted to know back then was what Iraq had to do with Al Qaeda other than both having a "q" in their name? Everyone told me to shut up back then...back when I warned that in 20 years, they would want to bring the "war on terror" home...and here we are.
Dr Rogan is just furthering the virus/vaccine V² myth. He's not helping the white hats.
The reason for some being most impressed by people who changed their mind after vaccination is the very act of revision. It’s incredibly hard to do, mentally. There’s a huge social price, as well.
Sure, it’s arguable that the smartest on some dimension realised it was a scam early on.
But I understand the argument (I think) if the judgement was how hard it is to switch horses midstream.
By the way, I would like us to be generous of spirit to the view changers, because they’re the ultimate counterweight which will cause this house of cards to collapse.
Against my better judgement I got the Janssen vaccine at the end of August. I live in France where the passe sanitaire has made life for the unvaccinated much more difficult and I had to go into hospital for a hip replacement operation. Astra Zeneca had already been discontinued here and I hoped the Janssen would be less toxic than the mRNA pair. Also it was only one jab .6 weeks later I got a letter from the health authorities basically saying the Janssen was duff and I needed to roll up my sleeve for a Pfizer booster asap. I am desperately hoping that maybe the Janssen vaccine was also duff in the matter of long term side effects too! I had no immediate side effects not even a sore arm but since have had a worrying increase in my platelet count. Needless to say I will not be getting a booster and as a result will lose my passe sanitaire in mid Dec. Pfizer is now the only vaccine being offered here in France. No doubt they are contributing bigtime to Jupiter's reelection campaign
I too had waited for the Johnson vaxx but noticed it had the same ingredient I am not comfy with, so refused. Now I am clean and hope to stay so. I hope you stay well. Keep away from these needles !
I have tried to remember when I started to doubt. I remember that at the very beginning I was eager for a vaccine. I guess that the combination of the new untested technology and the super quick tests made me start thinking.
I was never eager for a vaccine personally as I had covid very early on, but I was eager for others to get it if they felt they needed it. I didn't really start doubting the whole vaccine narrative until it started to become a condition for participation in society, which was well before the rollout and only got worse. And when the CDC came out and said natural immunity was inferior, well the bomb finally burst. Trust in anyone other than myself is shot.
And it will build a bridge where mainstream tried to divide us. Welcome on board of the rescue ship lol
Agreed.
Blindly doing something and then realizing that you’ve been fucked - not that impressive.
Wait, you mean rushing out to get injected with an irreversible liability-free pharmaceutical product without long-term safety studies was dumb?
Yes, of course! With a new technology that has never worked, for a kind of virus for which no vaccine exists (coronavirus) and developed in months for a virus that is new!!! If you have doubts you must be stupid!
They cleverly used scarcity to manipulate people into lining up for the shots.
beanie babies
Ding ding ding! But when my recently recovered sister in law received a vaccine because she was in health care before my older at risk in laws, I knew that was a sham.
Certain people were falling all over themselves to be the first to get the vaccines, no questions asked.
it isnt just realizing it. it is owning up to it. It is incredibly rare
However, quite human .
More so than NOT realizing.... 🤨
Well, yes. Tallest midget... =]
The whole vaccine charade just never passed the sniff test for me. The magic vax came out way too quickly and with a bit too much fanfare, the whole thing didn't smell right from the beginning. The more I watched, the more I read about it, the worse it smelled, and now it's all rotting and rancid. Admittedly I'm a naturally suspicious person and don't easily buy into things just because some "authority" tells me to do so. After all, my teen years were in the 1960s....never trust anyone over 30 and all that. But natural skepticism has always served me well in the end.
Always trust your gut-it's almost never wrong.
The animal in us remembers
Remember how they waited EXACTLY until after the US election to announce the shots? I member.
I could not have worded that better. Totally agree
I have seen so many times: “I will not get a jab developed in some months, yet I am in line waiting for it”. That I expect the same with the boosters.
I work from home. (because I refuse to get jabbed.) Ergo, I don't have any water cooler conversations with coworkers anymore and can't dissuade them from getting the jab or at least give another point of view. I suspect the same is true in many other workplaces and hence many vax enthusiasts never encounter a different point of view.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/jimmy-dore-brook-jackson-pfizer-covid-vaccine-trial/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=9af91342-ba6f-4b7f-a91e-ee98a6c8b48a
And how do I know that you are not on the pro vax pro liberal side and just trying to stir up division and hatred between "us and them"? Do you see my difficulty here?
Agreed but if we're going to survive this, we need to invite those in who didn't see it the first time around but are now big enough to admit they were wrong.
Yep. The most important demographic is actually the one that was fooled the first time, got the jab, and are now like: WTF? This doesn't work any better than a flu shot?
You don't even have to convince them that the shot may be dangerous. Just talk to them about how the government is incompetent / lied to them about the shot being 95% effective but now they're supposed to get a booster every 6 months. Many (most) of them are probably super pissed by now that the government wants them to get an ineffective jab every 6 months.
There's a book right in there. How many of them even as they quote the figure know what '95% effective' is supposed to mean?
How many of them realise they're already at 95% 'proof' against the virus?
How many of them know Pfizer (for instance) offered (it claimed) 99.96% 'proof' against the virus as against your existing 99.86% 'proof'?
i.e. they're lining up for a 0.1% increase in their 'safety', their 'proof against the virus', the 'size of their shield'.
How many of them have even the faintest idea of that?
How many of them have the faintest idea of the cost they themselves, their nation, their compatriots, the very democracy they're supposed to live in and the people all around the world effected by their actions have paid for this '0.1%' increase in the size of their 'shields'?
The faintest idea?
And part of the cost was to take into their bodies a risk factor of its own with potentialities as yet unknown - how many have the faintest idea of that?
Lastly:
My idea nowadays is we should refuse to talk 'vaccine'. The real factor here is 'Immune system'. we should always couch the debate in terms of the 'immune system'.
i.e. 'why provoke the immune system with an unknown quantity that poorly imitates the real threat and therefore cannot initiate a full response?
or 'why refuse to allow the immune system the things it needs to strengthen itself? Like sunshine, fresh air, freedom of movement, exercise, company of friends and relatives, etc. etc, etc... ALL the things the govt bans ?
or: 'why refuse to help the immune system by providing potent anti-virals, chemicals that actually DO fight viruses rather than surreptitiously
attack your system while depending upon your system to do the fighting alone ?'
or: 'why keep prodding and prodding an exhausted immune system obviously incapable of responding adequately and probably due to an inappropriate prodding in the first place accompanied by a total lack of support in the second place?'
That sort of thing. It really is the issue, is it not? Our immune systems is where the 'war' takes place. That is where/what it is all about.
We are so hoodwinked, along with everyone else, by the spurious narrative of brain dead politicians and mercenary drug lords we've fallen into the trap of discussing vaccines.
I've put it this way. It is like the fire bell at the fire station that startles the firemen into action and the Firemen themselves, the Fire brigade.
The firebell is the vaccines. The Firebrigade is the Immune system.
All the discussion and wasted effort is going into the bloody Firebell, the 'alarm bell'.
No discussion, no help, no effort, no understanding going to the Firebrigade.
Yes, I agree about shifting the focus from the jabs to the immune system. Especially now that winter is here in the Northern Hemisphere. I just got the first newsletter from Dr. Robert Malone's website and he was pushing Vit D at the end of it. Yes! Go sign up for it if you've not already. Steve Kirsch published "The Malone Doctrine" on his Substack, but it was in this email from Malone as well.
It includes a lot of important people, including Dr. Robert Malone And Steve Kirsch.
Well, we also know that experience, knowledge, and facts, are overruled by POWER.
And people wonder why we refuse to get jabbed? That we are making sacrifices, loss of jobs, loss of foreign travel, loss of privileges in our own country? We now live as sub-human citizens in our own country because we are not mindless sheep believing that all government is good and never to be questioned.
We are criminals, yet have committed no crime.
Modern society doesn’t want critical thinkers, they want compliant obedient sheeple.
Yes! That surprises me the most. Very intelligent people waiting in line for a vaccine for a diseases that poses almost no risk to them… And bringing their kids!
In Carthage they also brought their kids to be sacrificed to Moloch.
They are believers. We simply have no name yet for their faith.
I don't wanna be that person, but Laura Ingraham has been giving airtime on national tv to Malone, Kirsch, Jay Bhattacharya, Byram Bridle, Peter McCullough, Harvey Risch, Pierre Kory and Sucharit Bhakdi (on podcast) since early 2020. She was also a very early mention of Hydroxychloroquine and, later, Ivermectin.
Yes....the goal here should be making the truth and actual knowledge available to those who have been misled, lied to and brainwashed by the mainstream media and others involved in this whole thing.
80s song suggestion: Depeche Mode "Wrong"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UB2uD-tA
I have no good solutions to government missteps, but I have an easy "West Virginia" (workaround) solution to editing. Select and copy the entire message you want to edit. Then delete it. (If you're paranoid, you can paste it into a word processor window for safekeeping.) Then just "reply" to the message you previously replied to, paste your text into the new window, and edit whatever it was you f****d up the first time. 😉
There **is** an edit feature: Read your words before you hit post!
It's shocking to me that people put up blanket excuses for the autocorrect weirdisms that show up in their mobile writings, rather than review what they've written first.
Oar thay kould jest puht n edit feature four an komments sextion wear mhost humanz beans our moor intrested inn kommenting end dizcussions then inn submittingz n essay too bee graided bye an teacherz.
Mos51, you are way too clever. and David 1260, I appreciate you also. xoxox minds at work....I love it.
If I may kindly point out, I often times wish there was an edit feature too, as I DO read my words before hitting post, oftentimes two, three, four times!!...and I'll STILL make a boo boo, or wish I would have phrased something differently.
When sharing in the online universe, where the personal details behind each post are for the most part unknown, great and kind consideration should be given to all, especially before passing judgement and calling someone out. You never know if the person being called out might have sayyy... a disability of some sort for example.
Guess what I'm saying is, my experience in the 'Substack' communities thus far has pleasantly been being part of a group fULL of positive and wonderfully kind individuals, just wanting to help and learn from one another, and feel united, while the rest of the world is being overtaken by evil tyranny... a complEtely different environment than Twitter, Facebook, etc...
These communities are by far 'my safe place' in this horrific mess we're all living through.
Love & Hugs to All : )
Here's a pre-covid article on the mRNA technology.
https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-biotech-mrna/
Some quotes showing that this technology isn't safe for ongoing dosing:
Delivery — actually getting RNA into cells — has long bedeviled the whole field. On their own, RNA molecules have a hard time reaching their targets.They work better if they’re wrapped up in a delivery mechanism, such as nanoparticles made of lipids. But those nanoparticles can lead to dangerous side effects, especially if a patient has to take repeated doses over months or years.
Moderna’s most advanced competitors, CureVac and BioNTech, have acknowledged the same challenge with mRNA. Each is principally focused on vaccines for infectious disease and cancer, which the companies believe can be attacked with just a few doses of mRNA.
“I would say that mRNA is better suited for diseases where treatment for short duration is sufficiently curative, so the toxicities caused by delivery materials are less likely to occur,” said Katalin Karikó, a pioneer in the field who serves as a vice president at BioNTech.
Wow, that is an eye-opener. Thanks for posting the link.
Fab find, great read tyvm for sharing this!
No one ever points out that these vaxx cards have spots for 10 vaccines. Shouldn’t that tell us something?
Be ungovernable
bingo.
Had a thought this morning. How's this for a plot twist?
What if this was all conjured up not by evil totalitarians, but by an evil libertarian mastermind. He's convinced all the mindless leftists in the world to jab themselves with poison, leaving only the John Galts. He forced every government employee and every radical left wing governor as well.
yeah, there's a fun novel in there somewhere.
"only by goading the authoritarians into showing their true colors could the libertarians awaken the middle to the danger it was in"
alas, the libertarian part is to libertarianism as a soap box derby car is to a formula one.
if that had 10% of the fortitude and principle to run a plot like that, we would not need a plot like that.
sigh.
You guys all need to start reading coffee & covid!! This attorney (with help from supporters like US!!) is making a difference!!
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/-coffee-and-covid-saturday-november-4af
Thank you for this! This is an information-packed substack, I had never heard of it before. He'll be part of my daily reading from now on.
Outstanding. The October post on what to do with your employer is gold!
Thanks for the tip/link!
Aren't attorneys all in the club? The club we ain't in (quoting George Carlin)... all working against us... some pretending to fight for us but in the end, nothing ever changes? We are now 606 days into this B.S. with no end in sight.
That is a decidedly defeatist view. Here's a change that some attorneys have actually fought for, and so far it's looking pretty good:
The Fifth Circuit in Texas reviewed the Biden Reply brief and entered a FULL INJUNCTION against the illegal and unconstitutional OSHA Mandate, saying the agency may “take no steps to implement or enforce the Mandate until further court order.”
First, the Court noted the obvious fact that “For obvious reasons, the Mandate affects every person in America in one way or another.”
Then, it explained how horrible and devastating the OSHA policy is:
“The Mandate imposes a financial burden upon [businesses] by deputizing their participation in OSHA’s regulatory scheme, exposes them to severe financial risk if they refuse or fail to comply, and threatens to decimate their workforces (and business prospects) by forcing unwilling employees to take their shots, take their tests, or hit the road.”
Then, the Fifth Circuit said OSHA had no business getting involved in people’s personal health decisions:
“[OSHA] was not—and likely COULD not be, under the Commerce Clause and nondelegation doctrine—intended to authorize a workplace safety administration in the deep recesses of the federal bureaucracy to make sweeping pronouncements on matters of public health affecting every member of society in the profoundest of ways.“
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/-coffee-and-covid-saturday-november-4af
Barbls - very patient of you with Markus. I can't believe he writes his own newsletter but couldn't even be bothered to check out coffee and covid before being rude about some actual positive results.
The 4th Circuit injunction is a positive sign. However, it only applies in their district. How it proceeds from here will be interesting to watch. As I understand the law, the OSHA "regulation" still applies to the rest of the nation. But I do agree, and hope, that this is but one of many legal challenges to the Biden Regency's illegal arrogation of power.
Are you talking about the 4th Circuit? Or 5th Circuit? I find it curious that the federal Circuit injunction would only apply to their district. It seems that circuit court injunctions against actions of the previous administration applied everywhere across the nation.
Obviously the current administration will fight this. Hope they exhaust themselves before they exhaust the rest of us.
Not all of us. I think my invitation to "The Club" must have been lost in the mail or something. :)
Not all of them. The profession, by nature, attracts more than its share of Little Eichmanns. But that makes it all the more important to recognize and support those who aren't.
You're totally wrong Markus. Lazy of you to comment without first reading the link of our victories.
Praying that you are correct, you bad, wise cat. In any case, I thought that the meme of Stalin doing the cute heart thingy with his hands should be the new logo for the White House.
I'm fully vaccinated. Because COVID jabs aren't vaccines.
I still don't know what "fully vaccinated" means. Fully vaccinated according to the current CDC schedule? You got your Cutter polio and 1976 swine flu vaccine? You sure?
I ask many that I know that gave in willingly how many shots they are willing to take. I don’t generally get an answer. They all figured do it once for the team then move on with life. We won’t take any in our house and I’m willing to lose my job for it if need be. Of course, we also had the plague. I have a strange health history that makes me very concerned about taking it. The infection part of covid wasn’t horrible to me. I don’t need any more spikes, thanks. None of the public realizes all of the people that were excluded from the very short trial. I’m one of them: survivor with multiple morbidities. If you didn’t trial it on people like me, I see no sense in taking it. Oh, and where is that US seroprevalence survey? None? No effort to do one? Why not? I’m also having a hard time keeping up with the CDC propaganda. Does anybody have a link to that time in the past before mandates when they said that survivors only needed one shot (not that that conclusion was science based)? I can’t find that page anymore and I know that it existed and was changed when the mandates started in September.
My parents are late 80s. They and their friends all took the first shots. They aren’t taking anymore. Try telling somebody that age that those first shots didn’t do the job and that they need more. Doesn’t work so well.
Here is a link to the US states and the rate of projected natural immunity (from early September). I've been using it to get a better idea of which states will be hit hardest (high vaccination, low natural immunity). On another substack page, Eugyppius was guesstimating that Germany is only at 29% natural immunity. Looks like a rough winter for them.
https://twitter.com/Humble_Analysis/status/1434690815075311620
Charlotte - thank you! My family literally is convalescing from covid right now in Washington state.
It's ripping through our county. First time since all this started that I actually know many many people that have recently had it.
CDC makes recommendations without data to support them - and that is starting to come to light in pretty tangible ways.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/12/cdc-admits-it-has-no-evidence-of-recovered-covid-patients-spreading-the-virus/
The CDC has admitted it has no record of an unvaccinated person spreading COVID after having previously recovered from the virus. A New York attorney filed a FOIA request in September asking for “documents reflecting any documented case of an individual who (1) never received a Covid-19 vaccine; (2) was infected with Covid-19 once, recovered, and then later became infected again; and (3) transmitted SARS CoV-2 to another person when reinfected.”
The CDC responded: “A search of our records failed to reveal any documents pertaining to your request. The CDC Emergency Operation Center (EOC) conveyed that this information is not collected.”
Thanks. Utah’s about in the middle, sadly
After half a dozen mass extinction events then one more came along, this time decimating intelligence, not life.
And as in every mass extinction it will be up to a tiny minority, as mammals after dinossaurs, to repopulate the planet, this time around with intelligence.
Keep calm, time and felines are on our side.
I have to admit that I took the jab naively believing that things then could go back to normal and I would be able to travel. I did research at the time, but not a lot was coming out about the negative effects of the jab (at least readily available) I regret taking it. Thankfully, nothing bad so far has happened to me and I will not under any circumstances take a “booster”! Many people feel the same. I’ve stocked up on Ivermectin and HCQ and I’m ready for the China Virus when it hits me...as it is bound to do...I hope el gato malo is right and most people will see through the fact that we’ve been completely fooled by the elites!
Stay strong!
Keep your vitamin D levels up, and stay healthy this winter, Paula!
Paula, you are not alone. Many of my well educated Healthcare Professional friends did the same. They heard the "safe and effective" narrative and just wanted to get back to their normal lives! Totally understandable. I am glad you haven't had any quantifiable AE yet. thank you for being honest enough to share with this group, but you have a powerful voice to share with others who are all-in for the boosters. You can have a positive impact in helping them understand the danger of endlessly taking the shots, in a profound way that those who aren't vaxxed could not. (sorry, that sentence just sounds wrong, but I hope you get my meaning). Best of health to you in future.
Come on this side of the lie ! Glad you saw through it. Hope you stay healthy.
>>>it’s also all about to come crashing down.
Cool!
How, exactly? Because I feel like we keep saying that every time they double down, and then say it the following week when they double down on that one.
So, what does "crashing down" look like, and how does it differ from what's happening now?
it's already starting to happen.
people are rebelling, belief is gone, non compliance is rising, states are asserting sovereignty, and people are facing down governments, schools, and employers.
this whole shame has gotten to big too hide and to intolerable to live with.
watch what happens when hospitals fail because 20% of the staff was fired and businesses grind to a halt because the workers won't come in. watch as police and fire departments go short staffed.
it happens because we go make it happen and because enough people can see it for what it is now.
black pill whining never won anyone anything.
it baffles me how committed to it so many seem to be.
how do you know those failures are not part of the plan?
I agree, this is all because of the unvaxxed, they destroyed society!!
We r screwed, either way.
You lost?
Go about a third of the way down: https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/-coffee-and-covid-saturday-november-4af The section starts with The Fifth Circuit in Texas reviewed the Biden Reply brief and entered a FULL INJUNCTION against the illegal and unconstitutional OSHA Mandate, saying the agency may “take no steps to implement or enforce the Mandate until further court order.”
Thank you for this! FYI, you can read the court's decision in its entirety here:
https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/21/21-60845-CV0.pdf
The court says that the mandate is "fatally flawed" and likely unconstitutional. Never say never until the Supreme Court has had its say but this is indeed a good sign! And the January 4th deadline is a dead letter because "OSHA [may] take no steps to implement or enforce the Mandate until further court order".
Thank you!
Yep and that felt so good to read that. Then I thought and if they don’t stop what does? They are on a mission.
We gotta stay on a mission. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Barbls- I sent this c&c to several friends. So encouraging!
Excellent. And here's another source of the information. Not as entertaining, but validation. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/nov/13/federal-court-declines-to-lift-stay-on-vaccine-man/
Any idea how if at all this will influence the CMS rule on madates?
I have the same question. That one is a biggie. Here is what the Covid and Coffee post says, and in it is included mention of CDC. --
Then, the Fifth Circuit said OSHA had no business getting involved in people’s personal health decisions:
“[OSHA] was not—and likely COULD not be, under the Commerce Clause and nondelegation doctrine—intended to authorize a workplace safety administration in the deep recesses of the federal bureaucracy to make sweeping pronouncements on matters of public health affecting every member of society in the profoundest of ways.“
The Court’s reference to the non-delegation doctrine is huge. That’s the Supreme Court law that says Congress can’t just delegate its lawmaking powers to executive agencies like OSHA or even the CDC, for that matter. I’ve been talking about that doctrine here on C&C for a long time. So the Fifth Circuit is saying, this is WAY too big for an executive agency to just regurgitate a slime-coated rule and that’s that.
...and coming up next to perpetually whet your irrational fear... Climate Crisis. Be afraid. Very afraid............ (of the solution)
Just like we need to “follow the $cience” I think we need to examine the “Climate Cri$i$” Note there are even more dollar signs in the latter…..🙄 (sarcasm font)
Rob - don't worry that is being handled by scientists. We'll just follow them.
🤣🤣
Be afraid, Always! “Fear is the mind killer.” ~Dune
We need an el gato malo substack for climate change.
Check wattsupwiththat.com. They've been around for years, presenting the REAL "inconvenient truths".
I agree!
Your advice doesn’t seem to be working in Europe. They seem to be all in with scapegoating the “unvaxxed”
but is anyone believing it anymore?
it seems like they have crossed a tipping point where each new lie makes them look less and less credible.
the issue is that "march on sunday then go to work on monday" does not change anything.
they shut the world down to gain our compliance.
it's time we shut the world down to gain theirs.
I've known it was a lie from Day 1, 20 months ago. People dismissed my view "b/c you (I) think you're smarter than the guys on TV" and "you (I) don't have an MD."
I heard that many times. SMH.
I'm way smarter than any anchorman. And I know a lot of non-medical science.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/the-vaxx-is-a-state-sponsored-religion
In Spain most of the people still believes I guess. The fall-winter wave is just starting, let us see what happens but people in the media blame the few unvaccinated. But if this winter is worse than the previous one with the super-high rates of vaccination and people still believe, I do not know, I will start thinking that the vaccine stops your brain or something
Shame. I'm from Galicia and always thought of it as my run away destination. No more. I believe our only hope to stop this madness is in the U.S. The pawns will follow.
I agree. Now I see the risks of the state public health system. Americans are not as stupid as the people in Europe think.
Kind thoughts. I hope you are correct.
Whatever the State gives you, the State will be willing to take away from you. Including your right to earn a living and free mobility. Be well, my friends. Stay strong.
Chin scritches for you for giving me hope.
A lot of people still believe it and I doubt they’ll suddenly start disbelieving any of it.
i suspect the number there look elevated because so many of them work in media and the the slant being imposed is enormous.
but it's a potempkin village.
very few really live there
All depends on where you are and who you associate with. In my community i see less than 1 in 20 questioning the narrative
You’re just wrong. I wish you were right. I’m from Latvia where >65% have got their first shot and half the country is fully doped up.
You’re in an echo chamber just as they are.
Most people follow authority not facts, reason or data. They outsource their responsibility.
Most people walk around with their umbilical cords in their hands looking for where to plug them in.
I read about Latvia not letting unvaccinated legislators partake in votes, I have a question- what's the level of informality in the country? Are black markets a thing? Because I've been thinking for the longest time that my country hasn't slippery sloped into this madness so far because our economy is 80% informal, which means the Government cannot control that. At the moment, they can't even issue new IDs for those that expired in 2020.
What country are you from?
I would not say that black markets are a big thing. You have always had a chance to buy cheap spirits or cheap, super low-quality cigarettes.
I would say that the level of informality is super, super low in Latvia. They're even cracking down on giving bribes to cops on the road for speeding. I've given bribes a bunch of times, but I'd probably not risk it anymore.
Because the reasons they believed it in the first place have nothing to do with reason, facts or data.
Authority matters to these people. So, whatever it says is reason, fact and data.
But when they know dozens of people, including kids, injured and dead? At some point doesn't that wake you up?
You’d sure hope it does.
But don’t hold your breath.
Think about all the lefties. Their policies fail again and again. Yet, they remain adamant.
Think of the people who go on voting, even though it’s all rotten.
These people will just forget about whatever that needs to be forgotten to hold on to their illusions about their “reality” where someone is taking care of them. They walk around with their umbilical cords looking for where to plug them in.
You think that people are rational beings, but they’re not.
More importantly, we need to shut down THEIR world.
But they painted themselves into a corner with the logic. If it's the pandemic of the unvaxxed, how can they push boosters if the vax works...I'm figuring they will go into lockdown again soon. It's the only thing they know how to do well, Germany especially. January will be their worst month. The Netherlands already has protests because they did a partial lockdown again. The lockdowns are stopping natural immunity from progressing and prolonging the "pandemic".
Logic does not matter. The people who blindly follow these edicts do not think for themselves. I’m not being mean. They value authority. They outsource their thinking to authority.
Logic, facts or data does not solve this.
I do not know what does. It’s been like this forever, only now you see it right in front of you.
Only repeated deaths on the court/field/pitch will convince. And only if the death happens quickly after a booster shot. (At first, any such on-field deaths will be blamed on covid and will become an excuse to "GET MORE BOOSTERS!!!!")
That has been one of my favorite (and logical argument) memes: "Why do they need to vaccinate the unvaccinated to protect the previously vaccinated against the virus that the vaccines are supposed to protect against?" I like the analogy about you risk getting wet if I don't use my own umbrella. 😜
Keep jabbing the footballers. When enough of them keel over and clubs can't field a team, then normies will wake up.
Once a prominent NBA players dies during a game, maybe the whole league will refuse to play anymore.
I actually do agree with your analysis- it will take multiple famous people before the lemmings stop flinging their bodies with great force off of the cliff tops. Just remember how many people watched the Kardashians and thought that was cool.
I expect -- not happily -- that we will soon get more and more instances of famous people with odd, severe health problems. These may not be sudden deaths, of course. From some articles here and similar places, I'd guess the incidence of deaths or severe illness from the jabs is probably in the 1 in 10,000 range. Whether this is "very rare," as governments explain it away, I would dispute, but it's certainly much worse than traditional vaccine's literally one in a million toxic reactions. Anyway, my point would be that while 1:10,000 is quite rare, there is a bigger universe of famous people than you'd at first think. Consider athletes alone: The NFL has about 1,600 players. The NBA 450. But there are many more pro and minor league teams too. College ball will add thousands more. And that doesn't even include local but unfamous players down to high school teams. If exertion is a risk factor, alas, the casualties will mount, and the media will be hard-pressed to hide it. Now add to that the other famous people.
Like Celine Dion? Not my cup of tea, and she's been pretty wacky for a number of years, but she's had to postpone/cancel her tour......for mysterious reasons.....
https://shopmaskless.com/news/index.php/2021/10/20/celine-dion-forced-to-delay-las-vegas-return-due-to-severe-and-persistent-muscle-spasms-from-vaccine/
While initial data suppression will be easier, effectiveness impacts will be harder to conceal in the armed forces.
I think the fight will be harder and longer than we anticipate, but we cannot lose hope.
I recommend this article by eugyppius. Turns out, boosters are a hard sell when you keep claiming a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Too many people seem incapable of rational thinking...but every failure, every change of narrative will shake the sleepers from their slumber. We keep fighting, informing. We have no other choice.
https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/christian-drosten-actually-we-dont
My wife and 3 adult daughters have gotten the vax(one against her will so she could attend college). They’re all saying no to the booster. So there is hope people will have had enough. I think moving into a 3rd year of this ridiculousness will reinforce those sentiments…I hope.
It's all falling apart so fast now that the PR offices and talking heads on TV can't keep up. Consider the tragic tale of UC Berkeley's football program
https://www.kron4.com/health/coronavirus/44-members-of-cal-football-team-test-positive-for-covid-19/
44 Players test positive, games postponed, senior years ‘ruined’, what's this … 99% vaccinated? No that does not make sense … oh I see, the players weren't following “protocols”, that explains it. Not sure if any of the players were actually ill during this period.
Then you have countries the the Netherlands and Germany having a very fine start to their Winter epidemics, looks to be true record setting winters! (Merkel bleating about getting injected, cause that will help for sure …. btw, why is Merkel still Chancellor, didn't she announce her retirement ages ago?)
Then we have the 5th Circuit court stay of Brandon's mandate. The court seems to have noticed that this “emergency” is curious, since most people are handling their head colds just fine, and only people not working cause they are too old or terminally sick are vulnerable (as they are to all infections).
At this rate, there won't be much left of this mania by January, when everyone except the most ardent cultists (aka, academics) will see the program has failed and will be ready to move on (to the elections where team blue will get decimated).
I don't think the exit will be that quick. Look for lockdowns of the unvaccinated throughout Europe-Austria already declared it, France is very passport-driven, Germany loves lockdowns. I expect Newsom to do it here in Calif, work only, nothing else, for those of us who have not muddled our DNA.
Let’s hope you’re right! Billions of dollars are going into fight everything you just said.
While I'm not familiar with the details of the case, I think ("hope" is more accurate) that the 5th Circuit noted a core issue with the Biden and OSHA regulations: the government has absolutely no statutory authority to order private businesses to do such things.